Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
I would be interested in purchasing the 4500M from you. How can we proceed. Wayne Brian wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I would say 2520 can be pricey. You get 2 high speed ports, 2 low speed and 1 bri and 1 ethernet. for example, I sell 4500M's 32MB DRAM/16 Flash, 4 DTE/DCE cables, 1 ethernet, 4 serial, for $600.00. Thats cheaper than you'll probably see a 2520 for, plus you get all the cables.. Sure the 2520 has 1 BRI, i can throw in 4 BRI interface module (NP-4B) for $50 extra. The 4500M is like a dragster next to the 2520, its a whole different world than the 4000/4000M. It has a RISC processor. 4500M's are modular and can take FastEthernet and ATM interfaces. Just trying to be helpfull :) I have a small book I am publishing on the net, it will be on lab equipment selection and it goes into detail on frame relay switch selection. should be done in about 30 days. Brian On Wed, 1 May 2002, Wayne Jang wrote: I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Netjam, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netjam.net VISA/MC/AMEX/COD phone: 318-212-0245 30 day warranty fax: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43102t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43075t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43134t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
Thanks Brad. I'll consider your input. CiscoB wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43172t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
By the way... I don't know if it is old news (I think not), but I just read at Cisco that the 2500 has reached it's End Of Sales. (excluding the AS models). More info @ http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/2500/index.shtml Cheers for this elder soldier of telecommunications, it deserves the resting. :) Persio - Original Message - From: CiscoB To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072] Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43167t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
At 6:28 PM -0400 5/2/02, Persio Pucci wrote: By the way... I don't know if it is old news (I think not), but I just read at Cisco that the 2500 has reached it's End Of Sales. (excluding the AS models). More info @ http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/2500/index.shtml Cheers for this elder soldier of telecommunications, it deserves the resting. :) Persio The Queen Mum and the 2500, all too close together. Will there be some sort of formal funeral in San Jose? Perhaps a riderless horse with backward cables in the stirrups? Jets overhead in the missing packet formation? Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43185t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Brad, I don't doubt your current experience is accurate, but I'm curious. When I was on the road teaching Cisco courses, the 2500's seemed to fail more than the 4000's. Probably the most persistent 4000 problem was one of the ports failing on the dual-Ethernet module. Is there any pattern to what you are seeing? I'm wondering if it's just a mechanical problem with wear on the slot modules, or something else that's aging. Howard Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43180t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
old news btw ccie lab has 2500's the slowest performing router but allt he money you guys pay hasn't been enough to enable any sort of upgrade so you better study it, Dave From: Persio Pucci Reply-To: Persio Pucci To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072] Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:28:49 -0400 By the way... I don't know if it is old news (I think not), but I just read at Cisco that the 2500 has reached it's End Of Sales. (excluding the AS models). More info @ http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/2500/index.shtml Cheers for this elder soldier of telecommunications, it deserves the resting. :) Persio - Original Message - From: CiscoB To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072] Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43179t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
We have quite a few Cisco 4k and they are pretty reliable. In a year and a half we have only replaced one 4k in our data center, and the only others we have touched are the ones we have deinstalled and replaced with 3600's. I think we have a hundred or so. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Howard C. Berkowitz Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072] Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Brad, I don't doubt your current experience is accurate, but I'm curious. When I was on the road teaching Cisco courses, the 2500's seemed to fail more than the 4000's. Probably the most persistent 4000 problem was one of the ports failing on the dual-Ethernet module. Is there any pattern to what you are seeing? I'm wondering if it's just a mechanical problem with wear on the slot modules, or something else that's aging. Howard Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43197t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The whole 4000 (and M) series? We have a few hundred 4700M routers, and previously 4000 routers (might have been 4000M, I forget). Haven't had too many problems with them that I'm aware of. Of course, they're EoS now, which is a slight problem... JMcL - Forwarded by Jenny Mcleod/NSO/CSDA on 03/05/2002 01:25 pm - CiscoB Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/05/2002 06:04 am Please respond to CiscoB To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072] Is this part of a business decision process?: Wayne, Ive had nothing but problems with 4000 series modular routers. So many problems, in fact, that I've stopped selling them. Too many hardware failures. Stick with the 2500 series thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cisco home labs: www.optsys.net Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I see, the token ring version is in less demand and you won't be using the ethernet/token ring anyway. But what about those AGS+ routers. I saw one on ebay for $100. It had 8 serial ports. What's the drawback to using that for a frame switch? Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43201t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
2521 would probably be cheaper and accomplish the same thing. thanks, -Brad Ellis CCIE#5796 (RS / Security) Network Learning Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.optsys.net (Cisco hardware) Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43073t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
Thanks CiscoB. Wayne Jang wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43078t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a Cisco Lab [7:43072]
I would say 2520 can be pricey. You get 2 high speed ports, 2 low speed and 1 bri and 1 ethernet. for example, I sell 4500M's 32MB DRAM/16 Flash, 4 DTE/DCE cables, 1 ethernet, 4 serial, for $600.00. Thats cheaper than you'll probably see a 2520 for, plus you get all the cables.. Sure the 2520 has 1 BRI, i can throw in 4 BRI interface module (NP-4B) for $50 extra. The 4500M is like a dragster next to the 2520, its a whole different world than the 4000/4000M. It has a RISC processor. 4500M's are modular and can take FastEthernet and ATM interfaces. Just trying to be helpfull :) I have a small book I am publishing on the net, it will be on lab equipment selection and it goes into detail on frame relay switch selection. should be done in about 30 days. Brian On Wed, 1 May 2002, Wayne Jang wrote: I'm thinking about buying a 2520 as a frame router. I already have two 2501s, one 2502, one 1201 swtich, and a 1912 switch. Is getting the 2520 a good way to spend my very limited funds? Wayne I'm buying / selling used CISCO gear!! email me for a quote Brian Feeny, CCIE #8036 Netjam, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netjam.net VISA/MC/AMEX/COD phone: 318-212-0245 30 day warranty fax: 318-212-0246 Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43082t=43072 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
