Re: Bruce Caslow
I can attest to the equipment list that Fred mentioned. It is exactly as he says. As for people not being given adequate explanation... I would say it is clear that the course content and pace are defined as to prepare someone who has already spent some fairly decent period of time preparing. Think about it... The number of topic covered are staggering, but then so are the number of potential topics on the test. In fact I do not believe that Mentor's claim is to cover every coneivable variance, but to get people pointed in the right direction. I can assure you that no class, ranging a week will prepare someone who has not done the proper groundwork. If there is an area where there may be any grounds for problems it would be in the understanding and expectations that a student brings to the class. If someone is coming from a mentality that is instilled by the CCNA and CCNP types of read-a-book/pass-a-test mode, there is a radical difference.- Original Message - From: Fred Ingham Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 3:21 PM To: Dale Holmes; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow In the ECP-1 course the number of routers in each rack is seven. Tokenring is included on routers and also on 3920 TR switch. ATM and voicealso included. Explanations are always given as is individual help ifstudent didn't understand the way a topic was presented. Where did youget your bad info?FredDale Holmes wrote:>> I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a> half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't understand> something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it explained...>> This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the course. I> have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$> (IMNSHO).>> >From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >Reply-To: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Bruce Caslow> >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400> >> >I just registered to take a class with the company> >that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services;> >Mentor Technologies.> >> >I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity> >to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I> >spoke with estimated that 80% of the people> >who take the course pass the lab exam on the> >first try.> >> >I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to> >not attend the class.> >> >In any case, has anyone had experience with> >this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow> >the best instructor there? I've been told that> >all the other instructors are his students. I> >was told they allow you to stay in the classroom> >practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the> >wee hours of the night if necessary.> >> >On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results> >from a class from another vendor?> >> >> >On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who> >responded to my query about bandwidth statements> >on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot!> >> >> >_> >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info:> >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html> >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> _> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.>> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at> http://profiles.msn.com.>> _> FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html> Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]_FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.htmlReport misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: Bruce Caslow
In the ECP-1 course the number of routers in each rack is seven. Token ring is included on routers and also on 3920 TR switch. ATM and voice also included. Explanations are always given as is individual help if student didn't understand the way a topic was presented. Where did you get your bad info? Fred Dale Holmes wrote: > > I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a > half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't understand > something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it explained... > > This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the course. I > have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$ > (IMNSHO). > > >From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Bruce Caslow > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400 > > > >I just registered to take a class with the company > >that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services; > >Mentor Technologies. > > > >I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity > >to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I > >spoke with estimated that 80% of the people > >who take the course pass the lab exam on the > >first try. > > > >I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to > >not attend the class. > > > >In any case, has anyone had experience with > >this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow > >the best instructor there? I've been told that > >all the other instructors are his students. I > >was told they allow you to stay in the classroom > >practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the > >wee hours of the night if necessary. > > > >On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results > >from a class from another vendor? > > > > > >On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who > >responded to my query about bandwidth statements > >on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot! > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bruce Caslow
I attended Bruce's class in 1998, just prior to taking my CCIE lab. I can honestly say that I got more out of his class than in any of the Cisco, Microsoft, Novell, etc. classes that I had taken previously. It was compressed, absolutely; the amount of material presented in 5 days couldn't have been done without compression. I did pass my lab, though, and definitely appreciated the class. Regards, Eric Sineath, CCIE #4504 Senior Consultant SBC DataComm -Original Message- From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 2:32 PM To: Michael Le Cc: info; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Michael Le wrote: > I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited > about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. > It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour > days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at > 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee > hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. > Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and > specifically said that taking the class without much > additional practice will make it very hard. > The class does cover most of what is needed though. > Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder > configs and stricter ways to configure things. > Overall, all the past posts that said this class is > the best... I concur. What is the current cost of the class? Brian > > Michael Le > > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bruce Caslow
Alright, now, Dale is way more blunt than I was the other day, comence with da flaming! LOL > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Dale Holmes > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:40 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow > > > I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a > half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't > understand > something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it > explained... > > This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the > course. I > have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$ > (IMNSHO). > > > >From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Bruce Caslow > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400 > > > >I just registered to take a class with the company > >that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services; > >Mentor Technologies. > > > >I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity > >to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I > >spoke with estimated that 80% of the people > >who take the course pass the lab exam on the > >first try. > > > >I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to > >not attend the class. > > > >In any case, has anyone had experience with > >this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow > >the best instructor there? I've been told that > >all the other instructors are his students. I > >was told they allow you to stay in the classroom > >practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the > >wee hours of the night if necessary. > > > >On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results > >from a class from another vendor? > > > > > >On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who > >responded to my query about bandwidth statements > >on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot! > > > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
Just checked MentorTech's website - its gone up to $3995.00! ""Frank Wells"" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > It is approximately $3600.00 > > > >From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Michael Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:31:30 -0500 (CDT) > > > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Michael Le wrote: > > > > > I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited > > > about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. > > > It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour > > > days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at > > > 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee > > > hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. > > > Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and > > > specifically said that taking the class without much > > > additional practice will make it very hard. > > > The class does cover most of what is needed though. > > > Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder > > > configs and stricter ways to configure things. > > > Overall, all the past posts that said this class is > > > the best... I concur. > > > >What is the current cost of the class? > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > > Michael Le > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Network Administrator > >ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > > >_ > >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bruce Caslow
http://www.mentortech.com/learn/desc_ECP1.shtml > -Original Message- > From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:32 PM > To: Michael Le > Cc: info; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow > > > On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Michael Le wrote: > > > I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited > > about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. > > It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour > > days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at > > 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee > > hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. > > Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and > > specifically said that taking the class without much > > additional practice will make it very hard. > > The class does cover most of what is needed though. > > Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder > > configs and stricter ways to configure things. > > Overall, all the past posts that said this class is > > the best... I concur. > > What is the current cost of the class? > > Brian > > > > > > Michael Le > > > > > > --- > Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Network Administrator > ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct > and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
It is approximately $3600.00 >From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Michael Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:31:30 -0500 (CDT) > >On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Michael Le wrote: > > > I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited > > about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. > > It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour > > days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at > > 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee > > hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. > > Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and > > specifically said that taking the class without much > > additional practice will make it very hard. > > The class does cover most of what is needed though. > > Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder > > configs and stricter ways to configure things. > > Overall, all the past posts that said this class is > > the best... I concur. > >What is the current cost of the class? > >Brian > > > > > > Michael Le > > > > > >--- >Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Network Administrator >ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Michael Le wrote: > I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited > about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. > It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour > days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at > 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee > hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. > Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and > specifically said that taking the class without much > additional practice will make it very hard. > The class does cover most of what is needed though. > Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder > configs and stricter ways to configure things. > Overall, all the past posts that said this class is > the best... I concur. What is the current cost of the class? Brian > > Michael Le > > --- Brian Feeny, CCNP, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
I took the course last week. Fred Ingham (who edited about 10 chapters of Bruce's book) taught the class. It was a very good class. I averaged about 15 hour days, starting from 8:30-9 until they kicked my out at 12 midnight. So yes, you get to work into the wee hours, past all the other classes that leave at 5pm. Fred made no claims as to how many people pass and specifically said that taking the class without much additional practice will make it very hard. The class does cover most of what is needed though. Most but not all, in that Cisco will use some weirder configs and stricter ways to configure things. Overall, all the past posts that said this class is the best... I concur. Michael Le --- info <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just registered to take a class with the company > that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services; > Mentor Technologies. > > I was wondering if any of you have had the > opportunity > to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I > spoke with estimated that 80% of the people > who take the course pass the lab exam on the > first try. > > I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to > not attend the class. > > In any case, has anyone had experience with > this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow > the best instructor there? I've been told that > all the other instructors are his students. I > was told they allow you to stay in the classroom > practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the > wee hours of the night if necessary. > > On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results > from a class from another vendor? > > > On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who > responded to my query about bandwidth statements > on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot! > > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
I hear that it is a great class, as long as you don't mind working with a half rack (3 routers) and no token ring... Oh, and if you don't understand something that is presented I hope you don't expect to have it explained... This is what I have heard from those who have actually taken the course. I have not done so myself - there are better ways to spend that kind of $$$ (IMNSHO). >From: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "info" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Bruce Caslow >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:58:18 -0400 > >I just registered to take a class with the company >that employs Bruce Caslow's teaching services; >Mentor Technologies. > >I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity >to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I >spoke with estimated that 80% of the people >who take the course pass the lab exam on the >first try. > >I am mildly skeptical of that but not enough to >not attend the class. > >In any case, has anyone had experience with >this group Mentor Technologies? Is Caslow >the best instructor there? I've been told that >all the other instructors are his students. I >was told they allow you to stay in the classroom >practicing stuff as long as you wantinto the >wee hours of the night if necessary. > >On a similar note: has anyone had excellent results >from a class from another vendor? > > >On an unrelated note: thanks so much to all who >responded to my query about bandwidth statements >on frame relay links. Definitely helped alot! > > >_ >FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: >http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html >Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bruce Caslow
Netgun makes the same type of claim, how do you verify that? Beats me, seems like you would have to poll all those who went through the course and then took the test. I am not sure if Mentors or NetGun does that for that matter. Will > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bruce Caslow > > > In a message dated 10/26/00 11:17:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity > > to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I > > spoke with estimated that 80% of the people > > who take the course pass the lab exam on the > > first try. > > > > I highly doubt that but I may be wrong. Only 20% of people who > take the test > pass it on their first shot. Granted, I have heard good things > about Mentor, > and Caslow is a god. ;) > > Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" > > >~Mark Zabludovsky~ > > _ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bruce Caslow
In a message dated 10/26/00 11:17:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I was wondering if any of you have had the opportunity > to take his lab exam prep course. The woman I > spoke with estimated that 80% of the people > who take the course pass the lab exam on the > first try. > I highly doubt that but I may be wrong. Only 20% of people who take the test pass it on their first shot. Granted, I have heard good things about Mentor, and Caslow is a god. ;) Mark Zabludovsky ~ CCNA, CCDA, 1/4-NP [EMAIL PROTECTED] "If you need luck, apparently you're not prepared...Go study!" ~Mark Zabludovsky~ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bruce caslow book in uk
Have you tried www.pcbooks.co.uk Karl - Original Message - From: "paul doyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 3:56 PM Subject: bruce caslow book in uk > Hello > Slightly off topic, sorry, but there seems to be a problem obtaining bruce > caslows routing, switching and bridging book in the UK without waiting 3-4 > weeks +. Tried Amazon and BOL neither of which have it in stock. Shipping > straight fromthe US is either hidiously expensive or I will have to wait > ages. Am I bolloxed totally or can someone tell me where it is stock (in the > UK) so I can get me hands on it quick? > second hand would be good also. > TIA > Paul > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ___ > UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
