Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-05 Thread Malibu 
In the July 2007 issue of Hemmings Muscle Machines there is an article in the 
Tech. section called "Cool Running: Refreshing Your Cooling System". It's 
nothing that is new but does cover areas that a person might not think of or 
just forget to do.
And  it talks about a "High flow water pump". There is a difference.
They use a Charger cooling system but the same applies to all cooling systems.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dean Vandergriff 
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 6:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


  I'm coming into this one a little late, but are you boiling over or just 
seeing elevated temps on the gauge?   If you're not boiling over I wouldn't 
worry too much.My 454 with flex fan, & no shroud ran consistently at 180 
idling would jump up to 200 pretty quickly, but it never boiled over.If you 
check your gauge 15 minutes after you shut the car off you'll likely be scared 
by the temp that you see & that happens every time you shut it off.But 
again, if it's not puking coolant all over the ground don't sweat it too much.

   

  Just my .02, or is that .06 worth at today's rates  J

   

  Dean Vandergriff

   




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  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

   

  A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp of 
the coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times menaing it's 
staying open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to cool down.  There is 
a such thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are junk...period.  They flow LESS 
air then the RPMs are in the mid range.  You should be running a 180-185 
thermostat in a 402 along with a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the correct fan 
shroud.  GM engineered this for a reason...it works.  I have a stock cooling 
system on my 70 SS 454 and never have overheating problems with it.  Another 
thing that comes into play in this situation that alot of people don't realize 
is the size of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the correct one on it?  
Another water pump won't fix anything if the pulley is the problem.

   

  Tom Rightler
  MCC Newsletter Editor

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From: Trooper 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List 

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating 
problem. 

  - Original Message - 

      From: Jim H. Thompson 

  To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 

  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM

  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

   

  Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.

  Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  

   

  Jim

   

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barrett
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
  To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

   

  Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
   
  Thanks,
  tbDallas


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-03 Thread Dean Vandergriff 
I'm coming into this one a little late, but are you boiling over or just
seeing elevated temps on the gauge?   If you're not boiling over I
wouldn't worry too much.My 454 with flex fan, & no shroud ran
consistently at 180 idling would jump up to 200 pretty quickly, but it
never boiled over.If you check your gauge 15 minutes after you shut
the car off you'll likely be scared by the temp that you see & that
happens every time you shut it off.But again, if it's not puking
coolant all over the ground don't sweat it too much.

 

Just my .02, or is that .06 worth at today's rates  :-)

 

Dean Vandergriff

 




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Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 10:46 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp
of the coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times
menaing it's staying open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to
cool down.  There is a such thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are
junk...period.  They flow LESS air then the RPMs are in the mid range.
You should be running a 180-185 thermostat in a 402 along with a 19" 7
blade clutch fan and the correct fan shroud.  GM engineered this for a
reason...it works.  I have a stock cooling system on my 70 SS 454 and
never have overheating problems with it.  Another thing that comes into
play in this situation that alot of people don't realize is the size of
the water pump pulley.  Does it have the correct one on it?  Another
water pump won't fix anything if the pulley is the problem.

 

Tom Rightler
MCC Newsletter Editor

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From: Trooper <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
<mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  

        Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water
pump?"

 

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an
overheating problem. 

- Original Message - 

From: Jim H. Thompson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List'
<mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  

    Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high
flow water pump?"

 

Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator
that copper vs aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your
hoses are not collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring).
Test the pressure of your radiator cap that's important for your over
flow system.  If you have a clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex
fan. Make sure your fan blades come to the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow
water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting
the summer time over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator
soon but I remember someone telling me that the so-called "high flow"
water pumps are no better than a standard water pump. My overheating
seems to really occur at idle (stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is
the question: Has anyone really found a high-flow water pump for my car
and if so, where can i get it and how much? Also, do you think the
aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
tbDallas





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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread Brad Waller 
As Trooper originally stated, dropping the thermostat temperature will 
not affect overheating one iota. If you have a call that runs cool the 
160 will let it run as cool as 160.  But once it is open it is no 
different than a 180 or a 195 thermostat.  If the car is running hot, 
that all happens at 230+ degrees, long after all the thermostats have 
fully opened.


Other than a high modified car, any car with a working radiator and fan 
with a shroud should not overheat.  If you overheat, it is because the 
engine is not tuned properly or the cooling system is out of whack.


Brad Waller
1967 Chevelle, 180 thermostat

Jim H. Thompson wrote:


I disagree about flex fans, I have used them for thirty years. I have 
had factory blades come off and slice through steel fan shrouds. I 
feel clutch fans cause drag, lose horse power and shorten pump life.


 


Don't get touchy about the 160 thermostat they make them for a reason.

 

A stock set up is great if everything is factory specs.   

 

*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Tom Rightler

*Sent:* Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:46 AM
*To:* The Chevelle Mailing List
*Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the 
temp of the coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times 
menaing it's staying open and coolant is not staying in the radiator 
to cool down.  There is a such thing as running too cold.  Flex fans 
are junk...period.  They flow LESS air then the RPMs are in the mid 
range.  You should be running a 180-185 thermostat in a 402 along with 
a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the correct fan shroud.  GM engineered 
this for a reason...it works.  I have a stock cooling system on my 70 
SS 454 and never have overheating problems with it.  Another thing 
that comes into play in this situation that alot of people don't 
realize is the size of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the 
correct one on it?  Another water pump won't fix anything if the 
pulley is the problem.


 


Tom Rightler
MCC Newsletter Editor

- Original Message -

*From:* Trooper <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ;
The Chevelle Mailing List <mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>

    *Sent:* Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM

    *Subject:* Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water
pump?"

 


Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an
overheating problem. 


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread Dave Corgill 

At 04:48 PM 6/2/2008, you wrote:
>Actually, the last part is wrong.  50/50 water/antifreeze is not as
>efficient at transfering heat.  It lowers the freeze point and rasies the
>boiling point, and it adds required lubrication for the water pump.  Pure
>water will cool the car off, but you need to add a lubricant (or additive
>that includes a lubricant) if you even want to think about it.  You also
>need to be 100% certain that it will nevre freeze.
>
Correct, but you can't run just water "IF" you have a vintage AC.
The AC will freeze the heater coil & bust it.

Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread gm66 
160 stats were for alcohol vs gycol at least 180. lower temp can lead to 
sludging of oil. If origional called for 180 degrees that is why. a 160 stat 
for your engine is incorrect, look for other problems. gm66

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From: "Jim H. Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 20:20:36 -0400

I disagree about flex fans, I have used them for thirty years. I have had
factory blades come off and slice through steel fan shrouds. I feel clutch
fans cause drag, lose horse power and shorten pump life. 

 

Don't get touchy about the 160 thermostat they make them for a reason. 

 

A stock set up is great if everything is factory specs.   

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Rightler
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:46 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp of
the coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times menaing it's
staying open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to cool down.  There
is a such thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are junk...period.  They
flow LESS air then the RPMs are in the mid range.  You should be running a
180-185 thermostat in a 402 along with a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the
correct fan shroud.  GM engineered this for a reason...it works.  I have a
stock cooling system on my 70 SS 454 and never have overheating problems
with it.  Another thing that comes into play in this situation that alot of
people don't realize is the size of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the
correct one on it?  Another water pump won't fix anything if the pulley is
the problem.

 

Tom Rightler
MCC Newsletter Editor

- Original Message - 

From: Trooper <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
<mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem.


- Original Message - 

From: Jim H. Thompson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: 'The <mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  Chevelle Mailing List' 

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs
aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come
to the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle
(stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really
found a high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and
how much? Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
tbDallas


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread Jim H. Thompson 
I disagree about flex fans, I have used them for thirty years. I have had
factory blades come off and slice through steel fan shrouds. I feel clutch
fans cause drag, lose horse power and shorten pump life. 

 

Don't get touchy about the 160 thermostat they make them for a reason. 

 

A stock set up is great if everything is factory specs.   

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Rightler
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:46 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp of
the coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times menaing it's
staying open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to cool down.  There
is a such thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are junk...period.  They
flow LESS air then the RPMs are in the mid range.  You should be running a
180-185 thermostat in a 402 along with a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the
correct fan shroud.  GM engineered this for a reason...it works.  I have a
stock cooling system on my 70 SS 454 and never have overheating problems
with it.  Another thing that comes into play in this situation that alot of
people don't realize is the size of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the
correct one on it?  Another water pump won't fix anything if the pulley is
the problem.

 

Tom Rightler
MCC Newsletter Editor

- Original Message - 

From: Trooper <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List
<mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  

Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem.


- Original Message - 

From: Jim H. Thompson <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: 'The <mailto:chevelle-list@chevelles.net>  Chevelle Mailing List' 

Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs
aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come
to the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tabius barrett
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle
(stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really
found a high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and
how much? Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
tbDallas


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread Brad Waller 
Actually, the last part is wrong.  50/50 water/antifreeze is not as
efficient at transfering heat.  It lowers the freeze point and rasies the
boiling point, and it adds required lubrication for the water pump.  Pure
water will cool the car off, but you need to add a lubricant (or additive
that includes a lubricant) if you even want to think about it.  You also
need to be 100% certain that it will nevre freeze.

I have used distilled water plus water wetter quite successfully.  You could
go to a 25/75 solution of antifreeze/water for better heat transfer and
maintain a reasonable freeze protection for most people.  I wouldn't do this
in a northern winter, but we're talking about summer overheating I think.

Look at the chart for Heat Capacity on this page: 
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html
And you will see a significant increase in Heat Capacity for 25% ethylyne
glycol compared to 50/50.  The notes say:

Note! The specific heat capacity of an ethylene glycol based water solution
is less than the specific heat of clean water. For a heat transfer system
the circulated volume must be increased.

In a 50% solution with operational temperatures above 36 oF the specific
heat capacity is decreased with aprox. 20%. The reduced specific heat
capacity must be compensated by circulating more fluid.

Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

'66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFG R1
'67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | F-Body Brakes | 275/40/17 Kumho MX

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:12 PM
> To: The Chevelle Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
> 
>  Also if you have an automatic transmission you need a 4 core 
> radiator. Otherwise a 3 core should suffice. I had a 66 in 
> which somone had put in a 2 core radiator, which should have 
> been a 3 core. Made a big difference. Don't forget to use  
> 50/50 antifreeze ratio coolant also. It diffusses heat better 
> than just water out of the radiator.  Gm66
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> From: "Trooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  "The Chevelle Mailing 
> List" 
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 08:01:33 -0500
> 
> Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an 
> overheating problem. 
>   - Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jim H. Thompson 
>   To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
>   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow 
> water pump?"
> 
> 
>   Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator 
> that copper vs aluminum is a break even.
> 
>   Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your 
> hoses are not collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom 
> spring). Test the pressure of your radiator cap that's 
> important for your over flow system.  If you have a clutch 
> fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan 
> blades come to the back lip of your shroud.  
> 
>
> 
>   Jim
> 
>
> 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> tabius barrett
>   Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
>   To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
>   Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
> 
>
> 
>   Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the 
> summer time over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum 
> radiator soon but I remember someone telling me that the 
> so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better than a 
> standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at 
> idle (stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: 
> Has anyone really found a high-flow water pump for my car and 
> if so, where can i get it and how much? Also, do you think 
> the aluminum radiator will help?
>
>   Thanks,
>   tbDallas
> 

>

Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread ss454hillman 
I have a 70 with a full roller 461 BBC and I installed a Edelbrock alumium 
water pump and had a radiator shop here in Mich make me a 4 core rad and I 
never get over 180 degrees with a 160 stat. Four Seasons Radiator shop is Much 
cheaper that a Be Cool or anything like that? Good Luck? Steve


-Original Message-
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To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 2:42 pm
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
?
Thanks,
tbDallas

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-06-02 Thread gm66 
 Also if you have an automatic transmission you need a 4 core radiator. 
Otherwise a 3 core should suffice. I had a 66 in which somone had put in a 2 
core radiator, which should have been a 3 core. Made a big difference. Don't 
forget to use  50/50 antifreeze ratio coolant also. It diffusses heat better 
than just water out of the radiator.  Gm66

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From: "Trooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"The Chevelle Mailing List" 

Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 08:01:33 -0500

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim H. Thompson 
  To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


  Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.

  Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  

   

  Jim

   

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tabius barrett
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
  To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

   

  Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
   
  Thanks,
  tbDallas


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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread vincent dilascio 
how old is rad.?? could be clogged,?? when car is at eng. temp. feel around the 
rad. any cold spots mean there is no flow there, then don't trust your gauge 
get another to be sure,and yes there are high pumps [eldebrock] has them-how 
old is your clutch fan when motor is at eng. temp see if fan is spinning well 
producing alot of air clutches go bad. and a 160 stat is good to make sure you 
have no air in system before you cap up. vin
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  Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem. 
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From: Jim H. Thompson 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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barrett
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
tbDallas




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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread Josh Campbell 
Yeah I cann't remember if it was Car Craft or Chevy High Performance but they 
did an article on aluminum/ copper radiators and it pretty well summed up that 
the aluminum rad doesn't cool as well as what it is hyped up for. 

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   Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.
  Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that’s important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  
   
  Jim
   
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barrett
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


   
  Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
tbDallas

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread tabius barrett 

Thanks for the responses.  I have no idea if it has the correct water pump 
pulley, nor do I know how to identify if is the correct one. I will try to do 
some research and see which one I have, unless you have an easy way to 
determine this.


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A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp of the 
coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times menaing it's staying 
open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to cool down.  There is a such 
thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are junk...period.  They flow LESS air 
then the RPMs are in the mid range.  You should be running a 180-185 thermostat 
in a 402 along with a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the correct fan shroud.  GM 
engineered this for a reason...it works.  I have a stock cooling system on my 
70 SS 454 and never have overheating problems with it.  Another thing that 
comes into play in this situation that alot of people don't realize is the size 
of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the correct one on it?  Another water 
pump won't fix anything if the pulley is the problem.
 
Tom RightlerMCC Newsletter Editor

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From: Trooper 
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Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem. 

- Original Message - 
From: Jim H. Thompson 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs aluminum 
is a break even.
Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that’s important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  
 
Jim
 


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Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
 
Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help? Thanks,tbDallas



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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread Dan Rachlin 
Always use a fan shroud. They do work.
Dan

Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread Tom Rightler 
A 160 thermostat won't fix anything.  It's overheating because the temp of the 
coolant is higher than that of the thermostat at all times menaing it's staying 
open and coolant is not staying in the radiator to cool down.  There is a such 
thing as running too cold.  Flex fans are junk...period.  They flow LESS air 
then the RPMs are in the mid range.  You should be running a 180-185 thermostat 
in a 402 along with a 19" 7 blade clutch fan and the correct fan shroud.  GM 
engineered this for a reason...it works.  I have a stock cooling system on my 
70 SS 454 and never have overheating problems with it.  Another thing that 
comes into play in this situation that alot of people don't realize is the size 
of the water pump pulley.  Does it have the correct one on it?  Another water 
pump won't fix anything if the pulley is the problem.

Tom Rightler
MCC Newsletter Editor
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  Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 9:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


  Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem. 
- Original Message - 
From: Jim H. Thompson 
To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
    Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
    Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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barrett
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-31 Thread Trooper 
Dropping the temp of your thermostat will not affect an overheating problem. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim H. Thompson 
  To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' 
  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"


  Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs 
aluminum is a break even.

  Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not 
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of 
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a 
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come to 
the back lip of your shroud.  

   

  Jim

   

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  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
  To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
  Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

   

  Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
   
  Thanks,
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-30 Thread gm66 
 I suggest you purchase a desert radiator or a standard one with more core. gm66

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What I mean by overheating is that the temp rises substantially at idle and if 
I let it idle long enough, it would eventually bubble over (but I never let it 
get that hot). I do have a shroud and the radiator is 2 years old and is a 
4-core. I have the standard clutch fan(new clutch) and also a small pusher fan 
outside of the condenser.


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:55:12 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
The aluminum will help. I suggest Alumitech Reproductions...I just installed 
one into my 67 Nova, and it looks beautiful, and fit perfect. 
www.chevellecooling.com is the website I believe. They do make high flow water 
pumps. However just because it flows more, doesn't mean its better. It might 
cause it to flow too fast, in that the water wont have a chance to cool in the 
radiator, making your car even hotter. What does your cooling system consist of 
now? How old is your radiator? Do you have electric fans, or a clutch fan?

-Original Message-From: tabius barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42 amSubject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a 
"high flow water pump?"


Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help? Thanks,tbDallas

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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-30 Thread Jim H. Thompson 
Test show that if you have the proper capacity radiator that copper vs
aluminum is a break even.

Go to a 160 thermostat, flush the block, make sure your hoses are not
collapsing inside (do not take out that bottom spring). Test the pressure of
your radiator cap that's important for your over flow system.  If you have a
clutch fan replace with an aluminum flex fan. Make sure your fan blades come
to the back lip of your shroud.  

 

Jim

 

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Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:42 PM
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

 

Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle
(stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really
found a high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and
how much? Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
 
Thanks,
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-30 Thread bad66chevelle454 

 H. Something is wrong there, which you obviously know that. If I were you, 
call Alumitech Reproductions, and he will get you squared away. I sat there and 
talked to him for a good half hour when I was ordering my radiator. Super nice 
and super smart guy. He's honest, and he wouldn't sell yah something you dont 
need. 


 


 

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Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"













What I mean by overheating is that the temp rises substantially at idle and if 
I let it idle long enough, it would eventually bubble over (but I never let it 
get that hot). I do have a shroud and the radiator is 2 years old and is a 
4-core.?I have the standard clutch fan(new clutch) and also a small pusher fan 
outside of the condenser.







To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:55:12 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"



The aluminum will help. I suggest Alumitech Reproductions...I just installed 
one into my 67 Nova, and it looks beautiful, and fit perfect. 
www.chevellecooling.com is the website I believe. 

They do make high flow water pumps. However just because it flows more, doesn't 
mean its better. It might cause it to flow too fast, in that the water wont 
have a chance to cool in the radiator, making your car even hotter. 

What does your cooling system consist of now? How old is your radiator? Do you 
have electric fans, or a clutch fan?









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To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42 am
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"





Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
?
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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-30 Thread tabius barrett 

What I mean by overheating is that the temp rises substantially at idle and if 
I let it idle long enough, it would eventually bubble over (but I never let it 
get that hot). I do have a shroud and the radiator is 2 years old and is a 
4-core. I have the standard clutch fan(new clutch) and also a small pusher fan 
outside of the condenser.


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 30 May 2008 14:55:12 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"
The aluminum will help. I suggest Alumitech Reproductions...I just installed 
one into my 67 Nova, and it looks beautiful, and fit perfect. 
www.chevellecooling.com is the website I believe. They do make high flow water 
pumps. However just because it flows more, doesn't mean its better. It might 
cause it to flow too fast, in that the water wont have a chance to cool in the 
radiator, making your car even hotter. What does your cooling system consist of 
now? How old is your radiator? Do you have electric fans, or a clutch fan?

-Original Message-From: tabius barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42 amSubject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a 
"high flow water pump?"


Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help? Thanks,tbDallas

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2008-05-30 Thread bad66chevelle454 

 The aluminum will help. I suggest Alumitech Reproductions...I just installed 
one into my 67 Nova, and it looks beautiful, and fit perfect. 
www.chevellecooling.com is the website I believe. 

They do make high flow water pumps. However just because it flows more, doesn't 
mean its better. It might cause it to flow too fast, in that the water wont 
have a chance to cool in the radiator, making your car even hotter. 

What does your cooling system consist of now? How old is your radiator? Do you 
have electric fans, or a clutch fan?


 


 

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From: tabius barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 11:42 am
Subject: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"













Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time 
over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember 
someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better 
than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle (stop 
light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really found a 
high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and how much? 
Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?

?

Thanks,

tbDallas



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Re: [Chevelle-list] Is there really a "high flow water pump?"

2008-05-30 Thread Rick Schaefer 
  Do a google search for Stewart water pumps web site.They are one of
the premier names in water pumps.  They have info on their web site that
explains the differences in pumps. Not cheap but good quality and I'm sure
that they have one for a BB.   Whether its better or not , you'll have to
decide.

   Do you have a fan shroud?   If so, does the fan extend half way into
it?Aluminum fan will probably help, but there are plenty of people
running a BB with stock radiator & fan who don't have overheating
problems.   There may be a simpler solution.   Have you had the existing
radiator cleaned? And what do you mean by overheating?  Water & steam
out the overflow or the temp rises?

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wrote:

> Hello all...I have a 71 SS 402 and I am still fighting the summer time
> over-heat monster. I plan to order an aluminum radiator soon but I remember
> someone telling me that the so-called "high flow" water pumps are no better
> than a standard water pump. My overheating seems to really occur at idle
> (stop light, traffic, etc.). So here is the question: Has anyone really
> found a high-flow water pump for my car and if so, where can i get it and
> how much? Also, do you think the aluminum radiator will help?
>
> Thanks,
> tbDallas
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