Re: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
- Original Message - From: "Chuck Larrieu" You bring up several different issues here. 1) CCIE's put their pants on the same way you do 2) Cisco is a sales organization first and foremost. Those in the Cisco sales force have one goal and one goal only - sell you something. And unfortunately it tends to take away from studytime. 3) Oftentimes, CCIE's end up being more marketing folks than technical folks. Spend all your time reading the marketing materials and going on sales calls, chances are you will lose your technical skills, no matter what your certification. You tend to learn new things everyday, unfortunately Cisco has 25 or more distinct product areas to market. Remember the CCIE is routing and switching, this would be two of those areas. 4) There are a couple of folks on this list who are not CCIE's but who probably know more technically than most CCIE's. Everyone knows specific topics very well. Put them all in a room and each will be able to configure a specific device, and you will end up with one well oiled network. A single person can design and discuss a network, making all of the pieces work as advertised may require a couple of people to bang ideas off of each other. Being able to spot issues, is key. 80% of the time, they are issues you've seen before. The other 20% of the time requires a person whose 80% involved the 20% you've never seen before. 5) It is not unlikely that a specialist can and will know more about the specialty than a generalist. In my office we have the standard SE who is a generalist, we then have CSE's who are specialists. We have Video and Voice CSE's, as well as Security CSE's. When we are in the field faced with questions of the nature that we can't answer, we go back to our team and get the right answer. I am hit everyday with questions I can't grasp, yet I make the effort to turn the question into a learning experience. David C Prall [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dcp.dcptech.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=857t=426 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
I've an interesting, well, I don't know what to call it, so I'll just state it. I know two Cisco SE CCIE's that recently passed the lab (within the last year). Both are knowledgeable, but nowhere near what I'd expect, and very lacking in areas I know well (just stuff I deal with all the time). My boss, who I'd place as at least twice as knowledgeable, has taken the lab twice and failed both times (made it into day two the second time). I guess what I'm getting at, but not trying to start a flame-fest, is that I'm wondering if anyone else has experience with Cisco employee CCIE's? I mean, if I was Cisco, I'd almost want to set the bar higher for my employees, and not lower. Of course, if you have an inside track with other CCIE's mentoring you, that can't hurt, but still, I'd expect it to stick. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The issue number is now up to around 7200. It seems to change daily :- Some history. Neighborhood October 4, 1999 number 5177 was issued Neighborhood December 22, 1999 number 5444 was issued Neighborhood May 28, 2000 number 5917 was issued In other words, give or take a few, there are roughly 100 new CCIE's awarded each month. This appears to have been constant at least since I've been tracking. Figure that many of these are experienced people with solid backgrounds, and not just newbies taking bootcamp courses. There are a number of reasons why so many people are in the pipeline, so to speak. That's another topic altogether. It still takes on the average three attempts to pass. It still takes an experienced person two years of prep time to make the grade. A good part of the backlog is due to too many unqualified people going through the process. ( yes I recently failed. But I won't be showing my face around there again 'til December. There are others who try to get in as often as possible, ready or not. ) Does this help put things into perspective? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anna Janowska Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426] Hello Everyone Just wondering how many people are passing the lab test recently. This is current head count of CCIE's according to cisco 5595*. Does anyone in a group remembers how many were there last year. The wait for the lab extends is almost double of what it was last year which is clear indicator more people are trying. I am just curious if there is also clear indicator of candidates increase in number of CCIE's. Regards to all, Anna ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=566t=426 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
You bring up several different issues here. 1) CCIE's put their pants on the same way you do 2) Cisco is a sales organization first and foremost. Those in the Cisco sales force have one goal and one goal only - sell you something. 3) Oftentimes, CCIE's end up being more marketing folks than technical folks. Spend all your time reading the marketing materials and going on sales calls, chances are you will lose your technical skills, no matter what your certification. 4) There are a couple of folks on this list who are not CCIE's but who probably know more technically than most CCIE's. 5) It is not unlikely that a specialist can and will know more about the specialty than a generalist. Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426] I've an interesting, well, I don't know what to call it, so I'll just state it. I know two Cisco SE CCIE's that recently passed the lab (within the last year). Both are knowledgeable, but nowhere near what I'd expect, and very lacking in areas I know well (just stuff I deal with all the time). My boss, who I'd place as at least twice as knowledgeable, has taken the lab twice and failed both times (made it into day two the second time). I guess what I'm getting at, but not trying to start a flame-fest, is that I'm wondering if anyone else has experience with Cisco employee CCIE's? I mean, if I was Cisco, I'd almost want to set the bar higher for my employees, and not lower. Of course, if you have an inside track with other CCIE's mentoring you, that can't hurt, but still, I'd expect it to stick. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ ""Chuck Larrieu"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... The issue number is now up to around 7200. It seems to change daily :- Some history. Neighborhood October 4, 1999 number 5177 was issued Neighborhood December 22, 1999 number 5444 was issued Neighborhood May 28, 2000 number 5917 was issued In other words, give or take a few, there are roughly 100 new CCIE's awarded each month. This appears to have been constant at least since I've been tracking. Figure that many of these are experienced people with solid backgrounds, and not just newbies taking bootcamp courses. There are a number of reasons why so many people are in the pipeline, so to speak. That's another topic altogether. It still takes on the average three attempts to pass. It still takes an experienced person two years of prep time to make the grade. A good part of the backlog is due to too many unqualified people going through the process. ( yes I recently failed. But I won't be showing my face around there again 'til December. There are others who try to get in as often as possible, ready or not. ) Does this help put things into perspective? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anna Janowska Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426] Hello Everyone Just wondering how many people are passing the lab test recently. This is current head count of CCIE's according to cisco 5595*. Does anyone in a group remembers how many were there last year. The wait for the lab extends is almost double of what it was last year which is clear indicator more people are trying. I am just curious if there is also clear indicator of candidates increase in number of CCIE's. Regards to all, Anna ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=575t=426 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
Anna- I don't have your numbers, but if you are thinking the field is getting saturated... I can say my boss (who is the smartest Cisco guy I have ever met) took the CCIE lab three times. He was the only person to make it to the 2nd day on all three attempts of course was the only to pass that third time out. His test groups numbered as many as 8 people. Just to give you perspective on how many people Cisco's bouncing on the lab Good Luck with your Data !!! Phil - Original Message - From: Anna Janowska To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:53 PM Subject: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426] Hello Everyone Just wondering how many people are passing the lab test recently. This is current head count of CCIE's according to cisco 5595*. Does anyone in a group remembers how many were there last year. The wait for the lab extends is almost double of what it was last year which is clear indicator more people are trying. I am just curious if there is also clear indicator of candidates increase in number of CCIE's. Regards to all, Anna ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=431t=426 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426]
The issue number is now up to around 7200. It seems to change daily :- Some history. Neighborhood October 4, 1999 number 5177 was issued Neighborhood December 22, 1999 number 5444 was issued Neighborhood May 28, 2000 number 5917 was issued In other words, give or take a few, there are roughly 100 new CCIE's awarded each month. This appears to have been constant at least since I've been tracking. Figure that many of these are experienced people with solid backgrounds, and not just newbies taking bootcamp courses. There are a number of reasons why so many people are in the pipeline, so to speak. That's another topic altogether. It still takes on the average three attempts to pass. It still takes an experienced person two years of prep time to make the grade. A good part of the backlog is due to too many unqualified people going through the process. ( yes I recently failed. But I won't be showing my face around there again 'til December. There are others who try to get in as often as possible, ready or not. ) Does this help put things into perspective? Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Anna Janowska Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:CCIE Candidate versus CCIE [7:426] Hello Everyone Just wondering how many people are passing the lab test recently. This is current head count of CCIE's according to cisco 5595*. Does anyone in a group remembers how many were there last year. The wait for the lab extends is almost double of what it was last year which is clear indicator more people are trying. I am just curious if there is also clear indicator of candidates increase in number of CCIE's. Regards to all, Anna ___ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=444t=426 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
