RE: clock rate [7:38908]

2002-03-20 Thread Richard Botham

Ellis,


Point 1 . Pass

Point 2.

Loopbacks in ospf are always advertised as stub networks, ie: /32 routes.

You can change the network type on the loopback by using the command ' ip
ospf network point-to-point ' the route will be seen by others as a route to
a subnet.

HTH
Richard



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Re: clock rate [7:38908]

2002-03-20 Thread Marc Thach Xuan Ky

1. Because its 64000 bps, built by humans, not computer memory.
3. huh? Note that if you earn 50k you will get 5 (less tax)
Marc

Ellis Lam wrote:
 
 Two Qs,
 
 1. in FR, when we specify clock rate for 64k, we use clock rate 64000, why
 not 64 x 1024 = 65536 ? and for 1.544 mbps, we use 148000, why not 1.544 x
 1024 x 1024 ?
 
 2. in OSPF, when config a loop back interface with address 128.10.10.10/24
 and in other router, we can see the rout to 128.10.10.10/32 ?? but if we
 config an ethernet interface, it is 128.10.10.10/24, any reason ?? or
simply
 the behaviour in OSPF ?
 
 Thanks
 
 Ellis




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Re: clock rate [7:38908]

2002-03-20 Thread Tom Scott

[Question] 1. in FR, when we specify clock rate for 64k, we
use clock rate 64000, why
not 64 x 1024 = 65536 ? and for 1.544 mbps, we use 148000,
why not 1.544 x
1024 x 1024 ?

Partial answer: Transmission speeds are in bits per second
(temporal), storage is in bytes (spatial), although you'll
find reference to octets (usually not expressed as bytes) in
the speeds when they're discussing frame formats. When you
see 1.544 mbps, it's 1.544 x 10^6 = 1.544 x 1000 x 1000. As
long as you're measuring speed, you don't make a conversion
from a decimal number to a power-of-2 number. The 1.544 mbps
came from the original T carrier system, when we had T1, T2
(4 x T1) and T3 (28 x T1) encapsulations (or whatever it was
called) and DS0 (64 kbps), DS1 (24 x DS0), DS2 (4 x DS1) and
DS3 (28 x DS1) speeds. If I remember correctly, the T
carrier system was deployed way back in the 1960's in the
US, and in Europe as the E system. The research was probably
finished at Bell Labs and the universities in the 1950's;
they also had specifications for optical that we are still
trying to figure out how to deploy. Those old guys were
pretty smart, especially when you consider the state of the
art at that time.

The DS0 speed came from 8 x 8000 = 8 x 8 kHz. That works out
to a speed of 1,536,000 bps when you combine 24 DS0
channels. Adding 8000 bps (8 kbps) for framing gives
1,544,000 bps or 1.544 mbps. To say that DS1 is 24 DS0
channels is slightly misleading unless you realize that the
extra 8 kbps framing is implied. You'll have to do some
mulitplication to check the DS2 and DS3, and look up some of
the old books (this is considered ancient history now).

I have no idea what to say about 148x 10^x. Where did you
get that?

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RE: clock rate [7:38908]

2002-03-20 Thread R. Benjamin Kessler

1. in FR, when we specify clock rate for 64k, we use clock rate 64000, why
not 64 x 1024 = 65536 ? and for 1.544 mbps, we use 148000, why not 1.544 x
1024 x 1024 ?

This isn't just FR, but any connection that uses T1 signaling.

At 8000 frames/s (these are T1 frames); each frame is composed of 8-bits per
channel (x 24 channels) plus a framing/signaling bit (ESF).

As a result, each DS0 (channel) is 64000 bits/s.

This has nothing to do with the binary calculation of 2**16 which equals
65535.

There is a common confusion between base10 and base2 in the computing
industry - just check any Dell ad; they footnote their definition of GB to
equal a billion bytes (Toshiba does this too - I'm sure there are others)
rather than the 2**30 that we may be used to.

2. in OSPF, when config a loop back interface with address 128.10.10.10/24
and in other router, we can see the rout to 128.10.10.10/32 ?? but if we
config an ethernet interface, it is 128.10.10.10/24, any reason ?? or
simply
the behaviour in OSPF ?

I don't know if this is per the RFC or just Cisco's implementation
(actually, I really don't care...so I haven't bothered to look it up) but
because the router sees the interface as a loopback type (vs. broadcast,
non-broadcast, point-to-point, point-to-multipoint) it knows that there is
only one valid address for that network and advertises the host route.

This causes a classic VLSM/FLSM problem when redistributing to IGRP as the
loopbacks in the OSPF domain become unreachable in the IGRP domain without
taking specific steps to provide reachability.

One method is to manually modify the ospf interface type of the loopback; if
you change it to point-to-point the network configured on the loopback
interface (in your example 128.10.10.0/24) will be advertised in OSPF rather
than the host route.

Another way to handle this is via the default-network command but that
wasn't your question and it has been covered many times on this list so if
you want more info about it check the archives.

HTH,

Ben




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