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Please stop! --- Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is like the one when I was a lad.. that if JFK was elected.. the Pope will be living in the whit house and a new law that we must eat Fish every Friday !!! Well hears a new one;; if bush wins and his oil buddies prevail.. Gas will be 6 dollars a gallon.. so we won't be driving our Chevelles that much anyway.. Wayne - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election Mike Holleman wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. You dont think that a proposal to outlaw Chevelles is a proper subject for this list? I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com
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Please remove my email address from your site - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election I am going to make a comment that points out a difference between the two major presidential candidates. I am not trying to tell anyone how to vote or start an argument. It appears that President Bush is more favorable towards our hobby/love of the old cars. I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. Also stated that diesels must become cleaner. Now granted this was a sidebar in a newspaper that I just happened to pick up and read while traveling thru New Mexico and did not directly point out our cars. However, what else would he be talking about? I haven't read or heard Bush mention anything of this nature, all I have heard him say that he is for clean air with no other details to go along with his statement. Just reading between the lines and after reading 'Unfit To Command' I believe I know who I won't vote for, as I want to keep my cars. I believe I will build another one. D.R. Jones
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Hey guys, if you want to spout off all your political ideas and views why don't you go do it on your local street corner or somewhere else you feel comfortable, but this web sight is supposed to be about Chevelle's and assisting people with them. Why don't we leave it for what it was meant to be used for when it was developed? Best regards, Chuck Speake -Original Message- From: Michael Pell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election It would be nice to know exactly where you read this comment of Kerry's, and exactly what he said. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what, when, or where he said it. He'll have a different stand at the next place and time The only thing he's stuck with consistently is that he wants a bigger more expensive govt to suck away our rights and money. Dennis Kiernan wrote: D.R. Jones wrote: . . I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. Just reading between the lines and after reading 'Unfit To Command' I believe I know who I won't vote for, as I want to keep my cars. I believe I will build another one. It would be nice to know exactly where you read this comment of Kerry's, and exactly what he said. Assuming, tho, that he really did say in effect that he would like to outlaw my old Chevy (which I plan to drive for the next 30 years), then it comes down to the very hard choice of whether to put one issue you care a lot about above a lot of maybe more important issues. I, for one, also dont like the usual Democrat's anti-tobacco and anti-gun position. But there is no way I could ever bring myself to vote for a complete phony like Bush. Or a nincompoop like Schvartzenegger in my state.
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Bill, ALSO,on your item #3, the demand for oil is growing in leaps and bounds in China, as well as India. Remember we talked about steel prices and China's insatiable needs a while back? Prices for oil will start leveling off soon. Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Lessenberry Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election Then, there's gas prices -- about $2.50 a gallon for regular in San Francisco. Bush has been in power for four years now, and we're supposed to be taking over Iraq, so why are gas prices climbing so fast? Ok, this is pretty dispassionate--1. California's (and other non-conforming areas) speciality fuels are always going to cost more-blame the EPA and the Clean Air Act and your local government. The most expensive gas here (central Arkansas) is $2.16 for 93 octane you can find 87 octane for as little as $1.73. 2. Nigeria-I don't think any American had anything to do with the mess there. 3. Hurricanes tropical storms-3 of them in the Gulf. Disrupted the output of the rigs, and the pipelines will need repairs. Any supply interruptions are going to drive the price up, and when you have 3 or 4 at once, the markets really skyrocket. When (and if) the supply lines begin to fill up again we will see a drop in prices. Check your history, this has been happening for years. I hope this was OK with ya'll. BL
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This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election I am going to make a comment that points out a difference between the two major presidential candidates. I am not trying to tell anyone how to vote or start an argument. It appears that President Bush is more favorable towards our hobby/love of the old cars. I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. Also stated that diesels must become cleaner. Now granted this was a sidebar in a newspaper that I just happened to pick up and read while traveling thru New Mexico and did not directly point out our cars. However, what else would he be talking about? I haven't read or heard Bush mention anything of this nature, all I have heard him say that he is for clean air with no other details to go along with his statement. Just reading between the lines and after reading 'Unfit To Command' I believe I know who I won't vote for, as I want to keep my cars. I believe I will build another one. D.R. Jones
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It would be nice to know exactly where you read this comment of Kerry's, and exactly what he said. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what, when, or where he said it. He'll have a different stand at the next place and time The only thing he's stuck with consistently is that he wants a bigger more expensive govt to suck away our rights and money. Dennis Kiernan wrote: D.R. Jones wrote: . . I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. Just reading between the lines and after reading 'Unfit To Command' I believe I know who I won't vote for, as I want to keep my cars. I believe I will build another one. It would be nice to know exactly where you read this comment of Kerry's, and exactly what he said. Assuming, tho, that he really did say in effect that he would like to outlaw my old Chevy (which I plan to drive for the next 30 years), then it comes down to the very hard choice of whether to put one issue you care a lot about above a lot of maybe more important issues. I, for one, also dont like the usual Democrat's anti-tobacco and anti-gun position. But there is no way I could ever bring myself to vote for a complete phony like Bush. Or a nincompoop like Schvartzenegger in my state.
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On Oct 23, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Michael Pell wrote: It would be nice to know exactly where you read this comment of Kerry's, and exactly what he said. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what, when, or where he said it. He'll have a different stand at the next place and time The only thing he's stuck with consistently is that he wants a bigger more expensive govt to suck away our rights and money. I don't care if someone changes their opinion admitting they were wrong. That shows a sense of reason. But, to blindly plod along, saying you are right, when everyone on the planet knows you are wrong, is just blind. Especially, when people are facing death. How does the rest of the world look at us when contracts to rebuild Iraq are given to our leaders companies without any consideration to other companies in other countries? The corruption in the White House is rampant and must be stopped. I don't understand how anyone can support Bush's tax breaks to his rich friends while the poor are shipped off to die in Iraq, supporting his rich friends companies. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! Now, my SS dash is cracked over the steering column and I had it restored, but it's still cracked. The guys say that once the dash is installed, it will be more stable and then they will repair it. I don't see how they will be able to do this without wrecking the plastic covering the gauges. Does this make any sense? Thanks, Mark 71 SS convertible
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Mike Holleman wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. You dont think that a proposal to outlaw Chevelles is a proper subject for this list? I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways.
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While I'd love to post some comments pertaining to this discussion, Mike is absolutely right. This is NOT the place to discuss politics, beyond anti-clunker bills, pollution issues, etc. -Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Holleman Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:02 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: D.R. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 6:34 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election I am going to make a comment that points out a difference between the two major presidential candidates. I am not trying to tell anyone how to vote or start an argument. It appears that President Bush is more favorable towards our hobby/love of the old cars. I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways. Also stated that diesels must become cleaner. Now granted this was a sidebar in a newspaper that I just happened to pick up and read while traveling thru New Mexico and did not directly point out our cars. However, what else would he be talking about? I haven't read or heard Bush mention anything of this nature, all I have heard him say that he is for clean air with no other details to go along with his statement. Just reading between the lines and after reading 'Unfit To Command' I believe I know who I won't vote for, as I want to keep my cars. I believe I will build another one. D.R. Jones
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I agree 100%. What ever happened to not discussing politics, religion, and sex in public? Vote however you want to vote... just be sure you vote. We all have different backgrounds in life dispite all being brought together through our love and ownership of chevelles, so it is natural that we have different political adgendas. But like Mike and some others have stated... keep your political opinion to yourself. Nothing anyone says at this point is gonna change my vote and I think that 99% of the people on the list are the same way... so save your keyboard. Thanks Mike Ryan From: Mike Holleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:01:47 -0400 This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman
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You folks do know that Bush and Kerry are not the only choices, right? Dennis Kiernan wrote: I, for one, also dont like the usual Democrat's anti-tobacco and anti-gun position. But there is no way I could ever bring myself to vote for a complete phony like Bush. Or a nincompoop like Schvartzenegger in my state.
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this is like the one when I was a lad.. that if JFK was elected.. the Pope will be living in the whit house and a new law that we must eat Fish every Friday !!! Well hears a new one;; if bush wins and his oil buddies prevail.. Gas will be 6 dollars a gallon.. so we won't be driving our Chevelles that much anyway.. Wayne - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election Mike Holleman wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. You dont think that a proposal to outlaw Chevelles is a proper subject for this list? I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways.
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Well this is related to our hobby. I know many people think that Bush is in the Saudi's pockets and willing to let gas go higher and higher, but I wanted to point out a fact that can be verified through congressional records. John Kerry has voted to raise taxes on gas 11 times. This includes the 50 cent per gallon tax voted for in Febuary or March of 1994. I also think that everyone should turn the spin off and vote for whoever they want after picking the topics that are important to them and then spending a while conducting research on facts rather than watching slanted news/ comentary/ documentaries/ concerts/ or movies. I don't think any choice will be perfect, but there is a good arguement that this election will have a lasting impact on the future of our country and our hobby. The winner of this election will be appointing judges at various levels and making important decisions regarding every aspect of our lives (including jobs, pay, insurance, healthcare, social welfare- and who is going to pay for it). I pray that the best man wins and I can continue enjoying life with my family and my Chevelle without the fear of terror or anything else that restricts my way of life. Please cut the negativity and vote responsibly. PSand get back to Chevelles From: Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/10/23 Sat PM 06:14:33 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election this is like the one when I was a lad.. that if JFK was elected.. the Pope will be living in the whit house and a new law that we must eat Fish every Friday !!! Well hears a new one;; if bush wins and his oil buddies prevail.. Gas will be 6 dollars a gallon.. so we won't be driving our Chevelles that much anyway.. Wayne - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Comment Pertaining To Election Mike Holleman wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. You dont think that a proposal to outlaw Chevelles is a proper subject for this list? I read a New Mexico newspaper article that had Kerry saying that in one of the steps to having clean air, all older vehicles must be taken off the highways.
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At 08:01 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman THANK YOU for saying exactly the way I feel. Let's all BS about cars, not BS. :-))) BL
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Remember Friday when everyone was asking whether the list was down, no emails etc??? I guess this deal filled up your boxes huh? :-))) BL
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YEAH CAN WE GO BACK TO SILENCE?
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That's what I love about the USA. The free exchange of opinions...without the fear of incarceration! Meanwhile, during a halfheimers (not yet alzheimers) moment I either tossed or lost the upper bolts that attach the caliper bracket to the spindle (72 disk variety) Anyone know the dimensions of this hardware? Neal S.
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Bill Lessenberry wrote: At 08:01 AM 10/23/2004, you wrote: This is a Chevelle list. This is the one place that I have not had politics in my face over the last few months. Please post your opinions/comments elsewhere. Mike Holleman THANK YOU for saying exactly the way I feel. Let's all BS about cars, not BS. :-))) I share your feelings about getting into impossible-to-resolve political harangues, especially when people take the opportunity to throw in their fears of same-sex marriage, etc. However, some car issues are inevitably political. Eg, I've got to get my car smogged this year and it's going to cost me about $80 for starters, just to have it tested at a special test-only station. Then, there's gas prices -- about $2.50 a gallon for regular in San Francisco. Bush has been in power for four years now, and we're supposed to be taking over Iraq, so why are gas prices climbing so fast? Of course, it would be nice if any opinions on these car-related facts of life could be presented objectively and dispassionately, without getting into one's personal feelings about religion, sex, machismo, etc.
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Then, there's gas prices -- about $2.50 a gallon for regular in San Francisco. Bush has been in power for four years now, and we're supposed to be taking over Iraq, so why are gas prices climbing so fast? Ok, this is pretty dispassionate--1. California's (and other non-conforming areas) speciality fuels are always going to cost more-blame the EPA and the Clean Air Act and your local government. The most expensive gas here (central Arkansas) is $2.16 for 93 octane you can find 87 octane for as little as $1.73. 2. Nigeria-I don't think any American had anything to do with the mess there. 3. Hurricanes tropical storms-3 of them in the Gulf. Disrupted the output of the rigs, and the pipelines will need repairs. Any supply interruptions are going to drive the price up, and when you have 3 or 4 at once, the markets really skyrocket. When (and if) the supply lines begin to fill up again we will see a drop in prices. Check your history, this has been happening for years. I hope this was OK with ya'll. BL
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hey neal i did the same thing, they sell them now at opg, i took off the bolt from a manual brake car which has the same tread size and went dont to the local fastners outlet and match it up with one of there's i thought the head might tough the rotor, and i would have to grind off some of the head but it turn out the clearence was ok the bolts cost 35 cents a piece ,,,opg i think where 4 buck but its the correct one later gl,,, jim
