Re: CCNP Recertification Exam Review [7:66644]
I discovered one thing that you can't do that you might think you could do. After I recertified as a CCDP, I wanted to just take Support to recert as CCNP. After all, theoretically I had recertified for everything else just by taking CCDP. Alas, they wouldn't let me do that. I had to do the gruelling CCNP recert test. It was quite a bit harder than the CCDP test mainly because the routing questions are based on BSCI. CCDP recert was still using the Routing questions. Priscilla Scott Roberts wrote: > > thanks for the advice. seems like very good and concise info! > > I have to laugh though, I started my ccnp over two years ago, > passing three > of the four tests and then got caught up in work related > projects (damn > work!) and put my certificatiosn on the back burner. the funny > thing is, my > ccna was about to expire in less than a month, so I took my > final ccnp test > (CIT) and renewed my ccna at the same time. it almost seems > like you can > find a way to work the system; I was kinda even hoping that > ccie would renew > my ccnp/ccna and then I could wait the three years complete > that and then > forget about the renewal issue altogether. > > scott > > ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in > message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The CCNP Recertification Exam was gruelling, and that's no > April Fool's > > joke. But I survived it! ;-) > > > > Exam number: 640-851 (the current one) > > Number of questions: 112 > > Time: 2 hours > > Passing Score 732 > > My score: 834 > > > > Is anyone else taking it soon? Here's some advice: > > > > Do study. > > Take each question one at a time. > > There's plenty of time. > > Despite some of the gruelling questions, there are some > give-aways too. > > Read carefully. > > Don't guess unless you absolutely have to. > > BREATHE! ;-) > > > > There's a variety of question types, including one right > answer, multiple > > right answers (they tell you how many), drag-and-drop, type > in the > command, > > select a command from a list, and that new simulator thingie > that Cisco > uses. > > > > One reason the test is so hard is that it covers so many > topics, in quite > a > > lot of depth. After a while, your brain gets fried and you > forget, is it > > OSPF that considers a high priority a good thing (for DR > election) or it > STP > > that considers a high priority a good thing (for root bridge > election?) > > (It's OSPF). And with OSPF, does a 0 in a mask mean "must > match" like in > > access lists or does it mean "don't care" like in static > routes (and OSPF > > range commands?!) (0 means must match in OSPF network > statements.) > > > > Those things may seem obvious, but by about question 72, you > start to get > > confused, if you're like me. You just have to relax and > realize that you > DO > > know this stuff. Don't let your brain get into a Mobius strip > like mine > > almost did. > > > > The good news is that the questions from the different > qualifying tests > are > > not merged. It's very clear when you move between the > following tests: > > > > Routing: > > It's based on BSCI actually, not Routing, and is quite hard. > Know your > BGP, > > OSPF, and IS-IS. I used Doyle and papers at > CertificationZone. You won't > be > > able to just use books that you read when you passed 3 years > ago. > > > > Support: > > This didn't seem to have changed. So you could use the Cisco > Press CIT > book, > > but there is a new resource available too. (Troubleshooting > Campus > Networks. > > :-) > > > > Remote Access: > > This didn't seem to have changed. The Cisco Press book edited > by Catherine > > Pacquet is still an excellent resource. Yes, you may > encounter BCRAN > > questions from last millennium's technologies and products. > > > > Switching: > > This had changed. So know the topics listed for the latest > version. I'm > not > > sure what you should study. I guess the official BCMSN book? > I studied > with > > Cisco LAN Switching, by Clark and Hamilton, which is > excellent, but I > still > > couldn't answer a lot of the questions. I suspect you need a > lesser book > so > > you know all Cisco's latest misconceptions about LAN > technologies. ;-) > > > > For the switching exam, know your stuff because some of the > questions are > > unanswerable by anyone with a logical brain. You'll get > things like: Which > 3 > > statements are true? > > > > IEEE 802.3 > > FDDI > > SONET > > Gigabit Ethernet > > > > Notice, the answers aren't statements! ARGH. > > > > Finally a word about CertificationZone. I have written > troubleshooting > > guides for them but am no longer compensated by them, so I > hope you won't > > think this is biased. Their papers were extremely helpful. > Also they have > > practice exams for BSCI, Support, BCRAN, and Switching. The > practice exams > > are very helpful, with one exception: SWITCHING! (The bane of > my > existence.) > > Their switching exam covers too many topics that aren't on > the current > exam. > > > > Well, that's a
Re: CCNP Recertification Exam Review [7:66644]
thanks for the advice. seems like very good and concise info! I have to laugh though, I started my ccnp over two years ago, passing three of the four tests and then got caught up in work related projects (damn work!) and put my certificatiosn on the back burner. the funny thing is, my ccna was about to expire in less than a month, so I took my final ccnp test (CIT) and renewed my ccna at the same time. it almost seems like you can find a way to work the system; I was kinda even hoping that ccie would renew my ccnp/ccna and then I could wait the three years complete that and then forget about the renewal issue altogether. scott ""Priscilla Oppenheimer"" wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The CCNP Recertification Exam was gruelling, and that's no April Fool's > joke. But I survived it! ;-) > > Exam number: 640-851 (the current one) > Number of questions: 112 > Time: 2 hours > Passing Score 732 > My score: 834 > > Is anyone else taking it soon? Here's some advice: > > Do study. > Take each question one at a time. > There's plenty of time. > Despite some of the gruelling questions, there are some give-aways too. > Read carefully. > Don't guess unless you absolutely have to. > BREATHE! ;-) > > There's a variety of question types, including one right answer, multiple > right answers (they tell you how many), drag-and-drop, type in the command, > select a command from a list, and that new simulator thingie that Cisco uses. > > One reason the test is so hard is that it covers so many topics, in quite a > lot of depth. After a while, your brain gets fried and you forget, is it > OSPF that considers a high priority a good thing (for DR election) or it STP > that considers a high priority a good thing (for root bridge election?) > (It's OSPF). And with OSPF, does a 0 in a mask mean "must match" like in > access lists or does it mean "don't care" like in static routes (and OSPF > range commands?!) (0 means must match in OSPF network statements.) > > Those things may seem obvious, but by about question 72, you start to get > confused, if you're like me. You just have to relax and realize that you DO > know this stuff. Don't let your brain get into a Mobius strip like mine > almost did. > > The good news is that the questions from the different qualifying tests are > not merged. It's very clear when you move between the following tests: > > Routing: > It's based on BSCI actually, not Routing, and is quite hard. Know your BGP, > OSPF, and IS-IS. I used Doyle and papers at CertificationZone. You won't be > able to just use books that you read when you passed 3 years ago. > > Support: > This didn't seem to have changed. So you could use the Cisco Press CIT book, > but there is a new resource available too. (Troubleshooting Campus Networks. > :-) > > Remote Access: > This didn't seem to have changed. The Cisco Press book edited by Catherine > Pacquet is still an excellent resource. Yes, you may encounter BCRAN > questions from last millennium's technologies and products. > > Switching: > This had changed. So know the topics listed for the latest version. I'm not > sure what you should study. I guess the official BCMSN book? I studied with > Cisco LAN Switching, by Clark and Hamilton, which is excellent, but I still > couldn't answer a lot of the questions. I suspect you need a lesser book so > you know all Cisco's latest misconceptions about LAN technologies. ;-) > > For the switching exam, know your stuff because some of the questions are > unanswerable by anyone with a logical brain. You'll get things like: Which 3 > statements are true? > > IEEE 802.3 > FDDI > SONET > Gigabit Ethernet > > Notice, the answers aren't statements! ARGH. > > Finally a word about CertificationZone. I have written troubleshooting > guides for them but am no longer compensated by them, so I hope you won't > think this is biased. Their papers were extremely helpful. Also they have > practice exams for BSCI, Support, BCRAN, and Switching. The practice exams > are very helpful, with one exception: SWITCHING! (The bane of my existence.) > Their switching exam covers too many topics that aren't on the current exam. > > Well, that's all for now. I'm just happy to be certifiable for another 3 > years. > > ___ > > Priscilla Oppenheimer > www.troubleshootingnetworks.com > www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66781&t=66644 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP Recertification Exam Review [7:66644]
Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: > The CCNP Recertification Exam was gruelling, and that's no April Fool's > joke. But I survived it! ;-) > > Exam number: 640-851 (the current one) > Number of questions: 112 > Time: 2 hours > Passing Score 732 > My score: 834 > > Is anyone else taking it soon? Here's some advice: Another piece of advice: make sure you take the exam BEFORE your certification expires or you will be wasting your money. Early in 2002 I foolishly sat for and passed both the CCNPR and the CCDPR *after* mine had expired. I waited and waited for the confirmation of recertification. I finally emailed Cisco who wrote back with the bad news: the exams didn't count because my certifications had already expired when I sat for them. I ended up paying again for all the exams and sitting them over again, so to speak. I did take the FRS exam and saved a few dollars. BTW, the FRS exam was considerably more difficult than either recertification exam, IMHO. The CCIE qualification exam was much easier by comparison (at least in April 2002 it was). -Jonathan Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66768&t=66644 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CCNP Recertification Exam Review [7:66644]
The CCNP Recertification Exam was gruelling, and that's no April Fool's joke. But I survived it! ;-) Exam number: 640-851 (the current one) Number of questions: 112 Time: 2 hours Passing Score 732 My score: 834 Is anyone else taking it soon? Here's some advice: Do study. Take each question one at a time. There's plenty of time. Despite some of the gruelling questions, there are some give-aways too. Read carefully. Don't guess unless you absolutely have to. BREATHE! ;-) There's a variety of question types, including one right answer, multiple right answers (they tell you how many), drag-and-drop, type in the command, select a command from a list, and that new simulator thingie that Cisco uses. One reason the test is so hard is that it covers so many topics, in quite a lot of depth. After a while, your brain gets fried and you forget, is it OSPF that considers a high priority a good thing (for DR election) or it STP that considers a high priority a good thing (for root bridge election?) (It's OSPF). And with OSPF, does a 0 in a mask mean "must match" like in access lists or does it mean "don't care" like in static routes (and OSPF range commands?!) (0 means must match in OSPF network statements.) Those things may seem obvious, but by about question 72, you start to get confused, if you're like me. You just have to relax and realize that you DO know this stuff. Don't let your brain get into a Mobius strip like mine almost did. The good news is that the questions from the different qualifying tests are not merged. It's very clear when you move between the following tests: Routing: It's based on BSCI actually, not Routing, and is quite hard. Know your BGP, OSPF, and IS-IS. I used Doyle and papers at CertificationZone. You won't be able to just use books that you read when you passed 3 years ago. Support: This didn't seem to have changed. So you could use the Cisco Press CIT book, but there is a new resource available too. (Troubleshooting Campus Networks. :-) Remote Access: This didn't seem to have changed. The Cisco Press book edited by Catherine Pacquet is still an excellent resource. Yes, you may encounter BCRAN questions from last millennium's technologies and products. Switching: This had changed. So know the topics listed for the latest version. I'm not sure what you should study. I guess the official BCMSN book? I studied with Cisco LAN Switching, by Clark and Hamilton, which is excellent, but I still couldn't answer a lot of the questions. I suspect you need a lesser book so you know all Cisco's latest misconceptions about LAN technologies. ;-) For the switching exam, know your stuff because some of the questions are unanswerable by anyone with a logical brain. You'll get things like: Which 3 statements are true? IEEE 802.3 FDDI SONET Gigabit Ethernet Notice, the answers aren't statements! ARGH. Finally a word about CertificationZone. I have written troubleshooting guides for them but am no longer compensated by them, so I hope you won't think this is biased. Their papers were extremely helpful. Also they have practice exams for BSCI, Support, BCRAN, and Switching. The practice exams are very helpful, with one exception: SWITCHING! (The bane of my existence.) Their switching exam covers too many topics that aren't on the current exam. Well, that's all for now. I'm just happy to be certifiable for another 3 years. ___ Priscilla Oppenheimer www.troubleshootingnetworks.com www.priscilla.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=66644&t=66644 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
