Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-10-01 Thread Brian Morrison
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:17:56 +0100 (BST)
G.W. Haywood wrote:

 In a 'PS' footnote in my original post I merely asked another poster
 to be considerate to me, and not to include my email address in the
 body of his message.

I've now changed my reply template to accommodate you, I will add that
I have _never_ before been asked to do this in the 25 odd years that
I've been using email and mailing lists. In fact the template was the
default that my MUA supplies with a new installation.

  This is perfectly ordinary practice on most of
 the mailing lists that I frequent, and I am frankly baffled by the
 response.  Perhaps unlike me you don't all get ten thousand attempts
 to send spam to you every single day.

As I say, I've never been asked to do it before, and yes I do get
hundreds if not thousands of spam attempts each day and am subscribed
to dozens of mailing lists. My email address has been public since I
started using it, I have measures in place to deal with the problem as
I run my own mail server and have complete control of it.

Sorry if you thought I was being awkward. In my experience bots do
harvest some headers as well, so it's entirely possible that an address
in the list headers can be harvested.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-25 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, Al Varnell wrote:


... my understanding of what he's asking now is that the list
server remove any addresses that their client includes.


For the sake of clarity, I did not ask that.  I also did not ask for
policy changes at Sourcefire, nor did I ask anyone to force anyone
else to do anything.

In a 'PS' footnote in my original post I merely asked another poster
to be considerate to me, and not to include my email address in the
body of his message.  This is perfectly ordinary practice on most of
the mailing lists that I frequent, and I am frankly baffled by the
response.  Perhaps unlike me you don't all get ten thousand attempts
to send spam to you every single day.

However this thread is now, I think, irretrievably lost, and as far as
I'm concerned it's finished.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-25 Thread Joel Esler
On Sep 25, 2012, at 6:17 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote:
 On Tue, 25 Sep 2012, Al Varnell wrote:
 
 ... my understanding of what he's asking now is that the list
 server remove any addresses that their client includes.
 
 For the sake of clarity, I did not ask that.  I also did not ask for
 policy changes at Sourcefire, nor did I ask anyone to force anyone
 else to do anything.
 
 In a 'PS' footnote in my original post I merely asked another poster
 to be considerate to me, and not to include my email address in the
 body of his message.  This is perfectly ordinary practice on most of
 the mailing lists that I frequent, and I am frankly baffled by the
 response.  Perhaps unlike me you don't all get ten thousand attempts
 to send spam to you every single day.
 
 However this thread is now, I think, irretrievably lost, and as far as
 I'm concerned it's finished.

Mailing list etiquette is always an interesting conversation.  I love to see 
different people's perspectives on the nuances of it.

For instance.  Any idea why your mail client breaks threading?  I thought Pine 
handled Message-ID's correctly?

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-24 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:


Maybe you are talking about something I'm not aware of.


This is standard mailing list etiquette going back, I guess, almost a
couple of decades and I'm both surprised and disappointed to have to
go over it here.


But by the pure fact that you are emailing a mailing list shows your
email address.  It's not a secret.  Aside from the fact that most
mail clients put it right back in the reply (as shown above, like
mine does).


This is not about what happens when people subscribe to mailing lists,
nor about what your mail client may or may not do to be helpful.


So maybe we are confused about what you are talking about,


It does look that way. :)


or perhaps you are.


Nope.

Mailing lists are archived by a number of list archiving systems which
both archive the content of list messages and and publish it on their
Websites.  Unlike the lists to which I subscribe, it is not necessary
to make any form of subscription to be able to search these archives.

For that reason they are regularly trawled by spammers' email address
harvesting bots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address_harvesting

For that reason, the responsible list archive managers do not publish
the message headers (except of course for the 'Subject:' header) and
when they serve pages of text containing the mail messages that they
have archived, they use various techniques to try to avoid publication
of email addresses which happen to be included in the message bodies.
But the software which does this is not infallible, so it makes sense
to minimize the risk.

It has long been accepted practice to avoid placing email addresses in
the body of any mail message which is sent to any mailing list.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-24 Thread G.W. Haywood

B0;261;0cHi there,

On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:


My point being that we have a bug open on it, we're working on it,
so continuing trying to argue the point is pointless.  ...


Ah, yes, I think we are at crossed purposes here.  I'm not trying to
convince you to act on the enhancement request, just trying to explain
the reasoning behind it to a couple of people who might not follow it.

Thanks for accepting the request.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-24 Thread Joel Esler
On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:23 AM, G.W. Haywood  wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:
 
 Maybe you are talking about something I'm not aware of.
 
 This is standard mailing list etiquette going back, I guess, almost a
 couple of decades and I'm both surprised and disappointed to have to
 go over it here.
 
 But by the pure fact that you are emailing a mailing list shows your
 email address.  It's not a secret.  Aside from the fact that most
 mail clients put it right back in the reply (as shown above, like
 mine does).
 
 This is not about what happens when people subscribe to mailing lists,
 nor about what your mail client may or may not do to be helpful.


I understand your concern.  I've been on mailing lists since the mid 90s, and 
am well aware of list etiquette.  Of course, bottom posting is etiquette too, 
and not a lot of people do it, as their client doesn't do it by default.

I'm not going to force people to change the default behavior of how their 
client behaves just to participate in an open mailing list.  Listen, I get it, 
I've been in the industry a long time as well, but it's just not something I'm 
going to FORCE people to do.  

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-24 Thread Al Varnell
On 9/24/12 8:41 AM, Joel Esler wrote:

 On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:23 AM, G.W. Haywood  wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 On Mon, 24 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:
 
 Maybe you are talking about something I'm not aware of.
 
 This is standard mailing list etiquette going back, I guess, almost a
 couple of decades and I'm both surprised and disappointed to have to
 go over it here.
 
 But by the pure fact that you are emailing a mailing list shows your
 email address.  It's not a secret.  Aside from the fact that most
 mail clients put it right back in the reply (as shown above, like
 mine does).
 
 This is not about what happens when people subscribe to mailing lists,
 nor about what your mail client may or may not do to be helpful.
 
 
 I understand your concern.  I've been on mailing lists since the mid 90s, and
 am well aware of list etiquette.  Of course, bottom posting is etiquette too,
 and not a lot of people do it, as their client doesn't do it by default.
 
 I'm not going to force people to change the default behavior of how their
 client behaves just to participate in an open mailing list.  Listen, I get it,
 I've been in the industry a long time as well, but it's just not something I'm
 going to FORCE people to do.
 
I agree that trying to force people to do so would be a loosing battle and
not worth the effort.  I subscribe to many lists and must say that this is
the first time I've read such a request.  But my understanding of what he's
asking now is that the list server remove any addresses that their client
includes.


-Al-
 
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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-24 Thread Chuck Swiger
Hi--

On Sep 24, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Al Varnell wrote:
[ ... ]
 I agree that trying to force people to do so would be a loosing battle and
 not worth the effort.  I subscribe to many lists and must say that this is
 the first time I've read such a request.  But my understanding of what he's
 asking now is that the list server remove any addresses that their client
 includes.

Then they are looking for the Avoid duplicate copies of messages? preference,
which is available for clamav-users list subscribers here:

  http://lists.clamav.net/cgi-bin/mailman/options/clamav-users

[ You'll need to login, or boink on the password reminder button if need be... ]

As for obscuring email addresses in list archives, that ought to be 
controllable by
a list-admin option, but it's sufficiently pointless that I don't see why one
would bother.

An intelligent spammer avoids sending traffic to abuse@ and postmaster@ for the
simple reason that such people are in the best position to globally blacklist
or train anti-spam/AV filters.  Spamming the subscribers of this list would be
a fast way of getting added to unofficial and maybe official signatures  :-)

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-23 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hello again,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2012, Brian Morrison wrote:


On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:50:10 +0100 (BST) G.W. Haywood wrote:


PS Please don't mail somebody's email address to the whole world.


It's in the list headers, it's already been made public...


Flame wars aren't going to get us anywhere.  I chided you over a small
lapse in email etiquette, let's leave it at that.  Heaven knows I've
made the odd howler in public too, I can live with that.

I don't think it hurts to remind people that there's a great deal more
to securing a network than to install a firewall and hope for the best.
Perhaps a discussion on the subject might to encourage people to read
more about basic security concepts, to contribute, and perhaps even to
investigate ways in which their network security can be improved.

That's one of the main reasons this list exists, and for signal to
noise ratio it's one of the very best to which I've subscribed.

Let's try to keep it that way.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-23 Thread Joel Esler
On Sep 23, 2012, at 6:47 AM, G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:
 On Sun, 23 Sep 2012, Brian Morrison wrote:
 
 On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:50:10 +0100 (BST) G.W. Haywood wrote:
 
 PS Please don't mail somebody's email address to the whole world.
 
 It's in the list headers, it's already been made public...
 
 Flame wars aren't going to get us anywhere.  I chided you over a small
 lapse in email etiquette, let's leave it at that.  Heaven knows I've
 made the odd howler in public too, I can live with that.

G.W.

Maybe you are talking about something I'm not aware of.  But by the pure fact 
that you are emailing a mailing list shows your email address.  It's not a 
secret.  Aside from the fact that most mail clients put it right back in the 
reply (as shown above, like mine does).   So maybe we are confused about what 
you are talking about, or perhaps you are.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-23 Thread Joel Esler
On Sep 22, 2012, at 9:50 AM, G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

 Mr. Esler's assertion that this is a pedantic argument, given his
 position, bothers me a little.

My point being that we have a bug open on it, we're working on it, so 
continuing trying to argue the point is pointless.  We're already working on it.

Thanks for the request.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-23 Thread Benny Pedersen

Joel Esler skrev den 23-09-2012 17:59:

So maybe we are confused about what you are talking about, or
perhaps you are.


is default reply template in Apple Mail to blame ?

just becurse its common it not the same as its common good idear

dont post my email with Apple Mail

respect that i dont do it



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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-22 Thread Brian Morrison
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:50:10 +0100 (BST)
G.W. Haywood somebl...@somewhere.or.other wrote:

 PS Please don't mail somebody's email address to the whole world.

It's in the list headers, it's already been made public on the list
and in the archives.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-22 Thread Benny Pedersen

Brian Morrison skrev den 2012-09-22 16:52:

On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 14:50:10 +0100 (BST)
G.W. Haywood somebl...@somewhere.or.other wrote:


PS Please don't mail somebody's email address to the whole world.


It's in the list headers, it's already been made public on the list
and in the archives.


bots dont read headers, so i think its valid to not post senders email 
address if one dont do itself, it only one to make it fail into a 
spamtrap


if you post your own i will reply with it non hidded





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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-22 Thread Brian Morrison
On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 17:02:40 +0200
Benny Pedersen x wrote:

 if you post your own i will reply with it non hidded

Be my guest, my email address has been public for many years without
problems.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV® : ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread Al Varnell
On 9/20/12 9:12 AM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote:

 On 9/18/2012 6:24 PM, Joel Esler wrote:
 http://blog.clamav.net/2012/09/clamav-stats-we-need-more-of-them-we.html
 
 ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help
 
 We've been working pretty hard behind the scenes over here on ClamAV, its
 backend infrastructure, and moving the codebase as well as its detection up
 the ladder.
 In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all are seeing
 out there, in the field, we need as many people as possible to opt-in to
 some statistics gathering features that we have built into the code base.
 
 If you've ever browsed around ClamAV.net, I'm sure you've probably bumped
 into this page:
 
 http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/download/cvd/malware-stats/
 
 at some point.  These are statistics that are provided by you all, the users
 of ClamAV, collected and correlated on our backend systems here.  It allows
 us to see trends across signatures and allows us to check in on what you are
 seeing in the actual real world.
 We need more people to opt-in to this feature.  We are looking at growing the
 detection rate and feature set of ClamAV's detection functionality, and this
 type of data will allow us to see where we need to pinpoint resources.
 
 If you can participate in the program, please go here:
 
 http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/faq/faq-cctts/stats-howto/
 
 Follow the instructions above and you should be good to go!  Thanks!
 
 I made the changes listed in the howto and restarted clamd and
 freshclam.  How can I tell if it's working?  I don't see anything in the
 freshclam logs indicating that it is submitting the statistics.
 
I have the following entry at the end of my freshclam.log session:
 SubmitDetectionStats: Not enough recent data for submission


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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Fri, 21 Sep 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote:
Den 2012-09-20 12:42, G.W. Haywood skrev:


option which disables the bytecode interpreter. ...

it can be disabled in freshclam.conf

No, that disables loading bytecode.  The interpreter is still there.



so this is a problem ?


Yes.


without signatures it does nothing imho


No.  Without signatures you *suppose* it does nothing.

In the same way, a compiler is supposed to do nothing.  Why is there
no compiler on my firewall?  Because my firewall does not need one.
If a compiler is not there it is *impossible* for it to do anything,
and that statement does not rely on your opinion.

This is how you need to think if you think about security.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread Brian Morrison
On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:31:59 +0100 (BST)
G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

 If a compiler is not there it is *impossible* for it to do anything,
 and that statement does not rely on your opinion.

It isn't Ken Thompson's opinion, it isn't necessary for a compiler to
exist for malicious acts to be possible. The source code doesn't even
have to contain the exploit.

http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV® : ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread Bowie Bailey

On 9/21/2012 4:35 AM, Al Varnell wrote:

On 9/20/12 9:12 AM, Bowie Bailey bowie_bai...@buc.com wrote:


On 9/18/2012 6:24 PM, Joel Esler wrote:

http://blog.clamav.net/2012/09/clamav-stats-we-need-more-of-them-we.html

ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

We've been working pretty hard behind the scenes over here on ClamAV, its
backend infrastructure, and moving the codebase as well as its detection up
the ladder.
In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all are seeing
out there, in the field, we need as many people as possible to opt-in to
some statistics gathering features that we have built into the code base.

If you've ever browsed around ClamAV.net, I'm sure you've probably bumped
into this page:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/download/cvd/malware-stats/

at some point.  These are statistics that are provided by you all, the users
of ClamAV, collected and correlated on our backend systems here.  It allows
us to see trends across signatures and allows us to check in on what you are
seeing in the actual real world.
We need more people to opt-in to this feature.  We are looking at growing the
detection rate and feature set of ClamAV's detection functionality, and this
type of data will allow us to see where we need to pinpoint resources.

If you can participate in the program, please go here:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/faq/faq-cctts/stats-howto/

Follow the instructions above and you should be good to go!  Thanks!

I made the changes listed in the howto and restarted clamd and
freshclam.  How can I tell if it's working?  I don't see anything in the
freshclam logs indicating that it is submitting the statistics.


I have the following entry at the end of my freshclam.log session:

SubmitDetectionStats: Not enough recent data for submission


I see it now after restarting again.  I thought I had restarted 
freshclam after making the change, but I guess not...


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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV® : ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread Bowie Bailey
Now that I have the submission working, I took a look at the personal 
stats page (www.stats.clamav.net).  I see a graph of some data here, but 
I'm not sure how to read it.


There is a bar chart with four bars.  The numbers on the bars are 5, 1, 
4, 2.  When I hover over the bars, I get 19, 21, 22, 23.  The period 
option is set to 1 day.


How do I interpret this?  There is absolutely no explanation of the 
chart on the page.  I would almost think the bars represent different 
days, but I've had the submission running for less than 24 hours at this 
point.


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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-21 Thread Joel Esler
As pedantic as this argument is, I understand both sides of the argument.

We have a bug in the system now, and we'll start triaging what it would
take to make that happen.

Thanks.


On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Brian Morrison b...@fenrir.org.uk wrote:

 On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 11:31:59 +0100 (BST)
 G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

  If a compiler is not there it is *impossible* for it to do anything,
  and that statement does not rely on your opinion.

 It isn't Ken Thompson's opinion, it isn't necessary for a compiler to
 exist for malicious acts to be possible. The source code doesn't even
 have to contain the exploit.

 http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-20 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:


On Sep 19, 2012, at 7:21 AM, G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:

... I'm unhappy with the bytecode interpreter ...


Okay, have you opened a feature request bug in our bugzilla tracking
system so we can get it tagged for a release?


Bug 5824.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-20 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Thu, 20 Sep 2012, Benny Pedersen wrote:


Den 2012-09-19 13:21, G.W. Haywood skrev:


option which disables the bytecode interpreter. ...


it can be disabled in freshclam.conf


No, that disables loading bytecode.  The interpreter is still there.

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-20 Thread Benny Pedersen

Den 2012-09-20 12:42, G.W. Haywood skrev:


option which disables the bytecode interpreter. ...

it can be disabled in freshclam.conf

No, that disables loading bytecode.  The interpreter is still there.


so this is a problem ?

without signatures it does nothing imho

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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV®: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-20 Thread Bowie Bailey

On 9/18/2012 6:24 PM, Joel Esler wrote:

http://blog.clamav.net/2012/09/clamav-stats-we-need-more-of-them-we.html

ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

We've been working pretty hard behind the scenes over here on ClamAV, its 
backend infrastructure, and moving the codebase as well as its detection up the 
ladder.
In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all are seeing out there, 
in the field, we need as many people as possible to opt-in to some statistics 
gathering features that we have built into the code base.

If you've ever browsed around ClamAV.net, I'm sure you've probably bumped into 
this page:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/download/cvd/malware-stats/

at some point.  These are statistics that are provided by you all, the users of 
ClamAV, collected and correlated on our backend systems here.  It allows us to 
see trends across signatures and allows us to check in on what you are seeing 
in the actual real world.
We need more people to opt-in to this feature.  We are looking at growing the 
detection rate and feature set of ClamAV's detection functionality, and this 
type of data will allow us to see where we need to pinpoint resources.

If you can participate in the program, please go here:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/faq/faq-cctts/stats-howto/

Follow the instructions above and you should be good to go!  Thanks!


I made the changes listed in the howto and restarted clamd and 
freshclam.  How can I tell if it's working?  I don't see anything in the 
freshclam logs indicating that it is submitting the statistics.


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[clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-19 Thread G.W. Haywood

Hi there,

On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:


In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all
are seeing out there, in the field, we need as many people as
possible to opt-in to some statistics gathering features that we
have built into the code base.


I'd be happy to opt into anything like this which might help, but I'm
unhappy with the bytecode interpreter so I'm stuck with an old version
of ClamAV.

Viruses don't concern me - I don't use Windows machines - so I believe
that ClamAV itself is a bigger danger to my systems than any malicious
software(*).  But the third party scam and phishing databases still do
a useful job with the old version of ClamAV that I run.

I'd be happy to get up to date and let you have some *interesting*
statistics if you could just see your way to including a compile-time
option which disables the bytecode interpreter.  Mr. Skoll and I asked
about this over two years ago:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/clamav/devel/46683

Incidentally my mail servers don't have browsers installed.  You might
like to think about that next time you post a link to a download page.

(*) Experience has supported this view although it has to be said that
things do seem to be improving, for which recognition is due. :)
xc
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Ged.
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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-19 Thread Benny Pedersen

Den 2012-09-19 13:21, G.W. Haywood skrev:


I'd be happy to get up to date and let you have some *interesting*
statistics if you could just see your way to including a compile-time
option which disables the bytecode interpreter.  Mr. Skoll and I 
asked

about this over two years ago:


it can be disabled in freshclam.conf

so freshclam do not fetch the bytecode.cvd

but yes it would be nice to see something in ./configure :)

i have not tested it so it might already be there



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Re: [clamav-users] ClamAV?: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-19 Thread Joel Esler
On Sep 19, 2012, at 7:21 AM, G.W. Haywood g...@jubileegroup.co.uk wrote:
 Hi there,
 
 On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Joel Esler wrote:
 
 In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all
 are seeing out there, in the field, we need as many people as
 possible to opt-in to some statistics gathering features that we
 have built into the code base.
 
 I'd be happy to opt into anything like this which might help, but I'm
 unhappy with the bytecode interpreter so I'm stuck with an old version
 of ClamAV.

Okay, have you opened a feature request bug in our bugzilla tracking system so 
we can get it tagged for a release?

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Senior Research Engineer, VRT
OpenSource Community Manager
Sourcefire
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[clamav-users] ClamAV®: ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

2012-09-18 Thread Joel Esler

http://blog.clamav.net/2012/09/clamav-stats-we-need-more-of-them-we.html

ClamAV Stats, we need more of them, we need your help

We've been working pretty hard behind the scenes over here on ClamAV, its 
backend infrastructure, and moving the codebase as well as its detection up the 
ladder.
In order for us to get some accurate statistics about what you all are seeing 
out there, in the field, we need as many people as possible to opt-in to some 
statistics gathering features that we have built into the code base.

If you've ever browsed around ClamAV.net, I'm sure you've probably bumped into 
this page:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/download/cvd/malware-stats/ 

at some point.  These are statistics that are provided by you all, the users of 
ClamAV, collected and correlated on our backend systems here.  It allows us to 
see trends across signatures and allows us to check in on what you are seeing 
in the actual real world.
We need more people to opt-in to this feature.  We are looking at growing the 
detection rate and feature set of ClamAV's detection functionality, and this 
type of data will allow us to see where we need to pinpoint resources.

If you can participate in the program, please go here:

http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/faq/faq-cctts/stats-howto/

Follow the instructions above and you should be good to go!  Thanks!


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