Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
In a message dated 10/8/2003 9:29:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready. So the Variprime can stay on and you spray primer over that? Sand first? Thanks. Pete Geurds 64 Chevelle(s)
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Pete.. Vari Prime goes over Bare Metal.. You then Prime over it . Dupont has a Tech sheet on there Web regarding flash times and over coat. typically I over shoot itwithUro Prime in 20 min..At least TWO GOOD COATS.. it needs no sanding for this top coat application.. Wayne ACES # 1556 TC # 186 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) In a message dated 10/8/2003 9:29:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready.So the Variprime can stay on and you spray primer over that?Sand first?Thanks.Pete Geurds64 Chevelle(s)
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
I read in Car Craft a couple of years ago that if the car will sit for awhile with just primer, You don't want to use a lacquer. Lacquer will absorb moisture over time. Especially in the winter. Use an epoxy primer. The link belowis about restoring a Morgan. Pay attention to the last paragraph. Hope that helps you to decide. http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/art018.html Rich - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Is that to say that I dont need to spray a sealer type primer (epoxy primer?) to keep it from rusting? What about what they call metal prep?I thought I would be able to work any small imperfections out after the sealer type prime was on? Is that true?Can you recomend any good readings on this?Thanks again for all your help! In a message dated 10/8/03 8:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready.Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PMSubject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)Many are the question of the amateur.I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?)What kind of primer should one use?Can you use spoting putty on top of primer?Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Vari Prime or anybody's self etching primer is designed to chemically etch bare metal to both seal and aid adhesion. There should be no rust after the etching primer if you have removed it first. The metal prep I am familiar with is a rust converter, not a sealer. Once etched,you can continue working on the body. Just reapply afterwards to areas of bare metal. A PPGcompany, Specialty Coatings, has the etching primer in anspray can for about 8 bucks a can. This is real handy for redoing small areas as you go. Keep in mind that this process does not replace priming for paint. It just keeps the rust away until you are ready to prime and paint.Hope this helps. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Is that to say that I dont need to spray a sealer type primer (epoxy primer?) to keep it from rusting? What about what they call metal prep?I thought I would be able to work any small imperfections out after the sealer type prime was on? Is that true?Can you recomend any good readings on this?Thanks again for all your help! In a message dated 10/8/03 8:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready.Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PMSubject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)Many are the question of the amateur.I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?)What kind of primer should one use?Can you use spoting putty on top of primer?Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Thanks thats great, can any of you body gooruus confirm this info below. For exterior metal (usually the body) any of the automotive grade enamel or lacquer primers and paints can be used. However, a lacquer primer does not inhibit rust. If the part is to remain unpainted for any length if time, the primer will absorb water and the metal will rust under the paint. DuPont as a relatively new primer called "Vera prime". It is supposedly a polyurethane with an etchant that when dry seals the metal from any water. Thus competes a quick course in fighting rust. Enjoy your Morgan John Return to the Index of Tech. articles To email me with comments or questions. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read in Car Craft a couple of years ago that if the car will sit for awhile with just primer, You don't want to use a lacquer. Lacquer will absorb moisture over time. Especially in the winter. Use an epoxy primer. The link below is about restoring a Morgan. Pay attention to the last paragraph. Hope that helps you to decide. http://www.team.net/www/morgan/tech/art018.html Rich - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Is that to say that I dont need to spray a sealer type primer (epoxy primer?) to keep it from rusting? What about what they call metal prep? I thought I would be able to work any small imperfections out after the sealer type prime was on? Is that true? Can you recomend any good readings on this? Thanks again for all your help! In a message dated 10/8/03 8:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Many are the question of the amateur. I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?) What kind of primer should one use? Can you use spoting putty on top of primer? Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allowsfor good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Many are the question of the amateur.I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?)What kind of primer should one use?Can you use spoting putty on top of primer?Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Is that to say that I dont need to spray a sealer type primer (epoxy primer?) to keep it from rusting? What about what they call metal prep? I thought I would be able to work any small imperfections out after the sealer type prime was on? Is that true? Can you recomend any good readings on this? Thanks again for all your help! In a message dated 10/8/03 8:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Many are the question of the amateur. I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?) What kind of primer should one use? Can you use spoting putty on top of primer? Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
Hey guys, I'm really glad this subject was brought up. I am at the point with my 66 where I'm needing to think about how to prep all of the metal. It would be great if someone could give an explanation of the different types of primers,sealers, rust encapsulators, etc.. and their applications for different types of topcoats. It's my understanding ( please correct me if I'm mistaken) that an etching primer (a.k.a.. wash primer) is to be used over bare metal to prime and help prevent rust. Does this basically do the same rust prevention as Ospho, or Metal Prep? If you plan on using any body filler you will then have to use an epoxy primer (such as DP90) over the etching primer?? Is an epoxy primer such as DP90 (DP90LF) considered a 2K primer?Where does POR the like enter the equation? Can you coat body sheet metal with these rust encapsulators or are they only good for floors and insides of fenders and such? (places that won't need any filler or finish sanding done to them). Sorry if these questions have been asked a bunch before but I have scoured the archives and am still a little confused about what to use when. Thanks! George[EMAIL PROTECTED] TC #1921 ACES #5880 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?) Is that to say that I dont need to spray a sealer type primer (epoxy primer?) to keep it from rusting? What about what they call metal prep?I thought I would be able to work any small imperfections out after the sealer type prime was on? Is that true?Can you recomend any good readings on this?Thanks again for all your help! In a message dated 10/8/03 8:29:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Get a good self etching primer, like Dupont Vari prime. Spray a very light coat over all metal surfaces. You will still be able to see through the primer for any additional work needed. Self etching will keep the bare metal from rusting and allows for good adhesion when you shoot your primer once you are ready.Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 8:37 PMSubject: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)Many are the question of the amateur.I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?)What kind of primer should one use?Can you use spoting putty on top of primer?Thanks guys!
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
If you hyave it down to bare metal ya better prime it right away. Any length of time that you have bare metal exposed to the elements, even in a garage, the decay process will begin.
Re: [Chevelle-list] bare metal( will primer seal from rusting?)
In a message dated 10/7/2003 8:39:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many are the question of the amateur.I have my 66 down to bare metal with most of the body work done. Can I have it primered or do it myself to keep it from rusting?(will the primer seal it?)What kind of primer should one use?Can you use spoting putty on top of primer?Thanks guys! If the car is in a garage (assuming it is) just use some cheapo spray can primer. If you plan on doing the bodywork yourself, go to an automotive paint supply store and get a 2 part epoxy primer, shoot the whole car with it and then do your bodywork. The bondo sticks to it better than bare metal. I left my 69 in the garage in bare metal form for a few months and it never rusted. Tom
