Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Please don't leave out the people who think they are technical, think they already know what the problem is, feed you interpretations instead of facts and then want you to take steps to fix the problem that wouldn't work even if their diagnosis WAS correct. - Original Message - From: MADMAN To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Yes or when there is a problem and you ask, did you change ANYTHING you get the answer, no. a long time later after you finally isloate the problem the customer says, oh I didn't THINK that would have any effect on... You want to say I didn't ask what changes you thought would cause the problem... Dave Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44190t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Please don't leave out the people who think they are technical, think they already know what the problem is, feed you interpretations instead of facts and then want you to take steps to fix the problem that wouldn't work even if their diagnosis WAS correct. - Original Message - From: MADMAN To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Yes or when there is a problem and you ask, did you change ANYTHING you get the answer, no. a long time later after you finally isloate the problem the customer says, oh I didn't THINK that would have any effect on... You want to say I didn't ask what changes you thought would cause the problem... Dave Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44143t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
OK..lets get it all OUT come on ...deep breath`s... check this... not only are they cranky ...but some stupid old manager had decieded to give various groups our passwords and have locked out there own switch es ...wont tell us the passwords...which are located in secure rooms for which we CANT GET ACCESS !! BREATH.In.OUT. (by the way i AM JOKING and mean no offence ) CU steve - Original Message - From: Chuck To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:28 AM Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44205t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Here my favorite. About 10 years ago at a customer site a user was had a non-IBM token ring card, the manufacturer of the NIC wanted to prove that it could make a faster T/R card than IBM so they set the bridge priority bit on every packet. Then to top it off the user had installed a screen saver for their workstation and had the files installed to their home directory on the server. It was an early version of After Dark that constantly access the hard drive. Whenever the screen saver kicked in it brought the network to it's knees. - Original Message - From: Chuck To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:28 PM Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44218t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How about this one: We used to provide troubleshooting support for a forces network which included some large sites and a few very minor (one or two user) sites. There had been problems with one of these small sites intermittently for a few weeks, but things got worse until it was dropping three or 4 times per day. The router seemed to be rebooting every time there was a problem. We found no relevant bugs, and though the site wasn't on UPS, site services didn't believe there was any problem with power and assured us that the power to the cabinet was an unswitched fused spur. We initially upgraded the image and then swapped the router out, leaving the old router in the cabinet powered up as well, but not connected. The new router rebooted as well, and when we went back to site with the intention of putting a small UPS in the cabinet, the old router had rebooted at exactly the same time, which seemed to support our idea. The previous 2 times on site I had just carried out the work and left. This time I accepted the offer of a coffee while I fitted the UPS in. All of a sudden the power went off to the whole cabinet. What a relief. What a laugh. Next to the kettle in the room next door was a double socket, one of them labelled Do not unplug, the other connected to a radio. The cable ran through trunking, and through the wall, then trunking all the way around the room to the comms cabinet. Experience had taught the caretaker that nothing seemed to go wrong when the plug was taken out, but he always plugged it back in just in case. It was either that or his radio. Doh! Gaz While Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44270t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hahahahahaha you know, in many places, the janitorial staff will refuse to even open the door to a comms room, knowing they get blamed for anything bad that happens. I've always kept a broom handy for those little chores Gaz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How about this one: We used to provide troubleshooting support for a forces network which included some large sites and a few very minor (one or two user) sites. There had been problems with one of these small sites intermittently for a few weeks, but things got worse until it was dropping three or 4 times per day. The router seemed to be rebooting every time there was a problem. We found no relevant bugs, and though the site wasn't on UPS, site services didn't believe there was any problem with power and assured us that the power to the cabinet was an unswitched fused spur. We initially upgraded the image and then swapped the router out, leaving the old router in the cabinet powered up as well, but not connected. The new router rebooted as well, and when we went back to site with the intention of putting a small UPS in the cabinet, the old router had rebooted at exactly the same time, which seemed to support our idea. The previous 2 times on site I had just carried out the work and left. This time I accepted the offer of a coffee while I fitted the UPS in. All of a sudden the power went off to the whole cabinet. What a relief. What a laugh. Next to the kettle in the room next door was a double socket, one of them labelled Do not unplug, the other connected to a radio. The cable ran through trunking, and through the wall, then trunking all the way around the room to the comms cabinet. Experience had taught the caretaker that nothing seemed to go wrong when the plug was taken out, but he always plugged it back in just in case. It was either that or his radio. Doh! Gaz While Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44277t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
And I've worked in many places where the janitorial staff isn't allowed access to the datacenter / comm closets. It was strictly up to the IT staff to keep the place clean. Having a low tolerance for unpleasant looking curly hairballs on the floor, I was generally the one using the broom even though I was, in most every case, a project consultant. :-) Craig At 04:49 PM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: hahahahahaha you know, in many places, the janitorial staff will refuse to even open the door to a comms room, knowing they get blamed for anything bad that happens. I've always kept a broom handy for those little chores Gaz wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How about this one: We used to provide troubleshooting support for a forces network which included some large sites and a few very minor (one or two user) sites. There had been problems with one of these small sites intermittently for a few weeks, but things got worse until it was dropping three or 4 times per day. The router seemed to be rebooting every time there was a problem. We found no relevant bugs, and though the site wasn't on UPS, site services didn't believe there was any problem with power and assured us that the power to the cabinet was an unswitched fused spur. We initially upgraded the image and then swapped the router out, leaving the old router in the cabinet powered up as well, but not connected. The new router rebooted as well, and when we went back to site with the intention of putting a small UPS in the cabinet, the old router had rebooted at exactly the same time, which seemed to support our idea. The previous 2 times on site I had just carried out the work and left. This time I accepted the offer of a coffee while I fitted the UPS in. All of a sudden the power went off to the whole cabinet. What a relief. What a laugh. Next to the kettle in the room next door was a double socket, one of them labelled Do not unplug, the other connected to a radio. The cable ran through trunking, and through the wall, then trunking all the way around the room to the comms cabinet. Experience had taught the caretaker that nothing seemed to go wrong when the plug was taken out, but he always plugged it back in just in case. It was either that or his radio. Doh! Gaz While Chuck wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44285t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44066t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Yes or when there is a problem and you ask, did you change ANYTHING you get the answer, no. a long time later after you finally isloate the problem the customer says, oh I didn't THINK that would have any effect on... You want to say I didn't ask what changes you thought would cause the problem... Dave Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44082t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
:) Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of MADMAN Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 11:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Yes or when there is a problem and you ask, did you change ANYTHING you get the answer, no. a long time later after you finally isloate the problem the customer says, oh I didn't THINK that would have any effect on... You want to say I didn't ask what changes you thought would cause the problem... Dave Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44088t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Doh ;-) Rah -Original Message- From: MADMAN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 May 2002 19:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Yes or when there is a problem and you ask, did you change ANYTHING you get the answer, no. a long time later after you finally isloate the problem the customer says, oh I didn't THINK that would have any effect on... You want to say I didn't ask what changes you thought would cause the problem... Dave Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com -- David Madland Sr. Network Engineer CCIE# 2016 Qwest Communications Int. Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 612-664-3367 Emotion should reflect reason not guide it Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44095t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
my favorite story was the company whose network went down every morning for a few minutes just about the time the work force was sitting down, turning on their PC's, and getting ready for the day. Now the obvious conclusion is it's just busy that time of day Except that it didn't necessarily happen every day. To make a long story short, a couple of power users had decided they needed more data jacks in their area, had purchased some switch or other at one of the chain stores, and dual homed it into the LAN infrastructure. Being conservation conscious folks, they powered down all their equipment when they went home for the day, and turned it on every morning when they came in. the result was a campus wide spanning tree recalculation every time they brought their switch on line. I forget how the customer told me this was discovered. Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... And add to that cranky users who are entirely dependent on the network but won't tell you the whole story when reporting problems. ;-) Priscilla At 09:52 PM 5/12/02, Michael L. Williams wrote: Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Priscilla Oppenheimer http://www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=44127t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Hello, I feel like writing tonight, so this text you see#8230; My name is Karl, and I took the CCIE written beta exam a week or so ago and would like to comment on it, and my career goals, in general. This information may be beneficial to some and may be useless to others. Comments and criticisms are welcome. I took the beta appox. 3 days before the beta period ended. I was kicking off my study for the written exam with the first of about 20 books I wanted to read before attempting to take the 300 dollar written, when I discovered to my jubilation that there was a 50 dollar beta to be had. I decided to take the beta for a cheap peek at what I was in for. I fully expected to be annihilated by the questions; consumed and spitten back into my seat - devastated by the complexity and depth of the subject matter for which I was expected to be expertly versed in. BUT, I found, instead of being submersed in dismay, that I was actually treading water. Hope breeds desire. No, I didn#8217;t pass the exam, but that was not my intention. I merely wanted to have a look-see. I wanted to, and did, compose a more personalized blueprint of the exam than what was offered to me on Cisco#8217;s website. (Actually, the blueprint on the website is a pretty good representation of what I was subjected to during the beta (for those looking for exam info.)) Like a few others have said here, I#8217;m no longer intimidated by the exam. So, by now you may be wondering about my experience, and if I#8217;m a bookworm, or if I'm a lab rat... Yes, I have experience. Yes, I#8217;m a bookworm. And, yes, you guessed it; I#8217;m a lab rat. I work in the USPSNOC at WorldCom. My group manages a network of over 36,000 routers (think about it, how many post offices are there?). We provide physical layer up to network, and in some instances, higher level services. So I troubleshoot ds0 up to optical carrier levels, data link, and obviously network. I#8217;m a first level engineer but I think if the times were better I#8217;d be higher up the food chain. Face it. No one is moving. If you are comfortable, you aren#8217;t going to take the risk with another job right now (inside or outside). That#8217;s my problem. No one is moving. I'm stuck. But I#8217;ll be damned if I#8217;m letting this time go by without busting my ass to position myself to move on up. I#8217;ll be ready for better times. Granted, being a 1st level engineer with a CCIE cert is a little scary but I think for those of us who have the gumption to go on, get it on, and grab it, we should. Even though I think with abreviated study concentrating on my weaknesses I could pass the written more quickly, I#8217;m taking the full year to cover everything I originally intended to cover. Why? Because as a CCIE, I#8217;ll need it. I#8217;m not a paper bitch. And I will prove it in about a 1.5 years. Lucky for me, I have a well-designed network to analyze and troubleshoot, and I have a 40 router lab to build whatever I want to, to my heart#8217;s content. Although it may sound like I#8217;m bragging or being cocky, I#8217;m only boasting to all that soon, I#8217;ll be prepared to reap the benefits of a more #8220;network engineer friendly#8221; market. I don#8217;t f*ck around#8230;. Karl Thrasher Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43969t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Please don't discount the value of analyzing troubleshooting poorly-designed networks. The learning opportunities are almost unimaginably vast. OTH, it probably takes sustained exposure to both for an adequate understanding of how all this stuff is supposed to function/interact. Lucky for me, I have a well-designed network to analyze and troubleshoot, and I have a 40 router lab to build whatever I want to, to my heart#8217;s content. Karl Thrasher Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43983t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Very good point. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43989t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
If the network is well designed and implemented, you should not have to be analyzing and troubleshooting very much. In Fact you should have 99.90 uptime if its as well done as implied below As Kevin says, the real experience comes from finding and repairing networks that are less than desirable, and making them better. A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kevin Cullimore Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 3:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Please don't discount the value of analyzing troubleshooting poorly-designed networks. The learning opportunities are almost unimaginably vast. OTH, it probably takes sustained exposure to both for an adequate understanding of how all this stuff is supposed to function/interact. Lucky for me, I have a well-designed network to analyze and troubleshoot, and I have a 40 router lab to build whatever I want to, to my heart#8217;s content. Karl Thrasher Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43990t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43991t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969]
exactly, what Michael says.. Like this mornings database issue with oracle not being accessible in two of 36 buildings...the users and the server admin swore it was a network issue...turns out the oracle processes caused a server utilization of 100%. Most labs wont teach that issue..Just as Michael says.. Larry Letterman Cisco Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael L. Williams Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2002 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE- I WILL BE [7:43969] Larry Letterman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A 40 router lab is nice, but its not the same as troubleshooting a production network with 20,000 + users at multiple sites. Here here and to add to that. ... a production network with 20,000+ users at multiple sites... running a variety of multiprotocol, quirky, sometimes custom-written (read: homemade) applications that are trying to do whatever on the network coupled with devices from whatever manufacturers that don't play nice (oh, you need this device in it's own VLAN because broadcast traffic makes it crash), etc, etc Mike W. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43993t=43969 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
