RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Sorry I forgot the -6 at the end of the isbn #. It is the new book BSCN book by Thomas M.Thomas II and company. So to be clear the isbn is 0-07-212477-6 I have stopped reading it at page 120 yesterday. I was a little (ok, very) frustrated about the way it is written. There are a few mistakes: wrong figures to example (Chapt 4), typos, wrong answer at end of chapter 2 and material not covered adequatly. I want to be fair to Mr. Thomas so I will continue to review the book as I go along. I would sure appreciate some feedback from anybody including Mr. Thomas. I will go to his site and comment there also at the end of my reading. I understand that there are always typos, and such in books, being an ex instructor, but there is a level of expectation and a serious amount of that I spend in technical/study material and I at least expect my $ worth. So far I am not a happy customer! After, I am done the reading we'll see. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ehab Mohamad Abdullah Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:06 PM To: 'Daniel Boutet'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hi, There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have ordered this book? is it the cisco offiicial book? Thank you Daniel. Ehab Abdllah -Original Message- From: Daniel Boutet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Hi, There is no such a book with this ISBN 0-07-212477, from where you have ordered this book? is it the cisco offiicial book? Thank you Daniel. Ehab Abdllah -Original Message- From: Daniel Boutet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 5:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Thanks for the feedback. But I was referring to the BCMSN book. I guess it was my fault, I should've been more specific. ""Daniel Boutet1"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time) > This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the > book you will find the mistakes > pretty easily. > > If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where. > > Add on to this: > > Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another figure > 4-1 on Page 100 > Usually there should only be one figure 4-1 > > Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is > welcome. > Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN? > I know it states on the cover "Book Companion" > which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you > really should have instead of this book" > > Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list.. > > Daniel > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Marco Rodrigues > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress > webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the > mistakes? > > Thanks! > > :) > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because > the > > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > > time. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN > one > > was almost a carbon copy of the > > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at > it > > in depth since I am keeping it for my > > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some > comments > > on it. > > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Daniel Boutet > > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just > "thrown" > > > with little or no explanation. > > > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > > Typo's: too many to mention > > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal > opinion) > > > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > > > Daniel > > > > > > _ > > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Just started reading the book. (100 pages read for the first time) This comment is only on a first look at the book. If you are reading the book you will find the mistakes pretty easily. If you read below I stated a few places where a few errors where. Add on to this: Chapt 4 page 96 figure 4.1 Totally irrelevant. There is also another figure 4-1 on Page 100 Usually there should only be one figure 4-1 Back to reading! Feedback from anyone who is or has read the book is welcome. Did anyone actually only read this book to pass the BSCN? I know it states on the cover "Book Companion" which probably means "buy another book instead" or "companion is what you really should have instead of this book" Just a little frustrated, sorry to the list.. Daniel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marco Rodrigues Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the mistakes? Thanks! :) ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Do you know if there an errata for that book? I looked at the ciscopress webpage didn't see one for that book. Or maybe point out some of the mistakes? Thanks! :) ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Let's hope that the book gets better as I read on. Maybe other reader will comment on it. I have other book to accompany this one but I wanted one that contains all the study material for the exam. Cisco Router Internetworking 0-07135627-4 Caslow's Bible (Bridges...for CCIE) Network Design and Case Studies (second ed.) Giles' All in one Study Guide I plan to buy Doyle's TCP/IP bible and probably Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated. But for now I will read Thomas II book Daniel ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00af01c035ed$8b8a6cc0$ec659aaa@bwilson... > Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with > mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the > publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this > time. > > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one > was almost a carbon copy of the > Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. > I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it > in depth since I am keeping it for my > last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments > on it. > Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? > > ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Daniel Boutet > > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > > with little or no explanation. > > > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > > Typo's: too many to mention > > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > > > Daniel > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
Haven't read the BSCN book, no - I read the BCMSN which was loaded with mistakes, and I had ordered the BSCN but my order was cancelled because the publication date was pushed back. I'm not sure I'll re-order it at this time. - Original Message - From: Daniel Boutet Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one was almost a carbon copy of the Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it in depth since I am keeping it for my last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments on it. Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > with little or no explanation. > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > Typo's: too many to mention > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
This is actually the third one of this series that I look at. The BCRAN one was almost a carbon copy of the Cisco Press book by Karen Webb which was very good. I also bought the CIT book of this series but I haven't really looked at it in depth since I am keeping it for my last CCNP exam. If anyone read the CIT I sure would appreciate some comments on it. Did you read the BSCN book Bradley? ""Bradley J. Wilson"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson">news:00a301c035e8$65b32d20$ec659aaa@bwilson... > This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm > curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. > > - Original Message - > From: Daniel Boutet > Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM > Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) > > > Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. > I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. > (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). > ISBN: 0-07-212477 > > So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" > with little or no explanation. > > Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors > Typo's: too many to mention > Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) > > I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. > > I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. > > Daniel > > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review)
This seems to be a common problem among that whole series of books. I'm curious as to how much production time went into them, etc. - Original Message - From: Daniel Boutet Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:59 AM Subject: Not impressed with BSCN Thomas II (book review) Hey I am only on page 65 and I am getting a little ticked off. I've been waiting for this book for a month now and I finally got it. (ordered it so I could not look at it before I paid). ISBN: 0-07-212477 So far there is a lot of assumption from the authors. All is just "thrown" with little or no explanation. Chapter 2 answer key (2.10) full of errors Typo's: too many to mention Figures on Chapter 3 (page 65) not very well presented (personal opinion) I had high expectation and was anticipating a really good book. I will follow up on this but sure would like some feedback. Daniel _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
