PING - Sacramento CA Cisco Study Group Info [7:51320]
any members here? anyone have an e-mail or a contact - I've misplaced / lost previous information I had thanks Chuck -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Robert A. Heinlein may his soul grumble in peace Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51320t=51320 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PING - Sacramento CA Cisco Study Group Info [7:51320]
looks like the web site is gone... here's a list of cug cisco-users.org/other_cugs.htm - Original Message - From: Chuck's Long Road To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: PING - Sacramento CA Cisco Study Group Info [7:51320] any members here? anyone have an e-mail or a contact - I've misplaced / lost previous information I had thanks Chuck -- TANSTAAFL there ain't no such thing as a free lunch Robert A. Heinlein may his soul grumble in peace Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=51330t=51320 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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so is a hanging chad - Original Message - From: ElephantChild [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul Borghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Paul Borghese wrote: Also, remember - this group has had a slight design change. The group is now a combination of two groups, Professional and Tech. The Tech group may discuss any issue related to network engineering, not just Cisco products. Please read http://www.groupstudy.com/lists/cisco.html and 404 compliant. ITYM http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html. http://www.groupstudy.com/list/changes.html for more information. -- "Airplane travel is nature's way of making you look like your passport photo." --- Al Gore _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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My Yahoo mail has a "delete" right above the email address of the person who sent me the mail. Convenient...huh!!??? --- NEO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a delete button??? -- Michael S Garcia CCNA - MCP - CCNP (soon) Axient Communications "chris fong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I don't know about the rest of you, but I got REAL good at using the 'delete' button after joining the group. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you for saying this - it was a long time coming. I, for one, agree whole-heartedly. -Original Message- From: NP-BASS LEON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 7:24 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, NP-BASS LEON wrote: I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a If you wish to be successfull in your "cisco" voyage, it does help to know a little bit about what the competition is doing. This will make you more cluefull, and clue is in short supply these days. comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who Is this not our own time? You think being critical of cisco is a bad thing? You need to know the good, the bad and the ugly.and trust me, their is a mix of all of it when it comes to cisco. want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 I think what we have on this list, is a bunch of intelligent people who just like to talk. Not only do they enjoy helping people solve problems but also a little harmless healthy argument now and then keeps us sharp. We are fortunate to have cisco employees/engineers on this list too... You see when someone says something they don't like about cisco, and then they say "juniper can do this, foundry can do this, cisco can't"...who knows the outcome? What may happen is that a knowledagle cisco employee says "You know we *can* do that, its in this release of IOS, blah blah blah"..the result? We learn.and I think thats a good thing. I mean, I don't think this got so far out of hand that people are being insulted, I think this is just healthy debate cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. Leon, what would you like help with, I would hate for you to feel neglected.but if you need some help just ask and I am sure alot of people will help you out. Brian _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Brian Feeny, CCNP+ATM, CCDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Administrator ShreveNet Inc. (ASN 11881) _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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talk about preaching. take some of you own advice. I always "enjoy" posts that say "if you reply to my silly post you prove my point about silly posts" or "listen to my opinion but don't tell me yours" yep always a pleasure. Kevin Wigle p.s. you guys knew I would respond didn't you??? :-) - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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talk about preaching. take some of you own advice. I always "enjoy" posts that say "if you reply to my silly post you prove my point about silly posts" or "listen to my opinion but don't tell me yours" yep always a pleasure. Kevin Wigle p.s. you guys knew I would respond didn't you??? :-) - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP snip why really waste bandwidth. right? _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree that a certain amount of comparison is warranted. However, when it comes to arguments about who is better, I think it's benefit is unfounded. As always, just an opinion. :) Roman -Original Message- From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:35 AM To: NP-BASS LEON; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also, remember - this group has had a slight design change. The group is now a combination of two groups, Professional and Tech. The Tech group may discuss any issue related to network engineering, not just Cisco products. Please read http://www.groupstudy.com/lists/cisco.html and http://www.groupstudy.com/list/changes.html for more information. Paul "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I cant believe all you people have got the time to write these emails about this crap. You obviously need more work to do. -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 December 2000 16:03 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the named addressee. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any information contained therein by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately by returning the e-mail to the originator. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from potentially turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep? Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes indeed-I have been trying to make this point for about a month, and I have no patience for you imbecills that take up our precious study/troubleshooting time with your incessant beckoring. Roy -Original Message- From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:35 AM To: NP-BASS LEON; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It has already begun it seems. "I work for Cisco", "I work for Juniper", "we are better, hands down". Technical comparisons are great because that benefits us all. General statements about which company is doing better or opinions about who's product is better don't. I love interoperability posts and information on pitfalls when dealing with various vendors. This is really helpful to us all. Once again (beating a dead horse), sales pitches shouldn't reside here. -Original Message- From: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from potentially turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep? Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _
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Well brian if I ask a question about access lists and I get a reply about buying a Cat 65xx can I borrow 50 grand. Duck - Original Message - From: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from potentially turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep? Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report miscondu
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To each his/her own. I'm following the talk about Cisco's competitors with interest. My company recently lost a couple of its CCIEs to Juniper; no doubt other present and wannabe CCIEs will "defect" to the competition. Second, on technical grounds, I've gained a better appreciation of Cisco's product lines through comparison to the competition. It's a lot more useful than someone appealing to the list for job relocation advice and whatnot. Hey, that's what DELETE is for. --Kathy M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of NP-BASS LEON Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:24 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP
Sure, if I can sell it to you Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:36 PM To: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Well brian if I ask a question about access lists and I get a reply about buying a Cat 65xx can I borrow 50 grand. Duck - Original Message - From: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from potentially turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep? Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it else where, and share that, but keep the PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACH TO YOURSELVES. _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I got REAL good at using the 'delete' button after joining the group. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have been pretty aggressive about keeping sales off the list. If someone abuses the list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it will be taken care of. Paul - Original Message - From: "Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Donald B Johnson Jr" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:21 PM Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Sure, if I can sell it to you Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: Donald B Johnson Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:36 PM To: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Well brian if I ask a question about access lists and I get a reply about buying a Cat 65xx can I borrow 50 grand. Duck - Original Message - From: Roe Brian M Civ 612 ACOMS/AFETS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:12 AM Subject: RE: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP Quick question...what is going to prevent this study group from potentially turning into a sales forum? With the anonymity that the Internet provides for all I know the advice I get could come from a sales rep? Brian Roe (GS-11) TDC ICAP Deployable Systems/Tactical Networks 12 AF AFETS 5280 E Gafford Way (Bldg.72) Suite 111 Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ 85707 Ph:520-228-2028 Fax:520-228-4384 -Original Message- From: John Neiberger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I agree, Leon should relax a little. Sure, this is a Cisco certification study group by name, but it has evolved to be more than that. This is natural considering the number of list members who have developed relationships with each other. We all know the regulars, and sometimes we go off on tangents--shop talk, that's all it is. We know that this list is here for cisco-specific topics, but it is also a great place to get the opinions of others who you respect and learn from, regardless of whether it is Cisco-specific or not. It would help if everyone made their off-topic posts very apparent by always including OT in the subject line. I try to, but I don't always remember. Besides, there are a large number of cisco-related questions that might not be specifically related to one of the Cisco certifications, and we certainly would not want to ban those topics. So, everyone should do three things: 1. Chill out a little 2. Be more specific with subject lines 3. Learn to use the Delete button Regards, John GEEZ Leonrelax. Its ok to go off on tangents every so often. - Original Message - From: "NP-BASS LEON" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP I have used this study group for a while now and I think someone needs to say this, this study group is called a CISCO study group, NOT EXTREME, NOT JUNIPER. NOT FOUNDRY or any other vendor you can think of, but CISCO, LET US NOT FORGET THIS "RIF" Reading is fundamental. If you are going to make a comparison because of compatibility issues fine, but don't waste the time of individuals that are trying to learn with your opinions about every other router and switch in the world, FRANKLY WHO CARES. Now if you want to discuss issues you have had with these devices being and there interoperability then fine, inform us, but degrading or using air time to be critical of Cisco, it's engineers or even it's support, then open up your own CHAT ROOM and do that on your own TIME. Not the time of individuals who want to advance and learn. I say this because in the past month, all I see and read is Cisco is in trouble because of this, Cisco isn't doing that, Cisco better do this, If you are fed up with Cisco and want to take your money other places then do it, I enjoy this sight for the technical knowledge that it provides, for individuals on this sight to continue to read negative statements, enforces the opposite of what this site is trying to build, it's obvious some of us have nothing better to do than put down Cisco don't have a lot of equitable knowledge to share anyway. Just my 2 cents. Reply if you like, but it will just once again make my point, provide something knowledgable, not your opinion, This is not a PHILOSOPHY study, we only need your Cisco experience, not what you think Cisco should, could or would do, Whatever they don't do, get it els
Re: THIS IS A CISCO STUDY GROUP
Hmmm, your DNS server might not have updated. Probably going to 208.242.122.7 instead of our new address. Paul "ElephantChild" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Paul Borghese wrote: Also, remember - this group has had a slight design change. The group is now a combination of two groups, Professional and Tech. The Tech group may discuss any issue related to network engineering, not just Cisco products. Please read http://www.groupstudy.com/lists/cisco.html and 404 compliant. ITYM http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html. http://www.groupstudy.com/list/changes.html for more information. -- "Airplane travel is nature's way of making you look like your passport photo." --- Al Gore _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
