Re: [Chevelle-List] No help
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List No, no pics. I worked for Fords for 10 years and then moved on to GM. I work at Willow Run Power Train. At one time we had the biggest press room east of the Mississippi. Rich - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No help > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > hi rich, yuo must have worked on the ass'y line?? > and pics inside the place, whay year(s) did you work there?? > maybe a pic of you putting together a 68 chevelle or something?? > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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the worst thing we can do in life is lose the ability ta learn.. so a BIG thumbs up ta you, Larry!! Rob Means"be good,if not,be good at it [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No help Dale: if I didn't learn something new today, I didn't do anything today. Larry Ps always room to learn. College student at 51.
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List hi rich, yuo must have worked on the ass'y line?? and pics inside the place, whay year(s) did you work there?? maybe a pic of you putting together a 68 chevelle or something?? - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kelly, so if you thought I spoke of younope. -- OK. the list's integritydon't see many people spouting off the wrong answers to things very much. -- I agree. Mike
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Dale: if I didn't learn something new today, I didn't do anything today. Larry Ps always room to learn. College student at 51.
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I guess I always assumed that fenders, door skins, quarters, etc were stamped and then jigged to whatever holes needed to be added could be. One of my first jobs was working in a plant that made the slats for aluminum awnings and aluminum siding. I remember them going through 8 to 20 rollers to form the pattern and then cut to length at the end - I guess individual parts are done the same way. I visited the Leeds plant in KC when I was in grade school and remember the cars being assembled from pieces but never saw the pieces being made. Learn something neat almost every day. Thanks, Dale -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard MilkiewiczSent: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:17 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No help Dale, the sheet metal is run from a huge coil of steel into a progressive die. Progressive die means that it is formed in stages as it moves along in the press to different dies forming the part a little at a time until the part is finished. If the assy' line has orders to build a plain Jane the punches are removed from the upper die and a run is made of 2 or 3 thousand door panels or fenders or quarters. Maybe more, as these dies are huge and some require all day to change and set up, so they need a big float. If they want to put trim holes in the panels they install the punches and make a run of these. The hole are repeated with accuracy each and every time. Now if the operator is hung over, mad at his wife/boss (same) or just doesn't care he can run some junk that will end up on your car. These are usually caught by the end quality guy who will pull the car off line and make repairs. Each part has a jig and gage to check quality. (form and fit) A lot of operators will check parts all the time and if the quality is consistent they will get lax and stop checking. This is where they get in trouble. Invariably, if it can go wrong,... well, you get the picture. Hope this helps some to explain how it's done. Of course this is the simple version. It's really quite involved. Rich
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Dale, the sheet metal is
run from a huge coil of steel into a progressive die. Progressive die means
that it is formed in stages as it moves along in the press to different dies
forming the part a little at a time until the part is finished. If the assy'
line has orders to build a plain Jane the punches are removed from the upper die
and a run is made of 2 or 3 thousand door panels or fenders or quarters. Maybe
more, as these dies are huge and some require all day to change and set up, so
they need a big float. If they want to put trim holes in the panels they install
the punches and make a run of these. The hole are repeated with accuracy each
and every time. Now if the operator is hung over, mad at his wife/boss
(same)
or just doesn't care he can run some
junk
that will end up on your car. These
are usually caught by the end quality guy who will pull the car off line and
make repairs. Each part has a jig and gage to check quality. (form and fit) A
lot of operators will check parts all the time and if the quality is consistent
they will get lax and stop checking. This is where they get in trouble.
Invariably, if it can go wrong,... well, you get the picture. Hope this helps
some to explain how it's done. Of course this is the simple version. It's really
quite involved.
Rich
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help
Does anyone know "when" the holes in fenders get
punched for different trim models? I would think it would surely be
before paint and final assembly. I would think a jig of some sort was
used so trim would be relatively in the same position from model to
model. Meaning, I'm in charge of this stack of front fenders and rear
quarters. Before they leave my station, I need to know if it's a 6-cyl,
small block or big block so I can punch the appropriate holes in the front
fenders and if it's an SS (using a 67 as an example), do I punch for the
front trim spear (Malibu type) or holes for the SS trim rocker panel
trim?
And, if I'm making $6-$8 an hour (a guess
for 1967) and am bored with my job, do I really care if it's "exactly"
the same for each car because in 35 years people are going to want to
know? Maybe it's like build sheets...I can stick it just about anywhere
I want mainly because I don't want to throw it on the floor and pick it up
later. If I thought they'd be that important, I'd put them in a glassine
envelope and tuck them neatly in the glove box.
Just thinking out loud here...
Dale
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Kelly,
I'm going to bite my tongue here a little bit,
since I gave Mark the one answer he received. Yeah, I went out in my
garage and took interior and exterior measurements to emblem mounting holes
and flats on the emblem letters. The accuracy of the measurements are in the
order of +/- 1/32". I don't have a Fisher Body Manual, so I don't know
how accurately Chevy held that emblem's position - that's if it's even shown
in the manual. I assume they used a template for the original build,
which I doubt anyone now has. Without that template, wouldn't any body
shop need to get the emblem positions off an existing car? I don't know of
any body shops around me (northern Virginia) that have expertise in
restoring Chevelles.
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I'm going to bite my tongue here a little bit, since I gave Mark the one answer he received. Yeah, I went out in my garage and took interior and exterior measurements to emblem mounting holes and flats on the emblem letters. The accuracy of the measurements are in the order of +/- 1/32". I don't have a Fisher Body Manual, so I don't know how accurately Chevy held that emblem's position - that's if it's even shown in the manual. I assume they used a template for the original build, which I doubt anyone now has. Without that template, wouldn't any body shop need to get the emblem positions off an existing car? I don't know of any body shops around me (northern Virginia) that have expertise in restoring Chevelles. Neither do Iyour measurement is probably more scientific than GM's. Most people are baffled by 32nds, but those who have a grasp can locate almost anything with very good accuracy. I wasn't aware that anyone had given him an answer either, so if you thought I spoke of younope. Since no "body shop expert or concours expert" answered the question, I guess none belong to this list. I don't know any and I've got to guess Mark doesn't either. Mark struck me as an intelligent guy who understood how the dimensions were obtained, and I trust he would make his own value judgement before using the info. I do that every time I read a technical answer on the list and I hope everyone else does. I don't expect to only get perfect (whole assed?) answers to every question, but I appreciate every response I receive and the effort that went into providing it. To me, it's important to try to help out the other guy because I expect the same from others on the list. I don't think that's expecting too much. I think it one of the basic purposes of a list like this. I meant no harm, just trying to get the point across that sometimes no answer can be better than one given from hearsayI put my emblems (not the correct ones, I hate tape stripes) where I wanted them without asking anyone where they would put them. I assumed he meant he wanted the exact place the factory put them. Not realizing there had been any answer at all, I was trying to make him feel better about the list's integritydon't see many people spouting off the wrong answers to things very much. Kelly C. Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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Does anyone know "when" the holes in fenders get punched for different trim models? I would think it would surely be before paint and final assembly. I would think a jig of some sort was used so trim would be relatively in the same position from model to model. Meaning, I'm in charge of this stack of front fenders and rear quarters. Before they leave my station, I need to know if it's a 6-cyl, small block or big block so I can punch the appropriate holes in the front fenders and if it's an SS (using a 67 as an example), do I punch for the front trim spear (Malibu type) or holes for the SS trim rocker panel trim? And, if I'm making $6-$8 an hour (a guess for 1967) and am bored with my job, do I really care if it's "exactly" the same for each car because in 35 years people are going to want to know? Maybe it's like build sheets...I can stick it just about anywhere I want mainly because I don't want to throw it on the floor and pick it up later. If I thought they'd be that important, I'd put them in a glassine envelope and tuck them neatly in the glove box. Just thinking out loud here... Dale -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of LXVIISSSent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:24 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No help Kelly, I'm going to bite my tongue here a little bit, since I gave Mark the one answer he received. Yeah, I went out in my garage and took interior and exterior measurements to emblem mounting holes and flats on the emblem letters. The accuracy of the measurements are in the order of +/- 1/32". I don't have a Fisher Body Manual, so I don't know how accurately Chevy held that emblem's position - that's if it's even shown in the manual. I assume they used a template for the original build, which I doubt anyone now has. Without that template, wouldn't any body shop need to get the emblem positions off an existing car? I don't know of any body shops around me (northern Virginia) that have expertise in restoring Chevelles.
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Kelly, I'm going to bite my tongue here a little bit, since I gave Mark the one answer he received. Yeah, I went out in my garage and took interior and exterior measurements to emblem mounting holes and flats on the emblem letters. The accuracy of the measurements are in the order of +/- 1/32". I don't have a Fisher Body Manual, so I don't know how accurately Chevy held that emblem's position - that's if it's even shown in the manual. I assume they used a template for the original build, which I doubt anyone now has. Without that template, wouldn't any body shop need to get the emblem positions off an existing car? I don't know of any body shops around me (northern Virginia) that have expertise in restoring Chevelles. Since no "body shop expert or concours expert" answered the question, I guess none belong to this list. I don't know any and I've got to guess Mark doesn't either. Mark struck me as an intelligent guy who understood how the dimensions were obtained, and I trust he would make his own value judgement before using the info. I do that every time I read a technical answer on the list and I hope everyone else does. I don't expect to only get perfect (whole assed?) answers to every question, but I appreciate every response I receive and the effort that went into providing it. To me, it's important to try to help out the other guy because I expect the same from others on the list. I don't think that's expecting too much. I think it one of the basic purposes of a list like this. Mike - Original Message - From: Kelly C. Hanna To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No help At 07:56 AM 01/24/2002, you wrote: I would like to know where this extra help was when I was looking for mounting locations for Super Sport emblems on a 67 Chevelle? I only received 2 replies and only one answer. To say the least I was a little disappointed. I am not saying I haven't learned or enjoyed being on the list just let down a little. With that said hopefully looking for better responses in the future. I'm sure there are very few people on the list who could actually answer that question and be 100% sure about the answer. That means no one was willing to give you a "half assed" answer like "it's four inches form the crease or two inches from the seam".Only a body shop expert or a concours expert could answer it the right way. I think that might have been expecting a little much. There are plenty of body shops that could answer that question by showing you on the car (the best way in my mind). Kelly C. Hannawww.hannawoodworks.com
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Mark, I remember the question a few weeks ago. My car was in the shop for an engine overhaul at the time and I couldn't help. I looked in all the parts books and manuals I had without success. I could have replied saying I was no help, but that wouldn't have been any help :*). If you're looking for a Concours restoration, Kelly's suggestion is best. Find a very good body shop or look at an original car. Mine has had both quarters replaced over the last 14 years. They were done at separate times so I could measure one against the other, but they still may be a bit off from original. If you haven't gotten a good answer I can run out to the garage right now, take a couple of pics and measurements and post them on my website if that'd help you. Feel free to email me offline so it doesn't tie up the list. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale McIntoshACES #1709/TC #92 Gold67 SS/67 Elkyhttp://www.dalesplace.comhttp://www.team67.comhttp://www.midwestchevelles.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:57 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] No helpI would like to know where this extra help was when I was looking for mounting locations for Super Sport emblems on a 67 Chevelle? I only received 2 replies and only one answer. To say the least I was a little disappointed. I am not saying I haven't learned or enjoyed being on the list just let down a little. With that said hopefully looking for better responses in the future. Mark Green ACES #4962 TC #1487 67 SS Chevelle
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Well put Dale Krister "396guy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: (bcc: Krister Meister/PBU/Nsk-Corp) velles.netSubject: [Chevelle-List] No help 01/23/2002 11:24 PM Please respond to chevelle-list Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List No offense but looking over the last couple of days, the only question I saw was about 68 Chevelle paint around 9:00pm Monday night. At least that's the date/time stamp on the copy I received. Maybe nobody has a 68 that's been on in the last couple of days. BTW, four of your responses were with the subject of Barrett-Jackson and one was of those was off subject talking about aluminum LS6's or LS7's - and I believe that was answered by a number of folks. I don't know how long you've been on the list but I know Clint has been here for quite a while off and on and has given some expert advise and qualified opinions. I've seen numerous replies to Tom and from Tom to things he probably knows about. Larry has also been a frequent contributor here both asking and answering questions. In less than 5 minutes you come back with your own thought to the question being asked about rear end ratios and not really an answer but an opinion. Remember, the thread started about what gear everybody was running. Are you running a 5:13 and plan on doing any highway driving? I know your response was probably in fun but didn't answer the question but quite a few hundred subscribers saw it, or will see it when they log back in. Sometimes it just takes a while for people to get to know you and respond quickly. Hang in there and don't get frustrated, OK? If anybody knows or has an educated guess, they'll be along to help. Now, anybody know if the lower body color on a 68 Chevelle wraps into the door jam and if so, how far? Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com http://www.team67.com http://www.midwestchevelles.com > > > i wish i were tom or larry or clint so i could get anwsers to my > questions > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 07:56 AM 01/24/2002, you wrote: I would like to know where this extra help was when I was looking for mounting locations for Super Sport emblems on a 67 Chevelle? I only received 2 replies and only one answer. To say the least I was a little disappointed. I am not saying I haven't learned or enjoyed being on the list just let down a little. With that said hopefully looking for better responses in the future. I'm sure there are very few people on the list who could actually answer that question and be 100% sure about the answer. That means no one was willing to give you a "half assed" answer like "it's four inches form the crease or two inches from the seam".Only a body shop expert or a concours expert could answer it the right way. I think that might have been expecting a little much. There are plenty of body shops that could answer that question by showing you on the car (the best way in my mind). Kelly C. Hanna www.hannawoodworks.com
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I would like to know where this extra help was when I was looking for mounting locations for Super Sport emblems on a 67 Chevelle? I only received 2 replies and only one answer. To say the least I was a little disappointed. I am not saying I haven't learned or enjoyed being on the list just let down a little. With that said hopefully looking for better responses in the future. Mark Green ACES #4962 TC #1487 67 SS Chevelle
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Welcome aboard! You will have fun here. nice bunch of guys. Larry
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List sorry, your'e right, i guess i just like you say got frustrated, yes the 5;13 was just in fun-- no offense- sorry!! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
