RE: Network Analyzers [7:72346]
Packetyzer is a Windows based front end for Ethereal. It makes using Ethereal much more user friendly. For freeware it is really good. www.packetyzer.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Network Analyzers [7:72346] I really like Sniffer. But I have not tried EtherPeek. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=72387t=72346 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RADIUS command accounting [7:61990]
I know that for the longest time Cisco didn't support aaa accounting of commands to be sent to a RADIUS server. It was supported via TACACS+ but not RADIUS. I have seen recently that this has changed (in O'Reilly's book on hardening routers and in a couple different lists). Does anyone have any information on this? Is it true? What is the minimum version of IOS (I have heard 12.2)? Do you need a specific RADIUS server? I know that moving to TACACS+ would fix my problem, but staying with Radius would be preferable. TIA Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=61990t=61990 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481]
I have taken all of the classes listed below while in the engineering school at University of Wisconsin. I know that there was not one of them that demanded the attention to detail and total commitment that was required to get my CCIE. I carried a 4.0 through almost all of those classes while barely cracking a book. I wish I could have said the same about my CCIE. Then I wouldn't have had to ignore my wife and son for the last year and a half. I am not knocking a degree, because I feel it is as important if not more so than my certification. But to say that the degree is tougher is not necessarily true. It is comparing apples to oranges. The degree is almost all book knowledge where if you can regurgitate the correct answer without totally understanding it you pass. Try to pass the lab without a complete understanding of the topics covered. But at the same time, the CCIE focuses on a narrow range of topics where any good degree forces you to learn a wide breadth of information. Anyone who knocks either without having achieved them both is not doing justice to the people who worked hard to achieve what they have done. I know of engineers who said their CCIE was harder than their degree and vice versa. So give everyone credit for what they have achieved and don't knock them for what they haven't. I hate to admit it but the smartest person I ever knew in my life only had a sixth grade education and taught himself everything on his own after that. He taught himself Calculus, Physics and a lot of advanced engineering skills. He never had a diploma, degree or any certifications. But if I can ever achieve one tenth of the knowledge that he had I would be happy. Titles and letters after your name mean nothing, the only thing that matters is what you can do, and that you never give up. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of l0stbyte Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no more than a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! College is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a business degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I have you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same road. When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know. Calculus Physics Finance Accounting Economics CS-programming CS-operating systems CS-networking Daniel Ladrach CCNA, CCNP WorldCom All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by far more challenging. My two cents.. :) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=60137t=59481 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Rack Mounting Kit for 1600/1720??? [7:43407]
I have a customer that swears that he has seen a kit to rack mount a 1600/1720 router. Has anyone ever heard of this? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43407t=43407 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Wanted - Cisco 4 port IMA ATM T1 card for 3600 [7:37462]
I am looking for one of these cards if anyone happens to have one that they don't need. Jim Newton Network Engineer iNOC Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] work 608-663-4555 cell 608-516-6068 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=37462t=37462 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Anyone Higher? - FR Uptime [7:30920]
I have been working with frame from big providers for about three years, MCI, CW and Sprint. They also take down circuits on a semi-regular basis. I, unfortunately, have just learned to live with it and keep their tech support numbers real handy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Perdue Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Anyone Higher? - FR Uptime [7:30920] From what I have seen it is a bad idea to buy Frame Relay from anyone other than the large providers. From my experience and others that I know, Worldcom and Sprint, and ATT seem to offer the most stable service, but this service normally comes with a hefty price tag. Actually, though, the larger providers are becoming a lot more competitive in pricing lately because of the uncertainty with the economy and the slowdowns in spending. However, no matter who is providing the service, you will always be at the mercy of the local loop. -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Anyone Higher? - FR Uptime [7:30920] During the years I have been administering frame relay, I have been dealing with four different providers and four different telco's, but I have so far not seen any circuit being up for a long time without problems. I believe that the longest I have seen a f.r. circuit being up is about a little less the half a year, and one of our providers had an average of downing one of our circuit every 1.5 months. We have four circuits (three branch offices and one corp.) with a provider, and all three branch offices has now been down once (at different dates) in less than four months. So, I am looking for a possitive story in the Frame Relay world. Who can with a smile tell me about a frame relay connection that has been up for a year or more - or would that be totally sci-fi??? I am getting SO frustrated and irritated that I have to deal with so much trouble with simple WAN connections. Thanks, Ole ~~~ Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNP, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~ http://www.RouterChief.com ~~~ NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job ~~~ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=30936t=30920 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Boson CCDA test? [7:28240]
I have a friend getting ready to test for this, which test do people recommend these days? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=28240t=28240 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: backing up IOS on workstation [7:18512]
You can also go to this site and download 3-Com's tftp, ftp, syslog server. It works great and it is nice to have all three functions in one tool. http://www.certyourself.com/downloads.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: backing up IOS on workstation [7:18512] Kiwi is great and free :), but these guys have one just as great and free http://solarwinds.net (Just thought i might add that) - Original Message - From: Michael L. Williams To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 4:40 AM Subject: Re: backing up IOS on workstation [7:18512] Funny you mention Kiwi although I don't use their TFTP software, I do use their FREE syslog daemon.. works great. So if you need to keep a log or output alot of debug, the Kiwi syslog daemon is GREAT!!! Mike W. Ednilson Rosa wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Try Kiwi's Cat Tools: http://www.kiwi-enterprises.com/ There are free versions for download. ER - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 8:09 PM Subject: backing up IOS on workstation [7:18512] I would like to know if there is a software or method that will allow me to backup the IOS to my windows ME workstation? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=18587t=18512 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: TO SUMMARIZE LOOPBACK IN OSPF [7:18064]
You need to configure the loopback interface as an ospf point-to point interface. I remember that this is the cure, but am too busy this morning to look up what the problem is and why it cures it. If I had a little more time, it would probably come to me. Anyone with more time who wants to field this can find the info on CCO, I am just too swamped today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Grad Alfons Kanon Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: TO SUMMARIZE LOOPBACK IN OSPF [7:18064] And the other one is for AREA 0, if we use for FR hub and spoke, let says using /29, eventhough I summarize it (AREA 0 RANGE command), i still get /29 on the routing table -- From: Grad Alfons Kanon[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: Grad Alfons Kanon Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 6:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:TO SUMMARIZE LOOPBACK IN OSPF [7:18064] Hello all, I configure loopback interface with /24 ip address, buat when I put into the ospf area, I only see the route /32. I tried to use AREA XX RANGE command, but still failed, any idea how to enable this route bcome /24 ..? regards Grad _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=18092t=18064 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: I have a customer who... food for thought - static routes [7:17887]
Chuck, I am currently working on straightening out a network with the same thing as one of its major problems. Except they have in the neighborhood of 1300 static routes. The absurd part is that they are running OSPF but not using it for routing. Let me explain. They have many external customers who connect to their network and they have promised that they won't advertise the customer networks inside their own network or in a way that other customers may see the info: hence all of the static routes. They use the OSPF as a network management tool. They use the hellos and neighbor states to determine if the frame relay links are up. We are in the process of doing a complete redesign to cure all of these problems. I wish I could use ODR, but unfortunately this is not a Cisco network. I am thinking of setting up two OSPF processes on the host router, one for the internal network, and one for all of the customers. Then I will try to set it up so that we only receive the info at the customer site that they should see and filter the rest. This would allow us to receive the info about their network but not advertise anything we are not supposed to. I will build it in the lab first and test it. Since my customer has control of the router at the customer sites, this may work. I wish you luck with yours. Let me know if you find a work around for it -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Farhan Ahmed Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 2:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: I have a customer who... food for thought - static routes [7:17824] u might need to consider a radius server and map routes to the usernames -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 10:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: I have a customer who... food for thought - static routes [7:17819] I have a customer who... don't you love it when a post begins with those words? In my case, I am hoping this can serve as food for thought, a springboard for discussion. So here goes My customer is a high tech firm whose name you would all recognize, if I were to exhibit ill manners by revealing it. My project ( well, I'm just the junior assistant engineer ) is to develop and proof configurations for a private remote access network. DSL at the home, ATM at the central site. Not a VPN. This circuit does not touch the internet. In any case, the client is expecting 500-1000 home users on this network. Here's the kicker. the client refuses to allow routing protocols on either the home user routers ( Cisco 827's ) or the central site router ( Cisco 7206 ) That means how many static routes at the host site? :-0 Food for thought - what are some of the reasons the customer might not want a routing protocol of any kind on this network? When discussing with the customer engineer in charge of this project, I was given a couple of reasons, and upon hearing them I saw the point and agreed the concerns were valid. BTW, the point was not that the customer hates me and wants me to spend the next three weeks typing in static routes. Nor is it that the customer does not get it. It is not a matter of good or bad design. So, in light of the old saw that static routes are not scalable, and should be avoided, what might be some reasons that a designer would demand a network of this size and relative complexity, with users being added, subtracted, and relocated, thus creating long term employment for the router administrator, be composed entirely of static routes? What are the plusses? What is the downside? Your analyses, please. Chuck P.S. I think I'm going to try again. Maybe On Demand Routing would solve my problem and the customer's. Oops, that's right. The major component of ODR is not allowed on this network either. ( hint ) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17887t=17887 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2501 Acces Pro [7:17414]
Has anyone had any experience with these? I just was given two of them for free and want to upgrade them to new code. When I try to upgrade them, I get a message that says wrong software for this platform. I'm not sure if it is because the boot rom is too old, or if it is something else. If I put in new 2500 boot rom and upgrade the memory, will these run the new code? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17414t=17414 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2501 Acces Pro [7:17414]
No these are actual 2501's but they are cheap versions of the real thing. They are painted white, and don't seem to have full IOS on them, but I was just wondering if they are upgradeable if I go through the work. -Original Message- From: Daniel Cotts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:50 PM To: 'Jim Newton'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 2501 Acces Pro [7:17414] Are you talking about router cards that fit into a PC? Check the archives of GroupStudy. We used to have a fellow on list who sold them. He posted some advice. Look for Oz around late '99 to '00. He still has a web page up but dated. http://www.mcseco-op.com/CiscoStuff.htm -Original Message- From: Jim Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2501 Acces Pro [7:17414] Has anyone had any experience with these? I just was given two of them for free and want to upgrade them to new code. When I try to upgrade them, I get a message that says wrong software for this platform. I'm not sure if it is because the boot rom is too old, or if it is something else. If I put in new 2500 boot rom and upgrade the memory, will these run the new code? Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=17425t=17414 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Best study materials to use [7:16946]
I agree that sometimes navigating through a Cisco device can be difficult. But it is still ten times better than most of the competition. I have spent a lot of time lately working with Extreme and Nortel equipment. Their CLI is so awkward that it makes the work twice as hard. Now I know that there will be some of you out there who have spent lots of time on these boxes and will say that they are easier than Cisco, but I think even with all of its little drawbacks, IOS still beats most other operating systems. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Priscilla Oppenheimer Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Best study materials to use [7:16946] No, Cisco is not listening. ;-) Serisouly, they don't follow Group Study (not officially any way.) The Cisco course developers wrote the material in the Cisco Press course books. Many of them have an engineering background but prefer to develop courses and write. I was one, for example. ;-) The idea of using course developers and writers that aren't subject matter experts doesn't work, although many companies have tried it. The results are awful. Having engineers write doesn't work either in some cases. But there are people who can do both and that's generally who Cisco hires in the training department. (with some exceptions) Regarding the tests, I'm not sure, but I don't think they are written by subject matter experts. They are written by testing experts that go through the material written by the course developers and pick out phrases to turn into questions. Regarding configuring Cisco switches. I agree. It's way harder than it needs to be. There are some things that just make me laugh out loud they are so ugly for no reason. I have a theory about this. I think the commands are planned by junior software engineers. But that theory may be as wrong as your theory about Cisco course developers. Priscilla At 01:29 PM 8/23/01, Leigh Anne Chisholm wrote: Unfortunately Peter, having just written the Routing 2.0 and Switching 2.0 exams, I'd have to disagree. To pass the exams, Cisco Press is the best source you can get if that's your only goal. The old CCNP 1.0 exam series took a lot of heat for being ambiguous, poorly worded, difficult to understand. Likely they were written by people with technical knowledge that didn't have any experience writing. The new CCNP 2.0 exam series is straight forward, very little ambiguity, and the questions seem to be word-for-word straight from the course material. I think Cisco likely went in the opposite direction and hired people that knew nothing about networking but could write. With a miniscule of knowledge about multicasting, I read over one chapter the night before, skipped the second on how to configure multicasting, and scored 100%. My third highest section score was multi-layer switching, which I read over the morning of the exam. Cisco--are you listening? I'm extremely disappointed in the quality of the questions on the exam. I'm tinkering around with a Cat 5 and a 2924XL right now. It's been a year and a half since I last touched a Cat 5 (I was quite proficient back then) but I'm constantly accessing the help facility to get the correct format of the command on the Cat 5 and as for the 2924XL? That's just plain ugly. I'm used to the 1900 series IOS commands. Trunk on. Set trunk on. Who the heck would think that a trunk command would be prefaced with switchport? That's the last place I looked on the 2924XL. It's now ungodly easy to become a paper CCNP - because I passed the exam and yet I'm as awkward as can be navigating the switch. Yes I know the concepts and theory... but it will take me a bit of time to get up to speed finding my way around--and I'll be there in about two and a half weeks. THAT's when I should be able to pass the exam--and not before. With the relative ease of questions, with the fact that you don't have to apply the knowledge to pass (just regurgitate), the CCNP certification won't be highly regarded in the industry and it shouldn't be. One thing I might mention--is that I'm disappointed in the exams--not the Cisco Press material. Cisco Press's books are a great resource for finding out how to do things. If the only goal is to pass the exam, Cisco Press is the way to go. And that's truly disappointing. What we do at CertificationZone.com... what I do at Sybex... that's such a completely different philosophy. The focus there is on learning--having the skills and knowledge to pass the exam. You've got to think because you're not spoon fed. CertificationZone as a preparation source is just awesome (but then again, I'm biased aren't I?) If you're the type of person that wants to use the tests to determine how well they've developed a skill set... CertificationZone and other 3rd party publishers that publish quality material are the best source of study material because you won't pass
RE: What is the quickest way to reload a router? [7:15247]
How about erase start, then copy start run? Don't know for sure, but it would make sense. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Harrison, Michael Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 7:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: What is the quickest way to reload a router? [7:15247] I cannot test this yet (I will tonight) but I would try the following: Enter setup mode; escape from setup; save config. That should completely overwrite the current config without reloading. -Original Message- From: Albert Lu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What is the quickest way to reload a router? [7:15247] Hello group, A quick question. What is the quickest way to reload a router to it's default config. I use erase nvram and then reload. Is there a way of doing this without doing the reload which can take a long while. Thanks Albert _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida, Inc., and its subsidiary and affiliate companies are not responsible for errors or omissions in this e-mail message. Any personal comments made in this e-mail do not reflect the views of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Florida, Inc. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=15263t=15247 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Passed written [7:14510]
Today I passed the written. I was so worried about it that I kept putting it off to study more, I guess I should have done it a while ago. It was not as bad as I thought. I used the same stuff as everyone else. Doyle: Routing TCP/IP Vol 1 Caslow: BRS second edition Halabi: Internet Routing Architectures Clark: Cisco Lan Switching Rossi's Token Ring Paper and the books from CCNP and CCDP. Especially CID, BCRAN, and ACRC. I also used Boson test 1 and test 2, and Certificationzone. The token ring paper on Certzone was a great compliment to Rossi's. Also their practice tests were awesome. Well, I have this out of the way, now on to the big one. Lots of late nights between now and next spring. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=14510t=14510 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reference material on pings?? [7:13107]
I am trying to find an in-depth guide to pings. I notice with my sniffer that when I issue a ping from my laptop that there are three requests for each reply. Is this normal? Also I want to learn more about the TTL field. Do routers really only decrement it by one as the packet passes through? I just have a few questions about the nuts and bolts of this and probably traceroute also, stuff that isn't in the normal books. I have read the RFC and what I want is not there. I have also looked around CCO quite a bit, and haven't found anything, not that this means that the info is not there. If anyone knows of a good book or on-line source, I would appreciate it. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=13107t=13107 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Caslow Ver 1 vs. Ver 2? [7:7730]
I keep seeing everyone recommend Caslow version two. I was just wondering what the main difference is from version one. I already have a copy of version one, and was wondering what I was missing. Jim Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=7730t=7730 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX
I would definitely have to disagree with "certs can help you get a job they do not really educate you unless you are completely new to the networking field." I think that if in the process of getting your cert, you read something other that exam cram, there is a lot to learn. If you look at the cert process as a chance to learn new things, rather than as a chance to memorize a bunch of stuff, there is a lot to be learned. Maybe you can recite by heart every intricacy of the routing protocols covered in "Routing TCP/IP" by Doyle. Not just how to configure them, but how they operate and how they make decisions, or all of the info on switching contained in "LAN Switching" by Kennedy. But most people can't. They may know quite a bit, but if you read both of those books from cover to cover I am willing to bet that somewhere in them there will be at least one new thing that you learn, or hadn't thought about before. The process also let's some of us who don't work in an IBM environment learn something about those protocols. Does this matter? Yes because the more you understand about different protocols, the deeper you can understand how yours work, and how to make them interoperatre. So, if you approach the cert process as a chance to learn that one new thing, rather that memorize what you need to pass a test, then it can educate you. They can give you the incentive to read that one book that you could never find the time to read before, or to try something new in your lab, and figure out how it really works, rather that just how to configure it. You can only learn if you let yourself learn, but if you do then anything can be a learning experience. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stuart Laubstein Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 11:17 AM To: 'B J'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AW: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX I disagree with the assesment of the CCNA being a hard test. I would say it was much easier than any university exam I took with the possible exception of Psych100. You also do not need many math skills to pass a CCNA-ok maybe what hex and binary are etc but thats about it. Even BCRAN and BCMSN were not all that hard. University gives you an education and while certs can help you get a job they do not really educate you unless you are completely new to the networking field. I do agree that with more and more books coming on the market all certs will have more people completing them including juniper and CCIE but that is what Cisco and Juniper want as they need support people if they want to keep increasing sales. stuart -Urspr|ngliche Nachricht- Von: B J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet am: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:52 PM An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX The CCNA is far harder than any test one will encounter with a major in Education, Anthropology, History, Business Management, etc. Do you really think the dumbest CCNA isn't more knowledgable in many areas, one being math, than your daughters first grade teacher? Bottom line: Remember this: As long as HR employees are hired because they are great looking babes, they will have no clue on talent. Certs give them something tangible and simple that they can understand. Degrees do the same. A couple more points: I hear people say that certifications are expensive you best study hard before paying. They are not. Take them 3 or 4 times each, pay your $300 or $400 and enjoy your huge $5000+ raise and job security. Don't postpone it. People a class in Art Appreciation at a "quality university" is going to run you $300 to $400 and is worthless by their own admission. You need the whole degree. ...and yes. CCIE's will triple. There were no books. Now there are. Books make tests easy. That is what make Juniper's test so hard now. You can't read the 12 to 15 they have listed as easily as you can one Sybex book that is designed around the exam. Finally, if you are very knowledgeable and dislike "paper certs". Please put out a book that gets paper people up to par. Something to read after the exam and before your first interview. I think it would be very helpful to many, who have a desire but lack an entire network at home. Plus, if you think people are gaining an edge on you because of certs. You'll be "Published". That puts you in the upper-diety range. You can live a lifetime on that. - Original Message - From: "Scott Baron" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX - Senior Citizen Reply Has anyone noticed that people arguing the most that certs dont matter are the ones that haven't 'bothered' to get them. I know that isn't true for everyone... so don't flame me but... see where generalities get you! How shortsited can you be to simply make a blanket statement... certs don't prove anything... geez. Scott M. Baron CCNP, CCDP, MCP, CNA
Looking for used cisco equipment
Can anyone send me some online places to buy used equipment. I am looking for higher end stuff like 3640 or 3660. I know that there is probably not much out there, but need to look anyway. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: QOS for VoIP Traffic
Try the ip rtp priority command. It lets you carve out a chunk for rtp traffic. http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios120/120newft/120 t/120t5/iprtp.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jit Cherng Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: QOS for VoIP Traffic are you using H.323 protocol?? QoS issues will be tricky... because of the way H.323 protocol it is complex, use dynamic ports, multiple UDP streams... you can use RSVP if your VoIP terminal support it.. ..or set IP precedence bits at the VoIP gateway to signal a high priorty data the easiest solution is to implement a VoIP gateway.. such as Cisco MCM.gatekeeper cheers, "Amit Gupta" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Hi All, I am using VoIP over a satellite link. I am planning to configure some queuing mechanism on the router which can provide dedicated bw to voice traffic and at the same time use the entire bw for data traffic when no traffic from higher priority flows is available( voice ) Please send me your suggestions and comments on any other feature that I can enable to improve quality. Thanks regards Amit __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
environmental device
I am looking for a device that will monitor environmental conditions in a data center or LAN closet that is SNMP pollable. Any leads would be appreciated [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
