[CinCV] Updated Cinelerra PPA

[David Armstrong]

Just got a PPA update on Ubuntu. Well Done!

Is anyone able to advise what is in the updated version?

cheers
David



On 12/10/13 07:08, Einar Rünkaru wrote:

Hi.

Pushed the following patches
# Fix in File::read_frame calling of cmodel_transfer 

# Increment the year in copyright message 

# Fixed compilation on Arch Linux 


#

# Einar



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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra & Ubuntu 13.04

[David Armstrong]

I did a clean install of 12.10 on another machine, and the PPA installed 
and Cinelerra appears to run fine (yet to put it through any tough stuff).


Think it might have been the 13.04 install - supposedly an install on 
top of the old install, but I reckon there are some remnants left 
behind,  When I get to it, I will reinstall clean. But got data to clean 
up first.


cheers
David


On 05/05/13 23:45, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
Earlier builds for 13.04 (raring) in the ppa had dependencies issues 
that are fixed in the current builds.  Cinelerra now installs fine on 
Raring.


I recommend uninstalling Cinelerra, reloading the repos and try 
installing again.




David Armstrong  wrote:

Anyone had success installing or compiling under Ubuntu 13.04?

I've tried both but with two fails.

For compile, I errored with :
//usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libx264.a(common.o): relocation 
R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a 
shared object; recompile with -fPIC//

///usr/local/lib/libx264.a: could not read symbols: Bad value//
//collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status/

Also tried the PPA install. After install, the first error I got 
trying to run was:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory/


Overcame that by installing libjpeg62, but then got:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: 
libmjpegutils-1.9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file 
or directory/


Ubuntu 13.04 has libmjpegutils2.0 in synaptic, which is installed, but 
not v1.9.


So, any suggestions?

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra & Ubuntu 13.04

[David Armstrong]

I checked the repo and confirm it is pointing to the raring ppa.
Uninstalled and re-installed, but same problem.

If I run it from home directory and type 'usr/bin/cinelerra' I get a 
different error to the one below (run from the /usr/bin location)
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.106: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory/


It's a clean install - not an update.  Sorry, not making progress here.


David




On 05/05/13 23:45, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
Earlier builds for 13.04 (raring) in the ppa had dependencies issues 
that are fixed in the current builds.  Cinelerra now installs fine on 
Raring.


I recommend uninstalling Cinelerra, reloading the repos and try 
installing again.




David Armstrong  wrote:

Anyone had success installing or compiling under Ubuntu 13.04?

I've tried both but with two fails.

For compile, I errored with :
//usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libx264.a(common.o): relocation 
R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a 
shared object; recompile with -fPIC//

///usr/local/lib/libx264.a: could not read symbols: Bad value//
//collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status/

Also tried the PPA install. After install, the first error I got 
trying to run was:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory/


Overcame that by installing libjpeg62, but then got:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: 
libmjpegutils-1.9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file 
or directory/


Ubuntu 13.04 has libmjpegutils2.0 in synaptic, which is installed, but 
not v1.9.


So, any suggestions?

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[CinCV] Cinelerra & Ubuntu 13.04

[David Armstrong]

Anyone had success installing or compiling under Ubuntu 13.04?

I've tried both but with two fails.

For compile, I errored with :
//usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libx264.a(common.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 
against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; 
recompile with -fPIC//

///usr/local/lib/libx264.a: could not read symbols: Bad value//
//collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status/

Also tried the PPA install. After install, the first error I got trying 
to run was:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: libjpeg.so.62: cannot 
open shared object file: No such file or directory/


Overcame that by installing libjpeg62, but then got:
/cinelerra: error while loading shared libraries: 
libmjpegutils-1.9.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or 
directory/


Ubuntu 13.04 has libmjpegutils2.0 in synaptic, which is installed, but 
not v1.9.


So, any suggestions?

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Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org

[David Armstrong]

happy to donate, considering the years of use I have obtained from 
Cinelerra.



On 28/04/13 12:01, Christian Thaeter wrote:

Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700
schrieb Richard Baverstock :


Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been
for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the
current leads in the unofficial version.

cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see
below.


If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email
address?

i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php
should still work.


Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is
maintaining the web presence)?

I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and
nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I
stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver
maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server).

Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time
I am planning to write some "Angry Mail" about the current situation of
the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr
covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server
is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump
in here and donate some money to keep the server running.

Further, what nags me MUCH more:
The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did
that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We
really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long
overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the
bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not
change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are
abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some
desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history!

I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who
wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep
the Lights on.

The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another
vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the
cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by
Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership
transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever
gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it
by donations) everything else is carefree.
  



Christian Thäter



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Re: [CinCV] Webcomic Trailer made with Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

Just goes to show you that creativity is not restricted by the Cinelerra 
toolset.
In fact, the value of any NLE is what the operator can do rather than 
what the software can't do.


well done.



On 28/02/13 10:58, Rebecca wrote:

Hey dudes,

Recently I was given the opportunity to make an official trailer for 
Will Brooker's new webcomic - My So Called Secret Identity - and, 
obviously, I made it on Cinelerra (with basic image editing done in 
GIMP).


Anyway, for the curious - www.mysocalledsecretidentity.com - it's 
embedded on the main page.


:)


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Re: [CinCV] installation problem under Linux Mint Debian

[David Armstrong]

Jonathan,

That message means you need to increase the shared memory during your 
work session. You will need to this permanently by updating the 
appropriate setting.


A search of "cinelerra" and "0x7fff" will reveal a few posts 
resolving this.
Perhaps Grandma might be a good starting point: 
http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/installation.html


cheers
David



On 27/01/13 12:51, Jonathan Bush wrote:
I just installed cinelerra-cv 2.2-dmo5 on my Linux Mint Debian system 
with kernel Linux 3.7.0-4.dmz.1-liquorix-amd64.
When I run it, I get a warning message that tells me to echo 
"0x7fff" to /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax
I have no root account so I used sudo, but then bash prevents me from 
accessing that file before I can input my password
I was able to modify the file with sudo emacs, and I entered the 
decimal of 2^31 there. I have 4 GB of RAM BTW.
Cinelerra seemed to work fine after that, but when I rebooted, the 
file shmmax was back to its old low value.
Is there a login script or something I can modify so that I don't have 
to deal with this every time I run Cinelerra?

Should I direct my question to a Linux Mint Debian forum instead?

Thanks in advance.


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Re: [CinCV] Testing release of the Blue Banana color grading/correction filter for CinCV

[David Armstrong]

OK. Installation was easy.
Fired it up and I realise I need a lesson or three in advanced colour 
grading.

It looks powerful, which means a novice really has no idea what is going on!

So any pointers to tutorials and/or notes on how it operates would be 
appreciated.


cheers



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Hello!

I spent the Christmas break writing a color grading and correction
filter for CV named Blue Banana.  A few people on IRC have been trying
it out for about two weeks, and I think it's more or less ready for a
wider audience.  I've put some effort into balancing the techniques
used to give intuitive, measured results rather than just tossing some
basic equations behind a stick-figure UI.

Blue Banana offers slider-based range and non-linear (gamma)
adjustment for red, green, blue, hue, saturation and value.  It
provides feedback both through the compositor window and realtime
color histograms embedded in each adjustment slider. It  can operate
on the entire frame, select specific subset of colors, the current
masked region, or a combination of a selection and a mask.  It is also
able to highlight the selected region with a marching zebra.

Screenshot:
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/blue_banana_builds/bluebanana-20130108.png

The plugin should work on any CinelerraCV 2.x version, including
latest master and my experimental branch.  It will *not* work with the
HV version.  I hope to have some quickstart docs up in the next few
days.

Anyone who wants to try it out quickly can grab a prebuilt plugin:

http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/blue_banana_builds/LATEST

... is a link to a tar.gz file containing the plugin .so.  Simply
place the bluebanana.so file into your Cinelerra library directory
(eg, /usr/local/lib/cinelerra for those of you who have previously
built from source, or /usr/lib/cinelerra, /usr/lib32/cinelerra, or
/usr/lib64/cinelerra depending on your distro).  Restart CinelerraCV
and it should be there.

For those who prefer to build from source, it currently lives in git at:
https://git.xiph.org/?p=users/xiphmont/bluebanana.git;a=summary

The source expects to be added in a new plugin subdirectory under
plugins/ in an existing CinelerraCV checkout.  The subdir will also
need to be added to plugins/Makefile.am.

Einar-- again, sorry, my non-Cinelerra-compliant indent style.  I'll
find a reformatter eventually, I promise. :-)  I also intend to port
the three-way-color correction filter from HV in a bit if no one else
gets to it.

Cheers,
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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[David Armstrong]

The PPA install binary has been prepared for 12.04 (correct me if I am 
wrong).
Haven't heard of anyone compiling under 12.10 yet, and hence overcoming 
any issues likely to occur.


Will let the more technical boffins on this distribution list expand 
further...


BTW, I'm not planning to upgrade my 12.04 at the moment.



On 04/11/12 11:26, Murray Strome wrote:
After reading the Handy Tutorial, Install Cinelerra in Ubuntu 12.04 & 
12.10

http://handytutorial.com/install-cinelerra-in-ubuntu-12-04-12-10/

I decided that it would be best to install the CV version on my newly 
installed Ubuntu 12.10.
However, when I tried to do so following the instructions in the 
tutorial, I get the following error message:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 cinelerra-cv : Depends: libguicast1 (= 1:2.2-0.6~ppa1~quantal1) but 
1:2.2-0.12~ppa1~quantal1 is to be installed
Depends: libmpeg3cine (= 1:2.2-0.6~ppa1~quantal1) but 
1:2.2-0.12~ppa1~quantal1 is to be installed
Depends: libquicktimecine (= 1:2.2-0.6~ppa1~quantal1) 
but 1:2.2-0.12~ppa1~quantal1 is to be installed

E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
--
I then decided to just install the other version (sudo apt-get install 
cinelerra) after adding that repository. It seemed to install OK.


Which version is recommended?  Of course, if I want to use it, my only 
option is the non-CV version.  Is this problem a bug which needs to be 
fixed, or is there something different that I should be doing?


Thanks for any suggestions/advice.

Re: [CinCV] Sound delay problems

[David Armstrong]

I am running 64 bit Ubuntu Studio 12.04
Have installed the pre-compiled ppa version.


On 15/10/12 18:08, cin467-i...@yahoo.de wrote:
Interessting. I got the sound delay with SD material (mjpeg) too. 
Perhaps Ubuntu 12.04 runs not pretty well on my hardware actually.

I will investigate more this evening.
Regards,
Erik

*Von:* David Armstrong 
*An:* cinelerra@skolelinux.no
*Gesendet:* 23:30 Sonntag, 14.Oktober 2012
*Betreff:* Re: [CinCV] Sound delay problems

No sound delay when editing in SD (.dv or .move) or HD (.mov).
When trying to edit directly with .mts HD, I get a delay. Can offset 
audio by about 0.48, and it's close.


If I have talking heads where sync is critical, I reformat into dnxhd 
codec in quicktime (.mov). Everything works better with a cinelerra 
friendly codec.

Only use .mts directly for quick and dirty edits.

cheers
David

On 15/10/12 05:34, cin467-i...@yahoo.de <mailto:cin467-i...@yahoo.de> 
wrote:

Hello,

I am using the latest Cinelerra-cv (64 bit) from the git repo on 
Ubuntu 12.04. I had a lot of problems with audio delay while playing 
the videos in Cinelerra. I tried the recommandation from the Grandma 
manual to switch to esound in the preferences. The result is no sound 
at all.


Playing wiht the delay option (from Grandma too) gave no results too.

I found a possible solution in setting the audio buffers in the 
preferences from 16K to 2k.


I had this problem only on Ubuntu. On Debian 6.04 there were no 
problems with the default setting in Cinelerra.


My questions: Should the esound trick works with Ubuntu 12.04 too 
(any additional changes in Ubuntu needed?)


Why brings lowering the audio buffer good results and will this 
perhaps produce new problems?


Best regards,
Erik

Re: [CinCV] Sound delay problems

[David Armstrong]

No sound delay when editing in SD (.dv or .move) or HD (.mov).
When trying to edit directly with .mts HD, I get a delay. Can offset 
audio by about 0.48, and it's close.


If I have talking heads where sync is critical, I reformat into dnxhd 
codec in quicktime (.mov). Everything works better with a cinelerra 
friendly codec.

Only use .mts directly for quick and dirty edits.

cheers
David

On 15/10/12 05:34, cin467-i...@yahoo.de wrote:

Hello,

I am using the latest Cinelerra-cv (64 bit) from the git repo on 
Ubuntu 12.04. I had a lot of problems with audio delay while playing 
the videos in Cinelerra. I tried the recommandation from the Grandma 
manual to switch to esound in the preferences. The result is no sound 
at all.


Playing wiht the delay option (from Grandma too) gave no results too.

I found a possible solution in setting the audio buffers in the 
preferences from 16K to 2k.


I had this problem only on Ubuntu. On Debian 6.04 there were no 
problems with the default setting in Cinelerra.


My questions: Should the esound trick works with Ubuntu 12.04 too (any 
additional changes in Ubuntu needed?)


Why brings lowering the audio buffer good results and will this 
perhaps produce new problems?


Best regards,
Erik

Re: [CinCV] firewire stack on recent kernels

[David Armstrong]

nothing is returned with lsmod, but with lspci I get:

bod@video:~$ lspci | grep 1394
08:00.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): LSI Corporation FW322/323 (rev 04)
08:06.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 
IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link)


cheers



On 25/09/12 06:43, E Chalaron wrote:

Thanks David

I am after the firewire stack used by IIDC industrial cameras

Any chance you can list any 1394 modules ?
# lsmod | grep 1394

The result will help a lot
Cheers
E


On 09/24/2012 08:14 PM, David Armstrong wrote:

I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and firewire works fine. linux kernel is
3.2.0-21-generic (64bit).

But with 12.10 about to be released, maybe something will break.
What kernel are you running?

 David


On 24/09/12 06:40, E Chalaron wrote:

Hi all

The latest version of opensuse : 3.4.6-2.10-desktop for me

is dumping the ieee1394 and other 1394 modules. They also decided that
libdc1394 was deprecated.
They changed everything for a new firewire stack that does not work for
me..

Do you know a bit more about the kernel evolution re the firewire? or
any distribution with a recent kernel that is still using 1394 modules

Cheers
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Re: [CinCV] firewire stack on recent kernels

[David Armstrong]

I am running Ubuntu 12.04 and firewire works fine. linux kernel is 
3.2.0-21-generic (64bit).


But with 12.10 about to be released, maybe something will break.
What kernel are you running?

David


On 24/09/12 06:40, E Chalaron wrote:

Hi all

The latest version of opensuse : 3.4.6-2.10-desktop for me

is dumping the ieee1394 and other 1394 modules. They also decided that
libdc1394 was deprecated.
They changed everything for a new firewire stack that does not work for
me..

Do you know a bit more about the kernel evolution re the firewire? or
any distribution with a recent kernel that is still using 1394 modules

Cheers
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Re: [CinCV] MTS / Canon AVCHD in Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

FYI, the link works fine for me.
Can you try any of this on another computer?
Sounds like you might have some underlying PC errors.


On 02/09/12 17:57, James Moe wrote:

On 09/01/2012 12:06 PM, Herman Robak wrote:

I explained my workflow in this archive
http://www.mail-archive.com/cinelerra@skolelinux.no/msg13210.html


   The link is broken.

That link works like a charm in my web browser.
could it be a configuration problem on your side?


   I do not understand how it might be. I am using Firefox. It fails in
Chrome and Opera as well.
   The 404 seems a very clear response, complete with a nifty graphic of
an empty file cabinet.




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Re: [CinCV] Difference key + motion tracking

[David Armstrong]

Nicolas,

I have created some "motion graphics" with 'PNG Alpha' codec, and then 
applied that over another video.

But that was with graphical shapes and text.
But have not done that with a moving life-like image.

cheers
David


On 20/08/12 02:58, Nicolas Ecarnot wrote:

Hi there,

It's been a long time I wanted to use both diffkey and tracking to 
play with a cute effect :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeQEG_UNnng

I was wondering : as transparency exist as alpha channel in static 
picture (gif, png...), does the same exist in videos?
I mean, I'm using transparency every time I'm playing with Cinelerra, 
but once my video is rendered, I guess the resulting file has lost any 
transparency information... (or not? I don't know?)
And if this could exist, can Cinelerra re-import a video with an alpha 
channel ?


I'm asking that because the video show here was a mini-struggle, and 
could have been much easier to produce step-by-step, with intermediate 
transparency-capable files...





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Re: [CinCV] MTS / Sony AVCHD in Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

I can load MTS files directly into the timeline, but they are HDV.
Otherwise I too use Grandma's recipe with DNxHD as the intermediate format.

cheers
David


On 16/08/12 13:49, oliver lynton wrote:

Hi Richard.

I have been using Raffaella's excellent code at
http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/get_media_ready.html#_how_to_convert_your_hd_original_files_to_dnxhd
which outputs AVID DNxHD video and RAW 16-bit PCM audio in a .mov
container. High quality and ready for Cinelerra.

Oliver





On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 00:51 +0200, Richard Rasker wrote:

Hello,

I'm trying to use Cinelerra for editing and rendering of Sony-cam .MTS HD
files. Apparently, there's no direct support for the MTS file format yet
in the Cinelerra version I'm running (2.2CV in Linux Mint 13).

I did find the following workaround, based on a lower quality proxy file
for editing and an intermediate file format for rendering:

http://www.renomath.org/ejolson/video/avchd/

Generating a proxy file is no problem, but when I try creating the
intermediate file, I get several errors and messages (even when omitting
the unsupported interlace option in the above page):

$ ffmpeg -threads 4 -i my_video.MTS -r 3/1001 -acodec mp2 -vcodec
mpeg2video -top 1 -flags +ildct+ilme -ab 384k -b 24000k -f mpegts -y
my_video.m2t
...
*** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***
This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a
future release. Please use avconv instead.
...
[mp2 @ 0x12f4340] bitrate 24000 is not allowed in mp2
...
Error while opening encoder for output stream #0.1 - maybe incorrect
parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height ...

So this clearly isn't working. I also tried replacing ffmpeg with
avconv, but that didn't make much of a difference. How can I go about
creating an intermediate HD file for rendering?
Even better would be a way to load .MTS files directly in Cinelerra, of
course -- if I pull in & compile the latest CV version, would that help?

Any tips are appreciated,

Thanks a lot in advance,

Best regards,

Richard Rasker


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Re: [CinCV] Adding fonts to the titler

[David Armstrong]

I just had to add a set of fonts tonight.
Used the ttmkfdir utility, but had to find it on the web first!
That is the easiest and hopefully safest way to add fonts.

David



On 28/06/12 18:09, oliver lynton wrote:

Ciao Raffaella.

I deleted the new unusable one but when opened read simply '0' (example
attached). I am attaching my current 'fonts.dir' which, to add estre
(estre.ttf already in the fonts file) was copy the entry for georgia,
change the names and then paste in the correct alphabetical sequence.
Opened cinelerra 'et voila'.

Don't worry, I knew nothing about font files before this morning. Still
don't know much.

Good luck and let me know how you do. Oliver



On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 08:42 +0200, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

Ciao Oliver!

Thanks for your help.

Unfortunately I have no backup and I do not know fonts enought to edit
the fonts.dir file manually.

I'm dying of curiosity of comparing your working fonts.dir and your
unusable one. Would you be happy to send them both?

Ciao!
Raffaella

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Re: [CinCV] quicktime decode video failed

[David Armstrong]

Randolph,

I don't understand why it is technically complaining, but from 
experience I know that CInelerra works best with

1. quicktime
2. the exact dimensions of the project's configuration (eg 720x576 or 
1280x720 etc.)

3. a non-transport stream codec

And there are plenty of exceptions to points 1 and 3 the above (never 
found an exception to point 2 though).


Suggest you convert the source video into an acceptable intermediate 
codec. For example I use FFMPEG and covert my m2t 720p HD to quicktime 
DNxHD, then cinelerra laps it up. I often import my m2t directly for 
quick and dirty edits.
Check out Grandma's advice : http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/ for 
lots of hints and tips on acceptable codecs.
I too have received that error on many occasions. Cinelerra is not 
perfect. Whereas you can drop just about anything onto a Kdenlive 
timeline, not so with Cinelerra.


If you respond, please advise exactly the technical details of your 
source video (dimensions, container, codec, audio etc.).


cheers
David




On 15/06/12 16:32, Randolph wrote:

Hello,

I would like to know if a solution has been found on the error:

virtual int FileMOV::read_frame(VFrame*): 
quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video failed, result:


I get error message over and over again when loading and playing .mov 
and .avi files. I also saw others getting the same problem:


http://bugs.cinelerra.org/ticket/986
http://bugs.cinelerra.org/ticket/452

I'm using CV 2.2 in OpenSUSE 11.4 and 12.1 x86_64 bit and I'm 
experiencing the same error in both. When I used CV 2.1 in OSS 11.3 
i686 32 bit, I experienced no such error. Please tell me what is wrong 
and how to correct it. Thanks in advance.


Regards,

Randolph

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra on Ubuntu Studio 12.04-RESOLVED

[David Armstrong]

 - I am feeling really guilty now! but pass on my thanks to grandma :)
She's the best grandma either side of the international date line.

well it's winter now (for me), so time to update to 12.04!

BOL with the Short Film Festival - that would make you VERY busy.

cheers!
David



On 02/06/12 21:25, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

Hi David!

On 06/02/2012 05:00 AM, David Armstrong wrote:

gee, hope I don't sound like a nag, but can Grandma be updated for
12.04? Still showing 11.10 as latest Ubuntu.


You are right. I have updated that page now.

Unfortunately the release of the .04 Ubuntus always finds me busy as 
hell since every May I organize an international short film festival 
here in Padua (near Venice, Italy).


Every spring Grandma's pages will always be out of date. Usually 
summer is the period I dedicate to review and update the documents I 
use for my profession.


Thank you for your understanding.

Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] Rendering slower near end of clip than near start.

[David Armstrong]

Interesting?
Out of curiosity I just performed a test with the result being little 
difference between first 30 and last 30 seconds in rendering time.


Please check your render range. You may have a different range selected 
to what you have highlighted or set with in and out points.
Does the rendered result only show the last 30 seconds? How long does a 
full render take?
There will always be differences depending on the amount of effects you 
have layered on a vid, but not that much.


cheers
David


On 05/05/12 13:57, Dean Edmonds wrote:
I have a 30 minute clip that I'm editing in cinelerra. If I render out 
a 3 minute selection from near the start of the clip it takes about 30 
seconds. If I render out a 3 minute selection from near the end of the 
clip it takes about 30 minutes.


Is this expected behaviour? Is there anything I can do to speed up 
renders of segments near the end of a long clip?


Thanx.


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Re: [CinCV] Easy to understand work flows with Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

Murray,

"Cinelerra for Grandma" is a good place to start.

David



On 10/04/12 13:10, Murray Strome wrote:
Thank you for replies to this thread. I have now figured out how to 
use ffmpeg to import good quality video from DVDs recorded on my DVD 
recorders. They are now all NTSC 720X480 either 4:3 or 16:9.


I can import these to Cinelerra (or any of the other LINUX editors) 
but don't really know how to do the next steps.


The first and most important is to simply edit the video to cut out 
certain segments of the .mpg file (e.g. the several minutes of the 
camera swinging around looking at the floor), and then create a new 
high quality .mpg file that I can use anywhere else. If I can get past 
this hurdle, I can then worry about tackling other things like 
transitions, etc..


This involves two things:

 1. How do I cut out segments of the video that I don't want?
 2. What settings do I use to render the results to produce 720X480
NTSC compatible video with audio .mpg file (either 4:3 or 16:9,
depending upon the original)?

I have looked at many of the tutorials but I am probably too dense or 
too senile to really understand how to do this!!!



Thanks for any help.


Murray

Re: [CinCV] video editing machine is dead

[David Armstrong]

Doug,

Sounds like an 8 year old PC would struggle with video editing.
RAM would help, but the CPU may struggle to keep up. HD would out of the 
question.
Maybe your dual core might do it - I had an E6600 which handled SD fine, 
but I upgraded when I went to HD.
Even picking up the opposite of bleeding edge (ie. components new but a 
couple of years out of date), might not set you back too much.


Best of luck,

David

ps. good to hear grandma is still with us!




On 02/04/12 01:31, Douglas Pollard wrote:
My old HP Box with 2.2ghrtz  Asus dual core 64 bit mother board over 
heated and died.  It was limited to I g ram and it ran hot at 225f.  I 
was doing black and white video over an hour long and the machine was 
well over 200F  when half way through. I put this temperature info in 
here as it may be of some use to others.
I have a 2004 IBM Think Centre desktop. 3 ghtz quad core, with 
i386 processors.  I plan to dedicate it as a video editing machine. It 
only has 512 MB of ram but I will upgrade to probably 2g or maybe 4 if 
I can get off the money.  I have a 250G hard drive I can replace the 
old 120 G drive with it. This would seem a nice video editing box.
I loaded a video on Cinelerra to see if could be run at all. It 
runs slowly and very jumpy. Would that likely be due to not having 
enough ram or is something else going on here?  I am using AVlinux 
which I am liking a lot.   I would appreciate any advice if anyone has 
any experience with these IBM machines that would indicate the machine 
might not be suitable.  I also have a Dell dual core 64 bit 2.8 Ghtz 
machine that I could use as a dedicated machine instead.  The only 
thing I see that could be a problem is the drive is small and the 
parts are all proprietary and the drives I have won't install to the 
Dell harnesses.
I have been using ubuntu but am not crazy about the direction it 
is going and do like Avlinux  desktop and configuration. I would 
appreciate any comments that any think might be 
helpful.   
   Thanks, 
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Re: [CinCV] Easy to understand work flows with Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

Murray,

On 19/01/12 08:52, Murray Strome wrote:
*Thanks to David, Haldun and Felix for their comments and suggestions. 
See my comments below.

--
David Armstrong //* wrote:
Murray,

As per Felix and Haldun's reply, the trick is to transcode the raw 
video into a codec that Cinelerra likes.


*Haldun ALTAN //* wrote:
Hello,

I'm on Ubuntu studio 10,04 / 64 and I use EKD (you can get it from 
synaptics) to transcode HD files on DNxHD to use them in cinelerra. It 
works OK. (sound and images.) Then follow instruction on Grandma to 
render in best quality. For me it works.


Haldun

It took me a while to figure out how to download and install EKD. It 
appears that it is only available in French. However, I did find some 
English documentation on the internet. Nevertheless, I have found that 
my .mp4 video shows up with weird colours (skin tones are 
blue/green).  I see this is also the case in some video viewers, such 
as VLC. They are OK in Gnome Player, and some others.  Thus, I 
reverted to using ffmpeg. If I remember correctly, I did something like:


$>ffmpeg -i {input_file.mp4} -b 8500k -s hd1080 {outputfile.mov}

and it seemed to work OK (the q factor seemed to be around 8 -- I 
would prefer to get it down to 2). The resulting file looks good in 
Gnome Player, and also in my Windows software. However, when I load it 
into Cinelerra, in the compositor it only shows a central section of 
the video. It looks OK on the timeline, and the colours look fine.  I 
tried playing with things like zoom, project preferences, etc. but 
could not get the compositor to show the full frame -- any idea what I 
am missing there?


*check the size of the display - you can decrease/increase the display 
size. Sounds like you have the window smaller than the display size.* 
*If the output is Ok then you must have selected the right video size 
(eg 1280x720)*


*felix //* wrote:

Hi Murray

My work flow with Cinelerra first involve converting my video files to
an intermediate codec: Mjpeg. I use the program ffmpeg with a command
line similar to:

ffmpeg -i input_file -vcodec mjpeg -qscale 0 -s 1920x1080 -pix_fmt
yuvj420p -acodec copy output_file

I use a .mov extension for the output file

I then load the files in Cinelerra and edit them.

For rendering I use the following settings:

File format: Quicktime for Linux

audio track rendering: Twos complement, 16 bits

Video: YUV 4:2:0 Planar

This produces very large files, of about 4 Gig/ minute for 1080p

I then use ffmpeg again to convert the video to a format that I
will use
elsewhere.

For instance to upload video on vimeo and covert it to 720p, I use

ffmpeg -i input_file -vcodec libx264 -vb 2000k -s 1280x720 -acodec
libmp3lame -ab 256k output_file

This work flow has been working for me, you can experiment with
different settings in terms of codecs, bitrate, qscale and others
settings to get the file format that you need.

There is also the Arista transcoder to convert files from one
format to
an other. It has presets for common displaying means: pc, tablet,
phones, etc.

Hope it helps

Félix-A.

Thanks for your hints, Felix.  I will have to try to learn 
(relearn???) what options to use for ffmpeg.  However, using the 
settings above and outputting to .MOV looks like a good, easy first 
step if I could only figure out why it seems to show only the central 
section of the video in the compositor, I could begin to try to use it.

- - - - -
For 720p, I convert the video to quicktime format and dnxhd codec (see 
Grandma for details). Cinelerra doesn't like non-standard video 
aspects, so also make sure they are standard 1280x720 or 1920x1080 
etc.  It will accept ".mts", but that is transport stream with a long 
GOP format, which can cause various issues of sync'ing and applying 
effects. Converting from a long GOP to a non-GOP format will obviously 
gobble up more disk space, but that is the trade-off for quality and 
stability in editing.


For large or complex projects, I will render a block of video and 
import into a parent project. But to do this, the rendering has to be 
as high as possible to prevent obvious degradation.  Render to 
quicktime with MJPEG is what I use there.


Is this with Cinelerra, or with ffmpeg? If the latter, could you 
please give me an example of your ffmpeg command to do this? Thanks.


*This is with cinelerra. Select Quicktime For Linux as container, then 
MJPEG (or YUV Planar as otherwise suggested) for codec. *


On final render, you choose whatever is appropriate. For the web, I 
will output to quicktime with mpeg-4 vid and audio codecs. This is a 
good balance between quality and size. I read with interest the format 
Felix uses for output (so many options).  And FFMPEG is really useful, 
but another tool that has so many strings.


As others point out, there is a lot of flexib

Re: [CinCV] Easy to understand work flows with Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

Murray,

As per Felix and Haldun's reply, the trick is to transcode the raw video 
into a codec that Cinelerra likes.


For 720p, I convert the video to quicktime format and dnxhd codec (see 
Grandma for details). Cinelerra doesn't like non-standard video aspects, 
so also make sure they are standard 1280x720 or 1920x1080 etc.  It will 
accept ".mts", but that is transport stream with a long GOP format, 
which can cause various issues of sync'ing and applying effects. 
Converting from a long GOP to a non-GOP format will obviously gobble up 
more disk space, but that is the trade-off for quality and stability in 
editing.


For large or complex projects, I will render a block of video and import 
into a parent project. But to do this, the rendering has to be as high 
as possible to prevent obvious degradation.  Render to quicktime with 
MJPEG is what I use there.


On final render, you choose whatever is appropriate. For the web, I will 
output to quicktime with mpeg-4 vid and audio codecs. This is a good 
balance between quality and size. I read with interest the format Felix 
uses for output (so many options).  And FFMPEG is really useful, but 
another tool that has so many strings.


As others point out, there is a lot of flexibility that will cause grief 
when you get it wrong. Keep experimenting, and when you understand the 
control you have, the possibilities are endless.


cheers
David



On 13/01/12 11:00, Murray Strome wrote:

David,

Thank you for your assistance. I was pretty sure that some people were 
using Cinelerra to do real production work.  I decided to give it 
"another whirl" today. I removed the version I had installed and 
started following the tutorial "Cinelerra Basics in 10 steps", 
http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/basics.html and the version that 
seems to get installed is 1.2.2-0.3~ppa1~oneiric1 according to 
Synaptic; I don't see how to tell which it is any other way.


I then created the .bcast folder by doing:
wget http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/Cinelerra_rc-NTSC.tar.gz && 
tar xvf Cinelerra_rc-NTSC.tar.gz && mv 
NTSCCinelerraSettings/Cinelerra_rc .bcast/Cinelerra_rc && rm 
Cinelerra_rc-NTSC.tar.gz


and extracting the stuff to my home folder.

I decided that I would try to work on a video I am preparing from a 
concert I recorded using three cameras and two audio recorders.  I 
started with an interim HD .mp4 1920X1080 file which, according to 
ffmpeg has the following metadata:

Metadata:
major_brand : mp42
minor_version   : 1
compatible_brands: mp42isom
creation_time   : 2012-01-04 13:17:17
  Duration: 01:02:09.12, start: 0.00, bitrate: 12197 kb/s
Stream #0.0(eng): Video: mpeg4, yuv420p, 1920x1080 [PAR 1:1 DAR 
16:9], 11999 kb/s, 29.97 fps, 29.97 tbr, 30k tbn, 30k tbc

Metadata:
  creation_time   : 2012-01-04 13:17:17
Stream #0.1(eng): Audio: aac, 48000 Hz, stereo, s16, 191 kb/s
Metadata:
  creation_time   : 2012-01-04 13:17:17
Stream #0.2(eng): Data: mp4s / 0x7334706D, 4320 kb/s
Stream #0.3(eng): Data: mp4s / 0x7334706D, 3840 kb/s

 Playing it in VLC, it says essentially the same thing: codecs: Video 
- MPEG-4 Video (mp4v); Audio -- MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a).


Anyway, if I try to load that file into Cinelerra, it dies instantly 
with no error or warning messages.


It obviously does not like the format!  I don't know to what I should 
convert it or how.


Are there other settings that I should change from whatever gets set 
up by the .bcast I used from the tutorial?


I decided to just play around with a regular .mpg file, which I can at 
least load.  I am not sure what to do next, especially when I go to 
Render it after some extremely simple edits. I am pretty sure that the 
suggestion "OGG Theora/Vorbis" is NOT what I want. I tried Windows 
.AVI, simply because that seemed to be the easiest to render both the 
video and audio, but I don't think that would be what I want if I were 
trying to create HD video with audio at either 1080p or even 720p.


The resulting video was HUGE, and would not play in VLC Player. In 
Gnome Player, it says the codec is yuv2. I will have to wait to see if 
it can be opened with anything in Windows.


I am not sure what to try next. Any hints?

Thanks,

Murray


--- On *Wed, 1/11/12, David Armstrong //*wrote:


From: David Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Easy to understand work flows with Cinelerra
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Received: Wednesday, January 11, 2012, 1:50 AM

Murray,

Here is a brief reply from my experiences as a user of Cinelerra.

First up, I have been using it solidly for about 4 years. I
produce mainly short videos for the web of athletics, but also
concerts, events and a bit of corporate.  Some concerts run to
over two hours, but most pieces are 4 to 8 minutes for the web. I
started out with SD (PAL 25fps), 

Re: [CinCV] Easy to understand work flows with Cinelerra

[David Armstrong]

Murray,

Here is a brief reply from my experiences as a user of Cinelerra.

First up, I have been using it solidly for about 4 years. I produce 
mainly short videos for the web of athletics, but also concerts, events 
and a bit of corporate.  Some concerts run to over two hours, but most 
pieces are 4 to 8 minutes for the web. I started out with SD (PAL 
25fps), but now work mainly with with 720p HD. I chose 720p as it is 
significant step up in output quality from SD, progressive being 
suitable for sports, and not over-taxing my current PC config (I 
struggle a bit with 1080p in current set up).


I picked up Cinelerra because of cost.  What I saved on hardware and 
software (for a Mac and FCP), I bought video equipment. Everytime I 
think about switching to mac, I have a good lie down then spend the 
money on video equipment.  Adobe Premier (or Production suite), be it on 
PC or mac, is also expensive. Latest FCP X is down in price, and mac 
hardware appears to be getting cheaper, but there is still a gap between 
buying and me building my own PC and installing linux.


As a an IT worker, I am familiar with linux and command line 
interfacing.  As such, the technical aspects of it don't faze me much, 
and a few times that has saved my bacon. For anyone with a phobia about 
computer technicalities, Cinelerra might be somewhat frustrating. But 
having said that, the recent CV version has become much more stable to 
an extent that maybe the issues of a few years back have subsided.


As my requirements border on the professional (deadlines, quality, 
timeliness etc.), I have found Cinelerra to satisfies my requirements. 
There are many things I take for granted that I might not appreciate.  I 
use multi video and audio tracks all the time, have multi-camera 
situations, graphic overlays, colour correction, timer overlays, audio 
mixing etc etc. There may be things I do that I can't do on the big two 
(FCP and Premiere), but as I don't know those products intimately, I 
can't compare.   Even after 4 years, I keep finding new things about 
Cinelerra.


I have dabbled a bit with Kino, Kdenlive and Open Shot, but there are 
key elements that do not meet my demands - either missing or I don't 
know how to extract from those programs.  I do use dvgrab (part of Kino) 
to capture from tape and Kdenlive sometimes for transcoding into a codec 
best suited for Cinelerra.  But now with DTE, dvgrab not used as much.  
FFMPEG is a good companion to shape things for inputs, as well if some 
peculiar output is required.


Good references are "Cinelerra for Grandma" and "Newbies Front"  (by 
Rafaella @ http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/), plus some really good 
tutorials on youTube. It took me some time to get into the groove with 
Cinelerra, but I stay with it as it still does the job, is powerful 
(which can get you into trouble), I am familiar with it, and I would 
rather invest in video equipment with any spare coin.  It is easy for a 
newbie to stuff things up , but being a craft there are no guarantees 
with anything in life.


If money was no object, I would have dived into mac and FCP years ago.  
I don't know if I would have been better or worse off (can't run a 
parallel universe test on myself), but I don't complain too much as I 
keep getting my videos out as needed.


Must finish up, as I have a large puddle of videos to edit!

cheers
David




On 11/01/12 13:04, Murray Strome wrote:
For several years now, I have been following the Cinelerra project, 
and have tried doing some video editing with it. However, I have not 
really been able to make use of it.  The first problem is the 
confusion surrounding all the formats/codecs. Then there is the 
problem of how to use the apparently necessary external programs (e.g. 
ffmpeg, etc.). Finally, I find the whole paradigm to be difficult to 
understand and  to use.


I believe that some really good videos have been made using Cinelerra, 
but I have not seen any good tutorials on a complete workflowused to 
create them. I have seen some that use or create web videos (like .FLV).


From what little I have seen of Adobe's video editing software, the 
general appearance of Cinelerra seems to mimic that a bit. I find 
Adobe's product to be very unintuitive.


I have been using various versions of Pinnacle Studio (for Windows, 
unfortunately) for many years now. It is one of the very few pieces of 
software that keep me hanging on to Windows (income tax software is 
the other), which I would really like to "ditch", especially before 
Windows 8 takes over the world! I find it to be VERY intuitive and 
easy to use (when it works), however, when it does not work, support 
is abysmal.  They try, but their technical support people are too 
isolated from their engineering/software development people to be able 
to provide a solution.


While I would really like to do some HD work with Cinelerra, I would 
like to start with see aworkflow for something relatively simple.


I wo

Re: [CinCV] thanks to g-raffa

[David Armstrong]

Haldun,

Nice stuff. Did you do the Secrets De Vienne video with Cinelerra? And 
the special effects?
If so I'm impressed.  I'm tempted to ask for details, but thinking about 
some of them I think I have some insight.


cheers
David


On 23/12/11 21:13, Haldun ALTAN wrote:

Hello Raffaella,

Just thank you for your grand'ma advises. It was a great help.

I've just used your advises to put a HD vidéo on m4v. since cinelerra
and handbrake. That works great.

If you want to see (15 sec.). Even tough it's in french :))

http://altanh.free.fr/

Thanks.

Haldun


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Re: [CinCV] Popular Linux distribution among Cinelerra users?

[David Armstrong]

I use ubuntu studio (64 bit) 11.04
Cinelerra seems more stable lately - maybe it's the projects I'm working 
on, a co-incidence, my imagination, or reality.

Or maybe I just know the beast better and how to tame it.
currently running the latest ppa version (2.2)



On 01/12/11 03:59, Richard Rasker wrote:

Hello,

I've been a long-time Mandriva user, but IMHO, this distribution is
going downhill ever since version 2008.1, although some of my latest
gripes can also be attributed to the overhaul of the sound system and
the new KDE4 desktop environment -- things common to all KDE-based
distributions.

As it is, I've upgraded several machines of myself and my users up to
Mandriva version 2010.2, and with every "upgrade" more things got messed
up that worked just fine before. Some examples:

- Video playback (DV, MPEG, DVD) that used to be smooth on 2008.1
machines is now always more or less choppy, even with proprietary codecs
and GPU drivers installed.
- The sound system has become a horrible "one slider to rule them all"
experience, without any of the old, fine-grained mixer features I like.
Also, KDE now often reports that sound devices are missing, or that
Phonon doesn't work -- whilst merrily playing the startup sound at the
same time.
- The Firewire device port that was always automatically and properly
set up upon connecting a camera now requires manual intervention by root
to make certain that /dev/raw1394 has the correct permissions -- every
single time I hook up something.
- Increasingly, applications demand that I install extra, paid-for codec
packs in order to enjoy MP3 files, Internet radio or MPEG video. These
things used to be installed automatically after adding non-free package
sources, but no more.
- And now I found that Ghostscript apparently has a problem: I can't use
my printer for anything but text because any picture results in a
"pstoraster failed" message. I never had printer problems before.

And even if things weren't always peachy in the past, I always succeeded
in finding solutions by searching the Internet. Not any more -- I spent
many, many hours trying to solve the above problems, but to no avail. As
you may gather, the situation is becoming unworkable, especially in
terms of multimedia activities.

BTW, the main reason to upgrade at all was the emergence of new video
formats and codecs, such as HD and H.264, unsupported in most 2008.1
applications. Also, compiling stuff on this old distribution became
troublesome, because of dependencies involving newer libraries.

Please note also that the hardware is not the problem: all machines have
ample RAM (1GB or more) and HD space, good graphics cards and 2.8+GHz
modern multicore CPU's.


So here's my question: what's the Cinelerra users' favourite
distribution? Or which distribution would probably meet my requirements
best?
Thanks for any suggestions, and yes, I have a modern spare PC that I can
use to try out any amount of distributions.

Best regards,

Richard Rasker


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Re: [CinCV] Blur keyframing : flickering

[David Armstrong]

does the frame rate affect this.
An earlier reply noted a rounding error in cinelerra.
I don't notice any flickers, but I operate at 25 fps (PAL). Is 30fps 
really 29.97, which might cause this?



On 18/11/11 12:33, Ichthyostega wrote:

Am 17.11.2011 23:32, schrieb Nicolas Ecarnot:

I have a still picture staying there for 10 seconds, at say 30 fps.
I add a blur effect on the whole track ...
- At the beginning of the track, I set up blur radius = 0.
- At the end of the track, I set up blur radius = 30.
Rendering that, I was expecting my still image to progressively get more and
more blurred. Actually, this is what's happening, except this happens while
heavily flickering (flickering between blurred pictures and completely sharp
original).


Hi Nicolas,

from your description this rather sounds like a bug.

What happens if you manually move your second keyframe a bit to the
left, causing the progression of the blur amount to stop a bit earlier,
not at the end? What happens with the flicker *after* that second keyframe

- does it continue to flicker?
- does it just stay there blurred and otherwise static?

-- Hermann V.


PS: the blur effect can actually create some quite surprising flicker when
applied to interlaced video material, but that's another story altogether.




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Re: [CinCV] CinCV 2.2 testing fortnight - call for volunteers

[David Armstrong]

Thanks.
Just let everyone know when it is put together.
So far, with my regular usage, all is going well.

cheers
David

On 28/09/11 23:29, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

On 09/23/2011 10:59 AM, David Armstrong wrote:

With all these patches flying around, can some-one advise if and when
they have been consolidated into the release candidate code?
I will then download, re-compile and re-test.


Thanks, David.

We are still oiling the brand new repo. We will soon be able to put 
all the patches in the same place for testing.


Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] OpenGL

[David Armstrong]

I have recompiled with the --enable-opengl option and now have 
X11-OpenGL driver option back.

Have selected the driver and seems OK with a few tests.

David


On 25/09/11 21:30, Einar Rünkaru wrote:

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:37 AM, David Armstrong  wrote:

I have mesa-dev installed - v7.10.2

checking config.log associated with installation, there is no mention of the
string "libGl" (case insensitive search)
there is an entry: OPENGL_LIBS=''


This means that OpenGL is not enabled


As an aside, I notice that "2.1.5" is mentioned numerously in the log.


This is irrelevant.

There is a bug in configure scripts.

Results of quick tests:

'./configure' - does not enable OpenGl

'./configure --enable-opengl' - enables openGL

'./configure --enable-mmx' - enables OpenGL

I didn test more, but I think enabling something make autodetection of
OpenGL work.

Einar

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Re: [CinCV] OpenGL

[David Armstrong]

I have mesa-dev installed - v7.10.2

checking config.log associated with installation, there is no mention of 
the string "libGl" (case insensitive search)

there is an entry: OPENGL_LIBS=''

As an aside, I notice that "2.1.5" is mentioned numerously in the log.



On 23/09/11 22:49, Einar Rünkaru wrote:

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Armstrong
  wrote:

I have version 1.4 (from glxinfo)

Maybe it is because I compiled v2.2 when v2.1.5 already installed from ppa
binary installation?
Happy to remove both and start again.


No, what is installed before does not matter.

Have you installed mesa-dev (eg appropriate OpenGL dev packages)?

Does configure find libGl? At the end of configure output there is
summary - what it says about OpenGL?

Einar

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[CinCV] OpenGL

[David Armstrong]

I have version 1.4 (from glxinfo)

Maybe it is because I compiled v2.2 when v2.1.5 already installed from 
ppa binary installation?

Happy to remove both and start again.



On 23/09/11 02:25, Einar Rünkaru wrote:

Hi.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Raffaella Traniello
  wrote:

Ciao!


Issue is no "X11-OpenGL" video driver option in preferences set-up drop
down box.

If you followed instructions for Grandma, then you didn't use the
"--enable-opengl" configure option so - from what I understand of the manual
- OpenGL is not enabled and you don't get the OpenGL option in the video
driver dropdown menu.

This is not confirmed by my experience:
I never use the "--enable-opengl" configure option either but I get the
"X11-OpenGL" video driver option in the drop down menu (configure ended with
"OpenGL enabled").

Do any of you know what is the expected behaviour with OpenGL?


'--enable-opengl' is not needed.

OpenGL is detected automatically if configure finds appropriate
headers and libGL.so.1. On some systems configure fails to find libGL.

Starting from version 2.1.5 cinelerra checks glx server version and if
it is lower than 1.3 does not show OpenGL option in video driver
dropdown.

Einar

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[CinCV] CinCV 2.2 testing fortnight - call for volunteers

[David Armstrong]

With all these patches flying around, can some-one advise if and when 
they have been consolidated into the release candidate code?

I will then download, re-compile and re-test.

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[CinCV] 2.2 testing so far

[David Armstrong]

All,

My testing so far:

Compiled successfully under ubuntu studio 11.04 64 bit following 
Rafaella's instructions.
Edited some HD and SD successfully - no crashes. Multi track with just a 
few effects.
Rendered some existing HD (QT format, mpeg-4 codecs) and SD (QT format, 
DV codec) projects. All appears OK.
Can see bezier curve mod on rubber bands. Effect makes for a nicer 
transition (only tested dissolves).


Issue is no "X11-OpenGL" video driver option in preferences set-up drop 
down box. Chose X11 instead - performance seems OK, but possibly due to 
reasonably high-spec'd PC. Is this issue a bug?
I have another issue with sync'ing for one particular project, but I 
think it is the source video clip as this is not a problem with other 
similar clips.


Will continue to use 2.2 for editing tasks over next few days. This will 
double up as testing. No reason to back out at the moment as I am making 
normal progress with tasks.


cheers
David


On 21/09/11 18:10, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

Ciao to all of you!
And a special ciao to the testers!


Here are some more tips for testing:

NEW AND OLD BUGS

We are now focussing on the bugs created by the changes:
- Bézier Automation
- compilation on 2.6.38+ kernels, v4l and buz drivers
Please, test and report back to this mailing list about bugs created 
by those changes.


If during testing you find other "old" bugs, treat them separately.
If the bug is not already reported to the bugtracker, please create a 
new ticket with as much details as you can.

Bugtracker: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/

BEZIER AUTOMATION

To know which changes are made by the Bezier patch, you can have a 
look at the patch documentation:

http://ichthyostega.de/cinelerra/bezier-patch/

COMPILATION ON UBUNTU

No packages will be available for testing because compilation is one 
of the processes that needs testing.


Compilation is supposed to be easy and successful also for newbies.
It will take about 20'. If Cinelerra doesn't compile, then the testing 
was successful in finding a bug. :-)


For compiling on any Ubuntu follow the instructions at
http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/compilation.html

Just some notes on those instructions:

1.
Don't get the current code. Instead get the source code from
http://git.cinelerra.org/gitweb?p=CinelerraCV.git;a=snapshot;h=77f464b5dafd2c441ccc55282a9489250b83306f;sf=tgz 



2.
Ignore the note For Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narval about Video for Linux 
version 1 (V4L1). This code is supposed to work with no need for patches.


3.
If you have a 64bit system, don't forget to use the configure options 
for 64bit systems:


./configure --with-buildinfo=git/recompile

4. Those compilation commands don't enable OpenGL.

If compilation goes wrong, post the last lines (with the error) of the 
terminal output to the list.



Happy testing! :-)

Ciao
Raffaella

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Re: [CinCV] Rendering problems HD footage

[David Armstrong]

for HD final rendering I use MPEG-4 codec with quicktime (.mov) format.  
But I should add that I work in 1280x720p for HD.


I assume that the original capture video OK?

David



On 02/07/11 05:08, E M J Vaessen wrote:

Hello, anyone out there?

I am trying to render a movie with lots of m2t HD footage, converted 
from MTS (from a JVC Everio GZ-HD30E camcorder) by this command:


ffmpeg -i name.MTS -r 25 -acodec mp2 -vcodec mpeg2video -ab 384k -b 
34000k -f mpegts -y name.m2t


I can render to quicktime format (*.mov) but my HDX100 media network 
tank, trying to play it, will start to behave strangely after some 
time, loosing sync or even audio, going into some slow motion mode. In 
other word: useless.


So I tried to render to a UYV4MPEG Stream with pipe mpeng2enc:

trying popen(mpeg2enc --multi-thread 8 --verbose 0 --aspect 3 --format 
3 --frame-rate 3 --video-bitrate 28000 --nonvideo-bitrate 384 
--interlace-mode 0 --force-b-b-p --video-buffer 448 --video-norm p 
--keep-hf --no-constraints --sequence-header-every-gop --min-gop-size 
6 --max-gop-size 6 -o /data2//Madeira/test1.m2v)


The rendering aborts directly giving this errors:

++ WARN: [mpeg2enc] Progressive encoding selected with interlaced input!
++ WARN: [mpeg2enc]   (This will damage the chroma channels.)
**ERROR: [mpeg2enc] Rate control can't cope with a video buffer 
smaller 4 frame intervals


Anyone knows what's going on here?


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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra crashing in ubuntu studio [SOLVED]

[David Armstrong]

A simple search told me that it was a graphics card issue!
Must have been a driver update automatically loaded. Went back to the 
previous driver, and am back in business.



On 21/04/11 22:16, David Armstrong wrote:
after the recent ubuntu update, my cinelerra projects crash (either on 
start up, or after a couple of edits).

Running cinelerra via gdb, I get this error:

Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
BC_PBuffer::new_pbuffer: glXChooseFBConfig failed
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x71c10514 in ?? () from /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1

I was running 10.04 Ubuntu studio. Upgraded to 10.10, but still same 
error. Have checked back-up file (in case of permissions), but this is 
being written to.

Any ideas?



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[CinCV] Cinelerra crashing in ubuntu studio

[David Armstrong]

after the recent ubuntu update, my cinelerra projects crash (either on 
start up, or after a couple of edits).

Running cinelerra via gdb, I get this error:

Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
BC_PBuffer::new_pbuffer: glXChooseFBConfig failed
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x71c10514 in ?? () from /usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1

I was running 10.04 Ubuntu studio. Upgraded to 10.10, but still same 
error. Have checked back-up file (in case of permissions), but this is 
being written to.

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Re: [CinCV] I uninstalled Cinelerre from my Linux Ubuntu computer and the download site doesn't respond

[David Armstrong]

go to http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
I used the ppa method last time  - that was easy to use for installation.

Bod

On 04/02/11 22:39, rbthorne...@netzero.net wrote:

Sir/Ma'am,
  Where do I find a download site for Cinelerra; I'm using Linux Ubuntu on 
an Eight-Virtues Linux computer.
   Thanks,
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Re: [CinCV] hardware

[David Armstrong]

I had bad experiences with Ubuntu 10.10 64 bit. So went back to 10.04 
(Studio 64 bit) and all works ok.
With an upgraded kernel all might be OK, but I don't have the luxury to 
keep re-installing and backing out!!!

I am told that 10.10 32 bit is OK.


On 31/01/11 09:51, Raffaella Traniello wrote:

Hi Nicola!


Why not using Hardy? It's a LTS release and it is very stable, and it is
not prehistoric.


My opinion is based on my experience. I do workshops on creative works 
with Free Software and I tested different labs with different Ubuntus.
In the past two years video editing (and graphics) applications had 
such a fast development that Hardy is indeed already too old (e.g. you 
can't have the latest Kdenlive).
I kept having so many issues (e.g. freezing interfaces, blank screens, 
old or missing applications...) that I promised myself not to work or 
teach on Hardy anymore.


Note also that Hardy will be supported just for the next 3 months and 
the new LTS release is just a mouse click away.


That's why I don't recommend Hardy to people looking for a good distro 
for video-editing.


Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] cinelerra fork.

[David Armstrong]

What is the progress of Lumiera?
Isn't that intended to be the replacement for Cinelerra?
If so, should energy be focused there?
if not, where is Cinelerra headed?



On 27/01/11 21:52, Valentina Messeri wrote:
I liked openshot, have to say, the best "performance" of mlt (dp the 
RIP jahshaka maybe) and almost agree with everything below...


Cinelerra is a great software that permit to work as professional (i 
am since i pay the rent with that) but no way needs to be improved and 
the only way to do that is to create a fork, since, it has had, from 
the beginning a big problem with his author and his lack of 
collaboration capacities.


let's seei'm always here to test, exchange, improve...

ciao!
Vale


My idea is to make cinelerra more pleasing to the eye and more 
functional. As

an example of pleasing to the eye, OpenShot. As an example of more
functional, cutting files button, more effective or better (eg the 
blurring
of the transitions), improved file management, because the internal 
ffmpeg
gives very bad results, and could support the external ffmpeg and 
quicktime

for linux.

Everything I say this without knowledge, is more of an idea.

I know that the graphical environment is internal cinelerra, but that
creates problems, I think it could use qt or gtk.

I have done something to OpenShot (an effect, but really did not do
anything because
they already had mlt). And OpenShot is betting very heavily on the 
3D, but does

not reach to the power of cinelerra on other things.

OpenShot, PiTiVi and Kdenlive are based on MLT, which is fine, but I 
think

that cinelerra is better. (is my opinion).

I imagine an aspect of OpenShot, with the power of cinelerra, more 
3D, and

some improvements, and it would incredible.

I thought it not worthwhile to complicate your life, because for simple
things, you are no alternatives, and more complicated things are 
supposed to

Lightworks will someday, I'd love to try.


Yosepkey

2011/1/26 Douglas Pollard 


On 01/26/2011 12:44 PM, Ichthyostega.. wrote:


Am 26.01.2011 16:02, schrieb yosepkey:


Anyone know of a fork of cinelerra. If I knew, I'd make one.

Anyone interested?


Hi Yosepkey,

some months ago there was a bit of discussion amongst the remaining 
active
devs of the Cinelerra-CV version (which is the topic of this 
mailinglist).
It wasn't really conclusive, but the general tenor was that is is 
OK to
diverge maybe a bit more from the "upstream" Version from HV. There 
where
several ideas -- mostly it seems that active "manpower" and thus a 
more
long-term oriented initiative beyond just fixing this and that bug 
is what

is lacking most.

Besides that, you're probably also already aware that the Lumiera 
project
is an outgrow of an attempt to make a general overhaul and cleanup 
of the

Cinelerra codebase, initially started as "Cinelerra-3" in 2007.

Besides that -- excuse me, I'm asking just out of curiosity -- why 
do you
especially consider to fork Cinelerra, instead of joining 
Openmovieeditor,

KDEnlive or PiTiVi (or put any of the other promising young projects
here)?

Cheers,
Hermann Vosseler
(aka "Ichthyo")

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 Here's what I wish, since we are talking about want's.  I wish some
really smart programmer would write a program that could Analise a 
video
file and tell you exactly what is wrong with it.  Every now and then 
I do a
video and there is an error in the file and I can't find it.  
Usually I wind
up starting over again.  Most of the time I don't know there is a 
problem

untill I try to burn to DVD or upload to U-tube.

   Doug


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