RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-08-01 Thread Joel Satterley
ALL lab books will help - I've been working in Networking for nearly ten
years, with Cisco products for 6-7 years - mainly in the field.  I only
attempted the lab to get extra time to do it  used 1 LAB Study Guide
(Hutnik/Satterlee)  some old sample labs.

They ask you to do so much with a small lab (6 or 7 devices) it's difficult
to comprehend before you see it.

Just practice getting all your L2 stuff done quickly, get IP working with no
fuss, your IGP's done with no reference manuals - this will leave you with
enough time to ponder over which way to do all the tricky bits.  There's
always 3 ways to skin the Cisco cat  they want you to know the reasons why
you should use all of them.

I will be going for it again soon - when I have time  I intend to pass.

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Hi Joel,

After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped
you? (and which one does not even get closed?)

Thanks
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Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread MADMAN
Reimer, Fred wrote:
 As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is only one day.
 And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  You just have
 to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.  You could
 pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special
 ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real
 router.
 
 Fred Reimer - CCNA

   Yes I would think you'd have to have a very special ability to be 
able to pass the lab by reading only books, no hands on experience!!!

   Dave

 
 
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 From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
 Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
 carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam,
 but
 what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
 the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP
by
 only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
 Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
 experince?
 
 Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
 Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 Alex
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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Creighton, Bill, NSPM
Alex,
Congratulations on passing your NP exam(s). The lab exam is no longer the 2
day format. Details can be found at the following URL:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/le3/le11/learning_ccie_lab_exam.html

You must have more than just knowledge, but also speed - the ability to type
very fast is even beneficial due to the length and quantity of
configurations you will need to create and manipulate. There are several
companies that offer lab simulations and remote access to their racks - this
might be helpful since you say you've already got the understanding - just
need the practical...

Bill Creighton CCNP
Network Design Engineer, eVPN
NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery



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 From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 9:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
 Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find 
 job. I wish to
 carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing 
 writing CCIE exam, but
 what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found 
 some programs on
 the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have 
 passed my CCNP by
 only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
 Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without 
 real hand on
 experince?
 
 Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
 Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 Alex




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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Creighton, Bill, NSPM
The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no
practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my
Cisco certs.

Bill Creighton CCNP
Network Design Engineer, eVPN
NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery


 -Original Message-
 From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is 
 only one day.
 And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  
 You just have
 to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. 
  You could
 pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a 
 pretty special
 ability to understand things without actually configuring 
 them on a real
 router.
 
 Fred Reimer - CCNA
 
 
 Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
 Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050
 
 
 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary 
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 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
 Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find 
 job. I wish to
 carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing 
 writing CCIE exam,
 but
 what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found 
 some programs on
 the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have 
 passed my CCNP by
 only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
 Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without 
 real hand on
 experince?
 
 Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
 Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 Alex




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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Joel Satterley
I took the lab recently (before my time ran out)  there is a full day of
config to do.  Lots of everything  some nice little surprises.

A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording  the
way the questions were structured.  You have to be able to understand it
fully before you start working.

Otherwise, it's back to the start  you've wasted an hour.

-Original Message-
From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is only one day.
And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  You just have
to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.  You could
pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special
ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real
router.

Fred Reimer - CCNA


Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050


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From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

Hi there,

I have finished my CCNP exam.

Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam,
but
what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by
only reading books and downloading simulation programs.

Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
experince?

Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?

Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?


Thanks in advance


Alex
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Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Raj
hehehe ye.
I'll do the same

Creighton, Bill, NSPM  wrote in message
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 The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no
 practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my
 Cisco certs.

 Bill Creighton CCNP
 Network Design Engineer, eVPN
 NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery


  -Original Message-
  From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
  As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is
  only one day.
  And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.
  You just have
  to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.
   You could
  pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a
  pretty special
  ability to understand things without actually configuring
  them on a real
  router.
 
  Fred Reimer - CCNA
 
 
  Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
  Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050
 
 
  NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary
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  may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named
  recipient(s).
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  notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not
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  -Original Message-
  From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
  Hi there,
 
  I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
  Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find
  job. I wish to
  carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing
  writing CCIE exam,
  but
  what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found
  some programs on
  the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have
  passed my CCNP by
  only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
  Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without
  real hand on
  experince?
 
  Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
  Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
  Thanks in advance
 
 
  Alex




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Re: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread
Creighton, Bill, NSPM  wrote in message
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 The day I meet ANYONE who can pass the CCIE lab by reading alone and no
 practical experience on a router or switch is the day I stop pursuing my
 Cisco certs.

I don't know. Superman became a skilled surgeon just by readng the medical
library at a major university.

( I guess I'm dating myself here. That particular comic book episode has to
have happened several decades ago ;-  )



 Bill Creighton CCNP
 Network Design Engineer, eVPN
 NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery


  -Original Message-
  From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:04 AM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
  As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is
  only one day.
  And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.
  You just have
  to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.
   You could
  pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a
  pretty special
  ability to understand things without actually configuring
  them on a real
  router.
 
  Fred Reimer - CCNA
 
 
  Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
  Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050
 
 
  NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary
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  may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named
  recipient(s).
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  notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not
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  your computer.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
  Hi there,
 
  I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
  Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find
  job. I wish to
  carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing
  writing CCIE exam,
  but
  what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found
  some programs on
  the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have
  passed my CCNP by
  only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
  Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without
  real hand on
  experince?
 
  Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
  Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
  Thanks in advance
 
 
  Alex




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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread alaerte Vidali
Hi Joel,

After doing the lab could you tell us if there was Labs books that helped
you? (and which one does not even get closed?)

Thanks


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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Juan Blanco
Team,
Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a
point where
you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take
the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written
qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]...
Thanks,

Juan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Joel Satterley
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]


I took the lab recently (before my time ran out)  there is a full day of
config to do.  Lots of everything  some nice little surprises.

A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording  the
way the questions were structured.  You have to be able to understand it
fully before you start working.

Otherwise, it's back to the start  you've wasted an hour.

-Original Message-
From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is only one day.
And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  You just have
to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.  You could
pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special
ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real
router.

Fred Reimer - CCNA


Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050


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From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

Hi there,

I have finished my CCNP exam.

Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam,
but
what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by
only reading books and downloading simulation programs.

Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
experince?

Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?

Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?


Thanks in advance


Alex
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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Kaminski, Shawn G
I just can't see it happening (pass the CCIE lab with only reading books).
I'm a CCNP/CCDP with a good, solid three years of hands-on Cisco experience
under my belt and can't believe what I've learned by being able to actually
configure and troubleshoot the equipment. There's no way that I could get
that from just reading books. And I still don't feel prepared to tackle the
CCIE lab yet! 

If you can't afford your own equipment, see if you can find a study group in
your area. Most times, many members of the group already have all the
equipment and you can work on scenarios together.

Or, you can actually rent rack time very cheaply now if you want some
hands-on practice.

HTH,
Shawn K.

-Original Message-
From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

Hi there,

I have finished my CCNP exam.

Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam,
but
what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by
only reading books and downloading simulation programs.

Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
experince?

Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?

Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?


Thanks in advance


Alex




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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Creighton, Bill, NSPM
Depends on confidence, preparation, and budget - if I were not confident in
my ability to pass, and I couldn't afford to blow $2K, I'd likely get a
fresh 18 months and re-do the written. If, on the other hand, I could afford
it, I'd get that initial attempt out of the way, since first-time passers
are so rare, and then concentrate on the weak points.

Bill Creighton CCNP
Network Design Engineer, eVPN
NSPM ATT Business Service Delivery
231 Martingale Rd. Suite 800
Schaumburg, IL 60173-2008
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 -Original Message-
 From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 Team,
 Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question 
 if you are at a
 point where
 you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more 
 efficient, take
 the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written
 qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]...
 Thanks,
 
 Juan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
 Joel Satterley
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 I took the lab recently (before my time ran out)  there is a 
 full day of
 config to do.  Lots of everything  some nice little surprises.
 
 A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the 
 wording  the
 way the questions were structured.  You have to be able to 
 understand it
 fully before you start working.
 
 Otherwise, it's back to the start  you've wasted an hour.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is 
 only one day.
 And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  
 You just have
 to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. 
  You could
 pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a 
 pretty special
 ability to understand things without actually configuring 
 them on a real
 router.
 
 Fred Reimer - CCNA
 
 
 Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA 30338
 Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050
 
 
 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary 
 information which
 may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named 
 recipient(s).
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 email, please
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 the named
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 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
 Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find 
 job. I wish to
 carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing 
 writing CCIE exam,
 but
 what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found 
 some programs on
 the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have 
 passed my CCNP by
 only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
 Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without 
 real hand on
 experince?
 
 Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
 Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 Alex
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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Joel Satterley
I'd take the lab the experience will help you a lot - less pressure for
the next 'real' attempt.  But then, I wasn't paying.

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From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Team,
Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if you are at a
point where
you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more efficient, take
the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written
qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]...
Thanks,

Juan

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I took the lab recently (before my time ran out)  there is a full day of
config to do.  Lots of everything  some nice little surprises.

A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the wording  the
way the questions were structured.  You have to be able to understand it
fully before you start working.

Otherwise, it's back to the start  you've wasted an hour.

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As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is only one day.
And they don't break things and have you find and fix them.  You just have
to configure the network correctly and answer some questions.  You could
pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a pretty special
ability to understand things without actually configuring them on a real
router.

Fred Reimer - CCNA


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From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

Hi there,

I have finished my CCNP exam.

Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam,
but
what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by
only reading books and downloading simulation programs.

Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
experince?

Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?

Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?


Thanks in advance


Alex
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Running out of Time - WAS - RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Cotts
With the assumption this will be your first attempt, let me counter with
another question. How much is the experience worth to you of sitting a lab
to experience the situation and see the difficulty of the questions? It will
demonstrate the topics that need improvement. Would the same money be better
spent attending some training or purchasing some equipment? Further
assumption is that you can afford either.
Good luck in whatever you decide. 

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 From: Juan Blanco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:35 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 Team,
 Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question 
 if you are at a
 point where
 you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more 
 efficient, take
 the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your written
 qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]...
 Thanks,
 
 Juan




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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Salvatore De Luca
Juan Blanco wrote:
 
 Team,
 Your opinion is always accepted as a good advice...Question if
 you are at a
 point where
 you are running out of time for the lab, what will be more
 efficient, take
 the lab (spend $2000[traveling and the lab fees]) or let your
 written
 qualifications expired and take it again[spend $300]...



Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at resumes, and I
see someone has actually put CCIE written on it. I cant help but chukkle..
If you start something.. might as well finish what you started I say. I dont
see the value in someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed..






 Thanks,
 
 Juan
 
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Behalf Of
 Joel Satterley
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 12:12 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 
 I took the lab recently (before my time ran out)  there is a
 full day of
 config to do.  Lots of everything  some nice little surprises.
 
 A couple of the guys on the same day were caught out by the
 wording  the
 way the questions were structured.  You have to be able to
 understand it
 fully before you start working.
 
 Otherwise, it's back to the start  you've wasted an hour.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 31 July 2003 14:04
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 As far as I understand, the lab is not 2 days anymore.  It is
 only one day.
 And they don't break things and have you find and fix them. 
 You just have
 to configure the network correctly and answer some questions. 
 You could
 pass the lab by just reading books, but you'd have to have a
 pretty special
 ability to understand things without actually configuring them
 on a real
 router.
 
 Fred Reimer - CCNA
 
 
 Eclipsys Corporation, 200 Ashford Center North, Atlanta, GA
 30338
 Phone: 404-847-5177  Cell: 770-490-3071  Pager: 888-260-2050
 
 
 NOTICE; This email contains confidential or proprietary
 information which
 may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the named
 recipient(s).
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 email, please
 notify the author by replying to this message. If you are not
 the named
 recipient, you are not authorized to use, disclose, distribute,
 copy, print
 or rely on this email, and should immediately delete it from
 your computer.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Cosic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:52 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have finished my CCNP exam.
 
 Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find
 job. I wish to
 carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing
 CCIE exam,
 but
 what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some
 programs on
 the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have
 passed my CCNP by
 only reading books and downloading simulation programs.
 
 Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without
 real hand on
 experince?
 
 Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?
 
 Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?
 
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 
 Alex
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RE: CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-31 Thread Zsombor Papp
Salvatore De Luca wrote:
 Well.. I dont know about the rest of you, but when I look at
 resumes, and I see someone has actually put CCIE written on
 it. I cant help but chukkle.. If you start something.. might as
 well finish what you started I say. I dont see the value in
 someone who is satisfied in achieving something half-assed..

Well, I guess it's not like they also add and I don't even want to try the
lab, is it?

Once I saw a resume though that said something like Passed CCIE written
test, which is half way of achieving CCIE certification. The passage half
way made me chuckle, too.

Thanks,

Zsombor


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CCIE Lab experience! [7:73263]

2003-07-30 Thread Alex Cosic
Hi there,

I have finished my CCNP exam.

Well, I live in Sydney, Australia and I still could not find job. I wish to
carry on with CCIE. I do not have problem with passing writing CCIE exam, but
what about practical exam of 2 days duration. I have found some programs on
the net. But is it enough to pass without practice. I have passed my CCNP by
only reading books and downloading simulation programs.

Can somebody give me advice whether I could carry on without real hand on
experince?

Is there some way to volonteer to work for free?

Is there some way to get free CCIE Lab experience?


Thanks in advance


Alex




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