RE: IP Address Calculation [1:1010]
It's important to remember your default mask for all 3 address ranges when
looking at a question like this. A class B address has a default mask of 16
bits, so if " You have an IP address of 172.16.4.58 with a 12-bit subnet
mask." you would add an additional 12 bits to the default mask and from
there determine your valid hosts. 16 bits (default mask) + 12 bits
(additional bits) = 28 = 255.255.255.240; then 256 - 240 = 16. You will have
valid ranges in multiples of 16, 1-16, 17-32, 33-48, 49-64, etc... you do
have to remember to leave out the high and low addresses (network and
broadcast) leaving 14 valid host id's per subnet. Using a 172.16.4.58/28
notation would accomplish the same thing and is just an easier way to say "I
have a class B address with a 12 bit subnet mask". I personally struggled
with subnetting before it finally clicked, it's just important to remember
that there are only just so many combinations available. I would suggest
approaching this from multiple different angles until you find the one that
clicks for you, once it does you'll be amazed at how simple it all seems.
Gragg Vaill
MCP CCNA
NOS Contractor
Sprint ION NOC
Kansas City, Ks.
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Timothy R Estes
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 8:19 AM
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Subject: Re: IP Address Calculation [1:1010]
Group,
That's pretty confusing. (IMHO). If we are going to refer to subnet masks
with the /30 notation, then we need to stick to it. How would we know if
someone meant with, or without the default mask included?
my $0.02
Timothy Estes
CCNA
Tampa FL
""Travis O'Hara"" wrote in message
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Hi,
It's important to understand the wording
172.16.4.58 is a Class B address. A subnet is the 'borrowed bits' from
the
host portion of the address. In this case it is stated as being 12bits
So by default it has a 16 bit network mask a Class a has 8 and a Class C
24
255 255 00
= 16Bit netmask
|---| |---|
network host
255 255 255 240
= 16bit netmask + 12bit subnet mask
+
4bit host portion
|---| |---||--|
networksubnet host
172.16.4.58 255.255.255.240 is the ip address and network mask
(anyone got a better way of explaining this bit?)
As networks must start on a border of the subnet that they are divisible
by
(anyone got a better way of explaining this bit?)
we can figure out the the network address for this IP address with this
subnet mask starts at 172.16.4.48 (this is not a host address it's a
network/cable/segment address) first available host address is 172.16.4.49
your network size is 16 IP addresses so counting from and including
172.16.4.48 you reach 172.16.4.63. The last address of the network is
discarded as being a host address as well as this will be used as the
broadcast address for the network so the available IP's assignable to
hosts
are 172.16.4.49-62
That explanation probably sounds as clear as mud but hopefully it's
helpful.
It's important to read the questions carefully for the syntax they use and
how it is applied to the subject.
Trav.
-Original Message-
From: Mitsunori Sagae [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 23 November 2000 3:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: IP Address Calculation [1:1010]
Hi, and I am kinda lost with the following question on CCNA
sybex book.
It's on the Ch4 Review question, and says
You have an IP address of 172.16.4.58 with a 12-bit subnet
mask. What are
your valid hosts?
The answer to this question is 172.16.4.49 to 172.16.4.62
but I can never get this result,
Can someone help me on this, explaining the logic behind it?
Thanks
mitzs
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RE: NT School CCNP Boot Camp
I attended a CCNA boot camp (taught by Todd Lammle, but not sponsored by NT Schools) in January '99 and found it to be very good and informative. But, I would think that unless you have adequate background before attending the class that there is just too much information to be learned in too short of a time period for you to come away as a CCNP(I found this to be the case for myself after attending the CCNA boot camp). Any training is a good addition to anyone's knowledge base, but I certainly would not expect to acquire CCNP level knowledge in just 16 days. Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC Kansas City, Ks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher Sanchez Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NT School CCNP Boot Camp Good morning folks, Has anyone here ever heard of NT Schools? Apparently they have a 16 day boot camp and my current employer will be sending me in Jan. Has anyone ever been to one of these "boot camps" before? specifically Nt Schools boot camp? Is it any good? Would you recommend it? Are there any better one's I can pursuade my employer to send me to? Are there any things I can do to prepare before hand? I appreciate any info you can offer. Big up C _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: T3- DS3
a T-3 is equal to 28 T-1's. Your question prompted some interesting reading. From the McGraw Hill "Voice and Data Communications handbook": A T1 is the first level of T-carrier system. A DS1 is the multiplexed digital signal, first level, inside the T-carrier. From the Lan Times "Encyclopedia of Networking": Digital Signal (DS) refers to the rate and the format of digital telecommunications circuits. DS isrelated to the T designations, but DS refers to signal rates and formatting while T designations are usually applied to equipment. So, from what I have read the main difference is what the name is being applied to and not much more. I would be interested in what others on the list have to say though and I will inquire with the engineers I work with for their take on the differences this evening while at work. Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC Kansas City, Ks. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris LarsonSent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 7:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: T3- DS3 What is the difference between the 2. I know a T-3 is the about equal to 30 T-1's, but there must also be a difference in signaling right?
RE: !H !H !H!H
!H simply means that the host is unreachable. Whether this is because of an access list or that the host is disconnected or turned off is left to the imagination of the person receiving the !H notification. Odds are that unless you have physical access to the host in question you will not ever learn why the host was unreachable. Gragg Vaill NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC Kansas City, Ks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jennifer Cribbs Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:46 PM To: Rossetti, Stan; cisco Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H This is where I am getting my info.. Ref: chapter 8 of Intro to Cisco Router Configuration pages 229-230 It says responses to trace command include: !H The probe was rceived by the router, but not forwarded, usually due to an access list. PThe protocol was unreachable NThe network was unreachable UThe port was unreachable *Timout Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Are you sure? Page 1163 of Cisco IOS Configuration Fundamentals states that the character A signifies that the destination is "Administratively Unreachable. Usually, this output indicates that an access list is blocking traffic." -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 1:13 PM To: cisco; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: !H !H !H!H On the traceroute command: !H is returned 3 times if an access list prevents a router from forwarding the packet to the HOST. The 'trace' command is used to determine the route taken to a remote host. All the hops are shown as the trace probe moves toward the destination. Three probes are issued. The response time of each probe will be displayed if successful. The trace command returns a N if the network is unreachable. The P is the response if the protocol is unreachable. An * is a timeout. !H is the return for what I said above but it is regarding a traceroute command, and not a ping. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Original Message From "Rossetti, Stan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I thought !A meant this path is blocked by an access list. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: !H not a complete answer This response is returned when an access list somewhere along the path prevents a router from forwarding a packet to the HOST. and that is correct. Jennifer Cribbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Original Message From "Croyle, James" [EMAIL PROTECTED] = http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/112/chapter7.htm I think you have a routing loop as is described here. Ping from several stations and map it out. Jim -Original Message- From: Miller, Nathan (AZ15) To: Richard Bosire; Jason yee Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11/20/00 11:15 AM Subject: RE: !H Does it meas that the destination NETWORK is unreachable or the destination HOST?? -Original Message- From: Richard Bosire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 8:01 AM To: Jason yee Cc: John Huston; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: !H destination unreachable i.e not path to the destination network Jason yee wrote: hi anyone knows what does the symbol !H means in traceroute results __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ___ «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ Richard Bosire Network Engineer CCNA,CCSE AfricaOnline (k) Ltd tel +254-2-243775 fax +254-2-243762 http://www.africaonline.co.ke _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:
RE: HELP!! Confused beginner. [1:966]
I currently work in a NOC and fail to see how it is a waste of the cert. I troubleshoot a wide variety of equipment (remotely and with site techs on the phone) relating to voice and data issues. I think this will in the long run tend to make me a more well rounded person technically and allow me to be a greater value to anyone who employs me in the future (it will also enhance my paycheck significantly). I compare this to my previous incarnation as a server jockey (network admin) where we took a very vendor centric approach (similarity = ease of management, less problems = less marketability due to lack of diversity). I grant you that all NOC positions will not have the varied type of interaction that I get, but I think that getting in the door and gaining some experience is the important thing, not where you get in at. Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC Kansas City, Ks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of joshandlaura Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 5:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: HELP!! Confused beginner. [1:966] I'm afraid you won't have much luck finding an office type job that makes use of a Cisco cert. The closest thing I can think of in my experience is to work in a NOC (Network Operations Center) of some corporate data center, but that would be a waste of a good opportunity to make a better salary actually working on the equipment, besides it gets awful old just sitting in a chair all day. If you like networking just go for it, ya never know, you might like the high pace of Cisco life. "Cara Bates" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... This message might be out of place for all of you that know what you are doing, but maybe someone can help. I have recently decided to look into getting into the telecommunications, data communications line of work and am having trouble knowing where to get started. I am a college student, but I would have years to go if I decided to try and get a degree in that kind of thing right now. I have so many different answers about where to start, and Im confused. I am interested in getting some sort of work-in-an-office job (as oppossed to an on-the-field one) and I wondered what types of jobs someone who was CCNA certified might be able to get. I have connections at Verizon and Northpoint and would like to work in an environment like that, but need to know what traiing is the correct one! Someone told me that my best bet is to become CCNA certified before anything else. Anyway, any guidance as to where to start would be helpful! Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1i=966t=966 -- You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1i=970t=966 -- You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CLI help
It was my understanding that while the pre 11.3 commands would still work, that were being de-emphasized in training classes and I was only trying to be consistant with what I thought was valid not only for testing purposes, but training also. Gragg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dennis Laganiere Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:59 AM To: 'JL'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CLI help I don't have a console session in front of me, but wouldn't this be the shortest way... Router(enable)# wr t Let me know if I'm wrong - Dennis -Original Message- From: JL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CLI help The shortest possible abbreviation for "show run" would be "sh ru". If you need to do this often you could also up the up arrow or ctrl-p. When typing in commands you need only type enough letters so that IOS no longer finds the command to be ambiguous... like copy run star for copy running-configuration startup-configuration or sh ru for show run. If you are unsure about how many letters you need to type so that the command is no longer ambiguous, type out part of the command and then a question mark...like co? for copy. HTH Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CLI help Hello friends Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy specifying a shorter word. For example instead of typing "sho run", can I just type "sr" Is there any way of doing this in the CLI Please let me know Thanks Sam - Original Message - From: "azhar mumtaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "ALI SHEERAZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet] Hello: You can consult the following URL http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_ c/dcrtelnt.htm Regards Azhar Soomro "ALI SHEERAZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it be possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you. ALI SHEERAZ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom
Unfortunately I have that a lot of places could actually care less how many certs you have...if you do not have a degree. Personally, I look at them and think they must be smoking crack, but it is still a reality in some industries/parts of the USA. Gragg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rishard Chapoteau Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom I will partially agree with you. I don't want to disclose the amount I make online, but I work in NY, and I don't have a degree, but I have my MCSE, and by the end of this week I should hopefully have my CCNP as well. Here its very easy I think to get a decent job that will pay a good salary with or without your degree if you can prove yourself. Experience really counts more then anything here I think. I've only been refused one job because I didn't have a degree at Chase, but other then that I've had no problems. I think location is everything. Rishard ""Denis A. Baldwin"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message D00E59E6B585D411AC2E00C0F03B274D0ED84E@XSERVER">news:D00E59E6B585D411AC2E00C0F03B274D0ED84E@XSERVER... This is a point that I would like to make emphasis on. Here in Michigan, I know many people who have the standard respected certs (A+/MCSE/CCNA) and are averaging $55-65000 a year. Note that most of these people have these certs and 5 or so years of experience. In California, the same jobs tend to net you $75-85000 a year, but you have to consider that the cost of living is incredibly high out there. Another point that needs to be made (and the wall that I and a friend of mine have run into numberous times) is that employers (at least in Michigan) still need you to have a degree. I walked into an interview with my A+, MCP, I-Net+, Network+ and 6 years of real world experience and go turned down because I was 16 credits from having my degree. The interviewer was kind enough to let me know that I qualified in every thing they ask for except the degree, saying that a minimum of a bachelors is needed. None the less, the person they did hire @ $61,000 a year had 6 months experience at an ISP and only his bachelors. This just goes to show that the piece of paper still needs something. Denis You will not make 70 grand a year just for getting your MCSE. You will not get 90 grand a year just for your CCNP. And I doubt you will get $120 grand a year when you get your CCIE. Somewhere around half of this is realistic for the MCSE or CCNP. The only possible things that will get you close this amount of money is an added college degree, many years of experience or living somewhere that the cost of living is double compared to the rest of the country. Sorry if this ruins your dreams of getting rich quick, but is better someone told you before you spend the time and money. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom
fat fingering the keyboard strikes again...the first sentence should have read "Unfortunately, I have been to a lot of places that could actually care less how many certs you haveif you do not have a degree." maybe I should consider typing classes before pursuing anymore certs...lol Gragg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JL Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom Unfortunately I have that a lot of places could actually care less how many certs you have...if you do not have a degree. Personally, I look at them and think they must be smoking crack, but it is still a reality in some industries/parts of the USA. Gragg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rishard Chapoteau Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom I will partially agree with you. I don't want to disclose the amount I make online, but I work in NY, and I don't have a degree, but I have my MCSE, and by the end of this week I should hopefully have my CCNP as well. Here its very easy I think to get a decent job that will pay a good salary with or without your degree if you can prove yourself. Experience really counts more then anything here I think. I've only been refused one job because I didn't have a degree at Chase, but other then that I've had no problems. I think location is everything. Rishard ""Denis A. Baldwin"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message D00E59E6B585D411AC2E00C0F03B274D0ED84E@XSERVER">news:D00E59E6B585D411AC2E00C0F03B274D0ED84E@XSERVER... This is a point that I would like to make emphasis on. Here in Michigan, I know many people who have the standard respected certs (A+/MCSE/CCNA) and are averaging $55-65000 a year. Note that most of these people have these certs and 5 or so years of experience. In California, the same jobs tend to net you $75-85000 a year, but you have to consider that the cost of living is incredibly high out there. Another point that needs to be made (and the wall that I and a friend of mine have run into numberous times) is that employers (at least in Michigan) still need you to have a degree. I walked into an interview with my A+, MCP, I-Net+, Network+ and 6 years of real world experience and go turned down because I was 16 credits from having my degree. The interviewer was kind enough to let me know that I qualified in every thing they ask for except the degree, saying that a minimum of a bachelors is needed. None the less, the person they did hire @ $61,000 a year had 6 months experience at an ISP and only his bachelors. This just goes to show that the piece of paper still needs something. Denis You will not make 70 grand a year just for getting your MCSE. You will not get 90 grand a year just for your CCNP. And I doubt you will get $120 grand a year when you get your CCIE. Somewhere around half of this is realistic for the MCSE or CCNP. The only possible things that will get you close this amount of money is an added college degree, many years of experience or living somewhere that the cost of living is double compared to the rest of the country. Sorry if this ruins your dreams of getting rich quick, but is better someone told you before you spend the time and money. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CLI help
The shortest possible abbreviation for "show run" would be "sh ru". If you need to do this often you could also up the up arrow or ctrl-p. When typing in commands you need only type enough letters so that IOS no longer finds the command to be ambiguous... like copy run star for copy running-configuration startup-configuration or sh ru for show run. If you are unsure about how many letters you need to type so that the command is no longer ambiguous, type out part of the command and then a question mark...like co? for copy. HTH Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sam Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CLI help Hello friends Is there any way that I can reduce repetitive typing of the same command buy specifying a shorter word. For example instead of typing "sho run", can I just type "sr" Is there any way of doing this in the CLI Please let me know Thanks Sam - Original Message - From: "azhar mumtaz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "ALI SHEERAZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [Reverse Telnet] Hello: You can consult the following URL http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/12cgcr/dial_ c/dcrtelnt.htm Regards Azhar Soomro "ALI SHEERAZ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, I want a reverse telnet session to a modem thru a 2501 router ,how can it be possible...any configuration commandson async and aux ports..the modem is external 56000bps voice/fax...i'll be thankful to you. ALI SHEERAZ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom
It sounds like the market you are living in is oversaturated. Having similar experiences while living in Des Moines, Iowa, my solution was to go where the work is (in my case Kansas City) It has been stated by numerous people on this list previously and not to beat a dead horse...but, early in your career as an insert job title here it is to your advantage to be mobile. I was originally able to get into the IT field with only experience and no certifications because of this and now have a position that allows me to troubleshoot voice and data circuits Cisco, nortel, Marconi, and Fore equipment. The company I am working for provides me with an extensive library of CBT's to choose from at my leisure. They also send their personall out to classroom training on a regular basis. This coupled with the numerous opportunities for advancement and cross training within the company (tuition reimbursement and stock options too!) made this an easy choice for me to come on board with them, even though it required me to move for the 3rd time in 3 years. If you are are relatively new in the field and/or lacking a degree (much like I am), you want to get in and start working yesterday (of course, today will do also), I would suggest you adopt the mantra that I have. "mobility=advancement/opportunity". If you can adapt this sentiment (and not all can, we all have different circumstances), finding employment with your new insert brand name here certification will be greatly simplified. FYI, in my case the CCNA was what attracted their attention to me (achieved while working on MCSE). Good luck to all the job seekers out there and DO try to be as mobile as you can...it will most certainly help you in your search. Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA NOS Contractor Sprint ION NOC Overland Park, Kansas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denis A. Baldwin Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: I passed CCNP. Some Wisdom This is a point that I would like to make emphasis on. Here in Michigan, I know many people who have the standard respected certs (A+/MCSE/CCNA) and are averaging $55-65000 a year. Note that most of these people have these certs and 5 or so years of experience. In California, the same jobs tend to net you $75-85000 a year, but you have to consider that the cost of living is incredibly high out there. Another point that needs to be made (and the wall that I and a friend of mine have run into numberous times) is that employers (at least in Michigan) still need you to have a degree. I walked into an interview with my A+, MCP, I-Net+, Network+ and 6 years of real world experience and go turned down because I was 16 credits from having my degree. The interviewer was kind enough to let me know that I qualified in every thing they ask for except the degree, saying that a minimum of a bachelors is needed. None the less, the person they did hire @ $61,000 a year had 6 months experience at an ISP and only his bachelors. This just goes to show that the piece of paper still needs something. Denis You will not make 70 grand a year just for getting your MCSE. You will not get 90 grand a year just for your CCNP. And I doubt you will get $120 grand a year when you get your CCIE. Somewhere around half of this is realistic for the MCSE or CCNP. The only possible things that will get you close this amount of money is an added college degree, many years of experience or living somewhere that the cost of living is double compared to the rest of the country. Sorry if this ruins your dreams of getting rich quick, but is better someone told you before you spend the time and money. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MCSE or CCNA or both [1:763]
I'm not so sure, myself within 48 hours of updating my resume online to reflect my CCNA I received a job offer. Without having both certifications no one would talk to me about employment (this with 3 years experienceas a network admin/help desk)Of course when going for entry level positions it certainly helps if you are or can be mobile (i.e. have the ability to relocate). I moved to Kansas City to take a position working for Sprint on their ION platform as a Network Operations Specialist. I get to learn ATM, troubleshoot Nortel PVG's, Lucent Stinger DSLAMs, Cisco 12012GSR routers...etc... None of this would have been possible without my ability to move and my CCNA (having an MCP was an added bonus). Good Luck all looking for work (keep an eye on Sprint for openings BTW)and once again thanks to all on this who spend their own time to tutor those of who are climbing the ranks. Gragg Vaill MCP CCNA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MCSE or CCNA or both [1:763] There is another forum here :Jobs@groupstudy. In the past days I remember seeing several postings of new CCNA holders who were not getting any job offers with their new certification. BUT who knows what THEIR experience overall was like?? I believe that from what I have seen a CCNA will NOT guarantee you a job (neither will an MCSE)and that in the end your all around knowledge/experience is what will count. Hiring managers are generally smart enough to know that just because someone has an MCSE or CCNA does not necessarily mean they can really do the job. Many conduct interviews with numerous technical questions to test your level of expertise. The best you can hope for is that the CCNA/MCSE will win you an interview. We all hope that a company will hire us and give us the opportunity to get the experience to warrant that high paycheck. If you find such a company please let me know as I will go work for them also. Of course if you have the experience to do MCSE and/or CCNA level work you can probably get along without either certification. T. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=1i=877t=763 -- You are reading GroupStudy's Associate Mailing List. To unsubscribe follow the directions on http://www.groupstudy.com/list/Associates.html _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fw: All CCNA 2.0 CCNP 2.o Beta Questions - FREE
What you are proposing is not help, but a method of cheapening the certification for those of us who have worked and studied hard to achieve our goals. A person will find greater worth in something if they have to work to attain it, instead of having it given to them. You cheapen the certifications and anyone you "assist" in this manner (yourself included). This list IS about helping others, not about helping each other to "cheat" more effectively. I find your commentary about about Mr. Haun to be as offensive to me, as his language was to you (FWIW, I do not approve of his language, only the sentiment expressed by it). JL MCP CCNA (worked and studied for both) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Syed Faisal Ashraf Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 6:16 AM To: Frank Haun Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fw: All CCNA 2.0 CCNP 2.o Beta Questions - FREE This message is for Mr. Frank Haun. Our elders tell us to think before speaking but probably that doesn't apply to idiots like you because that would require grey matter inside your skull which you don't have. It is very easy to make enemies but it takes courage to make friends. I am quite sure you and Muhammad or for that matter I don't know each other, then where is this hatred coming from Mr. Frank Haun. Do you feel so insecure about your skills that you are afraid that helping others to pass CCNA or CCNP will jeopardies your job. I subscribed to this mailing list to help and be helped. But if someone out there needs help, how does it matter if they get little feed back from this forum. So for next time I hope you will use what ever is left of your grey matter in the benefit of others. I really respect those who post answers on this forum knowing they will not get anything out of it. This message is for Muhammad, Dear Muhammad, Someone posted the address of this following web site earlier on this discussion group: www.sasaschool.com Cisco site is also full of good info. --- Frank Haun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you lazy bastards tried studying yet? Why would you need the questions if you know the answers? Muhammad wrote: I am also in need of a copy of the CCNP questions and material regards,Muhammad - Original Message - From: manoj kumar To: JJE ; CiscoKing ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, August 25, 2000 9:52 PMSubject: Re: All CCNA 2.0 CCNP 2.o Beta Questions - FREE Hello, I would like a copy of CCNP questions and material. I have finished my CCNA and am preparing for my CCNP. I would be greateful to you warm regards manoj India --- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCNA 507 flashcards
There are also some pretty good flash cards included on the cd accompanying Todd's CCNA book (the newer one for the 507 test). I also found a website that does knowledge drills (kind of an online version of flash cards I suppose), it is subscription based but I felt it was inexpensive (cost is a major factor for me, being unemployed right now). JL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 2:21 PM To: Fowler, Joey; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: CCNA "507" flashcards / The Exam Cram publisher has flash cards for the CCNA 2.0, 640-507. You get 250 cards for $23 and change. I believe about 50 of the cards are on router commands. \ Quoting "Fowler, Joey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jesse, I wasn't able to find any for the CCNA, what I did which was helpful in my studying, was I would read the book the first time, just to get an overview, I didn't spend a lot of time studying every detail, but the second time around I had a stack of Index Cards, and I would go through a section at a time and write out my own, for instance on one side I would write "previous command", and on the other side put up arrow or Ctrl+p. While this took time just having created the cards myself was a tremendous study aid. I could then turn around and use them on my 2 hour commute! Joey Fowler -Original Message- From: Bessette, Jesse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:30 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: CCNA "507" flashcards Im looking for CCNA "507" flashcards...any ideas? ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This mail sent through Atlantic.Net Webmail: http://webmail.atlantic.net/ ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Book sugession - CCNA
The main difference between Todd's 407 book and the 507 book is the depth that it goes into vlans and isdn configuration. If you can find a source to make up for those differences the 407 book should suffice. I also used the Exam Cram books for a refresher, Todd's 507 book, the ICND book and a couple routers here at home. All of the above allowed me to pass the exam with a respectable score. JL -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of GNOMESent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:51 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Book sugession - CCNA I used ICND Course book and CCNA 640-507 Exam Certification Guide by Odom Wendell. "Saswata Mohapatra" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 008401c011cb$d2909d60$b2e03604@computer">news:008401c011cb$d2909d60$b2e03604@computer... Hi All I am preparing for CCNA. Can you suggest areal good book? I have Lamle's 407 book. Is this book suffice? Please advice. Thanks Saswata
RE: Study Habits Part 2
begin Rant modeLest we become deluged by by prayers to the "Invisible Pink Unicorn" or the "Multi-Tentacled Purple Squid', not to mention many other slightly more mainstream religions, I think such chants and neditations should be left off list. I would like to think thateducated,highly technical people would have no need for such mindless superstitions, but alas, I am constantly reminded that while people can be VERY intelligent in one area, they are extremely deficient in others.end Rant mode Can we please keep our respective religious beliefs off line and all focus on our goal of certification? thank you, JL BSOFH -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of gwakinSent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:07 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Study Habits Part 2this is strictly theological piccadillo but it's the 'Prayer of St. Francis.' disclaimer- Contrary to popular belief, we RCs worship neither the saints nor the pope, so semantical inaccuracies like this tend to make some of us a little edgy. Seems appropriate that we can add hard work and study to a virtuous, principled life prayer... the only thing we can't really claim is the Franciscan vow of 'poverty, chastity, and obedience', especially if we're studying for a certification that will allow us to earn $120K/yearly and above. Chuck Larrieu wrote: Prayer to St. Francis Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace. Where there is hatred, let me sow love; where there is injury, pardon; where there is doubt, faith; where there is despair, hope; where there is darkness, light; where there is sadness, joy. O, Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console; to be understood as to understand; to be loved as to love; For it is in giving that we receive; it is in pardoning that we are pardoned; it is in dying that we are born again to eternal life; it is in studying that we pass certification tests Chuck ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
RE: Cisco Certified Salaries
It will depend on where you are locatedjust like real estate. If you really want to compare, compare with people in your area, that will be the only accurate measure. JL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Brad Ellis Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 2:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Cisco Certified Salaries Chad, With 3 months of experience what do you expect??? $150k/yr? You still need to "prove" yourself. No offense, but the certs you have aren't very hard to get. If you get overtime, that is a pretty cool...a lot of places won't pay OT these days. Give yourself a year or two in the business. After that experience, plus a CCNP you should be closer to $60-$70k /yr. Keep chugging along! -Brad ""Chad A. Simmons, MCSE"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 001e01bfce57$292af160$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:001e01bfce57$292af160$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I am a consultant for a small consulting firm. I have about 3 months of (real experience. I used to do small consulting jobs on the side) experience. I have earned my MCP, MCSE, CCNA, and CCDA. I am currently persuing my CCNP. I make only 29,000 a year plus overtime. This seems low to me. I was wondering what anyone in a similar situation is making. Best Regards, Chad, MCP, MCSE, CCNA, CCDA ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Value of Cisco Certifications
Title: FW: Value of Cisco Certifications It depends on the same three thing that business does...location, location, location JL B.S.O.F.H. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Prather, AaronSent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 4:00 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: FW: Value of Cisco Certifications I hope i dont deflate anyone's ideas of what cisco certified people make but this is my situation :) CCNP, CCDP, CCIE Cand., MCSE, MCP+I, MCNE5/4, Network+ I make 35k a year :) think about that for a little while Aaron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/31/00 3:27 PM Subject: RE: Value of Cisco Certifications Maybe a CCDA on the list could take a stab at that... -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Value of Cisco Certifications Thank you...How about CCDA's? Thanks Jim At 09:14 PM 05/31/2000 +0100, you wrote: Jim, I have 16 months hands-on networking experience and got my CCNA in February. I'm happy where i'm at but i'm still getting offers for decent jobs with decent companies. My lowest offer to date has been 62k/yr. Most are around 65k...I thinks that's fair. i know CCNA's with 3-5 yrs exp. pulling down 75-80k. Hope this is useful. R Gore -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2000 12:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Value of Cisco Certifications* Does anyone know what the value (salary) of someone who holds a Cisco certification? * - or - Does anyone know the industry standard value of a Cisco certification? * If not does anyone know where to find out this info? (ie Someone who holds a CCNA, what is the approximate industry standard salary?) Thanks Jim ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
