Re: Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-23 Thread Edward Solomon

RE: Difference Between T1  Frame relayTo clarify, T1 (or better still, DS1)
is a Physical Layer standard which regulated line encoding and bit timing.
Frame Relay is a Data Link Layer framing convention (based on a modified
HDLC) and has nothing to do with the Physical Layer bit timing and line
encoding schemes covered by T1, E1 or the other Layer 1 standards.
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Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-22 Thread John Zaggat

Can some one clearly explain the difference between T1
and Frame relay, Does T1 run over Frame relay circuits
? Aren't they both Layer 1 in the OSI model.
I have searched the archives and found some good info
but I am still a little fuzzy about the concepts.
Thanks Guys.

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Re: Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-22 Thread J Neib

Frame Relay refers to the data network that your provider uses to get data
from one endpoint to another.   Inside their frame relay cloud, they usually
run ATM, but that's another matter entirely.

T-1 is a digital line that is used to access the frame relay network.  so,
you have this:

Router -- CSU/DSU -(T-1)-(frame cloud)...

There are other options for accessing the frame cloud, but T-1 or a
fractional T-1 are the most common.

You could also have a T-1 point-to-point circuit and choose not to use frame
relay.  In this case, you could use some other layer 2 encapsulation such as
HDLC or PPP.  Your choice all depends on your needs and your budget.

  Can some one clearly explain the difference between T1
  and Frame relay, Does T1 run over Frame relay circuits
  ? Aren't they both Layer 1 in the OSI model.
  I have searched the archives and found some good info
  but I am still a little fuzzy about the concepts.
  Thanks Guys.
  
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RE: Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-22 Thread Taylor, Don

Think of T1 as a speed designator only. In practice, it usually means a
point-to-point circuit or sometimes an ISDN PRI, but basically it just
indicates an overall speed of 1.544Mbs. Frame relay is a technology that can
be used over a T1 circuit (originally designed for a BRI, if you can believe
it...). Frame relay divides the T1 pipe into 24 channels (some or all of
which may actually be used). It's usually characterized by, among other
things, virtual circuits. This divides the bandwidth of the T1 up into
timeslices (DLCIs) which allow connections from one point to one or more
remotes over the same physical interface.

When speaking about the actual circuit (the wire), the T1 is layer 1. But in
the meaning of point-to-point (PPP protocol), it is layer two. Whenever
you're not clear what the other person means, have them spell it out for you
so you're both on the same page. Frame relay is a layer 2 protocol.

If you *really* want to delve into Frame, I *HIGHLY* recommend the following
book:


Frame Relay: Technology and Practice 
by Jeff T. Buckwalter 
List Price: $39.95
Hardcover - 368 pages 1 edition (December 7, 1999) 
Addison-Wesley Pub Co; ISBN: 0201485249

It's written in textbook format, and jumps right into the meat of Frame
Relay. When I was shopping for a book on the subject, the only other
contender I could find started me back at the OSI model and the 1970s when
everybody had IBM SNA mainframes. I much preferred Buckwalter's approach.

Hope this helps. Holler back if you need more. I looove Frame! =)

- Don 

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Subject: Difference Between T1  Frame relay


Can some one clearly explain the difference between T1
and Frame relay, Does T1 run over Frame relay circuits
? Aren't they both Layer 1 in the OSI model.
I have searched the archives and found some good info
but I am still a little fuzzy about the concepts.
Thanks Guys.

=
JZ
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RE: Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-22 Thread Prather, Aaron
Title: RE: Difference Between T1  Frame relay





T1 is a type of connection to an ISP, ex. 56k, ISDN, T1, T3


Frame-Relay is an encapsulation connected to a telco provided frame-relay cloud


frame is run over T1


T1 is a permanant connection to an ISP


frame can either be pvc (permanat virtual connection) or svc (switched virtual connection)


a T1 can be used to handle Frame, ATM, or any other encapsulation (HDLC)


the main difference is that a T1 line is a connection type
Frame-Relay is an encapsulation


hope this helps and as always, ppl please correct me if i have made any mistakes,


Aaron


-Original Message-
From: John Zaggat
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Sent: 5/22/00 11:51 AM
Subject: Difference Between T1  Frame relay


Can some one clearly explain the difference between T1
and Frame relay, Does T1 run over Frame relay circuits
? Aren't they both Layer 1 in the OSI model.
I have searched the archives and found some good info
but I am still a little fuzzy about the concepts.
Thanks Guys.


=
JZ
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Re: Difference Between T1 Frame relay

2000-05-22 Thread Joe Martin

T1 is layer 1
Frame Relay is Layer 2.  It has datalink addressing (DLCIs).

Frame relay runs over T1 (and other things like 56K DDS and DS-3).

JOE
CCNP, CCDP, and a few other things...
CCIE Lab - May 27/28


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 and Frame relay, Does T1 run over Frame relay circuits
 ? Aren't they both Layer 1 in the OSI model.
 I have searched the archives and found some good info
 but I am still a little fuzzy about the concepts.
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