RE: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
http://www.buicks.net/techref/ftecref1.html This is not bad... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of yenkochevelle Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:01 AM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Glass-sealer..Even with the rope type seal the glass will move on you after install. An auto glass installer told me to use little rubber blocks in the glass track to locate the glass. When I put my glass in I made my own little rubber blocks and the glass sits nice and has been in over 5 yrs with no problem. It took some time trial and error to get it but now the trim fits right. If you don;t spend the time on glass install you get poor fitting window trim that won;t look right - Original Message - From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Matt Some thoughts from my 1968 SS restoration, after dealing with 2 bodyshops. First one I had to sue in court and the second turned out to be the best in the area. I never thought about the windshield and back window. But when the car was completed, I noticed both glass were about 1/4 lower (deeper) than the trim and the trim had a big gap. Also, the sealer had compressed beyond the trim and was visible in many spots! All other properly installed windows have the trim touching the glass. They had used urethane sealer instead of rope spacers! Summer heat had allowed the glass to press the sealer too much while wet. I insisted they repair this but they balked due to the problems involved with removing/reworking both glass on an otherwise perfect restoration. Plus they said nobody uses rope any more (not true). Everything was corrected without problems but it is something one may want to ask about, possibly using an auto glass shop as apposed to the shop mechanics. Steve E 1968 Chevelle SS396 ACES #5494 - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from any of you that have been through this? Any and all comments are appreciated! Thanks, Matt
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
The shop owner also said that he's going to send me digital pictures periodically of the car's progress. To update me on wants being done and for a nice photo album when the car is finished. -Matt At 03:07 PM 11/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: You should visit (but not bug) him often, to keep advised of developing problems and watch work progress to your standard and agreed upon time frame. If he knows what he is doing, and you've given him a completely disassembeled vehicle, he's probably going to beat your chassis restoration by the time he does the body and paint work. Unles the body is already unbolted, the only not smooth part might be when the bolts holding the body to the frame break. I had to repair 3 or 4 on one of my cars, but it was a nice time to have to cut the floor open for the repair. We made sure all those hidden nuts worked really well before the body went back on... ER Matthew Post wrote: Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from any of you that have been through this? Any and all comments are appreciated! Thanks, Matt
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
That totally makes sense. When I removed the rear window, it had two small rubber blocks on the bottom edge. I will probably have an auto glass installer handle that to make sure it is done correctly. Thanks to all for your comments. Everything went smoothly last night. All the body mount bolts came out without trouble except for one, which they torched off. The body is off to the chemical dipper today and will stay in the acid tank for 3 or 4 weeks. I didn't realize it would be that long, but it should come out nice and clean. He probably will beat me on the paint work before I get the chassis done unless I get cranking on it. Now begins the fun part! One interesting thing that happened while I was there, the owner of the shop got a call from the editor of Super Chevy magazine. Terry something or other. They want him to do a project for them. Sounded like an early sixties Plymouth or something. When he got off the phone, he said that he has done work for the magazine in the past and has made a lot of connections with parts suppliers through them. He offered to pass along to me all the discounts he gets without marking anything up for all the stuff I'm going to need. I thought that was pretty cool of him. -Matt At 05:01 AM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Glass-sealer..Even with the rope type seal the glass will move on you after install. An auto glass installer told me to use little rubber blocks in the glass track to locate the glass. When I put my glass in I made my own little rubber blocks and the glass sits nice and has been in over 5 yrs with no problem. It took some time trial and error to get it but now the trim fits right. If you don;t spend the time on glass install you get poor fitting window trim that won;t look right - Original Message - From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Matt Some thoughts from my 1968 SS restoration, after dealing with 2 bodyshops. First one I had to sue in court and the second turned out to be the best in the area. I never thought about the windshield and back window. But when the car was completed, I noticed both glass were about 1/4 lower (deeper) than the trim and the trim had a big gap. Also, the sealer had compressed beyond the trim and was visible in many spots! All other properly installed windows have the trim touching the glass. They had used urethane sealer instead of rope spacers! Summer heat had allowed the glass to press the sealer too much while wet. I insisted they repair this but they balked due to the problems involved with removing/reworking both glass on an otherwise perfect restoration. Plus they said nobody uses rope any more (not true). Everything was corrected without problems but it is something one may want to ask about, possibly using an auto glass shop as apposed to the shop mechanics. Steve E 1968 Chevelle SS396 ACES #5494 - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from any of you that have been through this? Any and all comments are appreciated! Thanks, Matt
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
Three to four weeks in a acid vat !! WOW you would think that all that would be left in that period of time, would be the plastic support straps !! Must be a weak solution Wayne - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop That totally makes sense. When I removed the rear window, it had two small rubber blocks on the bottom edge. I will probably have an auto glass installer handle that to make sure it is done correctly. Thanks to all for your comments. Everything went smoothly last night. All the body mount bolts came out without trouble except for one, which they torched off. The body is off to the chemical dipper today and will stay in the acid tank for 3 or 4 weeks. I didn't realize it would be that long, but it should come out nice and clean. He probably will beat me on the paint work before I get the chassis done unless I get cranking on it. Now begins the fun part! One interesting thing that happened while I was there, the owner of the shop got a call from the editor of Super Chevy magazine. Terry something or other. They want him to do a project for them. Sounded like an early sixties Plymouth or something. When he got off the phone, he said that he has done work for the magazine in the past and has made a lot of connections with parts suppliers through them. He offered to pass along to me all the discounts he gets without marking anything up for all the stuff I'm going to need. I thought that was pretty cool of him. -Matt At 05:01 AM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Glass-sealer..Even with the rope type seal the glass will move on you after install. An auto glass installer told me to use little rubber blocks in the glass track to locate the glass. When I put my glass in I made my own little rubber blocks and the glass sits nice and has been in over 5 yrs with no problem. It took some time trial and error to get it but now the trim fits right. If you don;t spend the time on glass install you get poor fitting window trim that won;t look right - Original Message - From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Matt Some thoughts from my 1968 SS restoration, after dealing with 2 bodyshops. First one I had to sue in court and the second turned out to be the best in the area. I never thought about the windshield and back window. But when the car was completed, I noticed both glass were about 1/4 lower (deeper) than the trim and the trim had a big gap. Also, the sealer had compressed beyond the trim and was visible in many spots! All other properly installed windows have the trim touching the glass. They had used urethane sealer instead of rope spacers! Summer heat had allowed the glass to press the sealer too much while wet. I insisted they repair this but they balked due to the problems involved with removing/reworking both glass on an otherwise perfect restoration. Plus they said nobody uses rope any more (not true). Everything was corrected without problems but it is something one may want to ask about, possibly using an auto glass shop as apposed to the shop mechanics. Steve E 1968 Chevelle SS396 ACES #5494 - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
Yeah, we can probably thank the EPA for the weaker solution and higher cost to have it done. -Matt At 04:01 PM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Three to four weeks in a acid vat !! WOW you would think that all that would be left in that period of time, would be the plastic support straps !! Must be a weak solution Wayne - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop That totally makes sense. When I removed the rear window, it had two small rubber blocks on the bottom edge. I will probably have an auto glass installer handle that to make sure it is done correctly. Thanks to all for your comments. Everything went smoothly last night. All the body mount bolts came out without trouble except for one, which they torched off. The body is off to the chemical dipper today and will stay in the acid tank for 3 or 4 weeks. I didn't realize it would be that long, but it should come out nice and clean. He probably will beat me on the paint work before I get the chassis done unless I get cranking on it. Now begins the fun part! One interesting thing that happened while I was there, the owner of the shop got a call from the editor of Super Chevy magazine. Terry something or other. They want him to do a project for them. Sounded like an early sixties Plymouth or something. When he got off the phone, he said that he has done work for the magazine in the past and has made a lot of connections with parts suppliers through them. He offered to pass along to me all the discounts he gets without marking anything up for all the stuff I'm going to need. I thought that was pretty cool of him. -Matt At 05:01 AM 11/19/2003 -0500, you wrote: Glass-sealer..Even with the rope type seal the glass will move on you after install. An auto glass installer told me to use little rubber blocks in the glass track to locate the glass. When I put my glass in I made my own little rubber blocks and the glass sits nice and has been in over 5 yrs with no problem. It took some time trial and error to get it but now the trim fits right. If you don;t spend the time on glass install you get poor fitting window trim that won;t look right - Original Message - From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Matt Some thoughts from my 1968 SS restoration, after dealing with 2 bodyshops. First one I had to sue in court and the second turned out to be the best in the area. I never thought about the windshield and back window. But when the car was completed, I noticed both glass were about 1/4 lower (deeper) than the trim and the trim had a big gap. Also, the sealer had compressed beyond the trim and was visible in many spots! All other properly installed windows have the trim touching the glass. They had used urethane sealer instead of rope spacers! Summer heat had allowed the glass to press the sealer too much while wet. I insisted they repair this but they balked due to the problems involved with removing/reworking both glass on an otherwise perfect restoration. Plus they said nobody uses rope any more (not true). Everything was corrected without problems but it is something one may want to ask about, possibly using an auto glass shop as apposed to the shop mechanics. Steve E 1968 Chevelle SS396 ACES #5494 - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
Document the car with photographs while it is in the body shop. Also, make frequent visits, at least once a week. That's what I did. Tom
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I'm armed with my digital camera! I've taken lots of before photos. Good idea on the visits. I probably will warn them today to expect to see me around. Thanks! At 04:44 PM 11/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: Document the car with photographs while it is in the body shop. Also, make frequent visits, at least once a week. That's what I did. Tom
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At 01:51 PM 11/18/2003 -0800, you wrote: I'm armed with my digital camera! I've taken lots of before photos. Good idea on the visits. I probably will warn them today to expect to see me around. I wouldn't warn them, just show up. Warning sounds like a threat, and most folks aren't real keen to that. BL
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
You should visit (but not bug) him often, to keep advised of developing problems and watch work progress to your standard and agreed upon time frame. If he knows what he is doing, and you've given him a completely disassembeled vehicle, he's probably going to beat your chassis restoration by the time he does the body and paint work. Unles the body is already unbolted, the only not smooth part might be when the bolts holding the body to the frame break. I had to repair 3 or 4 on one of my cars, but it was a nice time to have to cut the floor open for the repair. We made sure all those hidden nuts worked really well before the body went back on... ER Matthew Post wrote: Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from any of you that have been through this? Any and all comments are appreciated! Thanks, Matt
Re: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop
Matt Some thoughts from my 1968 SS restoration, after dealing with 2 bodyshops. First one I had to sue in court and the second turned out to be the best in the area. I never thought about the windshield and back window. But when the car was completed, I noticed both glass were about 1/4 lower (deeper) than the trim and the trim had a big gap. Also, the sealer had compressed beyond the trim and was visible in many spots! All other properly installed windows have the trim touching the glass. They had used urethane sealer instead of rope spacers! Summer heat had allowed the glass to press the sealer too much while wet. I insisted they repair this but they balked due to the problems involved with removing/reworking both glass on an otherwise perfect restoration. Plus they said nobody uses rope any more (not true). Everything was corrected without problems but it is something one may want to ask about, possibly using an auto glass shop as apposed to the shop mechanics. Steve E 1968 Chevelle SS396 ACES #5494 - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] off to the body shop Well guys, the Chevelle is off to the body shop today! I have spent all my spare time the last few weeks getting her stripped down and ready to go. The engine/trans is out, all the front sheetmetal is off, wiring, interior, windows...everything is off the car. Got her loaded up on a trailer and ready to go to the resto. shop this afternoon. The plan (if all goes smoothly today) is drop the body off at the shop and take the chassis home with me. Then tomorrow the body is going to the chemical stripper for a bath. Hopefully, by Friday I can go see the end result of the dip and figure out all that needs to be done. While the body shop is doing their thing, I'll be doing the resto. on the frame, upgrade the suspension and brakes, and reinstall the powertrain. Then take it back to the body shop for the body to be reassembled. After listening to all the body shop horror stories on this list, I'm a bit nervous about it and have my fingers crossed I've picked the right man for the job. He seems to be on the up and up. And he came highly recommended. I will definitely get everything in writing, but are there any other pointers or words of wisdom from any of you that have been through this? Any and all comments are appreciated! Thanks, Matt
