RE: Virtual Study Groups [7:30295]
I think it's a great idea, but it would be very hard. You'd probably have to coordinate study-times for your group to meet online, or else set up a mailing list like this one. The problem with a mailing list study group would be that it will be much slower to get things done, of course. I think you'd also need someone to lead and moderate the group to its goal. gm -Original Message- From: Suranjith Ariyapperuma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Virtual Study Groups [7:30295] Dear Friends, Is forming a Virtual Study Group a practical idea ?. if yes would anyone be willing to form one?, currently I am studying for CCNP routing exam (BSCN). Suranjith Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30300&t=30295 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675]
-Original Message- From: Hartnell, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] And, speaking of our neighbors to the north... I've heard some very discouraging news from Canada about their new nuclear menace. They've had the 'eh' bomb for quite some time. Best, G. -Original Message- From: Chuck Larrieu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] as Leigh Anne pointed out indirectly, the Brits use the DDMM format. so a Brit list would come up with different results than would a Yank list. Hey, Leigh Anne, up in Canada you folks are half Frenchie. How do the Frogs do it? Chuck Larrieu ancestors left France a very long time ago -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Neiberger Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] Yes, a palindrome is a word that is spelled the same backward and forward. In this case, the numbers are palindromic because--using the MMDD format-- 10-02-2001 is the same when read either direction. Using MM-D-YY, today is 10-2-01, which is also palindromic. There is no importance whatsoever, it's just a numeric oddity depending on which date format you use. A coworker mentioned it this morning and we've just been discussing it. It's completely useless information, but interesting nonetheless. However, it's *really* off-topic so I suppose I should get back on-topic. John >>> Juan Blanco 10/2/01 9:15:13 AM >>> John, When you said It's a palindrone! are you refering at the following: A Palindrome is a word spelled the same backwards and forwards If not please can you give more details for those who do not know what are you refering toand why it is so importantand how did you find out about those date Thanks, JB -Original Message- From: John Neiberger To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/2/2001 10:03 AM Subject: Way OT: Interesting Date today [7:21675] 10-02-2001... It's a palindrome! When was the last date where this occurred? Here at work we think it was 08-31-1380. When will the next one be? :-) Sorry for the OT post, I just thought this was amusing. Back to the morning coffee John Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=22155&t=21675 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jargon Dictionary [7:21964]
I though 3 was the magic number? That's what I learned from Schoolhouse Rock. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Jargon Dictionary [7:21964] A magic number is any combination of wins by team x or losses by team y. Sorry I'm a baseball fan. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=21997&t=21964 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485]
Okay, maybe the alien thing was a little uncalled for... I wasn't trying to be a fatalist; I just think that Juniper has to do a hell of a lot more punching before they're even a contender. There is a lot of technology out there competing to be the next big thing and Juniper is just another face in the crowd when it comes to that. With every success you mentioned, I'm sure a little research will dig up a dozen or so failures that were trying to accomplish similar goals. How many times have technologies... GOOD technologies... come and gone because other factors (economic, internal, etc.) caused their downfall? It's a little like Linux trying to take over the desktop market; it doesn't matter how much I like it and hate Microsoft because it's just not likely to happen, even if it is a better product and free to boot. In the current economic climate, people are becoming more conservative, and so need proof that new equipment will add value to their company. Cisco has diversified so much and proven themselves so consistently that I can't honestly see Juniper as having anything more than a niche in the market. Others can rush out to get their Juniper cert, but it sounds to me like a waste of time and money. Getting your Cisco certs doesn't automatically mean you'll make a lot of money either, but I've been pretty successful with Cisco certs and products; from a conservative standpoint, I'm going with what I know and what has worked for me. I concede that Juniper could, possibly (if improbably) pull ahead of Cisco as the premier networking hardware company in the world, but it's not worth jumping on the bandwagon for just yet. -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 9:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] Hey, by that same token, nobody should ever take a chance at anything new, and should always stick to their old skills. Nobody should ever take a shot on something new. For example, I remember back when Microsoft launched the first Windows NT, I suppose you would argue that you shouldn't learn NT, but should stick with Netware. Or when Cisco was still in a grudge match with Wellfleet, 3com, or Cabletron, then you would advocate not studying Cisco until it was clear that there were going to win. Or when UNIX started to challenge the mainframe paradigm, then anybody who decided to learn UNIX must be dumb. But we've all seen the history. The first few hundred MCSE's enjoyed a disproportionate amount of rewards from the program. The people who learned Cisco back in the late 80's/early 90's (before everybody else did) have benefitted greatly. The first people to pick up UNIX enjoyed outsize benefits. Somebody on this board said that, when it comes to the marketplace, certs and skills are basically a pyramid scheme, where the first people to get in on it tend to reap most of the benefits, and those who come in too late get the shaft. Now by this I am not saying that Juniper will win. Like I said, I don't know what will happen in the future. They might win, they might lose, who knows? If you feel that spending time to pick up Juniper skills is too risky for you, then fine, don't do it. But you must agree that if Juniper really does win, then those who got in early will benefit. And why is it so inconceivable that they won't win? They have better technology and good management, kind of like Cisco in its youth. Now that doesn't guarantee anything, but it definitely does not make the possibility of them winning ridiculous. You analogy of aliens was uncalled for. Using your logic, I could argue that nobody should ever bother to learn anything (Cisco,Juniper, Microsoft, etc.), because tomorrow there might be a nuclear war. ""Mossburg, Geoff (CEI-Atlanta)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > And the alien ships could possibly land tomorrow, but I'm not mowing > "LAND HERE!" in my lawn in anticipation of it happening. I not going to > go out and buy Juniper's stock just on the off-chance that they MIGHT be > able to consistently build a better product, or they MIGHT eventually be > able to run Cisco out of town on a rail, or that they MIGHT be able to > overcome the worst economy in decades. It would be just SWELL if life > worked that way, but I'm not placing any bets just yet. > > -Original Message- > From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:44 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] > > > About Juniper losing market share. Well, the same could be said for > Microsoft or Cisco or anybody else. Sure Juniper might disappear. On > the > other hand, Juniper might
RE: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485]
And the alien ships could possibly land tomorrow, but I'm not mowing "LAND HERE!" in my lawn in anticipation of it happening. I not going to go out and buy Juniper's stock just on the off-chance that they MIGHT be able to consistently build a better product, or they MIGHT eventually be able to run Cisco out of town on a rail, or that they MIGHT be able to overcome the worst economy in decades. It would be just SWELL if life worked that way, but I'm not placing any bets just yet. -Original Message- From: nrf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] About Juniper losing market share. Well, the same could be said for Microsoft or Cisco or anybody else. Sure Juniper might disappear. On the other hand, Juniper might take over the core routing world, and become dominant in edge routing. Why not? Cisco was able to take over the networking industry in a relatively short amount of time (they only IPO'd in 1986, they were dominant by the mid-90's), and if Juniper has the consensus best technology in the industry, then is it really impossible for Juniper to do what Cisco did? Now I am not saying that they are guaranteed to do so, I'm just saying that it's possible. If this happens, then you would agree that anybody who knows Juniper will be sitting pretty. The point is, who's to say what is going to happen in the future? All anybody really can say for sure is that Juniper has a strong position in the marketplace, and that position could get stronger or weaker in the future. Who knows? About your comments on experience. Of course it is true that experience is important. But at the same time, it is also true that, holding experience constant, some skills are quite frankly more valuable than others, and that could be due to that skill being in high demand, or in short supply, or both. For example JNCIE's tend to have many years of experience in high-end core backbone routing, whereas MCSE's tend to have experience in desktop management/LAN sys-admin, etc. I believe it is the case that years of core backbone routing are on average more valuable than an equivalent number of years of being a LAN sys-admin. Now I know that might make some of you upset, and you will point out that some MCSE sys-admins make huge amounts of money, and of course that is true. But I'm just talking about the averages here.The reason for this discrepancy is clear. It is damn hard to break into the world of core routing, whereas it is relatively easy to become a sysadmin. Therefore there is a much larger pool of sysadmins that overcomes the greater demand for sysadmins. The inexorable laws of supply and demand - a high demand can be overwhelmed by an even higher supply. I'll give you an extreme example. People with 20 years of experience in practicing medicine or practicing law are going to make more on average than somebody with 20 years of experience in manual labor. Why? It's not because there is more demand for medicine or law than there is manual labor, because that's obviously not true. There is clearly more demand for manual labor than there is demand for doctors or lawyers. So it's not the demand side of the equation that is at play here. Rather it's supply - there are so many more manual laborers than there are doctors and lawyers, and this supply 'glut' overwhelmes the greater demand for them.The point here is that even with equivalent experience, some skills are more valuable than others, and the reason for that is often due to constricted supply - a skill may be valuable not because there is a gigantic demand for it, but because quite frankly, nobody else has that skill. I know that seems harsh, but that's reality. ""Baker, Jason"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > and you forgot to add Juniper might fall over, due to economic reasons as > they > do not have a huge market share and might not be around in months/years to > come. > > and 225k for a newly certified Juniper person with little to no experience > is a bit much, so i am assuming > that the person has more skills and knowledge, so this is not really > comparable to the MCSE now is it ? AS you > are not just comparing the cert you are comparing on the person > knowledge/sill set which varies > hence why you see people with different certs paid varying levels. > > What it is really boils down to, is how much each company is willing to fork > out for employees and what > they bring to the company. > > So saying the juniper cert will get you 225k is WRONG. > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: nrf [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 7:26 am > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Is the CCIE really worth it??? [7:3485] > > > > By the same token, you could say that the Juniper JNCIE is completely > > worthless compared to the MCSE, cuz like you said ther
RE: The Key To Pass the Exam [7:21556]
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RE: TIME TO STOP RE: 'It's not the US they want to destroy. [7:19903]
C'mon, peeps; this isn't getting anywhere. Any serious political/religious/philosophical/etc discussion sure as hell shouldn't be taking place on a Cisco Study Group mailing list. Take it outside already GM Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19903&t=19903 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [7:18833]
Mike, It appears that your message got deleted, but please add me to your list as well, whenever you get this. Thanks! Geoff Mossburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [7:18833] [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] Please put my name in your list. I'm interested too. thanks sipitung - Pada Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:28:31 -0400 "Hehdili Nizar" menulis: > Hi > I m interested too > "Ali Mesdaq" a icrit dans le message : > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I don't have the parts but I would love if you kept the list up to date > and > > when I do get the parts I can follow what you guys did on the list. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Katsagianni Natasa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:46 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: =?iso-8859-7?Q?=C1=D0=3A_how_to_build_a_pix_firewall_out_of_a_? > > [7:18761] > > > > > > count me in too.. > > > > > > > ""mike johnson"" wrote in message > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > For those who are interested in learning Cisco PIX but > > > > do NOT want to spend a lot of money on buying an > > > > expensive PIX Firewall, I think I can help you. I > > > > have instructions on how to build a PIX firewall by > > > > using a PC. In case you didn't know, PIX firewall is > > > > essentially a PC with multiple interfaces. I've > > > > successfully built several PIX firewall using my old > > > > PCs (i.e. pentium 200 MHz processor). Actually, the > > > > PIX1 series (obsolete I know) is a PC with Intel > > > > EtherExpress Interface cards. However, you must have > > > > an account with CCO in order the software and download > > > > the software. The rest of the instructions on how to > > > > build a PIX firewall using PC is very simple. Anyone > > > > interested in learning it, let me know. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > > > Messenger > > > > http://im.yahoo.com http://www.eKilat.com emailnya Indonesia! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=19874&t=18833 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 2610 Router for sale [7:17984]
Sorry, Leigh Anne... I meant to send this to the group I got one that I made up, but it's one you have to say out loud for it to make sense... How much money do you have if you're running spanning-tree over fiber distributed data interface? Tree FDDI. :) -Original Message- From: Leigh Anne Chisholm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: 2610 Router for sale [7:17984] Hey... if a router has a "D-MZ" image on it, does that mean it's got the firewall feature set? R-R-R! Oh I'm just such a commedienne today! (-: > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Terence > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:42 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: 2610 Router for sale [7:17984] > > > Hey Guys/Girls, > I have 3 2610 Cisco routers for sale. They are in great condition. Was > used at a client site that were replaced with 3600 series routers. Here is > the spec's: > > Cisco Internetwork Operating System Software > IOS (tm) C2600 Software (C2600-D-M), Version 12.0(5)T1, RELEASE SOFTWARE > (fc1) > Copyright (c) 1986-1999 by cisco Systems, Inc. > Compiled Tue 17-Aug-99 13:11 by cmong > Image text-base: 0x80008088, data-base: 0x80859E60 > > ROM: System Bootstrap, Version 11.3(2)XA4, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) > > Router uptime is 0 minutes > System returned to ROM by power-on > System image file is "flash:c2600-d-mz.120-5.T1.bin" > > cisco 2610 (MPC860) processor (revision 0x202) with 26624K/6144K bytes of > memory > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=18139&t=17984 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
