Re: [CinCV] Broken Links
Yeah - just realised that the links to the main repo (and commands in the main body of the text) are broken for the same reasons: http://cinelerra-cv.org/main_repo.php So I went through and found the following as a quick pass - "Get Involved" under the Menu section on the left side of the page doesn't work at all. It looks like the CV wiki is broken/gone. The Gitweb page link here is broken - http://cinelerra-cv.org/devcorner.php "Bugtracker" under Development appears to link to the News section. A couple of links to the Manual on this page - http://bugs.cinelerra-cv.org/getting_cinelerra.php The clips under the Titler Compositing Demo here - http://bugs.cinelerra-cv.org/footage.php ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Broken Links
Regarding broken links - Firstly yes that was the IRC log that I was referring to, though it's worth noting that while the link now works, it leads to a different page than it used to, and it's historical logs from 2008 and before rather than the current IRC log. I have no idea if IRC is even still being logged? Secondly, the repos I'm referring to are here: http://cinelerra-cv.org/source_code.php It's just a simple problem of the links to Einar and SimAV's repos still pointing to a "cinelerra.org" rather than a "cinelerra-cv.org" address. Thanks! :) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Donation to the Server
Hey all, Per request for donation to server and notification to ML, I donated 30 Euros (technically I sent 31 because I wanted to cover any fees PayPal levied.) Thanks again for everyone's work on this project. becka. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Broken Links
Hey all, Per request to report broken links, a few things I noticed on the site - 1) IRC log no longer works. 2) links to the repos (official, Einar's etc). Also testing mailing list still working, per request from Ceteh on IRC. *crosses fingers* ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Christian - I understand completely and certainly don't want to put anyone in a difficult position, I just wish I could contribute something more technically useful. If there is a solution to this at any point, where money can be raised transparently towards future costs, however large or small they may be, please do let me know as I definitely want to continue supporting the project. I'm certainly not looking for tax breaks or worrying about where profit is going. :) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial difficulties with regard to maintaining the server. I am not in a particularly good financial situation but this program and its maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at least a small amount monthly to its continued existence. How much money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis? Could this be done via Paypal? Perhaps a donate button on the main page? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Webcomic Trailer made with Cinelerra
Hey dudes, Recently I was given the opportunity to make an official trailer for Will Brooker's new webcomic - My So Called Secret Identity - and, obviously, I made it on Cinelerra (with basic image editing done in GIMP). Anyway, for the curious - www.mysocalledsecretidentity.com - it's embedded on the main page. :) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Testing release of the Blue Banana color grading/correction filter for CinCV (MGV-AV Linux)
Monty - brilliant, thank you, the new version works perfectly. To the person asking for pointers on how to use Blue Banana, I'm not a professional, so excuse the basic level of my explanation, but the reason I was thrilled to see it is that now I can do much more delicate colour work. You can now affect the colouration/saturation/hue, etc., of only certain parts of the shot. The top segments determine which parts of the shot will be affected - so for instance if you choose to focus those sliders around "light blues" you will only be working with the light blue areas of your shot. Checking the "show mask" checkbox (top right) will show you what areas you have selected. The other segments of the plugin then allow you to manipulate those sections, much like the other colour work you can do in Cinelerra, but with more delicacy - experiment with the various sliders and you will see what I mean. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Testing release of the Blue Banana color grading/correction filter for CinCV (MGV-AV Linux)
Wow, thanks Monty, this is aces - the only glitch I've encountered so far is when I check Mask Selected Areas (top right), it crashes. Either Cinelerra freezes for about ten seconds before shutting down, or it shuts down immediately. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 and I believe I have Cinelerra installed from the ppa rather than source this time. Sorry for being unsure - I've done both in the past and can't remember which I'm using right now. If it's relevant and there's a way to check, please let me know. Thanks again, Monty, for your stellar work in updating this fantastic programme. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] 5.1 audio
I have also had the issue of struggling to render 5.1 audio from Cinelerra and have it come out in the correct channels. I'm sorry to say that I don't have a solution (being decidedly an end user and not particularly confident in understanding what's going wrong), so if anyone else has an actual solution rather than this rather convoluted workaround, please let me know. However, I do have a workaround. Basically I render each audio stream separately as a mono channel .wav file (to do this, make sure you temporarily change your project settings so that there is only a single audio track, then ensure only the appropriate audio channel is set to play before rendering the audio). I then use sox to create a mutlichannel .wav file. Use the following command (with appropriate filename substitutions) for order for this to occur correctly (the order you put the audio tracks in matters - it needs to be left, right, centre, LFE, surround left, surround right): sox -M left.wav right.wav centre.wav lowfrequencyevents.wav surroundleft.wav surroundright.wav 51wavfile.wav You now have a 5.1 .wav file, and my personal preference is to then convert this to a 5.1 .ac3 file using aften. I find the following command does the job: aften -b 448 -dsur 2 -acmod 7 -lfe 1 51wavfile.wav finalaudio.ac3 I can then mux the .ac3 with a rendered .m2v file in mplex or drop straight into a program like DVDStyler as the audio track. As I said, it's a very long workaround and if anyone has a solution that is faster, I would also be grateful to hear it, but without another solution, this does at least work. :)
[CinCV] 5.1 audio
I have also had the issue of struggling to render 5.1 audio from Cinelerra and have it come out in the correct channels. I'm sorry to say that I don't have a solution (being decidedly an end user and not particularly confident in understanding what's going wrong), so if anyone else has an actual solution rather than this rather convoluted workaround, please let me know. However, I do have a workaround. Basically I render each audio stream separately as a mono channel .wav file (to do this, make sure you temporarily change your project settings so that there is only a single audio track, then ensure only the appropriate audio channel is set to play before rendering the audio). I then use sox to create
Re: [CinCV] cinelerra 4,2 and cv 2,1,5
Speaking from the perspective of an end user, and someone who is sadly in no position to contribute to any kind of coding, the major thing that HV offers that CV doesn't is nested sequences - i.e. the ability to import another .xml cinelerra project file into a new project as a clip and treat it as such. So you can build complex masks, etc., in one project file and not have to make a choice between either rendering the complex sequence and losing quality before importing into a larger file, or having to build the sequence within a much larger project (which brings more issues of program stability, and the challenge of not accidentally unsynching tracks, etc.) It's a really sweet feature that is pretty much my #1 request for CV. Here are the other things I can recall HV offers that CV doesn't that I guess would be goals to include in a merge: HV does also have a few nice new effects, such as a lens effect and a couple of others I forget off the top of my head. It has bezier curves for histograms on the timeline (fade/pan/zoom). It has a ruler tool in the compositor just to check lengths against each other. There's a bug in CV where when you use masks, everything interpolates between keyframes except transparency/feathering, which just changes at the keyframe. (I've filed a bug report on this for completeness, though obviously I know there's not a lot of bug fixing going on right now). HV does not have this bug. I'm sure I'm missing something big, but those are most of the differences in terms of improvements available in HV. Insofar as what CV offers that HV doesn't, well, firstly I like the pipe rendering option for .m2v stuff which HV doesn't have. In general I prefer CV's interface, defaults and rendering options (stuff such as the pipe, and the way CV defaults to applying an effect to a single clip rather than the entire track, and defaults to rendering the whole project rather than using the playhead as a starting point for the render). Partly this is just familiarity, but yeah, I like how CV feels to use more than HV. In terms of features, as I've said, I like the additional rendering options available in CV (at least the working ones) and I also REALLY like and frequently make use of the Reroute effect which is only available in CV. It's not an HV effect and HV has nothing similar. I think you'd have to spoof it using nested sequences which would be a real pain. Hopefully that will help breakdown what at least this end user sees as the major differences between the versions if a merge is being considered? I'd certainly REALLY like a merge for th reasons stated above. I'm unsure if it would be in any way feasible given the people involved, but I would absolutely be interested in donating to a kickstarter project or something like that designed to fund a developer for a week to get this done.
Re: [CinCV] Ubuntu and cinelerra 4.2
Yes, if you have any other version of Cinelerra installed (including cv) I don't believe you can use the Debian .deb to install 4.2. If you want both, running from the folder as previously detailed would be better, though obviously as said, that option crashes when using the titler.
RE: [CinCV] Ubuntu and cinelerra 4.2
You can also install Cinelerra 4.2 on Ubuntu from the .debs someone made for Debian. I wrote it up here - though I was doing it on Maverick and/or Lucid, and haven't tried it on Natty and it seems that there are some potential issues that others had on Natty and/or in loading mkv files (which I don't work with so can't comment on). http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1673392.html
Re: [CinCV] vdevicebuz.C:48:28: fatal error: linux/videodev.h: No > such file or directory
Hi guys - just to report my experience - I used the patch in the linked bug report and managed to compile Cinelerra 2.1.5 with no issues on Ubuntu 11.04, in a virtual box on Ubuntu 10.04. I haven't tried extensively editing anything with it but I got no compilation errors and it starts up fine. I know that originally Nicola Ferralis was still having some issues even with these patches applied, though I can't remember what they were precisely. But I figured it'd be useful to report that her patch is working for me. I see that Einar reported this already from the IRC log but thought it would be good to throw this email out with the rest of the details for record keeping. If anyone has any questions about anything please let me know, but I'm really not very familiar with even compiling things let alone patching (used the instructions from raffa's website to compile as I have done for the past year or so, and this is the first patch I've ever applied, actually!) so you may have to ask in small, simple word. ;) Thanks for all the work on Cinelerra, guys! Now I can consider upgrading to 11.04. :)
[CinCV] Re: What needs doing, and how do we do it? (was: cinelerra fork)
Hi again everyone. First of all apologies for the html in my last post which doesn't seem to have translated well onto the mailing list. Am attempting to write in plain text now. :) Secondly thanks for the responses. I'm very excited by a lot of the ideas being thrown around and that most people seem to be on the same wavelength re: a small visual makeover and then seeing what substantive issues can be addressed without requiring a major ground-up overhaul, since that's the job of Lumiera. It's interesting to see all the focus on transitions. Speaking as an end user, I generally deal okay with the way they interact with effects as long as I remember to use multiple tracks when I have an effect I want to affect only one of the clips. But yes, it is annoying when the effect is applied to the transition as well. It's not a problem with something like a dissolve, but it's definitely an issue when it comes to stuff like shapewipes and you don't want the shapewipe to be blurred, just the clip. Sometimes this is solvable by track order and transitioning across two tracks and ensuring that the higher track is the one without the effect, but it's not useful if you need the effect applied to both clips (or even two different effects). The only solution to that is to render the clip in isolation then reimport, which is very much less than ideal. The same problem exists in the HV version, but there I can get around it with nested sequences, though obviously that's a convoluted solution that is again less than ideal. Anyway, just wanted to say that I'm glad to see this being discussed and I'll be reading with interest even though it's not likely I'll have a huge amount to contribute, but please let me know if there is anything I *can* do, even if I've been quiet for a while, and I'd be very willing to help do so. Becka. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] What needs doing, and how do we do it? (was: cinelerra fork)
Hi everyone, I follow this mailing list roughly over on the cinelerra.org archives and was extremely excited to see discussion of further development and decided to join the list in order to give my thoughts. The first issue is that I am not a developer – in fact I’m a relative Linux newbie and don’t even have that much experience with simple tasks such as compiling from source. So I’m keenly aware that we have a lot of non-developers with a lot of ideas for the few developers still active here – I don’t want to come across as demanding or unhelpful, but I figured, if I don’t share my thoughts now I will lose the chance to do so. I am an amateur video-editor and hobbyist, and would be happy to help with any testing, documentation or tutorial work that would need to be done. I have a postgrad degree in Creative Writing but little practical experience with technical writing of the sort needed for documentation, just to be up front about that. While I’m sure they’re not the best or most concise, I do have a number of Cinelerra CV tutorials up on YouTube (with a few more planned) on my channel – cybridproductions, if anyone is curious. They currently focus on achieving effects or transitions for which there is no single default effect in Cinelerra. To move on to my thoughts. I am very pleased to see continuing development on Cinelerra because while I support Lumiera in principle, it’s a very long way from anything usable and I feel the problem with Linux at the moment in terms of video editing is that there are numerous viable, impressive options for beginners and middle-level home movie editing but Cinelerra stands alone as a workable prosumer level editing suite. It’s the only solution, for instance, that I’ve found that will import 5.1 audio and allow editing of each stream. Lumiera is a long way from release and if Cinelerra falls into disrepair, or even if it still has active development but on a greatly reduced level, it risks being perceived as obsolete or unsupported. This would be a great shame as it is an absolutely fantastic program, despite having some quirks and a conventionally unattractive interface. In terms of things I think Cinelerra needs to improve on – Interface I don’t actually think this is a really big deal. Sure a more attractive interface would be a bonus, but honestly I think a reskin on the level of what Cinecutie did is adequate. Transitions I come down firmly on the side of not transitioning between tracks by default – I like the way transitions are displayed now. It would be nice if they could be “dragged” to increase or decrease length rather than right-clicking and manually assigning a length, but I do not feel this is a critical issue or something in desperate need of being addressed. I do think that some more transitions could be added. It’s possible to achieve some 3D transitions through use of the perspective effects, but it might be nice to have a few simple 3D transitions pre-made, as it were? Also other simple transitions that come as standard in other NLEs but must be “created” in Cinelerra such as the dissolves that include an increase in brightness, such as those often used for “flashback” effects, blurring transitions, etc. These aren’t critical either as they can be achieved through alternate means, but including them would certainly help many novice users and save others time. 2D Effects Again, there are many effects for which Cinelerra has no preset effect which can be achieved through use of multiple effects, and perhaps this is something to look at, but I’d rather concentrate on effects not available at all or only available through very complex workarounds. Shaky camera, an adjustable, keyframeable aged-film effect, are two that spring immediately to mind, and are also two that are not easily achievable by layering two effects, etc. A “dream glow” effect might also be useful as the only way I know of to achieve that currently is layered tracks and overlay modes with a blur effect added on. I also like the lens effect available in 4.2. That said, I do think that Cinelerra has strong representation in the 2D effects department already. 3D Effects Here is something I’d like to see. I want to be careful of suggesting that Cinelerra attempt to become a fully fledged effects compositor like the (sadly closed) RamenFX project, and I also understand that often “magic wand” style effects are considered something that is more often used for home movie projects rather than more professional ones. However, I have seen some interesting stuff in recent development for OpenShot where they’re using Blender, I believe, to add some nice looking stuff. In particular, I think a lensflare effect would be absolutely awesome to have. 3D titles would be nice too. However, it obviously goes without saying that I have no idea about the code, and it may well be th
