RE: What next? [7:45176]
Hey that sounds good. Maybe I will take tomorrow off and just go see
Mickey!
Take my wife too!
"Frank Merrill"
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What next?
How about Disney World?
Sorry, the question just reminded me of those corny events where the
winners
announce such ;-)
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RE: What next? [7:45176]
What next? How about Disney World? Sorry, the question just reminded me of those corny events where the winners announce such ;-) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45306&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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www.mplsrc.com is a good place to start At 10:21 PM 5/27/2002 -0400, Scott H. wrote: >Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: > > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating >the > > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my > > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro >seems > > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except >B.S. > > >cert bashing) welcome. > > > > > >Scott > > >CCIE #9340 > > > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to > > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly > > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key > > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45236&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 10:29 PM -0400 5/27/02, nrf wrote: >Nothing much better than the RFC's. Cisco has some textbooks, but in my >opinion they really aren't that good. The MPLS/VPN book, for example, is >OK if you really really want to do VPN's, but even then it still isn't that >informative. They also have a frustratingly Cisco-centric approach to MPLS >(yeah yeah, I know what you're going to say, what do you expect if it's from >Ciscopress, but still...). > > >From what I've seen, MPLS gets a lot clearer when you can actually see it in >action. If you guys are implementing an MPLS network somewhere (and I know >quite a few ISP's are doing just that), then that would be the best place to >learn it. Just as it takes a certain change of mindset to understand what problem BGP is solving, it takes a change of mindset to understand MPLS and the next generation, GMPLS. Many people have problems with the ideas that MPLS does not do away with the needs for routing protocols, and indeed adds new protocols. Also, there tends to be an assumption that MPLS is faster than conventional IP routing, which no longer is the case. There are real values to MPLS, which are more carrier than enterprise oriented. These include traffic engineering/QoS, and extremely flexible failure override techniques that can make link recovery times comparable to SONET. You won't find any Cisco (or other) configuration examples in my new book, but you will see an extensive discussion of functionality--why would you want to use MPLS, and how it changes design approaches (e.g., perhaps no IGP in a large network core). It's a sufficiently rapidly developing field that books will have trouble keeping up with it. The RFCs _and_ Internet-Drafts (see http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/mpls-charter.html ) are still the best references. Don't worry too much about CR-LDP, but pay attention to the traffic engineering and link restoral documents. If you like PowerPoint tutorials, browse around www.nanog.org, and you'll find several good presentations at the last few meetings. > > >""Scott H."" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? >> >> ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... >> > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: >> > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been >contemplating >> the >> > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both >> > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is >my >> > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro >> seems >> > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except >> B.S. >> > >cert bashing) welcome. >> > > >> > >Scott >> > >CCIE #9340 >> > >> > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to >> > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly >> > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key >> > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45229&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah I agree. The market for good MPLS books is wanting a bit much. I
want better but can't get it now so I just have to be with the people who
are actually doing it and learn from them.
Then write my own book :-)
Theo
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Well I should clarify that those 2 books aren't totally horrible, like
some
of the other Ciscopress books that shall remain unnamed. They're OK. But
they're not like Doyle or Halabi.
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> > > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered
both
> > > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so
> is
> > my
> > > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro
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> > > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments
> (except
> > B.S.
> > > >cert bashing) welcome.
> > > >
> > > >Scott
> > > >CCIE #9340
> > >
> > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to
> > > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will
indirectly
> > > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key
> > > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services.
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Well I should clarify that those 2 books aren't totally horrible, like some of the other Ciscopress books that shall remain unnamed. They're OK. But they're not like Doyle or Halabi. wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Well Then you could get a friend at Foundry who is implementing MPLS > network and just get trained by him. > > > > > > > > "nrf" > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 05/28/2002 12:45 PM > Please respond to "nrf" > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: What next? [7:45176] > > > wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > Cisco has 2 books on it. > > > > After that I would just go to Amazon. I really like the two Cisco books > > though. > > Really? I don't think they're very good at all. The Alwayn one in > particular is a pretty good paperweight, but that's about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Scott H." > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 05/28/2002 11:21 AM > > Please respond to "Scott H." > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > cc: > > Subject:Re: What next? [7:45176] > > > > > > Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? > > > > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: > > > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been > > contemplating > > the > > > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > > > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so > is > > my > > > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro > > seems > > > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments > (except > > B.S. > > > >cert bashing) welcome. > > > > > > > >Scott > > > >CCIE #9340 > > > > > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to > > > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly > > > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key > > > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45204&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well Then you could get a friend at Foundry who is implementing MPLS
network and just get trained by him.
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> Cisco has 2 books on it.
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> After that I would just go to Amazon. I really like the two Cisco books
> though.
Really? I don't think they're very good at all. The Alwayn one in
particular is a pretty good paperweight, but that's about it.
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> > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote:
> > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been
> contemplating
> the
> > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both
> > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so
is
> my
> > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro
> seems
> > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments
(except
> B.S.
> > >cert bashing) welcome.
> > >
> > >Scott
> > >CCIE #9340
> >
> > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to
> > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly
> > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key
> > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services.
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wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Cisco has 2 books on it. > > After that I would just go to Amazon. I really like the two Cisco books > though. Really? I don't think they're very good at all. The Alwayn one in particular is a pretty good paperweight, but that's about it. > > > > > > > "Scott H." > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 05/28/2002 11:21 AM > Please respond to "Scott H." > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cc: > Subject:Re: What next? [7:45176] > > > Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? > > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: > > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been > contemplating > the > > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is > my > > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro > seems > > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except > B.S. > > >cert bashing) welcome. > > > > > >Scott > > >CCIE #9340 > > > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to > > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly > > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key > > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45201&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cisco has 2 books on it.
After that I would just go to Amazon. I really like the two Cisco books
though.
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Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS?
""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message
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> At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote:
> >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been
contemplating
the
> >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both
> >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is
my
> >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro
seems
> >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except
B.S.
> >cert bashing) welcome.
> >
> >Scott
> >CCIE #9340
>
> I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to
> understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly
> improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key
> technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services.
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Re: What next? [7:45176]
Nothing much better than the RFC's. Cisco has some textbooks, but in my opinion they really aren't that good. The MPLS/VPN book, for example, is OK if you really really want to do VPN's, but even then it still isn't that informative. They also have a frustratingly Cisco-centric approach to MPLS (yeah yeah, I know what you're going to say, what do you expect if it's from Ciscopress, but still...). >From what I've seen, MPLS gets a lot clearer when you can actually see it in action. If you guys are implementing an MPLS network somewhere (and I know quite a few ISP's are doing just that), then that would be the best place to learn it. ""Scott H."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? > > ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: > > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating > the > > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my > > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro > seems > > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except > B.S. > > >cert bashing) welcome. > > > > > >Scott > > >CCIE #9340 > > > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to > > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly > > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key > > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45190&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Any recommendations for good sources on MPLS? ""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: > >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating the > >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my > >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro seems > >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except B.S. > >cert bashing) welcome. > > > >Scott > >CCIE #9340 > > I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to > understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly > improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key > technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45189&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At 8:58 PM -0400 5/27/02, Scott H. wrote: >I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating the >next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both >Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my >access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro seems >like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except B.S. >cert bashing) welcome. > >Scott >CCIE #9340 I'd encourage studying MPLS, if for no other reason that to understand it, you have to learn new paradigms, which will indirectly improve your knowledge of IP routing. For that matter, it's a key technology for Juniper, Nortel, and metro services. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45187&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What next? [7:45176]
I agree :-)
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My take - do what you enjoy and what your company has available. Surely
there are certain parts of networking that you like and others that you
loathe. Try to understand what opportunities your company has available
and
go for it. Barring that, and in a good economy, jump to another company
that will allow you to do what you enjoy (obviously, this may not be such
a
good idea right now).
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> I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating
the
> next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both
> Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is
my
> access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro
seems
> like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except
B.S.
> cert bashing) welcome.
>
> Scott
> CCIE #9340
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Metro is fun. I don't have the cert but I did that kind of work for about 3 months 2 years ago and it was really challenging and fun. "Scott H." Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/2002 09:58 AM Please respond to "Scott H." To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:What next? [7:45176] I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating the next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro seems like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except B.S. cert bashing) welcome. Scott CCIE #9340 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45181&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My take - do what you enjoy and what your company has available. Surely there are certain parts of networking that you like and others that you loathe. Try to understand what opportunities your company has available and go for it. Barring that, and in a good economy, jump to another company that will allow you to do what you enjoy (obviously, this may not be such a good idea right now). ""Scott H."" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I recently completed the CCIE lab exam (R&S) and have been contemplating the > next mountain. Anybody have any suggestions? I have considered both > Juniper and Nortel but my interest level in those is limited and so is my > access to equipment. Anybody gone down the road of CCIP yet? Metro seems > like a fun topic and I would love to learn MPLS. Any comments (except B.S. > cert bashing) welcome. > > Scott > CCIE #9340 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=45178&t=45176 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
