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Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
It happened that Bill Gates didn't get the degree, but he had an excellent education, what it matters. Bill Gates himself in technet articles already commented on that, saying that yes, degrees (read education) is very important, contrary to what some might think. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 01:14:52 -0400 William Gragido wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Thats not necessarily true. Bill Gates is an excellent example of someone with limited education, who went on to be a force to be reckoned with in the business world. You have just provided a standard response - the Gates response. Several people have used that response against me. That's why I've developed a standard counterresponse. It goes something like this (I cut and pasted it from the site I posted it before: ...One of the ironies of the tech industry is that while there are indeed many tech-icons who do not hold a degree, these people themselves strongly prefer degrees out of job candidates they hire. For example, surely we're all aware of the degree-less tech superstars- Bill Gates, Larry Ellison, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell, and the list goes on. Yet interestingly enough, if you look at the top management teams and Boards of Directors of the companies they run, you will notice that almost invariably, those guys are the only people there who have no degree. Everybody else generally has at least one, if not several degrees, and usually from the most famous colleges in the world - Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT, Oxbridge, etc. You would think that if anybody would know the limitations of a college education, it would be somebody like Bill Gates. Yet Gates himself has chosen to surround himself with an extraordinarily well-educated management team, so that means that even a dropout like Gates realizes the value of the degree. If Gates thought the degree wasn't particularly useful (and who in the world could make such a claim more credibly than him?), then why didn't he just hire a bunch of dropouts to be the Microsoft management team? So clearly there must be something good (very good) about that degree. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of nrf Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] I understand. But on the other hand, if you have ambitions to be the CxO, a CCIE isn't going to cut it. Like you said, it's a case of what you want out of life. However, what I will definitely say is this. If you work for a company that is willing to finance your degree at night school, you're a fool not to take it. If you're not the one paying for it, you should get as many degrees as you can, because you never know what's going to happen in the future. Wes Stevens wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A lot of it is what you want out of life. I will be 50 in 5 years and am perfectly happy playing with cisco's. I make more money then my boss with the mba does and have more job security. What happens if you get laid off at 45 or 50 with a middle to upper management job? If you are not way up there in the corner office area you are going to have a hard time finding a job. I work for a company in the fortune top 5 that is very stable. Yet this economy is hitting us also. They are going to cut my office way back from 500 people to 200 by the end of the year. They will offer me a job in Houston as they can always find a spot for a cisco network engineer. My boss and a lot of other are really scrambling. There are no jobs in the local market and less chances of them finding a place in another part of the company as they are cutting back everywhere. Just some food for thought. From: nrf Reply-To: nrf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809] Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:37:51 -0400 Drew wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sean Knox wrote: I was actually heading towards my CCIE, but after getting my CCNP, I am content with that for now and and getting more experience (fortunately I am not some new wide-eyed kid in the field and have been doing this awhile). Congrats on your decision to pursue your MBA and I wish you luck. I made a similar decision myself within the last few weeks. I had planned on pursuing my CCIE-Security, but realize that I don't work enough with Cisco products on a daily basis, and certainly not with routing in a complex way, to feel that I would deserve the cert, even if I attained it. I'm going back to school for my MS in CS, starting classes in June. I think in the long run, an advanced degree is
RE: Microsoft 'Routers'
What do you exactly mean by 'functional' ? Have you seen it working in a live network ? Unix for example, has provided more routing resources and it doesn't seem to be a viable substitute for a router device. Would Microsoft suggest to use the server as a router only ? The cost of a PC would be much more expensive than a Cisco 25xx... Thanks, From: "William E Gragido" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Microsoft 'Routers' Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:29:03 -0500 Excuse me, but Microsoft, Novell and various Unix platforms have been allowing for the routing of RIP and OSPF for a long time now. I have used Windows 2000 and it is functional. a -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Billy Monroe Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 1:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Microsoft 'Routers' I see that Microsoft has provided resources to configure OSPF and RIP in Windows 2000 servers to provide routing capabilities. Has anybody evaluate this ? Do you think this could substitute 'real' routers ? Thanks, ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Microsoft 'Routers'
I disagree with you regarding the support issue. They could call the MCSE 2000 people :-) I just want to see where they want to go with this routing idea. John Chambers mentioned during an interview that he is aware that Microsoft might hurt Cisco routing business in the future. I know that MS Routing and Remote Access team is making huge investiments on these Routing features. From: "Chuck Larrieu" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "David" [EMAIL PROTECTED],"Billy Monroe" [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Microsoft 'Routers' Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:57:34 -0700 Assuming one wants to use MS products as routers, the same concern applies - what is the box capable of supporting? Are there cards for real WAN routing? Or is this just another cheap routers for use on LAN segments? And of course, there is always the issue of support. Who ya gonna call 3:00 a.m. Sunday when your mission critical network is down? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 11:47 AM To:Billy Monroe Cc:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft 'Routers' FYI, unix has also had routing capabilities inherent in the operating system, as well as software for BGP, OSPF, RIP and friends in free software like routed/gated since the beginning of the Internet. But, would I ever use any unix box for a router? Not unless it was five years ago, it was linux, and I was starting up an ISP with pocket change. That was the trend while companies were out there providing descent T-1/ISDN/PRI/Frame Relay cards and drivers for Linux x86 machines. The good thing about this setup, is that Linux can route a full T-1 without any trouble using aging 486 hardware (ie: very very dirt cheap router... $50?). But what's that , you want to route a DS-3? Unlikely. I don't know anyone that makes DS-3/HSSI cards for PCs. Anyone want to jump in on that? But, I've never trusted Windows NT/98 etc to do any routing, unless I wanted it to crash all the time -- and no I'm really not wanting to start a discussion about which is better or anything. I'd be interested to see how much microsoft has cleaned it up in 2000. I really have a lot of hope for this OS in terms of functions (ie: active directory) and hopefully a newfound stability. In general any PC is not built for high speed routing. There will be hardware architecture limitations to it's performance. Also, since the operating systems are so bloated (compared to something streamlined for routing like IOS), and running tons of applications at the same time -- unless you have a dedicated box -- a server will have a lot of other things to do other then route packets. If you have no needs for real performance, perhaps you could use a windows platform as a router, but considering the resource needs of Windows in terms of hardware, you'd be better off buying a real router instead. There is an interesting Linux mini-distribution out there called LRP, or The Linux Router Project. It's a linux OS that fits onto a floppy (or it did at least) and has full capabilities for routing and other things like firewalling I'd assume. I haven't looked at it for a long time. It's at http://www.linuxrouter.org although the server doesn't appear to be accepting connections right now. hmmm, I hope it's not running on a LRP distribution hahaha. David Billy Monroe wrote: I see that Microsoft has provided resources to configure OSPF and RIP in Windows 2000 servers to provide routing capabilities. Has anybody evaluate this ? Do you think this could substitute 'real' routers ? Thanks, ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
