Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
I thought Cisco is more of a software (IOS)company than a hardware company? -Bubba ""Omer Ehsan Dar"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Dear paul, > Hi, being an electrical engineer myself I have to say that I agree with > all the points you made except one. That is the one comparing SAP to > CCIE. If you look into it deeply SAP was a software Cisco is basically a > hardware company. So if some has been a CCIE for a couple of years and > had worked with the myrid of equipment available chances are that he > wont disappear so easily. he will get work maybe not for 120K to 150K > but maybe 100K he will be needed because Computer Networks are going to > stay. so even if Cisco is replaced with another company the laws of > networking are not going to change they are the same. As in Electrical > engineering Ohm's law is still the same that is for those who dont know > Voltage = Current x Reisitance (V=IR) (sic! couldnt resist it). > Another analogy is for software programmers, if you made a program in > the original Fortran or Algol you can still run it in the latest version > of C++ or Visual Basic. > That is my opinion of course. > Omer Ehsan Dar Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8950&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
Dear paul, Hi, being an electrical engineer myself I have to say that I agree with all the points you made except one. That is the one comparing SAP to CCIE. If you look into it deeply SAP was a software Cisco is basically a hardware company. So if some has been a CCIE for a couple of years and had worked with the myrid of equipment available chances are that he wont disappear so easily. he will get work maybe not for 120K to 150K but maybe 100K he will be needed because Computer Networks are going to stay. so even if Cisco is replaced with another company the laws of networking are not going to change they are the same. As in Electrical engineering Ohm's law is still the same that is for those who dont know Voltage = Current x Reisitance (V=IR) (sic! couldnt resist it). Another analogy is for software programmers, if you made a program in the original Fortran or Algol you can still run it in the latest version of C++ or Visual Basic. That is my opinion of course. Omer Ehsan Dar Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8931&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
ee theory, all the and or not logic in it, as well as the binary exposure you get is a help. Is it necessary, no but it certainly does help. Brian "Sonic" Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Omer Ehsan Dar wrote: > Hi all, > In the danger of getting flamed I will enter this message. There is a > great deal of debate here that you cannot become a a good Cisco > Certified Network Engineer without having a Electrical Engineering > Degree majoring in communications well the list has members who dont > have the degree but the requisite experience and certs. My question is > that does the engineering degree matter or not. Lets a say a person is a > CCIE and a good one does he need to be an engineer or will the CCIE cert > be enough. > Thanks > Omer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8849&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
Hi There seems to be a move a foot for companies to require a 4 year degree. But it seems to be somewhat limited to your age group. IMHO if you are under 35 you had better have/get that BS degree, but if you are over 35 then it really depends more on your experience. Many companies placing people in senior positions are much more concerned with experience than degrees. Which makes it fairly easy for someone over 35 or so to land and retain that senior job without a degree. The assumption is that someone older has had the opportunity to gain many more years of experience than someone in their twenties. Where a degree or certification for that matter, really come into play are with pay scale and if you are a contractor in getting your foot in the door. I have worked at a couple of companies that have two or three different pay scales based on rather you are degreed and/or certified or not. To address the idea that a EE is required to make a good CCIE. Well I have worked as a engineer and worked with many engineers in fields that are not engineering related. I find that engineers tend to have a different thought process than the average person doing IT work, which is a benefit to their work. Engineers tend to be much more capable of seeing both the fine details and the big picture, they tend to be very methodical in their approach to everything they do and this is a benefit IMHO. Bottom line, some of the best minds the world has ever known have not been classically educated, Einstein (you know the guy that came up with the relativity theory and was a high school drop out) comes to mind. It is not how many certs or degrees you have, it's what you can do. $0.02 -- John Hardman CCNP MCSE ""Omer Ehsan Dar"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Hi all, > In the danger of getting flamed I will enter this message. There is a > great deal of debate here that you cannot become a a good Cisco > Certified Network Engineer without having a Electrical Engineering > Degree majoring in communications well the list has members who dont > have the degree but the requisite experience and certs. My question is > that does the engineering degree matter or not. Lets a say a person is a > CCIE and a good one does he need to be an engineer or will the CCIE cert > be enough. > Thanks > Omer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8842&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
Bigtime... especially if you've an independant contractor Mike W. "marc marichal" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Do you think the certifications (like CCIE) is more important when you want > to work as a contractor ? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8839&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cisco Certs [7:8807]
Do you think the certifications (like CCIE) is more important when you want to work as a contractor ? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8818&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cisco Certs [7:8807]
Hi all, In the danger of getting flamed I will enter this message. There is a great deal of debate here that you cannot become a a good Cisco Certified Network Engineer without having a Electrical Engineering Degree majoring in communications well the list has members who dont have the degree but the requisite experience and certs. My question is that does the engineering degree matter or not. Lets a say a person is a CCIE and a good one does he need to be an engineer or will the CCIE cert be enough. Thanks Omer Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8807&t=8807 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
