RE: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Not arguing that shock mount failure could happen, and maybe have even been the major contributing factor in your case. I did the same thing in 69 when returning from a stint in Korea. Jacked up the rear of my 67 and put L60x15's Indy Profile M/T's on it. Wheel hop like mad, scraped the sidewalls, etc. and even used shock extensions (remember those :-)?) but never broke a shock mount. Anything taken to extremes and not used for their intended purpose invites problems. I've run the same set on my current Chevelle for 15 years with no problems and with the wider late rear, I ran them at 60-70lbs to clear the sidewalls under normal conditions. Now that I have the narrower 67 rear, I run them in the 15-20lb range for normal driving and only increase the pressure when the trunk is full of traveling gear. Everybody has had a bad experience with something and the natural tendency is to write them off as evil or the worst thing ever made; be it air shocks, Ford trucks, or Bayer aspirin. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks > > > > > Air shocks were standard on my 67 Elky but not sure about other year > > Elkys. Someone removed them long ago but I have a set on > my 67 SS that > > I've had for quite a few years without problems. Some > people like 'em, > > some hate 'em. Some will even claim they break shock > mounts because > > they or someone they know had one break - so it must be > true for all air > > shocks, right? > > OK Dale, I'll bite on this one. I put air shocks on my 69 Chevelle in > 75. Had them pumped up to the max all the time to keep my N50's on 10 > deep dish Cragars from rubbing the fenders. Hey, I was 16 and it was > 1975. Broke both shock mounts about 6 months apart in 75. Dad made me > get 8 inch Cragars, 60 series tires, and standard shocks. It's now 03 > and not a single broken shock mount in 28 years. So in my > opinion, Air > shocks used incorrectly to lift a car, break shock mounts. > > Trooper > > > > > > I ran out of gas in a grey car one time so I'm hesitant > > to ever drive a gray car again. (doh!) > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Wouldnt boltin Coilover Shocks break the mounts also? Batsy 67 ElCamino - Original Message - From: "Trooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks > > > Air shocks were standard on my 67 Elky but not sure about other year > > Elkys. Someone removed them long ago but I have a set on my 67 SS that > > I've had for quite a few years without problems. Some people like 'em, > > some hate 'em. Some will even claim they break shock mounts because > > they or someone they know had one break - so it must be true for all air > > shocks, right? > > OK Dale, I'll bite on this one. I put air shocks on my 69 Chevelle in > 75. Had them pumped up to the max all the time to keep my N50's on 10 > deep dish Cragars from rubbing the fenders. Hey, I was 16 and it was > 1975. Broke both shock mounts about 6 months apart in 75. Dad made me > get 8 inch Cragars, 60 series tires, and standard shocks. It's now 03 > and not a single broken shock mount in 28 years. So in my opinion, Air > shocks used incorrectly to lift a car, break shock mounts. > > Trooper > > > > > > I ran out of gas in a grey car one time so I'm hesitant > > to ever drive a gray car again. (doh!) > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Air shocks were standard on my 67 Elky but not sure about other year Elkys. Someone removed them long ago but I have a set on my 67 SS that I've had for quite a few years without problems. Some people like 'em, some hate 'em. Some will even claim they break shock mounts because they or someone they know had one break - so it must be true for all air shocks, right? OK Dale, I'll bite on this one. I put air shocks on my 69 Chevelle in 75. Had them pumped up to the max all the time to keep my N50's on 10 deep dish Cragars from rubbing the fenders. Hey, I was 16 and it was 1975. Broke both shock mounts about 6 months apart in 75. Dad made me get 8 inch Cragars, 60 series tires, and standard shocks. It's now 03 and not a single broken shock mount in 28 years. So in my opinion, Air shocks used incorrectly to lift a car, break shock mounts. Trooper I ran out of gas in a grey car one time so I'm hesitant to ever drive a gray car again. (doh!) - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
I've seen them before..they look
sweet!!
I'm certain they're a bolt in...
Dan McIntosh64 Impala SSwww.alloldchevy.com
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Batsy74
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:26
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] air
shocks
Do they make coil over shocks that will bolt in
when replacing standard shocks? What other mods would be needed?
Thanks,
Batsy
67ElCamino
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Gino
Espinosa
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:14
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] air
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I really don't haul around stuff to often, only every so often, like any
other truck owner. So I think I might just swap them out. Any
recommendations on what type of shocks to get?
Thanks,
Gino
Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Dump em and get some regular shocks... adjust your ride heigth by
other means. Air shocks are good for nothing other then the rear up
stance. Give ya wheel hop and ride like crude. You will probably be
happier with a regular set.
mikey
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From:
Gino Espinosa
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:06
PM
To: Chevelle list
Subject: [Chevelle-List] air
shocks
I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor
know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that
the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that
sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't
look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these
shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the
air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a
separate email. Thanks in advance.
Gino
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Do they make coil over shocks that will bolt in when replacing standard shocks? What other mods would be needed? Thanks, Batsy 67ElCamino - Original Message - From: Gino Espinosa To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I really don't haul around stuff to often, only every so often, like any other truck owner. So I think I might just swap them out. Any recommendations on what type of shocks to get? Thanks, Gino Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dump em and get some regular shocks... adjust your ride heigth by other means. Air shocks are good for nothing other then the rear up stance. Give ya wheel hop and ride like crude. You will probably be happier with a regular set. mikey - Original Message - From: Gino Espinosa Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:06 PM To: Chevelle list Subject: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a separate email. Thanks in advance. Gino
RE: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
The valve is also behind the passenger seat in mine. How do I check the pressure? Just put a gauge to it like I would to a tire? There are also two thin clear hoses coming from both shocks to some little valve, I guess, of some sort with screwable caps at each end for each hose. (Sorry for the bad description, but it's the best I could do!) What is this for? Also, how do I know when the air shocks go bad? I'm sorry for all the questions, but like i said, I've never dealt with air shocks in my life! Thanks, Gino Dale McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gino, Air shocks were standard on my 67 Elky but not sure about other year Elkys. Someone removed them long ago but I have a set on my 67 SS that I've had for quite a few years without problems. Some people like 'em, some hate 'em. Some will even claim they break shock mounts because they or someone they know had one break - so it must be true for all air shocks, right? I ran out of gas in a grey car one time so I'm hesitant to ever drive a gray car again. (doh!) First, if air shocks are used for they are intended to be used for - that being to level the vehicle when there's a load - they'll last for years. If they're used to jack up the rear end they won't last usually due to too much air pressure (rough ride) and too much air for too long. You should run a minimum amount of air (usually 10-15 lbs) - never run them without air as it'll break the internals. You should have a fill valve (my Elky's is located behind the passenger seat on the rear sill). On my SS, it's located behind the license plate next to the gas tank filler. Remember that air expands as it heats and contracts as it cools. Could be the cause of the height changing ever so often. If you don't know where the fill valve is, you can't be adding or removing air. If you NEVER haul anything and feel more comfortable, replace them with standard shocks. Me, I take luggage for two, tools, folding chairs, cameras, a computer, and lots of other "stuff" when I drive to car shows and so I'll increase the air pressure to compensate for the loaded trunk. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dales Place My 67 SS and 67 El Camino ChevelleStuff Decoding info on 64-72 Chevelles Team 67 1967 Chevelle/El Camino Specific Midwest Chevelles Midwest Chevelle Show Information -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino EspinosaSent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:02 PMTo: Chevelle listSubject: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a separate email. Thanks in advance. Gino
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
I really don't haul around stuff to often, only every so often, like any other truck owner. So I think I might just swap them out. Any recommendations on what type of shocks to get? Thanks, Gino Capt Crunch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dump em and get some regular shocks... adjust your ride heigth by other means. Air shocks are good for nothing other then the rear up stance. Give ya wheel hop and ride like crude. You will probably be happier with a regular set. mikey - Original Message - From: Gino Espinosa Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:06 PM To: Chevelle list Subject: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a separate email. Thanks in advance. Gino
RE: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Title: Message Gino, Air shocks were standard on my 67 Elky but not sure about other year Elkys. Someone removed them long ago but I have a set on my 67 SS that I've had for quite a few years without problems. Some people like 'em, some hate 'em. Some will even claim they break shock mounts because they or someone they know had one break - so it must be true for all air shocks, right? I ran out of gas in a grey car one time so I'm hesitant to ever drive a gray car again. (doh!) First, if air shocks are used for they are intended to be used for - that being to level the vehicle when there's a load - they'll last for years. If they're used to jack up the rear end they won't last usually due to too much air pressure (rough ride) and too much air for too long. You should run a minimum amount of air (usually 10-15 lbs) - never run them without air as it'll break the internals. You should have a fill valve (my Elky's is located behind the passenger seat on the rear sill). On my SS, it's located behind the license plate next to the gas tank filler. Remember that air expands as it heats and contracts as it cools. Could be the cause of the height changing ever so often. If you don't know where the fill valve is, you can't be adding or removing air. If you NEVER haul anything and feel more comfortable, replace them with standard shocks. Me, I take luggage for two, tools, folding chairs, cameras, a computer, and lots of other "stuff" when I drive to car shows and so I'll increase the air pressure to compensate for the loaded trunk. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale’s Place – My 67 SS and 67 El Camino ChevelleStuff – Decoding info on 64-72 Chevelles Team 67 – 1967 Chevelle/El Camino Specific Midwest Chevelles – Midwest Chevelle Show Information -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino EspinosaSent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:02 PMTo: Chevelle listSubject: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a separate email. Thanks in advance. Gino
Re: [Chevelle-List] air shocks
Dump em and get some regular shocks... adjust your ride heigth by other means. Air shocks are good for nothing other then the rear up stance. Give ya wheel hop and ride like crude. You will probably be happier with a regular set. mikey - Original Message - From: Gino Espinosa Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 1:06 PM To: Chevelle list Subject: [Chevelle-List] air shocks I need some educating here. I have never dealt with air shocks or nor know much about them (except that they use air...duh) I also know that the ride isn't very nice. Anyways, I've noticed on my 64 Elky that sometimes the rear will look really high and other times, it doesn't look as bad, but still high though. So what's the deal with these shocks? How do I take all the air out of them? Should I just dump the air shocks and swap them for regular shocks? I'll send a picture in a separate email. Thanks in advance. Gino
RE: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List OR - it's an El Camino -Original Message- Chances are that if the car has air shocks, the rear springs have seen better days. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Chances are that if the car has air shocks, the rear springs have seen better days. I have the same problem with my 67. There was a real nice article about suspension improvements for classic cars in the Feb 2002 copy of Super Chevy. The example used was a 67 El Camino and it was based on an Edelbrock package. I plan to go for it. The Edelbrock website has a Suspension Application Guide identifying all necessary part numbers. If your interested and can't find the magazine, let me know and I'll copy the article and mail it to you. Mike - Original Message - From: Jeff Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I recently bought my '71 Chevelle and even though it sits tucked away in the garage for the Minnesota winter I am always thinking about it. In fact yesterday a friend brought over what he said was "all we need to time the car" but all he brought was a timing light. We set the timing but I still have a problem where the car turns over slowly when hot. I then read in the service manual that you can set the dwell without a meter by turning in the dwell until the car bogs then opening a half turn so we did that and of course rechecked the timing and it was at 0, so reset that back to 8° and the motor seemed to sound better but still does the slow starting. Any ideas on what is causing this? On the rear the car has air shocks and I want to take them off. What would be the best replacement system for the rear? With hardly any air in the shocks the car "wheel- hops" all over the place with even minimal acceleration. Sorry for these newbie questions but I haven't worked on these cars since I was a teenager and although it is coming back to me slowly I feel the need to clear my thoughts with you guys until I build more confidence. Thanks in advance for the help. -- Jeff Fischer Lake Elmo, MN '71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd, matching numbers (In process of restoration when spring gets here) :) http://people.mn.mediaone.net/addss/chevelle.html - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I had the same problem with my 67 and the culprit turned out to be a larger starter cable was needed. Rebuilt the starter, replaced solenoid, changed battery, cleaned all connections. Positive cable just wasn't big enough anymore. New it worked fine but after 5 years or so, resistance grew too high. I'm pretty sure I used a size 4 on mine as well. Dale McIntosh ACES #1709/TC #92 Gold 67 SS/67 Elky http://www.dalesplace.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Fischer > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks > > > > Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > > I recently bought my '71 Chevelle and even though it sits tucked away in > the garage for the Minnesota winter I am always thinking about > it. In fact > yesterday a friend brought over what he said was "all we need to time the > car" but all he brought was a timing light. We set the timing but I still > have a problem where the car turns over slowly when hot. I then > read in the > service manual that you can set the dwell without a meter by > turning in the > dwell until the car bogs then opening a half turn so we did that and of > course rechecked the timing and it was at 0, so reset that back to 8° and > the motor seemed to sound better but still does the slow starting. Any > ideas on what is causing this? > > On the rear the car has air shocks and I want to take them off. > What would > be the best replacement system for the rear? With hardly any air in the > shocks the car "wheel- hops" all over the place with even minimal > acceleration. Sorry for these newbie questions but I haven't worked on > these cars since I was a teenager and although it is coming back to me > slowly I feel the need to clear my thoughts with you guys until I build > more confidence. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > > -- > Jeff Fischer > Lake Elmo, MN > '71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd, matching numbers > (In process of restoration when spring gets here) :) > http://people.mn.mediaone.net/addss/chevelle.html > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Gas shocks for sure. I'm running Blistein shocks, firm but not too. They are 360 PSI, KYB's are 260 PSI. Either should keep the tire in touch with the road. Check out http://www.shockwarehouse.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Hi, my thoughts on the timeing are: u need to check under the hood for the sticker that tells what it should be set at,and go from there,a bad starter will not get hot cause u only use it to start the car, so if its hot its needs replaced or rebuilt, and as for your shock ? i use a good gas type they give the car handling and a better ride. Ken D. 72 HeavyChevy - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks
Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List Slow start could be many things. Tends to relate to insufficient amps available to crank the engine over. Heat related problems tend to relate to heat soak in the starter. You need HD high torque starter & a quality solenoid & 4 ga. cables to be trouble free. (if the car has headers the problem is worse). I'd start by examining all these components for wear and quality. Load test the battery to see how many amps are available. A current draw test on the starter can be performed to see if it is requiring too many amps. If you're bored, pull the starter and check the internal solenoid contacts and brushes on the starter. Some of these cars came with a heat shield for the solenoid. If its been removed, that also affects heat soak. Too much ignition timing will cause a slow crank, but 8° doesn't like too much. It is possible that the balancer ring has slipped and is not reading correctly, though. A cam that's too far advanced will cause it as well. When you don't know how the car was put together, there's a lot of variables. Begin with the starting system, quality parts and an 800 amp battery can start most anything. Glenn >From: Jeff Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Chevelle-List] Air shocks >Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 09:06:01 -0600 > > >Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List > > >I recently bought my '71 Chevelle and even though it sits tucked away in >the garage for the Minnesota winter I am always thinking about it. In fact >yesterday a friend brought over what he said was "all we need to time the >car" but all he brought was a timing light. We set the timing but I still >have a problem where the car turns over slowly when hot. I then read in the >service manual that you can set the dwell without a meter by turning in the >dwell until the car bogs then opening a half turn so we did that and of >course rechecked the timing and it was at 0, so reset that back to 8° and >the motor seemed to sound better but still does the slow starting. Any >ideas on what is causing this? > >On the rear the car has air shocks and I want to take them off. What would >be the best replacement system for the rear? With hardly any air in the >shocks the car "wheel- hops" all over the place with even minimal >acceleration. Sorry for these newbie questions but I haven't worked on >these cars since I was a teenager and although it is coming back to me >slowly I feel the need to clear my thoughts with you guys until I build >more confidence. > >Thanks in advance for the help. > > >-- >Jeff Fischer >Lake Elmo, MN >'71 Chevelle SS, 454, 4 spd, matching numbers >(In process of restoration when spring gets here) :) >http://people.mn.mediaone.net/addss/chevelle.html > > >- >To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html >To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Replies to this message are sent to The Chevelle Mailing List I used Munro gas-o-matics on my 66.they seem to work really well - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
