Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey "Reality"

2001-03-17 Thread Circusnuts

I know the figures seemed a little lower than I expected...  but the market
had to flatten-out.  When I took my ICRC classes in late 99/ early 2000,
companies were hiring people out of the class in the 50's (just like the
early MCSE guys experienced).  It was crazy, but it happened none the less.
I think we're seeing effects of a larger # of paper certifications
(non-technical test takers) & growing #'s of certified people.  I've always
made above scale (can't always explain why :-) but I think it's more
personal now-a-days... you cannot hide behind that little Cisco card.  You
gotta have the can-do, not dress like your in gym class, & know your
business (no more of this learning @ the install site or taking too long to
configure something because you're not prepared... because you stayed up to
watch the hockey game last night ;-)

If your new & still working on your CCNA- this is the best move you could
ever make !!!  I can think of no brighter spot than in the network field.
It's just a lot of us guys who had a free ride ("me" for almost a year)
because we were first.

Enjoy the weekend everyone

I gotta go study for that last NP exam
Phil

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> The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening.  His feeling
> was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his reason
> was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience.
> However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
> little bit on the low side.
>
> Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-)  I'm too chicken to do it
> myself.
>
> John
> Highly underpaid CCNP/DP
>
> >>> "Groupstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM >>>
> What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of
> high
> school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then
> land
> themselves a job paying $73K per year.
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
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>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> >
> >
> http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
>
> >
> >
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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Gary Crouch

try this link=20
http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?

other link has old session attached


>>> "John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 03/16/01 07:47AM >>>
Hmmm...I wasn't able to get there either.  I saw it a couple of days
ago, though.  I received a 500 Internal Server error so they must be
having some problems over there.

>>> "David A. Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:36:16 AM >>>

Tried to get there but wasn't successful.  Is this an open site?

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Hi,

See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 

http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3D3DSALARY01&cid=3D3D89



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Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread EA LOUIE

...and "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" - from the
1976 movie "Network" (the irony of title of the movie doesn't escape me!)

"So Boss, go get YOUR OWN COFFEE!!!"

from:  your underpaid network engineer

;-)  TGIF... 

DISCLAIMER:  I'M not claiming to be underpaid, or that I have a dead end job,
or that I won't get your coffee anymore (just in case MY boss is lurking out
there...)  

Jim Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> and tired of this "STINKING DEAD END JOB" :->)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: EA LOUIE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: John Neiberger; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey]
> 
> 
> LOL
> 
> sure, John... just post his/her email address to the group!  We'll redefine
> the word SPAM
> 
> Now, what was it you wanted to express to your boss?  that you're
> overpaid???
> 
> ;-)
> 
> "John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening.  His feeling
> > was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his reason
> > was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience. 
> > However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
> > little bit on the low side.
> > 
> > Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-)  I'm too chicken to do it
> > myself.
> > 
> > John
> > Highly underpaid CCNP/DP
> > 
> > >>> "Groupstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM >>>
> > What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of
> > high
> > school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then
> > land
> > themselves a job paying $73K per year.
> > 
> > - Original Message -
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> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
> > Subject: TCPmag.com Salary Survey
> > 
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> > >
> > > 
> > http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
> > 
> > >
> > >
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Re: [RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey]

2001-03-16 Thread EA LOUIE

"COULOMBE, TROY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> /begin babble
> >>SNIPPED to save 2 packets @ 1500bytes each<<

My MTU is only 1470, so it would have cost me 4 packets  ;-)


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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Marshal Schoener

No it doesn't!
It says that a person with 3 - 5 years experience and their CCNP is making
on average
73k a year...  I would say that this is pretty accurate, if not a little
low!

These survey's are good to let people know if they are being taken advantage
of at their
current job!

Most people who are patient, hard working, and knowledgable will make what
they 
deserve if they push for it!

A lot depends on the type of company you work for, and how willing you are
to change 
companies or at least push your current company into giving you higher
compensation.

A lot of people get 'confortable' at a job and don't want to make the
switch...
In many cases, they are forced to live with the yearly 3% - 5% increase.
Depending on experience, and new certification, this might not be
appropriate
or acceptable.  There is a reason why the turnover rate in the IT field is
less than
a year...  It's because with each year of experience, people's worth
increases a lot 
faster than inflation! 

Company policy of small incremental increases just does not cut it in this
field...
In fact, it doesn't cut it in most fields anymore :)

So, these salary surveys are great for a person who has been working at the
same place for
4 years, who started at 35k a year and recently acquired his/her CCNA or
CCNP.
After 4 years, that person is probably making 45k a year.
If they would've switched jobs a few times in those years, they would be
making close to 75k!!!

I know plenty of people who this happened to, and promised myself that it
would never happen to me :-)
  Good luck!!! 


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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 10:22 AM
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What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of high
school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then land
themselves a job paying $73K per year.

- Original Message -
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
Subject: TCPmag.com Salary Survey


> Hi,
>
> See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
>
>  http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
>
>
> Regards / Thangavel
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Re: [Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey]

2001-03-16 Thread John Neiberger

Are you kidding?  I work for a bank.  Unless they're a VP or above, I
guarantee you no one here is overpaid!  :-)  

Besides, I may be underpaid but I would like to keep my job for a
little while longer.  

>>> "EA LOUIE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 9:31:32 AM >>>
LOL

sure, John... just post his/her email address to the group!  We'll
redefine
the word SPAM

Now, what was it you wanted to express to your boss?  that you're
overpaid???

;-)

"John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening.  His
feeling
> was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his
reason
> was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience.

> However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
> little bit on the low side.
> 
> Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-)  I'm too chicken to do
it
> myself.
> 
> John
> Highly underpaid CCNP/DP
> 
> >>> "Groupstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM >>>
> What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out
of
> high
> school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and
then
> land
> themselves a job paying $73K per year.
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
> Subject: TCPmag.com Salary Survey
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> >
> > 
>
http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
> 
> >
> >
> > Regards / Thangavel
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Re: [Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey]

2001-03-16 Thread EA LOUIE

LOL

sure, John... just post his/her email address to the group!  We'll redefine
the word SPAM

Now, what was it you wanted to express to your boss?  that you're overpaid???

;-)

"John Neiberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening.  His feeling
> was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his reason
> was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience. 
> However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
> little bit on the low side.
> 
> Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-)  I'm too chicken to do it
> myself.
> 
> John
> Highly underpaid CCNP/DP
> 
> >>> "Groupstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM >>>
> What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of
> high
> school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then
> land
> themselves a job paying $73K per year.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Thangavel .V.M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
> Subject: TCPmag.com Salary Survey
> 
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> >
> > 
> http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
> 
> >
> >
> > Regards / Thangavel
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Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Drew Simonis

Groupstudy wrote:
> 
> What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of high
> school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then land
> themselves a job paying $73K per year.
> 

Didn't the survey specify "3 to 9 years of experience"?

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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread COULOMBE, TROY

/begin babble

Quote from that page:
>>>The next highest-earning title after CCIEs were CCNPs, 
>>>who reported an average base salary of $79,500. That's 
>>>followed closely by CCDPs at $78,800. and CCDAs, who 
>>>reported earning an average of $74,400.

Yep...take that extra two tests to become a designer & badda-bing badda-boom
you drop $900 ($700 salary and $200 for the tests).  It was good for a laugh
on a Friday.  Actually thought it was fairly on the mark when talking about
the _other_ benefits and vacation & training, etc.

I was kinda supprised that GROUPSTUDY.com didn't come out on top of the
"means of preperation for cisco certification".  ;-)

>>Only 6 percent of respondents hold a management title.
Thank Budda! ;-) LOL ...

/end babble & back to reading RFC 3031

...it's all fun & games until someone drops a packet...then it's just fun.
;-)

>>SNIPPED to save 2 packets @ 1500bytes each<<

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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Jim Dixon

try the main site

the article is the first one on the page.

http://tcpmag.com


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Tried to get there but wasn't successful.  Is this an open site?

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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread David A. Lauer

Got it! thanks.

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drop everything after default.asp

( ie: ?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89 )

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> Tried to get there but wasn't successful.  Is this an open site?
> 
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> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> 
>  http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
> 
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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread John Neiberger

Hmmm...I wasn't able to get there either.  I saw it a couple of days
ago, though.  I received a 500 Internal Server error so they must be
having some problems over there.

>>> "David A. Lauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:36:16 AM >>>

Tried to get there but wasn't successful.  Is this an open site?

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Hi,

See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 

 http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89



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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Damien Kelly

drop everything after default.asp

( ie: ?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89 )

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> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
> 
>  http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
> 
> 
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Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread John Neiberger

The interview with the hiring manager is more enlightening.  His feeling
was that the survey's salary estimate for CCNAs was high and his reason
was that too often people show up with just a CCNA and no experience. 
However, he also thought that the salaries for CCNP and CCDP were a
little bit on the low side.

Hey, can someone forward this to my boss? :-)  I'm too chicken to do it
myself.

John
Highly underpaid CCNP/DP

>>> "Groupstudy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3/16/01 8:21:37 AM >>>
What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of
high
school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then
land
themselves a job paying $73K per year.

- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:42 AM
Subject: TCPmag.com Salary Survey


> Hi,
>
> See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
>
> 
http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89

>
>
> Regards / Thangavel
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RE: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread David A. Lauer


Tried to get there but wasn't successful.  Is this an open site?

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Hi,

See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 

 http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89


Regards / Thangavel

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Re: TCPmag.com Salary Survey

2001-03-16 Thread Groupstudy

What a joke.  According  to their chart an 18 year old kid right out of high
school who lives in Detriot could spend 81 hours of studying and then land
themselves a job paying $73K per year.

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> Hi,
>
> See how much CCIE, CCNP and CCNA's are paid 
>
>  http://tcpmag.com/salarysurvey/2001/default.asp?id=3DSALARY01&cid=3D89
>
>
> Regards / Thangavel
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