Re: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
Peter van Oene wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:31 PM 3/18/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? What's the issue? Not sure I'm seeing your point. What's wrong with Cisco announcing that their product received some sort of certificaton? Exactly.. I think the poster mistook the possibly ambiguous announcement as yet another CCXX cert. Now, if you were concerned that Cisco has too many ways for people to get certified and that the situation is getting out of hand, I might agree. I really am surprised at how many folks pour their heart/money into getting one after another. I'm also amazed at how many folks will try and devote a good portion of interview time to showing me their various certificates. After the first couple I pretty much grasp that you have enough short term memory to get through a multiple choice exam and we should really get back to talking about technologies. Cisco makes big bucks on these certifications. The recert requirements create a beautiful residual revenue stream making this business unit very attractive internally to Cisco. Since they doubled the cost of the CCIE recert, purely for profit, I have decided to let my certification lapse vs give in to this obvious cash grab. Kudos to Cisco for making their VAR channels one of their more lucrative revenue sources. The cycle historically runs such that as the demand ( people seeking certification ) peaks the value of the cert has already begun its decline. Coincidentally, there is a move to a new technology that blows away the old one. Witness Novell. ( OK so there aren't a lot of examples here ) But I really do have to wonder if technology is changing such that certs of any kind are less relevant. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away, Isaac Azimov wrote a short story about a society in which everyone certified in some technology or other, and when that technology changed, people could not find work. ( IIRC there were other aspects to the story as well, but that's an aside ) So, Peter, Howard, Priscilla, Dave, and anyone else - what's sneaking down the pipe? Or are things becoming such that no human intervention is required? Priscilla Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65703t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
Peter, I have many times come to the similar conclusion in regards to Cisco's ways of screwing up the whole certification recognition. It's no more one of the ways to validate individual's knowledge of technologies and Cisco products...However, as hard as I have worked to get the # I don't think I can afford to simply not recertify. Sure, there may be no reson right now as I'm still employed, but I might need it later on. The cert is still one of the things people look at before deciding to invite you for the interview, I don't necessarily say this is good, but that's what it is and at least for that one reason it makes it worth it to recertify for me. Well, don't get too discouraged.. Peter van Oene wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:31 PM 3/18/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? What's the issue? Not sure I'm seeing your point. What's wrong with Cisco announcing that their product received some sort of certificaton? Exactly.. I think the poster mistook the possibly ambiguous announcement as yet another CCXX cert. Now, if you were concerned that Cisco has too many ways for people to get certified and that the situation is getting out of hand, I might agree. I really am surprised at how many folks pour their heart/money into getting one after another. I'm also amazed at how many folks will try and devote a good portion of interview time to showing me their various certificates. After the first couple I pretty much grasp that you have enough short term memory to get through a multiple choice exam and we should really get back to talking about technologies. Cisco makes big bucks on these certifications. The recert requirements create a beautiful residual revenue stream making this business unit very attractive internally to Cisco. Since they doubled the cost of the CCIE recert, purely for profit, I have decided to let my certification lapse vs give in to this obvious cash grab. Kudos to Cisco for making their VAR channels one of their more lucrative revenue sources. Priscilla Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65744t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? What's the issue? Not sure I'm seeing your point. What's wrong with Cisco announcing that their product received some sort of certificaton? Now, if you were concerned that Cisco has too many ways for people to get certified and that the situation is getting out of hand, I might agree. Priscilla Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65686t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
Human resource/people hiring IT folks are going to need the *CCCE soon!!! * Cisco Certified Certification Expert Dave Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me. --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65687t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
I need to read more carefully as Priscilla pointed out, this is not another Cisco cert as my response belows ASSumes :( Dave give me another green beer! MADMAN wrote: Human resource/people hiring IT folks are going to need the *CCCE soon!!! * Cisco Certified Certification Expert Dave Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- David Madland CCIE# 2016 Sr. Network Engineer Qwest Communications 612-664-3367 I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me. --- General George S. Patton Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65692t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
At 07:31 PM 3/18/2003 +, Priscilla Oppenheimer wrote: Maccubbin, Duncan wrote: How is the industry supposed to keep up with this?? What's the issue? Not sure I'm seeing your point. What's wrong with Cisco announcing that their product received some sort of certificaton? Exactly.. I think the poster mistook the possibly ambiguous announcement as yet another CCXX cert. Now, if you were concerned that Cisco has too many ways for people to get certified and that the situation is getting out of hand, I might agree. I really am surprised at how many folks pour their heart/money into getting one after another. I'm also amazed at how many folks will try and devote a good portion of interview time to showing me their various certificates. After the first couple I pretty much grasp that you have enough short term memory to get through a multiple choice exam and we should really get back to talking about technologies. Cisco makes big bucks on these certifications. The recert requirements create a beautiful residual revenue stream making this business unit very attractive internally to Cisco. Since they doubled the cost of the CCIE recert, purely for profit, I have decided to let my certification lapse vs give in to this obvious cash grab. Kudos to Cisco for making their VAR channels one of their more lucrative revenue sources. Priscilla Cisco also announced today highly prestigious certification support across the entire PIX Family of security appliances. Certifications earned include the Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (EAL4) certification, and both ICSA Labs firewall and IPSec certifications. These certifications provide customers with independent and objective validation that a company's product meets certain levels of quality and reliability, and are among the industry's most respected and stringent criteria for certification. Providing customers broad certification support across the Cisco PIX family within a common operating system increases operational efficiencies and lowers support and management costs. Duncan Maccubbin US Network Support, Cable and Wireless CCNA, CCNP, CSS1, MCSE4 Work (703)287-6975 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65689t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Getting out of hand?? [7:65676]
My reading of this announcement is that the products listed meet certain quality assurance certifications, not that there are new certifications available for these products. I know the Common Criteria certfication is a security products certification used to identify products that have been evaluated and meet a designated level of standards. The Common Criteria is used in government circles; when they want to buy equipment to meet a certain security level, they look at the Common criteria and find a product that meets that security spec. So, if a manufacturer can get his product certified and on the list, good things will come from it. If you go to this web site, it has a bit of an explanation and a list of products certified or being evaluated from Austalia's point of view: http://www.dsd.gov.au/infosec/aisep/EPL.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=65702t=65676 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
