Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
this sucks - why do we have to put up with this trash? what does this person have against Marc and Brad? Geez... happy holidays to you too, whomever you are. Bad karma can be a real bummer, too, so be carefull who and what you want to scr*w. - Original Message - From: screw bootcamp To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] How would you like a set of bootcamp labs free? Just post a message to this board stating your interest and you never know they may appear in your inbox over the next couple of weeks. Tell all your friends and work mates. Include a list of e-mail addresses in your posting to the board and they may also receive the material. Best regards the screw-bootcamp crew! Mark and Brad have a good Christmas! _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29929t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
so.. we can suspect who this came from but.. I've always been interested in how to read email headers and source - can anyone interpret the headers on this one for me?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: screw bootcamp To: Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 12:41 Subject: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] How would you like a set of bootcamp labs free? Just post a message to this board stating your interest and you never know they may appear in your inbox over the next couple of weeks. Tell all your friends and work mates. Include a list of e-mail addresses in your posting to the board and they may also receive the material. Best regards the screw-bootcamp crew! Mark and Brad have a good Christmas! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29930t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Please refrain from this illegal activity. Thanks to your actions you have now forced us to modify our distribution process which will make our update process to send out new labs for our legal customers much more expensive. This will be especially painful for our international customers, as we will no longer fax updates to any customers. Many of our international customers live in lower income areas of the world so it looks like you really gave them a nice Christmas present. International customers will now have to pay shipping, as all updates and products will soon be distributed on special paper. Wow, great job. What we used to do for free quite often via fax will the cost the average International customer $25.00 to $50.00 per update. We will soon be releasing a brand new version of our material that has been formatted for the new 1-day exam, has all the old content removed, errors removed, and has been modified to work perfectly with our standard remote rack design. Lab 21 and lab 22 will also be released soon. These will be some very tricky labs that are a must have. So guys/gals, no fax updates for customers that are international or have an exam in the very near future. You can thank the individual that posted this message for this change in policy. Marc Russell www.ccbootcamp.com screw bootcamp wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... How would you like a set of bootcamp labs free? Just post a message to this board stating your interest and you never know they may appear in your inbox over the next couple of weeks. Tell all your friends and work mates. Include a list of e-mail addresses in your posting to the board and they may also receive the material. Best regards the screw-bootcamp crew! Mark and Brad have a good Christmas! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29931t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Marc, If you are updating all your labs you won't mind your old ones being posted free for all those people in the poorer countries, as you put it. In fact why don't you post the old ones and get some good publicity for your company. You could look at it as your Christmas present to the learning community after all they have given to you. A quick calculation for people to consider. BootCamp charge $600 a pop for the labs. There are say 1000 people that have bought these legitimatly. (This is possibly conservative) The lab scenarios themselves cost only time to develop. The kit to develope them had to be purchased anyway for CCIE studies. Yes you can expand this argument into lots of different areas to suit your purpose. As for legitimate updates Mark. I am sure you can come up with a cheap but secure method for providing updates to people via the web. While you are at it why don't you create a electronic method for purchasing the products in the first place. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29932t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
This illegal activity is the exact reason we don't use electronic methods to distribute our product. If you want to use our products then buy them, if not, then please don't steal them and use other material for your preparation. If you have budget issues with your CCIE preparation then use CCO or maybe the free labs at fatkid. Any more posts like this will result in legal actions. Both civil and criminal. Marc Russell www.ccbootcamp.com screw bootcamp wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Marc, If you are updating all your labs you won't mind your old ones being posted free for all those people in the poorer countries, as you put it. In fact why don't you post the old ones and get some good publicity for your company. You could look at it as your Christmas present to the learning community after all they have given to you. A quick calculation for people to consider. BootCamp charge $600 a pop for the labs. There are say 1000 people that have bought these legitimatly. (This is possibly conservative) The lab scenarios themselves cost only time to develop. The kit to develope them had to be purchased anyway for CCIE studies. Yes you can expand this argument into lots of different areas to suit your purpose. As for legitimate updates Mark. I am sure you can come up with a cheap but secure method for providing updates to people via the web. While you are at it why don't you create a electronic method for purchasing the products in the first place. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29933t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
It was spoofed. Plug the header into Sam Spade to get a feel for how these are interpreted. It can be done several different ways, the crudest of which is to telnet to port 25 and begin an RFC 2821/2822 compliant telnet session. The SMTP logs on the Group Study list server may, however, show a bit more in regards to the connection. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] so.. we can suspect who this came from but.. I've always been interested in how to read email headers and source - can anyone interpret the headers on this one for me?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: screw bootcamp To: Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 12:41 Subject: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] How would you like a set of bootcamp labs free? Just post a message to this board stating your interest and you never know they may appear in your inbox over the next couple of weeks. Tell all your friends and work mates. Include a list of e-mail addresses in your posting to the board and they may also receive the material. Best regards the screw-bootcamp crew! Mark and Brad have a good Christmas! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29934t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Mark, Where is the illegal activity in pointing out a few facts? Talk me through your law suit... There were these e-mails that got sent round the internet from all these unrigistered e-mail accounts. I also got some IP addresses of people who posted a couple of html messages. What is the duristiction of your particular Copyright? How many cases have actually been to court over this sort of matter let alone how many have been successful? Hope you got a fat wadge of cash cos you will need it to pursue a law suit of this nature. Oh but then you have got a fat wad from all the proceeds of your labs. Seems to me that the easiest thing would certainly be to make those old out dated labs, as you tell us, free for all. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29935t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Ya know guys and gals- There is a really simple way to squash this individual and his crusade... SIMPLY STOP REPLYING AND IGNORE HIM! He's posted that he feels he can crack out some CCIE Practice LABS for the mere cost of his bandwidth and ours... just sit back, and wait patiently for him to do so. You know he'll just do the same thing the last character posting on this forum did when saying that he had the magic plans for putting a PIX CLONE together for much cheaper than actual PIX cost Not one simple thing. He won't post, he won't put his intellectual money where his mouth (err, in this case, fingers) is... he's just looking to ruffle feathers and try looking BIG while he is at it. Some how, I think someone close to him p!ssed in his oats recently, or he got a reality check with his employer about something... but what ever his deal is, he just needs to be ignored... and he'll then finally go blow his steam elsewhere... and hopefully, he'll do it in a productive, creative way too. Mister Anonymous, if you can't even use your real name in communications... then leave us alone with your cowardess, lame, and boring crusade. You'll eventually realize that your name is what carries your future matched with credibility of your actions. Mark Odette II -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] Marc, If you are updating all your labs you won't mind your old ones being posted free for all those people in the poorer countries, as you put it. In fact why don't you post the old ones and get some good publicity for your company. You could look at it as your Christmas present to the learning community after all they have given to you. A quick calculation for people to consider. BootCamp charge $600 a pop for the labs. There are say 1000 people that have bought these legitimatly. (This is possibly conservative) The lab scenarios themselves cost only time to develop. The kit to develope them had to be purchased anyway for CCIE studies. Yes you can expand this argument into lots of different areas to suit your purpose. As for legitimate updates Mark. I am sure you can come up with a cheap but secure method for providing updates to people via the web. While you are at it why don't you create a electronic method for purchasing the products in the first place. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29936t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
ok, I've never been up on the application side of things.. So, what is Sam Spade?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: John Allhiser To: Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 14:37 Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] It was spoofed. Plug the header into Sam Spade to get a feel for how these are interpreted. It can be done several different ways, the crudest of which is to telnet to port 25 and begin an RFC 2821/2822 compliant telnet session. The SMTP logs on the Group Study list server may, however, show a bit more in regards to the connection. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] so.. we can suspect who this came from but.. I've always been interested in how to read email headers and source - can anyone interpret the headers on this one for me?? Kevin Wigle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29941t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Sorry about that. It's kind of a favorite of mine--an all-in-one tool for WHOIS, Traceroute, Ping, NSLookup, SMTP relay, etc. http://www.samspade.org/is the site. You can't beat the price. One of the tools is an SMTP parser. You can paste in the header from an email and get semi-detailed results that walk you through the details. HTH, John - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: John Allhiser ; Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] ok, I've never been up on the application side of things.. So, what is Sam Spade?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: John Allhiser To: Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 14:37 Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] It was spoofed. Plug the header into Sam Spade to get a feel for how these are interpreted. It can be done several different ways, the crudest of which is to telnet to port 25 and begin an RFC 2821/2822 compliant telnet session. The SMTP logs on the Group Study list server may, however, show a bit more in regards to the connection. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] so.. we can suspect who this came from but.. I've always been interested in how to read email headers and source - can anyone interpret the headers on this one for me?? Kevin Wigle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29943t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
It was spoofed. Plug the header into Sam Spade to get a feel for how these are interpreted. It can be done several different ways, the crudest of which is to telnet to port 25 and begin an RFC 2821/2822 compliant telnet session. The SMTP logs on the Group Study list server may, however, show a bit more in regards to the connection. Actually this will not help. Remember, this list can be accessed via a Mailing List, Newsfeed or website. The offender posted via the Website. I know this because if you look at the thread on the website www.groupstudy.com it will either specify the IP address of the sender, or show (Mailing List Post) to show it did not originate from the web. Frankly this guy is making a big mistake. I was shocked at how easy it is to track a person given an IP address. Most ISP's will quickly cough-up a name after being served. I have had to do this twice in the course of running GroupStudy.com. To make a long story short, this thread will now be moderated as it is not appropriate for the list. Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29944t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Can we please all stop trying to be socialists and instead reward the efforts of those who created these. Brian Sonic Whalen Success = Preparation + Opportunity On Sat, 22 Dec 2001, screw bootcamp wrote: Marc, If you are updating all your labs you won't mind your old ones being posted free for all those people in the poorer countries, as you put it. In fact why don't you post the old ones and get some good publicity for your company. You could look at it as your Christmas present to the learning community after all they have given to you. A quick calculation for people to consider. BootCamp charge $600 a pop for the labs. There are say 1000 people that have bought these legitimatly. (This is possibly conservative) The lab scenarios themselves cost only time to develop. The kit to develope them had to be purchased anyway for CCIE studies. Yes you can expand this argument into lots of different areas to suit your purpose. As for legitimate updates Mark. I am sure you can come up with a cheap but secure method for providing updates to people via the web. While you are at it why don't you create a electronic method for purchasing the products in the first place. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29950t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
thanks - will look it up! Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: John Allhiser To: Kevin Wigle ; Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 17:34 Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] Sorry about that. It's kind of a favorite of mine--an all-in-one tool for WHOIS, Traceroute, Ping, NSLookup, SMTP relay, etc. http://www.samspade.org/is the site. You can't beat the price. One of the tools is an SMTP parser. You can paste in the header from an email and get semi-detailed results that walk you through the details. HTH, John - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: John Allhiser ; Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] ok, I've never been up on the application side of things.. So, what is Sam Spade?? Kevin Wigle - Original Message - From: John Allhiser To: Sent: Saturday, 22 December, 2001 14:37 Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] It was spoofed. Plug the header into Sam Spade to get a feel for how these are interpreted. It can be done several different ways, the crudest of which is to telnet to port 25 and begin an RFC 2821/2822 compliant telnet session. The SMTP logs on the Group Study list server may, however, show a bit more in regards to the connection. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wigle To: Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] so.. we can suspect who this came from but.. I've always been interested in how to read email headers and source - can anyone interpret the headers on this one for me?? Kevin Wigle Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29947t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Get real, Marc's (ccbootcamp's) labs took a lot of time and effort on his part. For a mere $650.00 you not only get the labs, but if you have a technical question, you can get support from them. They were a valued asset while I was in the process of studying for the lab. They were also the biggest reason I succeeded. $650.00 is half the cost of the lab, and spending that $650 can save you several lab attempts (and therefore thousands of dollars) - provided your study habits are what they should be. I think $650.00 is a bargain price for what I got out of the labs. If you don't see the value, don't buy the labs. Either way don't try to steal the value of someone else's efforts. Marc put forth the effort, created a great product and deserves every penny he gets from that effort. It's called capitalism - and it works. I took the product that Marc built and used it to further my knowledge, passed my lab and am now reaping the benefits of my efforts. I didn't spend $650.00 to benefit Marc, I spent $650.00 to benefit me - and I got my money's worth and then some. Louie A Belt CCIE #7054 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] Marc, If you are updating all your labs you won't mind your old ones being posted free for all those people in the poorer countries, as you put it. In fact why don't you post the old ones and get some good publicity for your company. You could look at it as your Christmas present to the learning community after all they have given to you. A quick calculation for people to consider. BootCamp charge $600 a pop for the labs. There are say 1000 people that have bought these legitimatly. (This is possibly conservative) The lab scenarios themselves cost only time to develop. The kit to develope them had to be purchased anyway for CCIE studies. Yes you can expand this argument into lots of different areas to suit your purpose. As for legitimate updates Mark. I am sure you can come up with a cheap but secure method for providing updates to people via the web. While you are at it why don't you create a electronic method for purchasing the products in the first place. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29949t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Dear Mr. Anonymous Spammer, Firstly, YOU ARE A COWARD, why, because you dont believe in coming out in the open and fight. We all have our disagreements (I too have with ccbootcamp over price) but this is no way to VENT YOUR VENOM. And you just sc***ed everything, because ccbootcamp labs became even pricier, for int'l buyers. Mark / Brad, There is a small lesson to be learnt here as well, cant you guys give small labettes for free,have some sections hosted on your website serving 2-3 labs for free (come on you have 20-21 labs in your whole package), anyone wanting to pursue CCIE studies or is serious enough (or can afford) is going to buy your labs anyway. Why cant you guys come out with a slightly less pricier version (with sections, say price of routing redistribution maze lab will cost 50$, price of VOICE/ATM LABs 100$, giving them a choice to upgrade the labs to the full version of all 20-21 labs) Anyone feeling week in that area will buy just that lab. Personally, I think you guys are doing a good job (albeit in a pricier way). Thanks Nick S. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29952t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926]
Surprised no one has mentioned this as yet - Cisco does not want dishonest thieving slimebuckets representing them. There is a morals clause in your certification agreement. In fact, several of them. Check sections 7.2.d, 7.2.f, and 8. Section 16.8 is worth a read, also. This outright solicitation for theft is deserving of and cause for Cisco's attention. Kiss any certification you may already have goodbye. Forget ever being a CCIE. Au revoir. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Free BOOT CAMP LABS! [7:29926] How would you like a set of bootcamp labs free? Just post a message to this board stating your interest and you never know they may appear in your inbox over the next couple of weeks. Tell all your friends and work mates. Include a list of e-mail addresses in your posting to the board and they may also receive the material. Best regards the screw-bootcamp crew! Mark and Brad have a good Christmas! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=29962t=29926 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
