RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]

2001-06-01 Thread Belt, Louie

I filled out my survey and told them I wanted it to stay a two day lab -
and if anything - make it tougher.  The explosion of materials available to
help people get though the written and prepare for the lab has taken some of
the challenge out of the process in my opinion.  I would prefer they keep it
a 2 day lab, make it mean as h*** and keep the prestige in the cert.  I also
told them I did not want them to stop issuing the medal for those who
succeed.

Louie

-Original Message-
From: CCIE Wanna BE
To: Belt, Louie; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '
Sent: 6/1/01 8:23 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]

So what is everyone's take?
--- "Belt, Louie"  wrote:
> That is simply one possible solution.  They have
> sent a survey out to all of
> the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions. 
> 
> Louie 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CCIE Wanna BE
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
> Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> 
> A Cisco manager/CCIE told me that Cisco was planing
> on
> moving from the two day CCIE lab, to a one day
> (because of the back log).  But the 1 day isn't
> going
> to be easier, it's going to be harder
> 
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RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]

2001-06-01 Thread Belt, Louie

That is simply one possible solution.  They have sent a survey out to all of
the CCIE's to get their feedback and suggestions. 

Louie 

-Original Message-
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 6/1/01 5:35 AM
Subject: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]

A Cisco manager/CCIE told me that Cisco was planing on
moving from the two day CCIE lab, to a one day
(because of the back log).  But the 1 day isn't going
to be easier, it's going to be harder

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RE: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]

2001-05-25 Thread Belt, Louie

I agree that no one will master Cisco by passing the lab and getting their
number.  People should consider the CCIE a starting point not a destination.
The sheer amount of prep and practice you must do to prepare for and pass
the lab gaurantees a certain level of proficiency that is not present in the
written test world.  Do I know it all - absolutely not.  Do I know how to
ask the right questions and quickly find the answers to most things I don't
know - absolutely.  Am I a better engineer today than the day I passed my
CCIE - absolutley.  Are there CCIE's who were given lab scenarios too
similar to the real lab that passed them when they were not really ready -
Yes a few.  Do the lab scenarios reflect the real world? - NO, but it makes
the real world seem simple in comparison because the real world scenarios
make sense and don't ask you to not use method x in your solution.  In the
real world you are not going to face the possibility of 5 routing protocols
on 6 routers, but being able to do so in the lab means that when I'm using
OSPF as my IGP and BGP as my EGP in the real world I probably know how to do
it without much wasted effort.


That being said, I too would never hire anyone based soley on a cert.  I
would however, put the CCIE at the top of the list when interview time came
around.  In addition to a certain level of proficiency, a CCIE has also
demonstrated the tenacity to reach difficult goals and accept challenges.

Now if they would only include a "people skills" section in the lab .


Louie

-Original Message-
From: Robert Padjen
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 5/25/01 1:19 AM
Subject: RE: Is it really worth it?  "CCIE" [7:5725]

Louie - 

First congratulations. I think that, from what I know
of the lab, there is a greater disconnect between the
items on the lab and the real-world than your posting
would reflect. This is not to say that there is no
coorelation - rather it is thinner than some of us
would like. I'm embarrased when CCIEs can't explain
how to use the ARP and CAM tables to find a top
talker, or when they can't implement redundancy in
OSPF areas. The ones who can typically report that the
lab (and its prep) had little to do with their
knowledge in these areas. No exam can be everything,
and I agree completely that the CCIE is one of the
better ones, but I won't hire ANYONE because of the
letters after their name - CCIE included. It's
impressive, but only within the context of the
challenge of the exam.


--- Louie Belt  wrote:
> I respectfully disagree with some of your
> assertions.  The CCIE cert does
> demonstrate that you have an ability to troubleshoot
> a network, it also
> demonstrates your ability to build a complex network
> without leaving out the
> details.  That's why the CCIE is different from
> almost any other cert.  The
> lab goes past theory and forces practical
> application of that theory.
> Additionally, it forces you to demonstrate an
> ability to handle unknown
> scenarios in a timely manner and under extreme
> pressure.
> 
> As for my opinion of whether it's worth it - I must
> say it absolutely is!!
> 
> Louie Belt
> CCIE #7054
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Kane, Christopher A.
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 6:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Is it really worth it? "CCIE" [7:5725]
> 
> 
> I agree that a Cert is not necessarily who you are.
> I also agree that a Cert
> doesn't mean you can troubleshoot nor does it mean
> that you are capable of
> designing something that is clean and easily
> supportable. But, I feel the
> Cert does have a value. It shows that you took the
> time to learn what
> someone (presumably the vendor) suggested that you
> learn in order to better
> understand the capabilities of their product. It
> shows that you've made the
> effort to learn things that you don't normally deal
> with on a day-to-day
> basis. If you are willing to constantly learn and
> grow not only adds to your
> value as an employee, but also as a person.
> 
> Further, for those of us who did not finish school,
> it hopefully keeps the
> recruiter from shutting the door in our face. I have
> had a great time in the
> 4 years that I have been in this field. I've
> received recognition from not
> only my peers and immediate management, but also
> from senior directors. I've
> gained vast amounts of experience, starting at the
> NOC level and working up
> through the higher levels of support and
> engineering. Experience along with
> the Cert/s, should allow me to at least talk to the
> IT group of a potential
> new employer so that I may demonstrate what I am
> capable of. I've seen
> things on this list that concern me. Such as HR
> personnel preferring to talk
> to a CCNA rather than a CCNP because they've been
> told to find the CCNA and
> are not aware of what a CCNP is. Until I can finish
> school, my chances of
> gaining new employment (should I seek it) could be
> gr

RE: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]

2001-05-10 Thread Belt, Louie

Welcome to the club!!!  (you are right, Howard is the best!!)  I agree with
your advice and think all those preparing for the lab should take heed.

Congratulations!!

Louie Belt
CCIE #7054

-Original Message-
From: DUNG H. LE
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 5/10/01 9:02 AM
Subject: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]

May 7-8, 2001 - RTP Lab facility

This was attempt 2. I changed my study habits from attempt 1, and
therefore
testing technique, for my attempt 2  (you perform like you
practice..right?).  It paid off. The change was to monotonously ping
every
interface IP / IPX address from every router. I made a list of the
addresses
and ran through all of them from every router. I believe this lack of
attention to detail is what did me in on attempt one.

Time management was key.  If I didn't know the config off the top of my
head, I skipped it.  This allowed me to complete the entire day 1
portion 3
hours early.  I had 4 areas that I needed to think about, so I saved
them
for last.  I methodically approached each of the 4 areas, knocked out
each
requirement, and had 1 hour left to do the testing above.  My strategy
was
that no matter what, I would take the last hour to test thoroughly, I
just
happened to get my 4 items done.  Day 2 was the same way...although only
3
hours for the first part, I still had 45 minutes to test it all.

Troubleshooting was by far the most nerve-racking experience.  I had a
"trouble ticket" list and was told to find as many problems as I could
and
document/fix them (one liners).  Unexpectedly I had to troubleshoot a
different network than the one I had spent a day and a half configuring.
3
hours was the time limit to learn a new topology, IP scheme, protocol
intent, and then fix as much as possible.  I don't feel like I was ready
for
this, and must have just kept calm enough to manage it.

The waiting is a nerve killer.  You wait before the lab starts about an
hour
for everything and everyone to get ready.  You wait all night long for
status on day 1's score.  You wait after day 2 build out...1.5 hours for
me to find out if you made it to troubleshooting.  Then you wait
while
they add up the points and spit a number out of the computer or not.
Howard  was the best!!! Comic relief goes a long way to ease my
stress,
and he delivered. I was very comfortable in the RTP environment.

Study material used / frequency: 
Caslow 2nd edition - read it cover to cover once.
Ccbootcamp labs - practiced daily (almost and minus weekends) for 4
months 4-6 hours per day on a rack of equipment that was very
similar to
the real thing.  I was very comfortable with what was required of me for
day
1 and 2 build out.  In retrospect I would have practiced a bit more on
troubleshooting.  I was not comfortable with this at all and could have
used
some familiarity with strategy and tactic on this part.
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RE: ATM in home lab [7:287]

2001-04-11 Thread Belt, Louie

No, the Lightstream 100 doesn't use the same command set as the LS1010 -
but it doesn't need to.  You will not be required to configure the ATM
switch in the lab, just the ATM router interfaces that connect to the
switch.  As a result the Lightstream 100 will do everything you need to
practice for the lab. (CLIP, PVC's,...)

As for the cheapest route for ATM, I used a Lightstream 100, a 7000 with an
ATM interface (OC-3 Multimode) and a 4700 with a Single Mode ATM interface
(OC-3), I bought both used on ebay.  They will hold their value quite well,
so you can get your money back from them be selling them after you pass the
lab.

Louie
CCIE #7054




-Original Message-
From: Jason Harris
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 4/11/01 6:28 PM
Subject: ATM in home lab [7:287]

I am just wondering what the most cost effective way would be to
implement ATM in my home lab from somebody else who has done it before,
and I am also wondering if anyone has any thoughts on the LightStream
100 ATM switch, it seems to be a lot cheaper than the 1010 and I was
wondering if the command set, etc. was the same. I am just starting to
set up my lab and would like to buy routers that are the cheapest for
doing ATM on. 
 
Thanks,
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RE: What is minimum score for CCIE written? [7:271]

2001-04-11 Thread Belt, Louie

Actually, the score passing score doesn't adjust at all.  You must have a
score of 70 out of 100 points to pass the written.  

Louie 
CCIE #7054  

-Original Message-
From: Kim Edward B
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 4/11/01 5:46 PM
Subject: RE: What is minimum score for CCIE written? [7:271]

I heard evenif you don't answer any, you will still get 300.
Also minimum passing score changes as the mean of the score.
So if there are more people who passed with high score, they the passing
score will raise.
If lots of people fail with low score, the passing score will be
adjusted to
lower score.
So as far as I know, there isn't a fixed passing score but it is usually
around 700 something.

Ed

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What is minimum score for CCIE written? [7:271]


Zero, if you miss all the questions or don't answer any of them :->

Ok. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Passing score is 70

Chuck

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Subject:What is minimum score for CCIE written? [7:271]

Just curious.
Thanks for the reply.
Mike Bambic

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RE: Something to think about

2001-03-20 Thread Belt, Louie


Louie

-Original Message-
From: The.Rock
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/20/01 1:25 PM
Subject: Something to think about

After all, the CCNA is really just an admission ticket to play in the
big
leagues. It doesn't prove that you can play or hit the ball over the
fence.


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RE: Good IOS images

2001-03-20 Thread Belt, Louie


Louie

-Original Message-
From: Roberts, Timothy
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: 3/20/01 1:15 PM
Subject: Good IOS images


What is a goof IOS image in the 11.3 class and the 12.0 class for the
2501
series?
Thanks


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RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock

2001-03-19 Thread Belt, Louie

If I gave you all of the manuals and engineering specs on a car and told you
to study them and then tested you on every detail in those books and you
were able to pass the test would that prove anything?

If I then  gave you all of the tools and all of the parts to a car and said
"build it" and you successfully built it, and I then sent you away and I
broke the car (in several ways) and told you to come back and fix it and you
were able to fix it would this prove anything? 

Obviously it would prove a lot.  This is what the CCIE certfication is like.
You must study all of the networking manuals and know every detail and pass
a difficult exam to prove your knowledge. Then you are given all of the
tools and equipment you need and you must build an extremely complex routing
and switching network in a very short amount of time using very limiting
rules.  If you succesfully complete the task, you then get to leave while
someone "breaks your network in any untold number of ways"  you are then
told to fix it once again in a very limited time frame.

If you can accomplish this, then you become a CCIE.  I think the CCIE
certification proves a lot.  It proves you have the knowledge, the ability
and the troubleshooting skills. It also shows you can work under pressure to
accomplish a goal in a limited time.

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong 

Louie Belt
CCIE #7054

-Original Message-
From: The.Rock
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/19/01 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Reply to The Rock

oh yeah one more thing...In case you forgot, certs don't prove anything
 you really are an idiot if you think they "prove " something). The only
prove your ability to regurgitate info that you supposedly learned.
Having
the know how, and knowing how to use are two different things. Lets say
your
8 years old and I give you a bunch of craftsman tools, does that mean
you
know how to work on a car if someone said fix it? probably not. And
there's
my point. You have the tools, but do you really know how to use them,
most
newbys don't, although they have a clue ( or at least some do) they are
unsure. If you truly are experienced in every sense of the word, yes I
believe that alone, can prove your qualification. I'll take a guy with
"experience" anyday over someone who is certified and little experience.
Your the victim??? Of what ?? I didn't do it, nobody did anything to
you,
you make your own desicions, live with them. You must be a newbie cause
you
certainly can't handle responsibility if your a "victim".

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RE: Anyone selling their lab?

2001-03-19 Thread Belt, Louie

is the list of equipment I have:

2 Cisco 2501's (2 Serial, 1 Ethernet) 16 Ram 8 Flash 12.09 Enterprise Plus
IOS

1 Cisco 2502 (2 Serial, 1 Token Ring) 16 Ram 8 Flash 12.09 Enterprise Plus
IOS

1 Cisco 2504 (2 Serial 1 Token ring, 1 ISDN BRI S/T) 16 Ram 8 Flash 12.09
Enterpise Plus IOS

1 Cisco 2511 (For Reverse Telnet - 16 Async with Octal Cables, 2 Serial, 1
Ethernet) 16 Ram 8 Flash 12.09 Enterprise Plus IOS

1 Cisco 1750 (1 ISDN WIC, 1 Serial WIC, 1 2 ports FXS Voice Module, 1
FastEthernet) 48 Ram 8 Flash, 12.1(7) IP/IPX/IPSEC + Voice IOS

1 Cisco 3620 (1 Fast Ethernet - NM-1Fe, 2 Serial + 1 Ethernet - NM-1E2W, 2
FXS voice ports) 32 RAM 16 Flash, 12.1(7) Enterprise Plus IPSec APPN IOS

1 Cisco 4000M+ (4 ISDN BRI U, 2 Serial, 1 Ethernet, 1 Extra Token Ring
Module) 16 Ram 8 Flash 12.09 Enterprise Plus IOS

1 Cisco 4700 (1 ATM OC3 ST Single Mode, 2 Ethernet, 4 Serial) 32 MB Ram 16
Flash, 12.1 Enterprise Plus IPSec APPN IOS

1 Cisco 7000 (8 Serial - great frame switch, 6 Ethernet, 4 Token Ring, 2
FDDI, 1 ATM OC3 Multimode ST) 1 Power Supply, SSP 2.0MB, 64MB Ram, 16 Flash,
16MB PCMCIA Card, 11.3(18) Enterprise Plus IOS

1 Cisco Catalyst 1800 Token Ring Switch (like the menu based 3920) does
802.5 & 802.5r direct attach TR, with direct attch cables and 9 pin / RJ-45
adapters

1 Catalyst 5000 Switch (Supervisor 1 with 2 FastEthernet - ISL Trunking, 24
10MB Ethernet, 12 100FX Ethernet, 1 ATM OC3 Multimode ST) 64MB RAM 4.5(8)
CatOS

1 Lightstream 100 ATM Switch upgraded to latest revision UNI 3.0 3 ATM OC3
Multimode ST, 1 ATM OC3 Single Mode ST, 1 Ethernet)

It's all for sale now!!!

Louie Belt
CCIE #7054


-Original Message-
From: Fred Danson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 3/19/01 12:27 PM
Subject: Anyone selling their lab?

Hi everyone,

I just recently passed the CCIE written test, and have the lab scheduled
for 
October. I'm trying to build a lab of my own so I can pass that darned
test 
on the first shot. If anyone out there is selling some or all of their
lab, 
please contact me ASAP. Mabye we could work out a deal.

Thanks,

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RE: CCIE R&S lab prep

2000-11-16 Thread Belt, Louie

 The book's a farce for true CCIE lab prep.  It is not in any way enough
prep for the lab.  It segment's everything into small portions, and gives
you step by step intructions it never puts it all together (totally unlike
the lab).  Additionally, there is no bridging, DLSW+, voice, firewall
feature sets,...

It is woefully inadequate for use in CCIE prep.  If you use this book as
your main "lab prep" you will be in utter shock the day you step into the
lab.

Louie


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 11/16/00 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE R&S lab prep

I think that the most telling statement you've made is that Cisco knows
about the book, and hence the lab proctors do too.  So logically, this
book
alone will not be enough to pass the lab.

Rodgers Moore

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>
> I was talking to a Cisco SE Tuesday and he mentioned that the
All-In-One
> Cisco CCIE Lab Study Guide by Stephen Hutnik and Michael Satterlee was
the
> book to use.  Apparently many internal Cisco people in RTP use this
book
for
> preparation.  I've ordered it, and am currently using the Doyle and
Halabi
> books as well.  Has anyone used this all in one guide to prepare?  Was
it
> useful?  Also, I found out for sure there will be a small amount of
voice
on
> the test - FXS/FXO on a couple of routers.  Any idea on where to start
or
> what to read?  Maybe some CCO URLs?
>
> TIA,
>
> Chuck Church
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ACRC & Boson Tests - Opinion

2000-05-31 Thread Belt, Louie

The ACRC Test1 (318 Questions) from Boson was right on the money.  It's
syntax and devious nature may have actually exceeded that of Cisco.  It is a
good prep, especially helpful in teaching you to use clues from the
questions (and answers) to detect the wrong choices.

The ACRC Test2 (306 Questions) from Boson missed the mark.  It included a
number of questions that would be great for the CCNA test, but not
appropriate for the ACRC.  It also included a number of more obscure fill in
the blank commands that you will not face on the test (having to memorize
the exact syntax on some of these questions to prep for the "fill in the
blank" ACRC questions was a waste of time).  It was of little use in the
ACRC prep.


Final result using Laura Chappel, Exam Cram and Boson: 875 (790 required)

Any other opinions out there?

labjr

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RE: ATM Switch

2000-05-17 Thread Belt, Louie

The Lightstream 100's are Cisco.

Louie 

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Cotts
To: 'Rik Guyler'; Cisco Groupstudy (E-mail)
Sent: 5/17/00 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: ATM Switch

Consider a CAT5500 - this is the full 13 slot puppy. It can be populated
on
top with Cat blades and on the bottom with ATM blades. I have seen 5500
boxes (albeit bare) on eBay. To date I have only seen one or two
LS-1010s.
One switch is good. Two switches are better.
Some folks have LightStream 100s in their personal labs. Most likely
manufactured before Cisco bought LightStream. I know nothing about
those.
Maybe someone else can comment. 

-Original Message-
From: Rik Guyler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 1:04 PM
To: Cisco Groupstudy (E-mail)
Subject: ATM Switch


I am setting up a lab for my company and I plan to purchase 2 Cat 5k
switches.  I know that I need an ATM switch in the middle to setup LANE,
etc. but I know nothing (yet) about ATM configs.  I need to know if the
Lightstream 1010 is the entry-level (cheapest) ATM switch in Cisco's
lineup
and what I should expect to pay for such an animal as Ebay is not
currently
showing any of these for sale.  Also, if there are some "gotchas" I
should
be aware of in regards to the blades I need to purchase to do this, I
would
be most grateful.

Thanks in advance,

Rik Guyler


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RE: What does your home lab look like?

2000-05-12 Thread Belt, Louie

I've spent the last six weeks building it from scratch and have spent almost
$20,000.00 so far. (My wife has been very tolerant).  And yes, it is in my
home in a spare bedroom.

My hope is to get past the CCIE and then try to get most of my money back
out of it (rather than spend a fortune on online lab time). 

Louie

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