RE: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread Brunner Joseph

it does not.

even if you put the span port in the same bridge group as the firewall's
port, it still acts like a switch,
a seperate collision domain between each port and node. 

why not just put the fw on a hub, and the monitoring 
station on the hub. And connect the hub to the 2648G_L3 ? 




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Re: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread sam sneed

I've thought of putting it on a hub but its a production network and I don't
want to add another point of failure. If something happened to the hub it
would bring the whole network down.


Brunner Joseph  wrote in message
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 it does not.

 even if you put the span port in the same bridge group as the firewall's
 port, it still acts like a switch,
 a seperate collision domain between each port and node.

 why not just put the fw on a hub, and the monitoring
 station on the hub. And connect the hub to the 2648G_L3 ?




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Re: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread Patrick Ramsey

to be honest... this is how we operate... Hubs are much less likely to fail
that switches.  I mean...really...the only thing that could fry is the power
supply... :)

I can't believe the 2948 l3 does not support port monitoring... that's
insane...That needs to be a support call.  That is rediculous...

We have had our 100mb hub in place now for 3 yrs. so I wouldn't worry
about it failing... (I mean, it only has to be a little 4-5 port 100mb hub
to connect your internet router and your firewall to And maybe another
one for however many dmz's you have.

-Patrick

 sam sneed  05/20/02 01:51PM 
I've thought of putting it on a hub but its a production network and I don't
want to add another point of failure. If something happened to the hub it
would bring the whole network down.


Brunner Joseph  wrote in message
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 it does not.

 even if you put the span port in the same bridge group as the firewall's
 port, it still acts like a switch,
 a seperate collision domain between each port and node.

 why not just put the fw on a hub, and the monitoring
 station on the hub. And connect the hub to the 2648G_L3 ?
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Re: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer

The hub itself might not fail, but it would be one more thing that should 
be on a UPS. We had a five-hour power outage last night and learned the 
hard way about the holes in our disaster recovery plan. In our case, we 
do have our main hub on a UPS but the darn UPS failed. That hub is in a 
crucial spot in the topology. It brought everything down.

Regarding SPAN, are we saying that neither SPAN or port mirroring works on 
the 2948G-L3? That's awfully strange. Is it because it's really a router??

Priscilla

At 03:47 PM 5/20/02, Patrick Ramsey wrote:
to be honest... this is how we operate... Hubs are much less likely to fail
that switches.  I mean...really...the only thing that could fry is the power
supply... :)

I can't believe the 2948 l3 does not support port monitoring... that's
insane...That needs to be a support call.  That is rediculous...

We have had our 100mb hub in place now for 3 yrs. so I wouldn't worry
about it failing... (I mean, it only has to be a little 4-5 port 100mb hub
to connect your internet router and your firewall to And maybe another
one for however many dmz's you have.

-Patrick

  sam sneed  05/20/02 01:51PM 
I've thought of putting it on a hub but its a production network and I don't
want to add another point of failure. If something happened to the hub it
would bring the whole network down.


Brunner Joseph  wrote in message
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  it does not.
 
  even if you put the span port in the same bridge group as the
firewall's
  port, it still acts like a switch,
  a seperate collision domain between each port and node.
 
  why not just put the fw on a hub, and the monitoring
  station on the hub. And connect the hub to the 2648G_L3 ?
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Re: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread sam sneed

Its kind of a hybrid. It is a 50 port switch, but they are all routed ports
and are configured like a router. You need to make bridge-groups and place
interfaces inside the groups inorder to create VLANs. Still I really think
they should've have added this feature as it can be very helpful and their
L3 switch competitors offer this feature. (Extreme Networks Summit switches
for one).I was hoping someone may know of this feature or a workaround that
would do the trick.


Priscilla Oppenheimer  wrote in message
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 The hub itself might not fail, but it would be one more thing that should
 be on a UPS. We had a five-hour power outage last night and learned the
 hard way about the holes in our disaster recovery plan. In our case, we
 do have our main hub on a UPS but the darn UPS failed. That hub is in a
 crucial spot in the topology. It brought everything down.

 Regarding SPAN, are we saying that neither SPAN or port mirroring works on
 the 2948G-L3? That's awfully strange. Is it because it's really a router??

 Priscilla

 At 03:47 PM 5/20/02, Patrick Ramsey wrote:
 to be honest... this is how we operate... Hubs are much less likely to
fail
 that switches.  I mean...really...the only thing that could fry is the
power
 supply... :)
 
 I can't believe the 2948 l3 does not support port monitoring... that's
 insane...That needs to be a support call.  That is rediculous...
 
 We have had our 100mb hub in place now for 3 yrs. so I wouldn't worry
 about it failing... (I mean, it only has to be a little 4-5 port 100mb
hub
 to connect your internet router and your firewall to And maybe
another
 one for however many dmz's you have.
 
 -Patrick
 
   sam sneed  05/20/02 01:51PM 
 I've thought of putting it on a hub but its a production network and I
don't
 want to add another point of failure. If something happened to the hub it
 would bring the whole network down.
 
 
 Brunner Joseph  wrote in message
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   it does not.
  
   even if you put the span port in the same bridge group as the
 firewall's
   port, it still acts like a switch,
   a seperate collision domain between each port and node.
  
   why not just put the fw on a hub, and the monitoring
   station on the hub. And connect the hub to the 2648G_L3 ?
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RE: SPAN, Port mirroring on 2948G-L3 [7:44538]

2002-05-20 Thread Brunner Joseph

2948-L3-1(config-if)#rmon ?
  native   Monitor the interface in native mode
  promiscuous  Monitor the interface in promiscuous mode

Off hours, im going to do some tests for you, with the device,
these commands and traffic director, and sniffer.

I will let you know. From Cisco's site and searching for

'rmon promiscuous', this command has sparked my interest..

maybe a sort of span port, maybe, not so much sent out another port
but in the router, which can be queried on its BVI management interface.



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