Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Adding others who have discovered it is no longer registered. Someone else needs to register it. On Oct 17, 2013 12:35 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers. On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, Juha-Matti Tapio jmta...@verkkotelakka.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote: Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources too? - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
I would be able to donate money to renew the domain and space on a sever for it. shaun On 10/15/2013 12:36 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote: The cinelerra.org http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com mailto:richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? Thanks, Richard ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 12:35:00 -0700 schrieb Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com: Just domain registration. I don't know who is operating the servers. o/ I do, see my recent post about. On Oct 17, 2013 12:15 PM, Juha-Matti Tapio jmta...@verkkotelakka.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote: Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources too? - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Hi, I can take over the domain and pay for it. I use Cinelerra a lot, this could be my contribution to the project. For your background check: I hold and manage already the domains for my project meetthegimp.org and for the Gimp Magazine gimpmagazine.org Other than doing the domain and nameserver stuff I can't help much, perhaps offering webspace for the homepage if the downloads are hosted elsewhere. Regards Rolf Steinort http://meetthegimp.org On 16.10.2013 01:35, Adam williams wrote: Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The cinelerra.org http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com mailto:richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? Thanks, Richard ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
The cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? Thanks, Richard ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote: Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources too? - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:15:15 +0300 schrieb Juha-Matti Tapio jmta...@verkkotelakka.net: On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 07:35:52PM -0400, Adam williams wrote: Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. Are we talking about just the domain registration or server resources too? Just domain registration/payment this time. Thats $17.19 for 10 years (godaddy.com, please bear in mind to do that for some years to come). Sidenote: we run our own DNS server so transfering a domain should be straightforward, every registration data should stay as it is, only the owner will change. Contact Richard about details. The Server on the other side isn't payed either (or rather its me who is paying for it), but I can promise not to take it down because of that (for the time being). Still I'd like to get some money eventually. We once agreed that Cinelerra will contribute 10Eur per month to the server rent, meanwhile the static IPv4 Address gets billed too that would be 11Eur/Month. I haven't made the accounting for the server since some time now but I guess it is a few years (approx 2-3 years) in debt now. If anyone wants to help out I'd like to propose following plan to make payment as transparently as possible: 1. If anyone wants to send me money for the server, place a pledge on this Mailinglist or send me a private Mail (and express me if you want to do this anonymously) including the amount of money you want to send. 2. I'll then send an ack/acceptance Mail to the ML and contact you directly about how you can transfer me money. 3. You send me the money and as soon I receive it I'll acknowledge this on the ML again (if I don't do so you can call me a scamer and you lost the money :P) anyways the Server is founded privately and is not tax deductible or anything else. If you want that, just donate some money to Lumiera or some other of your favorite Free Software Projects :) Another more pressing thing is that the Server needs some love, aka some responsible person/admin, I asked that longer ago but no one cared. This is more serious as I can only keep it running as long it is not broken/hacked/used for spaming. We have some solid backup running and I've disabled the spamed wiki already but if some more serious desaster strikes where simply restoring the backup won't be enough then the Project would rather crumble to dust. Anyone with a bit time and Debian/Webserver administration experience would be a big help here. I can give some hands and assistance for starters. Contact me if you feel right for that Job. Christian - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Can't afford it. Looks like the .com .net .org names are going to be all squatted or taken, but it was just 1 project in a lifetime of others. - Original Message - From: Richard Baverstock Sent: 10/15/13 12:36 PM To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no, broadc...@earthling.net, cinelerra-ow...@skolelinux.no Subject: Re: Transferring cinelerra.org The http://cinelerra.org domain is about to expire, so I need to know who to transfer it to. On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? Thanks, Richard ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Hello Christian Thank you for the mail to the list If you can give me some guideline in the beginning then I can lend a hand I have used Cinelerra for the past 8 years and ought to pay back something. with metta Mettavihari On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 5:12 AM, Christian Thaeter c...@pipapo.org wrote: Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200 schrieb Raffaella Traniello raffaella.tranie...@g-raffa.eu: On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote: Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static. I propose to move it as is to Source Forge. ML can be moved there too (Can it?). The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?). Is it ok when I make the wiki inaccessible for the meantime or just make it readonly? No content will be lost, I just dont want to have a spamsink there, take a look at: http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=recentfirst=0id= Trac can be moved to Launchpad. That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!). If you want to you should contact Richard about transfering the domain, possibly just update the owner info at the same registrar, then nothing else needs to be changed, you just go on pay for it. If you want to move the website I can still serve DNS for it, that just runs under the hood and we have a DNS server anyway. I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think? Who wants to do this migration? Hey if you find anyone, maybe he could administrate the current server instead? thats prolly less work ... Seriously, I am really just asking for a little help, yet this mail thread died and nothing really happens, how many people are on this list and reading this? No one there who can lend a hand on a free Software Project? I am disappointed. Christian Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra -- Streaming video from http://dharmavahini.tv ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
On 04.05.2013 17:24, Raffaella Traniello wrote: Ciao! I'm having problems following the CinCV mailing list because the messages arrive days late and get lost in my too-full inbox. On 04/29/2013 11:12 PM, Rolf Steinort wrote: I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project, http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by donations from both projects. Great! Would that cover also the technical maintenance? That depends on what is to be done. I keep Wordpress, a DokuWiki and a SMF-Forum running and up to date. And I take care of the domains and the nameserver entries. I closed the forum and the wiki to self service registration - it was too much SPAM. It's now e-mail and ask. Works well, but keeps perhaps some people away. So it would include all the above stuff and perhaps more if it is easy enough to learn. Rolf ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Ciao! I'm having problems following the CinCV mailing list because the messages arrive days late and get lost in my too-full inbox. On 04/29/2013 11:12 PM, Rolf Steinort wrote: I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project, http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by donations from both projects. Great! Would that cover also the technical maintenance? Ciao! Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200 schrieb Raffaella Traniello raffaella.tranie...@g-raffa.eu: On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote: Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static. I propose to move it as is to Source Forge. ML can be moved there too (Can it?). The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?). Is it ok when I make the wiki inaccessible for the meantime or just make it readonly? No content will be lost, I just dont want to have a spamsink there, take a look at: http://cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?do=recentfirst=0id= Trac can be moved to Launchpad. That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!). If you want to you should contact Richard about transfering the domain, possibly just update the owner info at the same registrar, then nothing else needs to be changed, you just go on pay for it. If you want to move the website I can still serve DNS for it, that just runs under the hood and we have a DNS server anyway. I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think? Who wants to do this migration? Hey if you find anyone, maybe he could administrate the current server instead? thats prolly less work ... Seriously, I am really just asking for a little help, yet this mail thread died and nothing really happens, how many people are on this list and reading this? No one there who can lend a hand on a free Software Project? I am disappointed. Christian Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Greetings, I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial difficulties with regard to maintaining the server. I am not in a particularly good financial situation but this program and its maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at least a small amount monthly to its continued existence. How much money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis? Could this be done via Paypal? Perhaps a donate button on the main page? The financial difficulties are no big issue compared to the administrative difficulties. cinelerra.org needs someone who will work a few hours every month to keep the things running and up to date. Thats *much* more valuable than money in the current situation. I think if the amount is small the best thing would be that Christian give his account number and the amount is transfered that way. I have worked with NGO's and found it more difficult to provide accounts for what the money was spent on and I suggest that who ever give some small amount could make a private arrangement with Christian. Also I have to explain how the server is currently financed: cinelerra.org is *not* a public organization which can collect donations. So far (and I hope in this will work in future) there are a loose group of people. I've rented a server and some people give me money for hosting vservers on it on a private/non-commercial basis. This is all a private thing, nothing tax deductible and neither I, nor someone no one else, except the hosting company, making any profit from it. I can not ask for donations and at least if anyone wants to cover the server expenses this should be coordinated in a transparent way. I now pay for the server and I am rather more uncomfortable with the opposite when strangers send me 'donations' and no one else has some insight into this. As I said above. If you know Christian and the work he is doing for us then send him a private payment and ask no account. with metta Mettavihari ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Greetings, How is the situation with the Admin of the sever. Up to now the only one to offer Admin help has been Raffaella, Please think it over and let us decide on who this should be given to. If there is no other person offering to help then i think we should accept the help from Raffaella with metta Mettavihari On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Christian Thaeter c...@pipapo.org wrote: Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700 schrieb Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see below. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php should still work. Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server). Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time I am planning to write some Angry Mail about the current situation of the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump in here and donate some money to keep the server running. Further, what nags me MUCH more: The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history! I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep the Lights on. The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it by donations) everything else is carefree. Christian Thäter ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra -- Streaming video from http://dharmavahini.tv ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
On 28.04.2013 04:01, Christian Thaeter wrote: I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server). Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time I am planning to write some Angry Mail about the current situation of the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump in here and donate some money to keep the server running. I am already hosting the http://gimpmagazine.org and my project, http://meetthegimp.org on a dedicated server in France. I could host cinelerra.org for free. The server costs are already covered by donations from both projects. Rolf ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
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On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote: Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static. I propose to move it as is to Source Forge. ML can be moved there too (Can it?). The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?). Trac can be moved to Launchpad. That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!). I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think? Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
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Christian - I understand completely and certainly don't want to put anyone in a difficult position, I just wish I could contribute something more technically useful. If there is a solution to this at any point, where money can be raised transparently towards future costs, however large or small they may be, please do let me know as I definitely want to continue supporting the project. I'm certainly not looking for tax breaks or worrying about where profit is going. :) ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:47:07 +0200 schrieb Raffaella Traniello raffaella.tranie...@g-raffa.eu: On 04/25/2013 11:57 PM, Richard Baverstock wrote: Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I'm taking care of the content of the website. It's quite static. I propose to move it as is to Source Forge. ML can be moved there too (Can it?). The wiki can be abandoned but only after the useful user-added content is stored somwehere else (Cin4Grandma?). Trac can be moved to Launchpad. That would move cinelerra.org to free and nearly self-maintained platforms, except the domain that I'm happy to maintain (12€ a year!). I have no good proposals for the git repos. What do you think? Hi Raffa, I have really no idea what problems do you want to solve with your proposal. We moved to our own server years ago to have the freedom to control the services and infrastructure we want to use (git hosting was not that common that time). With this freedom comes some responsibility to maintain this infrastructure of course. Thats whats currently lacking. But I don't see how moving to sourceforge/launchpad/whatever would address this issue. There are *plenty* projects on sourceforge which are in such a irresponsible/unmaintained state where the wiki, bugtracker and mailinglists get spamed. If there is no one who cares for it now, then no one will do it there either. Keeping the Server running is really no much additional work (speaking of a few hours per month *at most*). Of course there is now some inital work to get the server in a better shape (dist-upgrade, fix some insane things and so on) but after that there is no much more to do than keeping it updated by running apt-get update/upgrade sometimes. Christian Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
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Ciao! On 04/30/2013 02:06 AM, Christian Thaeter wrote: We moved to our own server years ago to have the freedom to control the services and infrastructure we want to use (git hosting was not that common that time). With this freedom comes some responsibility to maintain this infrastructure of course. Thats whats currently lacking. Indeed. The people that chose that freedom is not here maintaining that freedom anymore. But I don't see how moving to sourceforge/launchpad/whatever would address this issue. They will do the technical admin part for us. There are *plenty* projects on sourceforge which are in such a irresponsible/unmaintained state where the wiki, bugtracker and mailinglists get spamed. If there is no one who cares for it now, then no one will do it there either. We will have no wiki. The ML will be moderated. I see no spam problems in Launchpad tracker. Keeping the Server running is really no much additional work ... but you don't want to do it. :-) An old rule of headless FLOSS communities is that the Doers are the ones that decide. :-) Anyone offering a different solution? (the offer must include also the time to implement and maintain it) Ciao! Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial difficulties with regard to maintaining the server. I am not in a particularly good financial situation but this program and its maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at least a small amount monthly to its continued existence. How much money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis? Could this be done via Paypal? Perhaps a donate button on the main page? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
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Ciao! I'm happy to maintain the domain. As for the administration, I can maintain it but only if we move to more self sustained platforms, like moving Track to Launchpad bugtrackers and so on. I'm already looking after Linux Stopmotion (a very small, quiete and relaxed community) and this model seems sustainable even for not so active communities. http://linuxstopmotion.org/ Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
happy to donate, considering the years of use I have obtained from Cinelerra. On 28/04/13 12:01, Christian Thaeter wrote: Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700 schrieb Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see below. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php should still work. Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server). Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time I am planning to write some Angry Mail about the current situation of the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump in here and donate some money to keep the server running. Further, what nags me MUCH more: The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history! I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep the Lights on. The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it by donations) everything else is carefree. Christian Thäter ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Ciao again! I forgot to add that at present I'm in the middle of an international film festival organization and I have no mental energy left for Cinelerra. I could do any work or migration only in June. Ciao Raffaella ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
- adam.williams.10297...@facebook.comhttps://www.facebook.com/messages/adam.williams.10297701 - http://heroinewarrior.com - http://vicacopter.com On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:57 PM, Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com wrote: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? Thanks, Richard ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Sun, 28 Apr 2013 10:05:16 + schrieb Rebecca beccato...@hotmail.com: I don't have the technical expertise or any of the skills needed for administrative tasks, etc., but I was unaware there were financial difficulties with regard to maintaining the server. I am not in a particularly good financial situation but this program and its maintenance is important to me, and I would be happy to contribute at least a small amount monthly to its continued existence. How much money do we need to be raising, say, on a monthly, or annual basis? Could this be done via Paypal? Perhaps a donate button on the main page? The financial difficulties are no big issue compared to the administrative difficulties. cinelerra.org needs someone who will work a few hours every month to keep the things running and up to date. Thats *much* more valuable than money in the current situation. Also I have to explain how the server is currently financed: cinelerra.org is *not* a public organization which can collect donations. So far (and I hope in this will work in future) there are a loose group of people. I've rented a server and some people give me money for hosting vservers on it on a private/non-commercial basis. This is all a private thing, nothing tax deductible and neither I, nor someone no one else, except the hosting company, making any profit from it. I can not ask for donations and at least if anyone wants to cover the server expenses this should be coordinated in a transparent way. I now pay for the server and I am rather more uncomfortable with the opposite when strangers send me 'donations' and no one else has some insight into this. Christian ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Transferring cinelerra.org
Am Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:57:04 -0700 schrieb Richard Baverstock richard.baverst...@gmail.com: Since I'm no longer really involved in the project, and haven't been for years, I'd like to transfer the domain to either Adam or the current leads in the unofficial version. cinelerra.org is maintained by a loose group of community people, see below. If Adam is not on this list, does anyone know his current email address? i think the email address from http://heroinewarrior.com/support.php should still work. Who is currently leading the unofficial version (or who is maintaining the web presence)? I am responsible for the server where the cinelerra.org website (and nameserver) is hosted. When we started the Server years ago I stated that I don't want to be involved with the cinelerra.org webserver maintenance (it's a vserver instance on that server). Currently there is no lead or admin for the webserver. Since some time I am planning to write some Angry Mail about the current situation of the cinelerra.org server to the mailinglist, in recent years hermanr covered the expenses (about 11Eur per month meanwhile), but the server is now in debt for some time. It would be nice if some people will jump in here and donate some money to keep the server running. Further, what nags me MUCH more: The cinelerra server is in dare need of some administrator. Juan who did that recently stepped down as he has no time for it currently. We really need some dependable admin to take care of it! There are long overdue updates and maintainance works left out. The wiki and the bugtracker gets spamed and no one cares. If this Situation does not change I cant see any solution but to disable the services which are abused (trac, wiki). If anything else fails there, gets hacked or some desaster strikes cinelerra.org will be history! I really do not want to do this job but I am willing to give anyone who wants to help here a hand. We really need someone wo takes care to keep the Lights on. The Situation for the nameserver is different as it runs on another vserver which is properly maintained any if anyone wants to keep the cinelerra.org domain up and runnning (I just checked, it's payed by Richard until Januar 2014) just contact me about the ownership transition, we/I can do all further nameserver maintenance. So whoever gets the domain he only needs to be responsible for funding (or be it by donations) everything else is carefree. Christian Thäter ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://lists.skolelinux.org/listinfo/cinelerra
