Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
Schoappied, you are right, linux video production is not like switch the box on, plug the camera in, press a few buttons and *plopp* your video is done. instead, it is an impressive global construction site with myriads of puzzle pieces that constantly change shapes while trying to fit to one another. not quite easy to use. i guess most people here on the list have found out how to build their individual production pipelines each in their own ways. if you need things to be done fast, be ready to pay for it... otherwise, join the fun and build your own. you will get plenty of good advice here on the list, and besides, google is your friend too. :-) cheers, georg On Saturday 06 December 2008 14:13:35 schoappied wrote: Hi, In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there is still a long way to go imho. I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd). I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but difficult commandline apps. I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies. I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They started a consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org Linuxaudio.org has become a core organization in the world of linux audio. They have mailinglist for users to discuss how to work with the different linux audio apps to make music with. They have a mailinglist for developers to discuss how to improve linux audio and make nice linux audio apps. They have a linuxaudio conference each year to educate devs and users about linux audio apps and development. Also the linux audio users share music with eachother here: http://lam.fugal.net/ And they make wiki's and howto's to teach others how to work with audio on linux. (check http://linuxaudio.org/resources ) I think such a core organization is what the world of linux video really needs! If you could realize such a thing, I think linux video will improve a lot in the coming years, cause although I had a difficult week, I still believe in the possibilities of the linux video apps! I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC chatchannels... Don't get me wrong, I will not be the one who will build such a organization. I'm not a video artist or user that much... It's just my vision about how to improve linux video and a serious suggestion for you linux video lovers Thanks and Good luck! \s ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Dr.Kurt Georg Hooss Schoepfung Wandel wissenschaftliche Medienberatung Breite Strasse 6-8, D-23552 Luebeck Fon +49-(0)451-3003-474 (Fax -333) www.kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:13:35 +0100, schoappied [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies. Indeed. I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They started a consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org Linuxaudio.org has become a core organization in the world of linux audio. They have mailinglist for users to discuss how to work with the different linux audio apps to make music with. They have a mailinglist for developers to discuss how to improve linux audio and make nice linux audio apps. They have a linuxaudio conference each year to educate devs and users about linux audio apps and development. Yes, I've been to Linux Audio Conference once, and they are awesome! Video for Linux does not have something in quite the same league. The closest I can think of would be Piksel http://piksel.no/. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] VOB, mpeg, dvd
Thanks, but I constantly get an error 'failed to create the DVD tree, maybe you ran out of disk space' Using DeVeDe, you said? Well, maybe write to devede, or not? ciao! Vale I have enough disk space actually. regards ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] VOB, mpeg, dvd
Valentina Messeri wrote: Thanks, but I constantly get an error 'failed to create the DVD tree, maybe you ran out of disk space' Using DeVeDe, you said? Well, maybe write to devede, or not? I also tried qdvdauthor. But it makes very strange chapters... different order, or some pieces are missing... Disaster... :( ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] How to 'bounce' to another track?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raffaella Traniello schrieb: I can’t find any other reference to bouncing tracks in Cinelerra dox, The PDF manual has a detailed index that can come to the rescue in an emergency. In Cinelerra bouncing is done with shared tracks. Have a look at this section: http://cinelerra.org/docs/cinelerra_cv_manual_en.html#SEC150 It might be useful. ...but sadly, shared tracks are a convoluted, confusing and difficult to use feature. You can do clever tricks by using them at times though. To help dealing with some simpler situations, some time ago I've written a plugin called Reroute, which allows you to build up an alpha chanel on one track and then by help of the plugin apply this alpha channel to another track. Apply here means simply copy it over, replacing the alpha channel of the target track. You need to use this plugin as shared plugin applied to both tracks (search for shared plugin in the manual for an explanation) hope this helps Hermann Vosseler -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJPDXzZbZrB6HelLIRAhORAJ4z4dmFg0wzNKPJ8yuOtReLCJJFBQCg6ZOW oyRVZYMsCKNJVMryIPq3u9k= =PBuk -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 schoappied schrieb: In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there is still a long way to go imho. I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd). I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... you aren't alone! Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but difficult commandline apps. Hi schoappied, yes, indeed, that sounds like a good proposal. Video handling on Linux really could benefit from one central place to watch. And, probably, this central place should not be tied to one of the applications or developer camps. I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies. Regarding developers, Richard Spindler started a mailing list called openvideo and did a terrific job to bring together many of the core developers of the various projects. Indeed, the situation has much changed when compared to 2 or three years ago. We developers realized, there won't be just one application, but we all share the same common problems and can collaborate on the level of exchanging ideas, solution approaches or even library solutions. But, I think I'll be speaking for many developers when saying that my feeling is we have still some way to go and some hard work to do in order to reach such a level of integration which could be titled as the next step for video on linux I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They started a consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org Well, I think, having something comparable for video would be a good thing. But it probably can't be initiated by the developers of a specific application. They are too much focussed on the technical problems (which are exceptionally challenging especially for video). And, moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the formation of several camps in the near future, for example the ffmpegers, the gstreamers, the gmerliners -- well, I am just just conjecturing here! So bottom line is: I think such an initiative should be started from the user's side, i.e. by advanced, interested and open minded users. I wouldn't expect the developers to start such a site. We have more then enough things to tackle sitting right in our code. :-) I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC chatchannels... Hehe, excuse my shameless plug, but guessing from this list it seems you aren't aware of http://Lumiera.org . But anyway, as Lumiera is very closely related to cinelerra, we lumiera devs are hanging out here too ;-) Thanks for bringing up this topic Hermann Vosseler (aka Ichthyo) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJPDzZZbZrB6HelLIRAp69AKD3xe7UNV7bIbX/AphEsef9yLpRkwCgy54q ZGwYxY7P311mBl+IhoV8wWE= =QRJH -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] [OT] ITheora
Raffaella Traniello wrote: If you don't know it already you might be interested in checking its home page at http://menguy.aymeric.free.fr/theora/index.php ITheora is an amazing PHP script that allows you to play and stream ogg video files on your website, local or from an external source. You know there is also a Theora player in Java? Stefan ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the w orld of linuxvideo together....!!?!
Sorry guys for my intromision but I want to say some general answer for that kind of questions what are asking this guy. Yes there are a lot of applications but you can choose just a few for work and that is all. If you want to do a lot of different kind of works you need a lot of different applications too. But if you do some specific work you need some specific applications only. Try all what you want first, and later choose only a few that do all what you need. For example I edit video with Cinelerra. Export the edited video in two separate files: Video only in avi MJPEG, and Audio only in PCM WAV. Next I open that both with avidemux2 and encode with it. That is all, I have a finished video. Next if I want it in a DVD I use QDVDAuthor. That steps let me more flexibility. If you don't want to use avidemux2 (because you always want your videos encoded in only one kind of encoder) you just can create your own script that run ffmpeg, mencoder, or mpeg2enc, whathever you want to use to convert it automatically. The same for DVD if you only want one kind of DVD style you don't need QDVDAuthor to edit it one and one more time, you just can create one script that do it all using dvdauthor only. When you are ready with that you can forget about using a lot of applications, you only need to export your video/audio and run two scripts. That is not the most flexible (and perfect) solution but let you do the work and don't make you lost time using a lot of applications. Bye. On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:15:05 +0100, Ichthyostega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 schoappied schrieb: In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there is still a long way to go imho. I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd). I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... you aren't alone! Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but difficult commandline apps. Hi schoappied, yes, indeed, that sounds like a good proposal. Video handling on Linux really could benefit from one central place to watch. And, probably, this central place should not be tied to one of the applications or developer camps. I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies. Regarding developers, Richard Spindler started a mailing list called openvideo and did a terrific job to bring together many of the core developers of the various projects. Indeed, the situation has much changed when compared to 2 or three years ago. We developers realized, there won't be just one application, but we all share the same common problems and can collaborate on the level of exchanging ideas, solution approaches or even library solutions. But, I think I'll be speaking for many developers when saying that my feeling is we have still some way to go and some hard work to do in order to reach such a level of integration which could be titled as the next step for video on linux I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They started a consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org Well, I think, having something comparable for video would be a good thing. But it probably can't be initiated by the developers of a specific application. They are too much focussed on the technical problems (which are exceptionally challenging especially for video). And, moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the formation of several camps in the near future, for example the ffmpegers, the gstreamers, the gmerliners -- well, I am just just conjecturing here! So bottom line is: I think such an initiative should be started from the user's side, i.e. by advanced, interested and open minded users. I wouldn't expect the developers to start such a site. We have more then enough things to tackle sitting right in our code. :-) I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC chatchannels... Hehe, excuse my shameless plug, but guessing from this list it seems you aren't aware of http://Lumiera.org . But anyway, as Lumiera is very closely related to cinelerra, we lumiera devs are hanging out here too ;-) Thanks for bringing up this topic Hermann Vosseler (aka Ichthyo) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
Re: [CinCV] [OT] ITheora
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Stefan de Konink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raffaella Traniello wrote: If you don't know it already you might be interested in checking its home page at http://menguy.aymeric.free.fr/theora/index.php ITheora is an amazing PHP script that allows you to play and stream ogg video files on your website, local or from an external source. You know there is also a Theora player in Java? ITheora uses Cortado if you don't support Ogg Theora native. I'm using ITheora on my website now (both norwegian and the english) -- however, Windows and OS X people can't make it work. So I'm still stuck. :-( It's too bad. But I'm none to big fan of Theora anyway, -- Dirac looks way better. And come to it, I only use open source code, but x264 is OSS, so I've no problem using that. But I would like to have some solution that *just works*. And I don't like flash being that it's too proprietary (yes, I use Gnash, but we need an open standard for these things). So if I can get ITheora to work as expected that would be great. I've used Cortado much on my website earlier, but stopped when Mac users complained that it made their computers reboot (wow). -- Beste helsing, Odin Hørthe Omdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.velmont.net ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Help needed...
Ok, brace yourself ;) I've a dvd here... it's a funeral, not a very sad one cause my grandma has reach the age of 99... ;) It's a dutch traditional funeral... A friend om my father has made a dvd but in the first chapter and the first half of the second are not good synchronized.. That's a pity cause its contains talks from my father and his sister. I tried to get it right with cinelerra, kdenlive, videotrans, qdvdauthor, avidemux and devede... But I didn't succeed and I have definitely reach my limit after one full week work on it... The dvd contains these files: cdrom0/VIDEO_TS$ ls VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.IFO VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB VTS_01_3.VOB VTS_01_4.VOB VTS_01_5.VOB These files need to be edit (e.g. synchronize the sound and video, the sound should be 'delayed' with -1,6 sec) TS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB I'm mailing you guys cause maybe there is someone on the list who is a experience video editor and can help me out with it in a pretty short time. If so, I would be really glad. I can send you the files and maybe you can make a *.iso file of it and send it back. Thanks in advance, \s ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Help needed...
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 00:24 +0100, schoappied wrote: synchronize the sound and video, the sound should be 'delayed' with -1,6 sec Synchronization of audio and video streams on .vob files is still a mysterious beast for me. On the contrary ManDVD seems to be very confident with it: it has an option for adjusting it manually, for every title. I wonder if loading your two vob files as titles and making a DVD structure out of them it can give you a couple of new good .vob files you can use for a new authoring. Good luck! Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
I was going to post this to the cinelerra list but it's prescient to this conversation, I just finished a Debian post install script to simplify system configuration for content creation. Not quite ready for primetime but it works.:-) http://reggaecobras.com/linuxvideo/ ciao Daniel On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Germán Andrés Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry guys for my intromision but I want to say some general answer for that kind of questions what are asking this guy. Yes there are a lot of applications but you can choose just a few for work and that is all. If you want to do a lot of different kind of works you need a lot of different applications too. But if you do some specific work you need some specific applications only. Try all what you want first, and later choose only a few that do all what you need. For example I edit video with Cinelerra. Export the edited video in two separate files: Video only in avi MJPEG, and Audio only in PCM WAV. Next I open that both with avidemux2 and encode with it. That is all, I have a finished video. Next if I want it in a DVD I use QDVDAuthor. That steps let me more flexibility. If you don't want to use avidemux2 (because you always want your videos encoded in only one kind of encoder) you just can create your own script that run ffmpeg, mencoder, or mpeg2enc, whathever you want to use to convert it automatically. The same for DVD if you only want one kind of DVD style you don't need QDVDAuthor to edit it one and one more time, you just can create one script that do it all using dvdauthor only. When you are ready with that you can forget about using a lot of applications, you only need to export your video/audio and run two scripts. That is not the most flexible (and perfect) solution but let you do the work and don't make you lost time using a lot of applications. Bye. On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:15:05 +0100, Ichthyostega [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 schoappied schrieb: In this week I did my first video project on Linux. And besides the fact that there are a lot of possibilities and changes for linux video, there is still a long way to go imho. I used for about 5 different apps to get something done (e.g. synchronize video and sound and get it on a dvd). I had to face apps who couldn't deal with certain files formats and apps which contains a lot of bugs, some come abroad after 5 hours work... you aren't alone! Other apps where quite difficult to use, especially the powerful but difficult commandline apps. Hi schoappied, yes, indeed, that sounds like a good proposal. Video handling on Linux really could benefit from one central place to watch. And, probably, this central place should not be tied to one of the applications or developer camps. I don't have much experience with video editing on Linux. But I read a couple of articles about it last week and it seems that linux video is not as good as it should be... especially not for newbies. Regarding developers, Richard Spindler started a mailing list called openvideo and did a terrific job to bring together many of the core developers of the various projects. Indeed, the situation has much changed when compared to 2 or three years ago. We developers realized, there won't be just one application, but we all share the same common problems and can collaborate on the level of exchanging ideas, solution approaches or even library solutions. But, I think I'll be speaking for many developers when saying that my feeling is we have still some way to go and some hard work to do in order to reach such a level of integration which could be titled as the next step for video on linux I think linux audio was in the same situation some years ago. I do work with linux audio, so I know that situation better. They started a consortium for linux audio users, developers etc. check www.linuxaudio.org Well, I think, having something comparable for video would be a good thing. But it probably can't be initiated by the developers of a specific application. They are too much focussed on the technical problems (which are exceptionally challenging especially for video). And, moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the formation of several camps in the near future, for example the ffmpegers, the gstreamers, the gmerliners -- well, I am just just conjecturing here! So bottom line is: I think such an initiative should be started from the user's side, i.e. by advanced, interested and open minded users. I wouldn't expect the developers to start such a site. We have more then enough things to tackle sitting right in our code. :-) I will send this email to the lists of Cinelerra, kdenlive, openmovieeditor and kino. I'll also post a message in some IRC chatchannels... Hehe, excuse my shameless
Re: [CinCV] Help needed...
I know a form: Use avidemux2 and just choose audio delay=-1600 On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:24:44 +0100, schoappied [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, brace yourself ;) I've a dvd here... it's a funeral, not a very sad one cause my grandma has reach the age of 99... ;) It's a dutch traditional funeral... A friend om my father has made a dvd but in the first chapter and the first half of the second are not good synchronized.. That's a pity cause its contains talks from my father and his sister. I tried to get it right with cinelerra, kdenlive, videotrans, qdvdauthor, avidemux and devede... But I didn't succeed and I have definitely reach my limit after one full week work on it... The dvd contains these files: cdrom0/VIDEO_TS$ ls VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.IFO VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB VTS_01_3.VOB VTS_01_4.VOB VTS_01_5.VOB These files need to be edit (e.g. synchronize the sound and video, the sound should be 'delayed' with -1,6 sec) TS_01_1.VOB VTS_01_2.VOB I'm mailing you guys cause maybe there is someone on the list who is a experience video editor and can help me out with it in a pretty short time. If so, I would be really glad. I can send you the files and maybe you can make a *.iso file of it and send it back. Thanks in advance, \s ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- Administrador de la red Cielo Aragua ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
Hi, On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 22:15 +0100, Ichthyostega wrote: Regarding developers, Richard Spindler started a mailing list called openvideo and did a terrific job to bring together many of the core developers of the various projects. That sounds interesting. I certainly didn't know about that. Where is the list hosted and where can I subscribe? Thanks a lot. :) Yours sincerely, Dennis Schulmeister -- Dennis Schulmeister - Schifferstr. 1 - 76189 Karlsruhe - Germany Tel: +49 721/5978883 - Mob: +49 152/01994400 - eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now moved to the corridor: Hermes! (http://ncc-1701a.homelinux.net) Besides that: http://www.denchris.de - http://www.motagator.net/bands/65 GnuPG KeyIDs: B8382C97, 01AD62DE ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] www.linuxvideo.org (?) to bring the world of linuxvideo together....!!?!
On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 07:08:19 +0100, Dennis Schulmeister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 22:15 +0100, Ichthyostega wrote: Regarding developers, Richard Spindler started a mailing list called openvideo and did a terrific job to bring together many of the core developers of the various projects. That sounds interesting. I certainly didn't know about that. Where is the list hosted and where can I subscribe? It's invite only, and not archived online. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
