Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1349t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
So play the game, list both CERTS. You might even convience them the CCNP is more valuable that than a CCIE. If they dont speak knowlegely of CCNP, sell Sure it is. To get ccna you pass one exam. To get ccie you pass two. To get ccnp you need to pass FOUR AND you have to have ccna. Sounds right? /felis Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1360t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
Phil, I was at that job fair also -- and it seemed that most were government contractors -- and EXISTING security clearances were the hot marketable item! The quality/IT knowledge of the first screen interviewers is probably minimal - but they seemed to be looking for very specific types -- and as I said -- without the EXISTING security clearance -- you would never make it past them. Oh well . . . Greg Macaulay Oldsest CCNP on earth Lifetime member of AARP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Circusnuts Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1366t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply [7:1374]
Check the Cisco website in tre training and certification section, in the page regarding how to become CCNA, it states there that the CCNA is valid for three years, then you have to recertify by taking again a valid CCNA exam or achieve CCNP status. Jose Rola "Circusnuts" 04/20/01 01:46pm Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1374t=1374 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply [7:1377]
The original poster made comment that one must have both. Case in point- I have attained the CCNP certification my CCNA is due to expire in the next year. My CCNA status did not update when I completed the CCNP, it's still the old CCNA 1.0 from 1999. When my CCNA expires, it expires... I guess we agree :o) Phil - Original Message - From: Jose A Rola To: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply Check the Cisco website in tre training and certification section, in the page regarding how to become CCNA, it states there that the CCNA is valid for three years, then you have to recertify by taking again a valid CCNA exam or achieve CCNP status. Jose Rola "Circusnuts" 04/20/01 01:46pm Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1377t=1377 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply [7:1228]
I just got my CCNP 2.0 on 04/07/2001. On the Cisco Certification site it shows my CCNA 1.0 that I got on 11/09/1999 as re-certified on 04/07/2001 and expiring on 04/07/2004. Tom ""Circusnuts"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The original poster made comment that one must have both. Case in point- I have attained the CCNP certification my CCNA is due to expire in the next year. My CCNA status did not update when I completed the CCNP, it's still the old CCNA 1.0 from 1999. When my CCNA expires, it expires... I guess we agree :o) Phil - Original Message - From: Jose A Rola To: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply Check the Cisco website in tre training and certification section, in the page regarding how to become CCNA, it states there that the CCNA is valid for three years, then you have to recertify by taking again a valid CCNA exam or achieve CCNP status. Jose Rola "Circusnuts" 04/20/01 01:46pm Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1427t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
CCNA expiration is automatically renewed when you get your CCNP or CCDP. So long as you keep your CCNP or CCDP current, you'll always be a CCNA (CCNA and CCDA for CCPD). -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Circusnuts"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1449t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply [7:1228]
I would complain to the cert tracking folks. I'm in the same boat, having done my CCNA v1 last year before the v2 came out, but yet my CCNA is not set to expire 3 years after I got it, but 3 years after I got my CCDP with my CID. One thing I am glad to see is that it now shows I have my CCDPv2 (before it said I only had CCDPv1, saying I required some CCIE tests for my CCDPv2) Here's my Galton info: Certification Agreement Feb 22 2000 P CCNA 1.0 #640-407 Feb 22 2000 P Certification Agreement Feb 26 2000 P Exam #640-503 Oct 9 2000 F (damn ACRC book I used had 2 pages on BGP) Exam #640-503 Oct 9 2000 P (I went home, read up on BGP and nail the Routing v2 that afternoon) Exam #640-504 Nov 6 2000 P Exam #640-505 Nov 21 2000 P Cisco Career Certification Agreement v7 Nov 24 2000 P Exam #640-506 Dec 7 2000 P DCN #640-441 Dec 11 2000 P Exam #640-520 Dec 15 2000 P CID 3.0 #640-025 Dec 18 2000 P MCNS #640-442 Dec 26 2000 P Cisco IP Telephony (9E0-569) Jan 30 2001 P CCNA 1.0 Certification Completed: Dec 18, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 18, 2003 Recertification Started: Feb 22, 2000 CCNA 2.0 Certification Started: Feb 22, 2000 CCNP 1.0 Certification Completed: Dec 07, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 07, 2003 Recertified: Dec 07, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 07, 2003 CCNP 2.0 Certification Completed: Dec 07, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 07, 2003 Recertification Started: Nov 24, 2000 CCDA 1.0 Certification Completed: Dec 18, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 18, 2003 Recertification Started: Nov 24, 2000 CCDP 1.0 Completed: Dec 18, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 18, 2003 Recertified: Dec 18, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 18, 2003 CCDP 2.0 Completed: Dec 18, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 18, 2003 Recertification Started: Nov 24, 2000 Career Specializations CCNP Security** Completed: Dec 26, 2000 Valid Through: Dec 26, 2002 Recertification Started: Nov 24, 2000 Should go sit for CVOICE and get the CCNP Voice Access Specialization before they expire the test? I just wonder if it's worth it (but them, my employer pays for the test, so I could care less). CCNP+Security+Voice/CCDP would look pretty cool, I guess, that is if I was a cert chaser ;-p -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Circusnuts"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The original poster made comment that one must have both. Case in point- I have attained the CCNP certification my CCNA is due to expire in the next year. My CCNA status did not update when I completed the CCNP, it's still the old CCNA 1.0 from 1999. When my CCNA expires, it expires... I guess we agree :o) Phil - Original Message - From: Jose A Rola To: ; Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] -Reply Check the Cisco website in tre training and certification section, in the page regarding how to become CCNA, it states there that the CCNA is valid for three years, then you have to recertify by taking again a valid CCNA exam or achieve CCNP status. Jose Rola "Circusnuts" 04/20/01 01:46pm Not that I'm aware of... the CCNA expires in it's normal time-frame, regardless if you are a CCNP or a CCIE. Phil - Original Message - From: Luong, David To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:00 PM Subject: RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume
Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1228t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1231t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
When you become a CCNP, you also carry the CCNA designate. 'nough said. David. -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1247t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
HR is clueless. List all certs, including pre-reqs that we all know a higher cert holds. I list CCNA and CCDA in addition to the CCNP and CCDP in my certs section (but I also break down when I obtained them by date). Also, don't just list "CCNP" but include what it stands for and order the certs with the highest listed first: a.. Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-506 Support / Internetwork Troubleshooting b.. Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-025 Internetwork Design c.. Cisco Certified Network Associate (640-407 CCNA) d.. Cisco Certified Design Associate (640-441 CCDA) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1257t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
I could not agree more HR's tend to be witless and you need to spell out to them what you have. Karl - Original Message - From: "Jason J. Roysdon" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] HR is clueless. List all certs, including pre-reqs that we all know a higher cert holds. I list CCNA and CCDA in addition to the CCNP and CCDP in my certs section (but I also break down when I obtained them by date). Also, don't just list "CCNP" but include what it stands for and order the certs with the highest listed first: a.. Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-506 Support / Internetwork Troubleshooting b.. Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-025 Internetwork Design c.. Cisco Certified Network Associate (640-407 CCNA) d.. Cisco Certified Design Associate (640-441 CCDA) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1268t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
This is why it is probably a good idea to show all certifications one has earned...whether they have been superceeded by a more advanced one or not...HR people are as a group generally clueless as to industry certifications and the heirarchy involvedif they are sent out to find a CCNA then that is what they feel they have to have and you must explain that you have already achieved this since you have a CC*P. -Original Message- From: hal9001 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I could not agree more HR's tend to be witless and you need to spell out to them what you have. Karl - Original Message - From: "Jason J. Roysdon" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] HR is clueless. List all certs, including pre-reqs that we all know a higher cert holds. I list CCNA and CCDA in addition to the CCNP and CCDP in my certs section (but I also break down when I obtained them by date). Also, don't just list "CCNP" but include what it stands for and order the certs with the highest listed first: a.. Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-506 Support / Internetwork Troubleshooting b.. Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-025 Internetwork Design c.. Cisco Certified Network Associate (640-407 CCNA) d.. Cisco Certified Design Associate (640-441 CCDA) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1276t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
good idea- I only posted the story because I thought it kinda funny, humbling. I actually have had no problems picking up good work, but I started to understand what a new person may be going through. My buddy said it felt like playing "King For A Day," as he watched me (having influenced helped his studies along) get turned down because it was appeared he was senior :o) Phil - Original Message - From: hal9001 To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I could not agree more HR's tend to be witless and you need to spell out to them what you have. Karl - Original Message - From: "Jason J. Roysdon" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] HR is clueless. List all certs, including pre-reqs that we all know a higher cert holds. I list CCNA and CCDA in addition to the CCNP and CCDP in my certs section (but I also break down when I obtained them by date). Also, don't just list "CCNP" but include what it stands for and order the certs with the highest listed first: a.. Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-506 Support / Internetwork Troubleshooting b.. Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-025 Internetwork Design c.. Cisco Certified Network Associate (640-407 CCNA) d.. Cisco Certified Design Associate (640-441 CCDA) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1277t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
If you are a CCNP , you are a CCNA. As sad as it is, the recruters/ HR people hold the cards. So play the game, list both CERTS. You might even convience them the CCNP is more valuable that than a CCIE. If they dont speak knowlegely of CCNP, sell them anything they'll buy. Don't think for a minute they would not do the same to you! "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote: Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1320t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228]
The problem is that they're usually overwhelmed, so they just scan for the right letters and aren't going to dig and research any resume that doesn't have the exact specs they're told to match. I think IT Managers could be better informed as well and let the HR folks know what all to be looking for. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""hal9001"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I could not agree more HR's tend to be witless and you need to spell out to them what you have. Karl - Original Message - From: "Jason J. Roysdon" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] HR is clueless. List all certs, including pre-reqs that we all know a higher cert holds. I list CCNA and CCDA in addition to the CCNP and CCDP in my certs section (but I also break down when I obtained them by date). Also, don't just list "CCNP" but include what it stands for and order the certs with the highest listed first: a.. Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-506 Support / Internetwork Troubleshooting b.. Cisco Certified Design Professional (CCDP) a.. 640-503 Routing b.. 640-504 Switching c.. 640-505 Remote Access d.. 640-025 Internetwork Design c.. Cisco Certified Network Associate (640-407 CCNA) d.. Cisco Certified Design Associate (640-441 CCDA) -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Interesting... I see a lot of job postings where companies are looking for CCNA's and prefer CCIE's...No mention of CCNP's. It seems (to me at least) that many in the HR world are not familiar with the CCNP. roger -Original Message- From: Circusnuts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 07:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Job Fair Cert's [7:1228] I'd had a hard time believing a friend couldn't find a job, when holding both the N+ CCNA certifications. So- I went to a local DC job fair with him yesterday. My buddies resume was 1 page (CCNA with help desk experience) mine was 3 pages (CCNP with design NOC experience). None of the exhibitors seemed to know what category the I (CCNP) belonged in of course I just said "Networking" :o) In two instances exhibitors took my buddies resume not mine, because I was not a CCNA. A third guy looked @ my resume said they didn't do A+ or MCP stuff :-o Man it's rough out there this was not an entry level fair !!! Phil PS- gotta admit, I've been working in the area for 2 years had not ever seen half of these companies before. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=1333t=1228 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
