Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread The Long and Winding Road
""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in message
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> DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
> >
> > I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
> > relay connection
> > goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
> > does the
> > destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
> > frame relay?
> > Could they perhaps run ATM?
> >
> > My CPE CODest. CPE
> >   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
> > 
>
> Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
> It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
> interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while


very common. particularly in hub and spoke situations, where the host site
needs to aggregate a lot of bandwidth from a lot of remotes.

way cool also is that if your telco supports it, you can do DSL to ATM also,
giving quite a bit of flexibility.

I have customers who are doing FRATM ( frame relay in the remote sites, and
ATM at the host ) and RLAN ( DSL at the remote sites and ATM at the host
site )

I don't have any customers shooting the works myself, but a couple of my
co-workers have done some pretty exciting designs mixing ATM, frame, and DSL
at remote sites and high cap ATM at the host. neet!


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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Karen E Young
They could. In fact, its quite likely.

The link from your CPE goes into a port on one of their WAN switches. from
there it goes over a trunk utilizing either Fast Packet (FP) or ATM to
another WAN switch. There may be a number of WAN switches between your CPE
and the destination CPE. You can get more detail from the documentation on
Cisco's WAN switches.

Hope this helps,
Karen

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On 3/10/2003 at 5:23 PM DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:

>I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay
>connection
>goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
>destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame
>relay?
>Could they perhaps run ATM?
>
>My CPE CODest. CPE
>  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
>




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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread MADMAN
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote:
> DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
> 
>>I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
>>relay connection
>>goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
>>does the
>>destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
>>frame relay?
>>Could they perhaps run ATM?
>>
>>My CPE CODest. CPE
>>  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
>>
> 
> 
> Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
> It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
> interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while
>
> ___
> 
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> www.troubleshootingnetworks.com
> www.priscilla.com

  Yes it is fairly common.  The magic is in the middle.  The configs of 
the frame CPE and the ATM CPE wuld be the same as if you had frame/ATM 
respectively on the other side.  The only caveat is you will most likely 
need to use IETF encapsulation on the frame since you will most likely 
not be terminating on a Cisco for the internetworking component.

   Dave
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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
indeed, much like what happens with frame relay into x25, which gets
encapsulated directely but in the case of FR and ATM there is some
mapping to be done, like the DE field mapped to the CLP, and translation
etc...;

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> Frame Relay connections CAN be fed into an ATM circuit at your provider's
> end. The translation is done via the telco.




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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread John Hutchison
Frame Relay connections CAN be fed into an ATM circuit at your provider's
end. The translation is done via the telco.




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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
the standards official names are actually FRF8 and FRF5.

""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  a icrit dans le message de
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> DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
> >
> > I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
> > relay connection
> > goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
> > does the
> > destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
> > frame relay?
> > Could they perhaps run ATM?
> >
> > My CPE CODest. CPE
> >   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
> > 
>
> Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
> It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
> interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a
while
>
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>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer
> www.troubleshootingnetworks.com
> www.priscilla.com




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RE: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
> 
> I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame
> relay connection
> goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is,
> does the
> destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run
> frame relay?
> Could they perhaps run ATM?
> 
> My CPE CODest. CPE
>   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
> 

Good question. Yes, the Frame Relay Forum defines a method for doing this.
It's called Frame Relay ATM Interworking. (Yes, the word is really
interworking.) I think it's somewhat common. It's been around for a while

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Re: Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread Amar KHELIFI
yes there is an FRF8 and FRF5 standards that define that, as so:

frf8
   fr-CO-atm

frf5
fr---ATM cloud--fr



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> I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay
connection
> goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
> destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame
relay?
> Could they perhaps run ATM?
>
> My CPE CODest. CPE
>   |  Frame Relay|ATM  |
> 




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Basic Frame Relay question [7:64923]

2003-03-10 Thread DeVoe, Charles (PKI)
I am looking at frame relay.  As I understand it, the frame relay connection
goes from the CPE to the service provider CO.  My question is, does the
destination device on the other side of the CO also need to run frame relay?
Could they perhaps run ATM?

My CPE CODest. CPE
  |  Frame Relay|ATM  |





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