RE: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread James Gosnold
John, I too would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone knowledgable
on this. I just opened up your message after deleting the offending mail
from our ISP's POP server too!

One thing you can do to check out the offending mail in future is use a
utility to pull down the mail called 'pullmail'.

You can download it from these people:

http://www.swsoft.co.uk/index.asp?page=freesoftware

It runs a batch script so what you can do is start up a command prompt and
run the script, it then shows the process mail by mail so you can see where
it is bombing out and delete that mail only.

Seems to relate quite often to the senders address, not sure why but it does.

James.


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Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread John Neiberger
I ran into this problem a couple of days ago and I'm interested if anyone
else has experienced something similar. I opened up my email client at home
the other day and noticed that it was continually downloading the same
messages over and over again. It would get to the same message each time and
the POP server would stop responding and those messages were not removed
from the server. So, several minutes later the cycle would repeat.

I called Comcast tech support and they said that I must have a corrupted
email on the server. The solution was to login with the web-based mail
utility and delete the offending message. I never did figure out which
message was the culprit so I deleted all of them. This has resolved the
problem but I can't figure out what would have caused the problem to begin
with.

What sort of 'corruption' could occur to an email that would cause this sort
of behavior?

Thanks,
John




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RE: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread John Neiberger
That's very interesting, and it sounds like exactly what I was experiencing.
If it ever happens again I'll try harder to find the offending email to see
if this is the issue.

Many thanks,
John

 Vijay Ramcharan 7/16/03 11:11:47 AM 
I once had a similar problem that was being caused by version 3.0x of
Symantec's Antivirus/Filtering software which ran on Exchange. Our
Windows users had no problems receiving mail but our Mac users ran into
a problem where a message that was flagged as spam and had its body
replaced was incorrectly being terminated.

The user would get all messages up to the offending one but couldn't get
past it. The only solution at the time was to delete the offending
message using Outlook Web Access or log in using MAPI on a PC. Symantec
has since corrected the problem. 

--- Excerpt from Symantec's Knowledge Base 
POP3 session hangs while retrieving mail
Symptom: A POP3 mail client (for example, Outlook Express) stops
responding while retrieving one or more messages that were modified by
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange with a text
substitution. This problem only affects single-part MIME messages
formatted as HTML or RTF. Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express cannot
send messages in this format, so the problem is only seen in mail sent
with other mail clients.
Solution: POP3 messages must end with a period (.) on a new line. When
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange replaces an
attachment or message body, it appends a carriage return (CR) to the
substituted text. However, if the source format of the message was HTML
or RTF, Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange was
converting the CR to  for HTML or /par for RTF. This caused the
message to hang when retrieved with a POP3 mail client, because the
final period (.) was no longer on a new line. The code was fixed to add
the CR after the message is converted to HTML or RTF. This ensures that
the final period (.) is on a new line.

Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNP/DP


-Original Message-
From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]


I ran into this problem a couple of days ago and I'm interested if
anyone else has experienced something similar. I opened up my email
client at home the other day and noticed that it was continually
downloading the same messages over and over again. It would get to the
same message each time and the POP server would stop responding and
those messages were not removed from the server. So, several minutes
later the cycle would repeat.

I called Comcast tech support and they said that I must have a corrupted
email on the server. The solution was to login with the web-based mail
utility and delete the offending message. I never did figure out which
message was the culprit so I deleted all of them. This has resolved the
problem but I can't figure out what would have caused the problem to
begin with.

What sort of 'corruption' could occur to an email that would cause this
sort of behavior?

Thanks,
John




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RE: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread Vijay Ramcharan
I once had a similar problem that was being caused by version 3.0x of
Symantec's Antivirus/Filtering software which ran on Exchange. Our
Windows users had no problems receiving mail but our Mac users ran into
a problem where a message that was flagged as spam and had its body
replaced was incorrectly being terminated.

The user would get all messages up to the offending one but couldn't get
past it. The only solution at the time was to delete the offending
message using Outlook Web Access or log in using MAPI on a PC. Symantec
has since corrected the problem. 

--- Excerpt from Symantec's Knowledge Base 
POP3 session hangs while retrieving mail
Symptom: A POP3 mail client (for example, Outlook Express) stops
responding while retrieving one or more messages that were modified by
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange with a text
substitution. This problem only affects single-part MIME messages
formatted as HTML or RTF. Microsoft Outlook and Outlook Express cannot
send messages in this format, so the problem is only seen in mail sent
with other mail clients.
Solution: POP3 messages must end with a period (.) on a new line. When
Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange replaces an
attachment or message body, it appends a carriage return (CR) to the
substituted text. However, if the source format of the message was HTML
or RTF, Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Microsoft Exchange was
converting the CR to  for HTML or /par for RTF. This caused the
message to hang when retrieved with a POP3 mail client, because the
final period (.) was no longer on a new line. The code was fixed to add
the CR after the message is converted to HTML or RTF. This ensures that
the final period (.) is on a new line.

Vijay Ramcharan, MCSE, CCNP/DP


-Original Message-
From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]


I ran into this problem a couple of days ago and I'm interested if
anyone else has experienced something similar. I opened up my email
client at home the other day and noticed that it was continually
downloading the same messages over and over again. It would get to the
same message each time and the POP server would stop responding and
those messages were not removed from the server. So, several minutes
later the cycle would repeat.

I called Comcast tech support and they said that I must have a corrupted
email on the server. The solution was to login with the web-based mail
utility and delete the offending message. I never did figure out which
message was the culprit so I deleted all of them. This has resolved the
problem but I can't figure out what would have caused the problem to
begin with.

What sort of 'corruption' could occur to an email that would cause this
sort of behavior?

Thanks,
John




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Re: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread annlee
begin vent--
I am having continuing problems with comcast -- attbi was a *whole* lot
better.

My NAV has trouble scanning incoming or outgoing mail, though ZoneAlarm's
MailSafe function has zero trouble. Oddly, my Outlook has tons more problems
than my husband's Eudora client, though he also uses NAV.

I expect to switch to another mail server and use comcast as nothing more
than a dumb pipe. I think they may be able to handle that.
--end vent

Annlee

James Gosnold  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 John, I too would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone
knowledgable
 on this. I just opened up your message after deleting the offending mail
 from our ISP's POP server too!

 One thing you can do to check out the offending mail in future is use a
 utility to pull down the mail called 'pullmail'.

 You can download it from these people:

 http://www.swsoft.co.uk/index.asp?page=freesoftware

 It runs a batch script so what you can do is start up a command prompt and
 run the script, it then shows the process mail by mail so you can see
where
 it is bombing out and delete that mail only.

 Seems to relate quite often to the senders address, not sure why but it
does.

 James.




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Re: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread John Neiberger
Did you download the transition software?  :-)  Other than this odd problem
I haven't had any issues since the transition. I wasn't impressed with the
amount of time I spent waiting for support, though.

John

 annlee 7/16/03 3:38:55 PM 
begin vent--
I am having continuing problems with comcast -- attbi was a *whole* lot
better.

My NAV has trouble scanning incoming or outgoing mail, though ZoneAlarm's
MailSafe function has zero trouble. Oddly, my Outlook has tons more
problems
than my husband's Eudora client, though he also uses NAV.

I expect to switch to another mail server and use comcast as nothing more
than a dumb pipe. I think they may be able to handle that.
--end vent

Annlee

James Gosnold  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 John, I too would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone
knowledgable
 on this. I just opened up your message after deleting the offending mail
 from our ISP's POP server too!

 One thing you can do to check out the offending mail in future is use a
 utility to pull down the mail called 'pullmail'.

 You can download it from these people:

 http://www.swsoft.co.uk/index.asp?page=freesoftware 

 It runs a batch script so what you can do is start up a command prompt
and
 run the script, it then shows the process mail by mail so you can see
where
 it is bombing out and delete that mail only.

 Seems to relate quite often to the senders address, not sure why but it
does.

 James.




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Re: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread annlee
I did, though it turned out to be only for Outlook Express. However, I
configured Outlook per their mail account settings--but, like you, I find
their customer service to be an oxymoron.

Annlee

John Neiberger  wrote in message
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 Did you download the transition software?  :-)  Other than this odd
problem
 I haven't had any issues since the transition. I wasn't impressed with the
 amount of time I spent waiting for support, though.

 John

  annlee 7/16/03 3:38:55 PM 
 begin vent--
 I am having continuing problems with comcast -- attbi was a *whole* lot
 better.

 My NAV has trouble scanning incoming or outgoing mail, though ZoneAlarm's
 MailSafe function has zero trouble. Oddly, my Outlook has tons more
 problems
 than my husband's Eudora client, though he also uses NAV.

 I expect to switch to another mail server and use comcast as nothing more
 than a dumb pipe. I think they may be able to handle that.
 --end vent

 Annlee

 James Gosnold  wrote in message
 news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  John, I too would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone
 knowledgable
  on this. I just opened up your message after deleting the offending mail
  from our ISP's POP server too!
 
  One thing you can do to check out the offending mail in future is use a
  utility to pull down the mail called 'pullmail'.
 
  You can download it from these people:
 
  http://www.swsoft.co.uk/index.asp?page=freesoftware
 
  It runs a batch script so what you can do is start up a command prompt
 and
  run the script, it then shows the process mail by mail so you can see
 where
  it is bombing out and delete that mail only.
 
  Seems to relate quite often to the senders address, not sure why but it
 does.
 
  James.




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Re: Slightly OT: Corrupted Emails on POP Server [7:72397]

2003-07-16 Thread Howard C. Berkowitz
At 12:05 AM + 7/17/03, annlee wrote:
I did, though it turned out to be only for Outlook Express. However, I
configured Outlook per their mail account settings--but, like you, I find
their customer service to be an oxymoron.

Annlee


I've done enough escalation and schmoozing in Comcast customer 
support to learn that the customer service people have no access to 
operations/server people except through email. It also appears that 
their premium pro service was never staffed adequately, so you get 
the people with is your computer on rather than this is what your 
SMTP is doing wrong.

Their business grade customer support is OK.  When funds permit, I 
may very well upgrade to that, as well as trying some reorganized DSL 
providers.


John Neiberger  wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Did you download the transition software?  :-)  Other than this odd
problem
  I haven't had any issues since the transition. I wasn't impressed with
the
  amount of time I spent waiting for support, though.

  John

   annlee 7/16/03 3:38:55 PM 
  begin vent--
  I am having continuing problems with comcast -- attbi was a *whole* lot
  better.

  My NAV has trouble scanning incoming or outgoing mail, though ZoneAlarm's
  MailSafe function has zero trouble. Oddly, my Outlook has tons more
  problems
  than my husband's Eudora client, though he also uses NAV.

Do you really expect anyone to get involved with fingerpointing 
between spousal computers?  It certainly wasn't the only reason, but 
providing tech support to ex#2 was probably a contributing factor to 
the divorce.

  
  I expect to switch to another mail server and use comcast as nothing more
  than a dumb pipe. I think they may be able to handle that.
  --end vent

  Annlee

  James Gosnold  wrote in message
  news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   John, I too would be interested to hear the thoughts of anyone
  knowledgable
   on this. I just opened up your message after deleting the offending
mail
   from our ISP's POP server too!
  
   One thing you can do to check out the offending mail in future is use a
   utility to pull down the mail called 'pullmail'.
  
   You can download it from these people:
  
   http://www.swsoft.co.uk/index.asp?page=freesoftware
  
   It runs a batch script so what you can do is start up a command prompt
  and
   run the script, it then shows the process mail by mail so you can see
  where
   it is bombing out and delete that mail only.
  
   Seems to relate quite often to the senders address, not sure why but it
  does.
  
James.




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