Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
Are you guys familiar with the Powermaster 9000 starters? There are two fat connectors at the end of the solenoid. I assume that the other big connection at the end of the starter is for ground connection? (I didn't do the initial installation and assumed that I should be this way) Right now is the starter only grounded via the block. Could that be the problem? My plans for today! Add groundstraps to the frame firewall to a total of four All around the engine. Run a separate heavy gauge ground cable from the connection on the block to the starters second connection. (If that's what it's for?) Run a new super heavy gauge cable from the battery to the junction on the enginblock. Add a relay to control the starter rather than letting the Ignitionkey take the load! Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För D.R. Jones Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 03:37 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Check each cell and as Mark wrote you will very likely find a weak one, if all connections and grounds are good. If the battery is a Ford truck battery it will never work correctly. D.R. Jones Mark Tibbits wrote: The batt might have a week cell in it. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really don't know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so it's ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though it's supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle
Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
Pelle, There is no ground connection post on the starter. Don't hook a ground up as both posts are positive. Look closely and you will see they are linked together. The starter grounds via it's mounting to the block. If you are thinking that you have a bad ground, try using a jumper cable from the battery negative to a starter mounting bolt. That will eliminate a ground issue if one exists. Mike - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Are you guys familiar with the Powermaster 9000 starters? There are two fat connectors at the end of the solenoid. I assume that the other big connection at the end of the starter is for ground connection? (I didn't do the initial installation and assumed that I should be this way) Right now is the starter only grounded via the block. Could that be the problem? My plans for today! Add groundstraps to the frame firewall to a total of four All around the engine. Run a separate heavy gauge ground cable from the connection on the block to the starters second connection. (If that's what it's for?) Run a new super heavy gauge cable from the battery to the junction on the enginblock. Add a relay to control the starter rather than letting the Ignitionkey take the load! Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För D.R. Jones Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 03:37 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Check each cell and as Mark wrote you will very likely find a weak one, if all connections and grounds are good. If the battery is a Ford truck battery it will never work correctly. D.R. Jones Mark Tibbits wrote: The batt might have a week cell in it. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really don't know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so it's ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though it's supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
Ok! Too bad because that was one of my last hopes ;-) I'm thinking about to just scrap the starter buy a new one!? I'll hook up a few more ground straps and see and try a third battery From my other GM (Opel) Actually I don't think the ground is the problem but one never knows. The cable from the battery to the engineblock is approx 1/2'' thick that ought to be enough? Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Mike Holleman Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 14:09 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Pelle, There is no ground connection post on the starter. Don't hook a ground up as both posts are positive. Look closely and you will see they are linked together. The starter grounds via it's mounting to the block. If you are thinking that you have a bad ground, try using a jumper cable from the battery negative to a starter mounting bolt. That will eliminate a ground issue if one exists. Mike - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Are you guys familiar with the Powermaster 9000 starters? There are two fat connectors at the end of the solenoid. I assume that the other big connection at the end of the starter is for ground connection? (I didn't do the initial installation and assumed that I should be this way) Right now is the starter only grounded via the block. Could that be the problem? My plans for today! Add groundstraps to the frame firewall to a total of four All around the engine. Run a separate heavy gauge ground cable from the connection on the block to the starters second connection. (If that's what it's for?) Run a new super heavy gauge cable from the battery to the junction on the enginblock. Add a relay to control the starter rather than letting the Ignitionkey take the load! Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För D.R. Jones Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 03:37 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Check each cell and as Mark wrote you will very likely find a weak one, if all connections and grounds are good. If the battery is a Ford truck battery it will never work correctly. D.R. Jones Mark Tibbits wrote: The batt might have a week cell in it. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really don't know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so it's ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though it's supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
That should be a big enough cable. Try the jumper cable from batt, neg. to the starter. That will test your ground connections. Powermaster will stand behind their starter if it is less than a year old. Anyway, good luck. Mike - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Ok! Too bad because that was one of my last hopes ;-) I'm thinking about to just scrap the starter buy a new one!? I'll hook up a few more ground straps and see and try a third battery From my other GM (Opel) Actually I don't think the ground is the problem but one never knows. The cable from the battery to the engineblock is approx 1/2'' thick that ought to be enough? Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Mike Holleman Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 14:09 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Pelle, There is no ground connection post on the starter. Don't hook a ground up as both posts are positive. Look closely and you will see they are linked together. The starter grounds via it's mounting to the block. If you are thinking that you have a bad ground, try using a jumper cable from the battery negative to a starter mounting bolt. That will eliminate a ground issue if one exists. Mike - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:25 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Are you guys familiar with the Powermaster 9000 starters? There are two fat connectors at the end of the solenoid. I assume that the other big connection at the end of the starter is for ground connection? (I didn't do the initial installation and assumed that I should be this way) Right now is the starter only grounded via the block. Could that be the problem? My plans for today! Add groundstraps to the frame firewall to a total of four All around the engine. Run a separate heavy gauge ground cable from the connection on the block to the starters second connection. (If that's what it's for?) Run a new super heavy gauge cable from the battery to the junction on the enginblock. Add a relay to control the starter rather than letting the Ignitionkey take the load! Pelle -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För D.R. Jones Skickat: den 4 juli 2006 03:37 Till: The Chevelle Mailing List Ämne: Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( Check each cell and as Mark wrote you will very likely find a weak one, if all connections and grounds are good. If the battery is a Ford truck battery it will never work correctly. D.R. Jones Mark Tibbits wrote: The batt might have a week cell in it. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really don't know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so it's ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though it's supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/381 - Release Date: 7/3/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
Pelle, It could be several things, but most likely the starter itself. Did you shim the starter as per instructions? The fact that it fails after several tries might indicate the coil (starter drive coil)is heating and breaking down. It should only take 700 or 800 starting amps. I use Tiltons super starters. So far they have never let me down. You might try a stock starter and see if the problem goes away or changes. Even new starters can be faulty. Mike - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 5:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really dont know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so its ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though its supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.8/380 - Release Date: 6/30/2006
Re: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-(
The batt might have a week cell in it. - Original Message - From: Pelle Andersson To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:24 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Still having starter problems :-( I really dont know what to do now! The battery is fairly new (approx one year old). The starter is new. All cables are new. The ground straps are new. The problem is that I can only engage the starter 3-5 times when the battery I absolutely fresh charged. After 3-5 times the starter begins to hit the flex plate. If I charge the battery for an hour or so its ok again! The starter looks ok, so does the flexplate. How many cold start amps is needed for a powermaster mini starter? It is as if the battery is a bit too weak even though its supposed to be a truck battery!? Any input would be appreciated! B.R. Pelle
