RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread Reimer, Fred
It's very simple.  A loopback interface provides a connection point on a
router that is not tied to a physical interface.  It is very useful in many
situations, for basically the same reason.  Take OSPF for example.  Without
a loopback it will use the address of one of its physical interfaces for the
routerID (unless you force it).  If that interface was to go down, then the
OSPF process would burp, and you'd have "problems."  Using a loopback
interface will ensure the same routerID no matter what the physical
interfaces were doing.  Take management traffic for example.  Typical
management applications use SNMP to poll the router for interface
statistics, etc.  If you polled on the primary WAN interface, for example a
T1 line, and that T1 went down, then you would not be able to retrieve any
statistics at all, even if you had a backup ISDN line on the router.

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You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.  I
have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
Any takers?

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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Edmonds
So, if I understand correctly, aside from OSPF router ID's and the like,
just use a loopback interface when you want an always up/up interface.
That's pretty simple.

""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
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> Exactly right. Sometimes it's nice to have a virtual interface whose
status
> is not tied directly to a physical interface. We've mentioned several
> configurations where this is the case. From the routers perspective it may
> have a couple of special properties, since it's virtual, but it's still
just
> another interface, as Dave said.
>
> >>> MADMAN 8/5/03 1:25:25 PM >>>
> I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is
> nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical
> interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another
> interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.
>
>Dave
>
> Robert Edmonds wrote:
> > You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> > However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody
solidly
> > explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.
> I
> > have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Robert
> >
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread Dom
Thanks Dave,

I know - but if you are relying on just the address of just an interface
on a router with many WAN/LAN connections, you may have another way of
reaching it. Which was the point I was trying to make. When monitoring a
network do not assume a router is down just because a link/interface is
down.

All the best.


Dom


Dom wrote:
> OK Let me have a go at this -
> 
> A router by definition has at least two interfaces, in most cases it 
> has many more.
> 
> How do we define the ip address of the router?
> 
> Is it an Ethernet (LAN facing) interface or a (for example) Serial, 
> HSSI or other WAN facing interface?
> 
> If any of these interfaces goes down (fails) then we cannot get to the

> router.
> 
> This is why we set a loopback interface address - nothing to do with 
> routing or metrics etc, just making sure that we can reach the router

   You won't "get to" the router no matter how many loopbacks you have 
if your phyical connection/s fail!!! :)

   Dave

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dom Stocqueler
> SysDom Technologies
> Visit our website - www.sysdom.org
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of MADMAN
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]
> 
> 
> I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is
> nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical 
> interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just
another
> 
> interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.
> 
>Dave
> 
> Robert Edmonds wrote:
> 
>>You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> 
> 
>>However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody
>>solidly explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can 
>>understand.  I have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that
> 
> 
>>accomplish this. Any takers?
>>
>>Robert
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread Wilmes, Rusty
n_guide_chapter09186a0080087da4.html#3302

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You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.  I
have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
Any takers?

Robert

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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread Robert Edmonds
Rusty, was there a URL here that was truncated?  If so, I would very much
like to see it.  n_guide_chapter09186a0080087da4.html#3302

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> -Original Message-
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]
>
>
> You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
> explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.
I
> have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
> Any takers?
>
> Robert
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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread MADMAN
Dom wrote:
> OK Let me have a go at this - 
> 
> A router by definition has at least two interfaces, in most cases it has
> many more. 
> 
> How do we define the ip address of the router? 
> 
> Is it an Ethernet (LAN facing) interface or a (for example) Serial, HSSI
> or other WAN facing interface?
> 
> If any of these interfaces goes down (fails) then we cannot get to the
> router. 
> 
> This is why we set a loopback interface address - nothing to do with
> routing or metrics etc, just making sure that we can reach the router 

   You won't "get to" the router no matter how many loopbacks you have 
if your phyical connection/s fail!!! :)

   Dave

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Dom Stocqueler
> SysDom Technologies
> Visit our website - www.sysdom.org
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> MADMAN
> Sent: 05 August 2003 19:47
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]
> 
> 
> I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is 
> nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical 
> interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another
> 
> interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.
> 
>Dave
> 
> Robert Edmonds wrote:
> 
>>You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> 
> 
>>However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody 
>>solidly explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can 
>>understand.  I have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that
> 
> 
>>accomplish this. Any takers?
>>
>>Robert
>>
>>""p b""  wrote in message 
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>>
>>
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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-14 Thread John Neiberger
You've got it! They can be used for iBGP, DNS resolution, GRE tunnel
endpoints, OSPF/BGP Router IDs, route summarization...the list goes on.

>>> Robert Edmonds 8/5/03 3:26:35 PM >>>
So, if I understand correctly, aside from OSPF router ID's and the like,
just use a loopback interface when you want an always up/up interface.
That's pretty simple.

""John Neiberger""  wrote in message
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> Exactly right. Sometimes it's nice to have a virtual interface whose
status
> is not tied directly to a physical interface. We've mentioned several
> configurations where this is the case. From the routers perspective it
may
> have a couple of special properties, since it's virtual, but it's still
just
> another interface, as Dave said.
>
> >>> MADMAN 8/5/03 1:25:25 PM >>>
> I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is
> nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical
> interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another
> interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.
>
>Dave
>
> Robert Edmonds wrote:
> > You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> > However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody
solidly
> > explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can
understand.
> I
> > have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish
this.
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Robert
> >
> > ""p b""  wrote in message
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> >
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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-07 Thread John Neiberger
Exactly right. Sometimes it's nice to have a virtual interface whose status
is not tied directly to a physical interface. We've mentioned several
configurations where this is the case. From the routers perspective it may
have a couple of special properties, since it's virtual, but it's still just
another interface, as Dave said.

>>> MADMAN 8/5/03 1:25:25 PM >>>
I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is 
nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical 
interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another 
interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.

   Dave

Robert Edmonds wrote:
> You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
> explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand. 
I
> have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
> Any takers?
> 
> Robert
> 
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> 
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-06 Thread Dom
OK Let me have a go at this - 

A router by definition has at least two interfaces, in most cases it has
many more. 

How do we define the ip address of the router? 

Is it an Ethernet (LAN facing) interface or a (for example) Serial, HSSI
or other WAN facing interface?

If any of these interfaces goes down (fails) then we cannot get to the
router. 

This is why we set a loopback interface address - nothing to do with
routing or metrics etc, just making sure that we can reach the router 

Best regards,

Dom Stocqueler
SysDom Technologies
Visit our website - www.sysdom.org


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I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is 
nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical 
interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another

interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.

   Dave

Robert Edmonds wrote:
> You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.

> However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody 
> solidly explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can 
> understand.  I have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that

> accomplish this. Any takers?
> 
> Robert
> 
> ""p b""  wrote in message 
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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-05 Thread MADMAN
I think your thinking way too hard about this;)  A loobback is 
nothing more than a logical interface as opposed to a physical 
interface.  As far as the routing process is concerned it's just another 
interface.  Don't know how to articulate it any further.

   Dave

Robert Edmonds wrote:
> You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
> However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
> explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.  I
> have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
> Any takers?
> 
> Robert
> 
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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-05 Thread Robert Edmonds
You gentlemen have pointed out some good uses for loopback interfaces.
However, my dilema still remains that I have yet to have somebody solidly
explain loopback interfaces in a way that my simple mind can understand.  I
have also been unsuccessful in finding any website that accomplish this.
Any takers?

Robert

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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-08-01 Thread p b
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-07-31 Thread John Neiberger
Loopbacks are handy for use with ip unnumbered. If you have a multipoint
interface using subinterfaces you could give every subinterface the same
address and keep everything on the same subnet.

They're also handy for DNS. If your router hostname resolves to its loopback
address you'll be able to reach the router using the hostname as long as
there is at least one real interface up. If you were to resolve the name to
an actual interface address you wouldn't be able to reach the router at all
of that interface were down.

John

>>> Wilmes, Rusty 7/31/03 4:49:11 PM >>>
our remote routers are configured to do ddr through the loopback interface.

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To monitor the router, since its up/up if the router is up.



Larry Letterman
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I know the loopback interface is useful for assigning the router ID.  Is
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-07-31 Thread Wilmes, Rusty
our remote routers are configured to do ddr through the loopback interface.

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To monitor the router, since its up/up if the router is up.



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I know the loopback interface is useful for assigning the router ID.  Is
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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-07-31 Thread Daniel Cotts
1) It's an interface that never goes down.
2) It has a neat use in a situation where you have a VPN router-to-router
and are using NAT. You may have a server that uses a static NAT to allow
access from outside. To allow traffic from the server to traverse the VPN
tunnel - use a route-map to bounce the VPN traffic off an address in the
subnet of the loopback interface (which has no NAT statements).
3) In labs a small router can source many routes.

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> 
> I know the loopback interface is useful for assigning the 
> router ID.  Is
> there any other purpose?




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RE: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-07-31 Thread Larry Letterman
To monitor the router, since its up/up if the router is up.



Larry Letterman
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I know the loopback interface is useful for assigning the router ID.  Is
there any other purpose?




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Re: Loopback Interface [7:73305]

2003-07-31 Thread MADMAN
when doing unnumbered interfaces
   routing via loopbacks. Virtual templates, dialer interfaces etc...
   I use loopbacks for many testing reasons.
   load balancing and redundancy via BGP
   use as peer in DLSW for redundancy/stability
   generate routes

   Those are a couple I can think of off the top of me noodle

   Dave


DeVoe, Charles (PKI) wrote:
> I know the loopback interface is useful for assigning the router ID.  Is
> there any other purpose?
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