What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]
All, I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'. I have read Cisco's material and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking for here. I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and troubleshooting. How are the Problems/requirements presented? For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"? In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level functionality may or may not be working? Real world troubleshooting is usually in response to observed problem, or issue. Is it fair game to have something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod? Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both? Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and cableing on the routers. Are you required to orally defend your design? I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any input that can help me visualize what it will be like. Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8366&t=8366 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]
Go to www.cciebootcamp.com . They have pretty good write up. I know of 2 guys that just took itand I dont know but they both said they were going to smoke ityet they both never got invited back on the second day. Perhaps they undersetimated the amount of material and the little hidden mines along the way that this exam is famous for. The only thing I disagree with is the statement that one of the guys made. He did not really care that he failed but that he had "seen it" and now knew what to do. I think its this kind of attitude which will cause him more problems. If he tends to assume that the exam he took is the only blue print he will set himself up again to fail. Anyway, these guys work with me and said the exam was truly a monster. Raul - Original Message - From: "NetEng Phx" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366] > All, > > I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to > visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'. I have read Cisco's material > and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking > for here. > > I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and > troubleshooting. How are the Problems/requirements presented? > > For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a > scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely > to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to > conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: > "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"? > > In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to > discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level > functionality may or may not be working? Real world troubleshooting is > usually in response to observed problem, or issue. Is it fair game to have > something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of > functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod? > > Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both? > > Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and > cableing on the routers. > > Are you required to orally defend your design? > > I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any > input that can help me visualize what it will be like. > > > Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8377&t=8366 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]
One of my new books that I've been using is Satterlee & Hutnik's "CCIE Lab Practice Kit," (007212766X - *mucho* mistakes, but not crippling and they actually make the labs more challenging) and they claim it's "As Close As You Can Get" - Satterlee's a CCIE (3980). Now, I've worked through the first lab (on BGP), and it's basically a 56-step procedure. They give you a topology diagram, a few general rules (no static routes, can't use "ip ospf network point-to-multipoint," etc.), then cut you loose. Now, my question is, is the CCIE Lab equivalent to just one of these labs, or two, or more? I also shot an email off to the "CCIE team" from CCO regarding the use of Notepad in the Lab - I've been relying on it quite heavily, but from what I understand, nothing can be saved to the hard drive during the Lab. I'd hate to see an untimely PC crash wipe out all my work - Original Message - From: NetEng Phx To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366] All, I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'. I have read Cisco's material and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking for here. I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and troubleshooting. How are the Problems/requirements presented? For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"? In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level functionality may or may not be working? Real world troubleshooting is usually in response to observed problem, or issue. Is it fair game to have something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod? Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both? Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and cableing on the routers. Are you required to orally defend your design? I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any input that can help me visualize what it will be like. Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8434&t=8366 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]
Correction - www.ccbootcamp.com Cisco's lawyers forced the change. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Raul F. Fernandez-IGLOU Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366] Go to www.cciebootcamp.com . They have pretty good write up. I know of 2 guys that just took itand I dont know but they both said they were going to smoke ityet they both never got invited back on the second day. Perhaps they undersetimated the amount of material and the little hidden mines along the way that this exam is famous for. The only thing I disagree with is the statement that one of the guys made. He did not really care that he failed but that he had "seen it" and now knew what to do. I think its this kind of attitude which will cause him more problems. If he tends to assume that the exam he took is the only blue print he will set himself up again to fail. Anyway, these guys work with me and said the exam was truly a monster. Raul - Original Message - From: "NetEng Phx" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366] > All, > > I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to > visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'. I have read Cisco's material > and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking > for here. > > I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and > troubleshooting. How are the Problems/requirements presented? > > For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a > scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely > to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to > conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: > "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"? > > In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to > discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level > functionality may or may not be working? Real world troubleshooting is > usually in response to observed problem, or issue. Is it fair game to have > something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of > functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod? > > Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both? > > Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and > cableing on the routers. > > Are you required to orally defend your design? > > I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any > input that can help me visualize what it will be like. > > > Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8718&t=8366 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366]
If you haven't done so already, get yourself a subscription to Certification zone www.certificationzone.com Check out the white paper by David Wolsefer on this topic. Also, check out the networkers presentation on the Lab ( rats - I can't find the link - check out the archives. Jenny McCloud posted the link a few weeks ago. ) Chuck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 10:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: What is the Lab 'like'? [7:8366] All, I am looking forward to a run at my CCIE next year and I am trying to visualize what the Lab test will be 'like'. I have read Cisco's material and searched around a bit, but that info falls short of what I am looking for here. I understand the lab consist of essentially two parts; build out and troubleshooting. How are the Problems/requirements presented? For example, are you given very high level requirements such as "build a scalable network" and you make all the design decisions, or are you likely to get more specific requirements such as; "plan and addressing scheme to conserve IP space and router resources", or even more specific like: "select and OSPF network type to use in your network"? In the troubleshooting section, do they insert faults that you have to discover, or do they provide you with at least some clue of which high level functionality may or may not be working? Real world troubleshooting is usually in response to observed problem, or issue. Is it fair game to have something tweaked in the configs that is not expressed in any level of functionality, or lack there-of, on the test pod? Are the problems presented in writing, orally by the proctor, or both? Do you deliver to the proctor diagrams, and notes, or just the configs and cableing on the routers. Are you required to orally defend your design? I am not interested in info that violates the agreement with Cisco, just any input that can help me visualize what it will be like. Thanks! Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=8719&t=8366 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
