RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
Sorry to hear about the layoff. Have you had any luck recently? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Odette II Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I updated my MCSE to 2000 back in November, and it actually struck a little notice with a couple of head-hunters (within minutes of me updating my ComputerJobs.com and Monster.Com resumes if you can believe that!)... but they were looking for a position that I wasn't interested in... and the money was lower than my under-avg. salary (60K w/7.5 yrs experience) was before I was laid off Sept. 10, 2001. That aside, my main interest in updating my MCSE was for the AVVID track; though, so that I don't starve, I may be brushing up my skills on Exchange 2000, as that seems to be a surprisingly high demand skill at this time in the DFW area. ... but not before I finish the Support exam for completing my CCNP. :) Carry on Ladies and Gentlemen... It's time to rev up your engines for that New Year coming 'round the corner! -Mark Odette II CCNA, 01001011% CCNP, MCSE 2K/4.0, A+ Certified. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of adam lee Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I think the participants in the survey probably obtained a good salary while the economy was steaming along. Anyone trying to obtain these salaries now while looking for a new job will be in for a rudely awakening. Of course, there are exceptions, but in general, I believe that's true. Salaries aside, I believe the article stated that experience is more important then certifications. I believe that is true as well. Anyone update his/her MCSE NT 4.0 to Win2k yet? The Jan issue of MCP mag says that peeps can get an avg. of $4,400 more then a peeps with NT 4.0 cert. Believable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I don't think the survey's are inflated. There's one on tcp mag also that seems OK too. They seem right on topic. ""Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the > surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an > accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this > long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind > right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic > view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some > strife from some, and let them focus more on studying > > Larry Puckette > Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP > Temple Inland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 512/434-1838 > > -Original Message- > From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are > a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the > salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's > should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably > ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them > for the survey. Just my opinion. > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > > group, > > I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries > of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the > 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different > cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. > > http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ > > I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because > people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for > posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and > don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in > NYC where they pay very well. > > food for thought > > sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30424&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
I updated my MCSE to 2000 back in November, and it actually struck a little notice with a couple of head-hunters (within minutes of me updating my ComputerJobs.com and Monster.Com resumes if you can believe that!)... but they were looking for a position that I wasn't interested in... and the money was lower than my under-avg. salary (60K w/7.5 yrs experience) was before I was laid off Sept. 10, 2001. That aside, my main interest in updating my MCSE was for the AVVID track; though, so that I don't starve, I may be brushing up my skills on Exchange 2000, as that seems to be a surprisingly high demand skill at this time in the DFW area. ... but not before I finish the Support exam for completing my CCNP. :) Carry on Ladies and Gentlemen... It's time to rev up your engines for that New Year coming 'round the corner! -Mark Odette II CCNA, 01001011% CCNP, MCSE 2K/4.0, A+ Certified. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of adam lee Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I think the participants in the survey probably obtained a good salary while the economy was steaming along. Anyone trying to obtain these salaries now while looking for a new job will be in for a rudely awakening. Of course, there are exceptions, but in general, I believe that's true. Salaries aside, I believe the article stated that experience is more important then certifications. I believe that is true as well. Anyone update his/her MCSE NT 4.0 to Win2k yet? The Jan issue of MCP mag says that peeps can get an avg. of $4,400 more then a peeps with NT 4.0 cert. Believable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I don't think the survey's are inflated. There's one on tcp mag also that seems OK too. They seem right on topic. ""Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the > surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an > accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this > long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind > right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic > view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some > strife from some, and let them focus more on studying > > Larry Puckette > Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP > Temple Inland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 512/434-1838 > > -Original Message- > From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are > a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the > salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's > should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably > ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them > for the survey. Just my opinion. > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > > group, > > I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries > of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the > 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different > cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. > > http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ > > I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because > people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for > posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and > don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in > NYC where they pay very well. > > food for thought > > sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30416&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
I think the participants in the survey probably obtained a good salary while the economy was steaming along. Anyone trying to obtain these salaries now while looking for a new job will be in for a rudely awakening. Of course, there are exceptions, but in general, I believe that's true. Salaries aside, I believe the article stated that experience is more important then certifications. I believe that is true as well. Anyone update his/her MCSE NT 4.0 to Win2k yet? The Jan issue of MCP mag says that peeps can get an avg. of $4,400 more then a peeps with NT 4.0 cert. Believable? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steven A. Ridder Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 12:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] I don't think the survey's are inflated. There's one on tcp mag also that seems OK too. They seem right on topic. ""Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the > surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an > accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this > long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind > right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic > view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some > strife from some, and let them focus more on studying > > Larry Puckette > Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP > Temple Inland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 512/434-1838 > > -Original Message- > From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are > a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the > salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's > should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably > ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them > for the survey. Just my opinion. > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > > group, > > I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries > of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the > 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different > cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. > > http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ > > I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because > people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for > posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and > don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in > NYC where they pay very well. > > food for thought > > sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30395&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
I don't think the survey's are inflated. There's one on tcp mag also that seems OK too. They seem right on topic. ""Puckette, Larry (TIFPC)"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the > surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an > accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this > long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind > right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic > view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some > strife from some, and let them focus more on studying > > Larry Puckette > Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP > Temple Inland > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 512/434-1838 > > -Original Message- > From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are > a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the > salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's > should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably > ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them > for the survey. Just my opinion. > > Shawn > > -Original Message- > From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] > > > group, > > I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries > of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the > 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different > cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. > > http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ > > I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because > people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for > posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and > don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in > NYC where they pay very well. > > food for thought > > sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30374&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
I have to say I think this is a grand idea, if people will give an accurate account of their salary and their certifications. Lets have a survey without the vendor or recruiting firm bias. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Puckette, Larry (TIFPC) Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237] A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some strife from some, and let them focus more on studying Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP Temple Inland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/434-1838 -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them for the survey. Just my opinion. Shawn -Original Message- From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30368&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: certification salary posting-a new direction [7:30237]
A new direction for the topic It seems that the consensus is that the surveys are inflated. I cannot think of a better forum that would give an accurate result than this one. And with the topic having strung on this long, I must not be the only one on the list that has this on their mind right now. Has the list ever did it's own survey to get a more realistic view? Knowing that they aren't underpaid or as underpaid may remove some strife from some, and let them focus more on studying Larry Puckette Network Analyst CCNA,MCP,LANCP Temple Inland [EMAIL PROTECTED] 512/434-1838 -Original Message- From: Kaminski, Shawn G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:RE: certification salary posting [7:30237] I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel that these salary surveys are a load of crap. As Sam mentioned, he doesn't support the claims of the salary survey and I agree with him. I think the name of these survey's should be changed to "Salary's that we wish we made". People are probably ashamed of the salary's they actually make and inflate the crap out of them for the survey. Just my opinion. Shawn -Original Message- From: sam sneed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: certification salary posting [7:30237] group, I found this link on a microsoft site. It mainly analyzes the the salaries of people holding Microsoft certifications. The applicable part is on the 3rd page of the report which lists the estimated salaries of all different cert's including CCNA,CCNP, CCIE. http://mcpmag.com/salarysurveys/ I'm not supporting the claims on this site. I'm posting it here because people always ask the list for this info so i hope noone comes after me for posting this. I currently hold MCSE and CCNA with 2.5 years experience and don't make what the list says my average would be, and this is working in NYC where they pay very well. food for thought sam sneed Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=30320&t=30237 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
