Re: [ANN] New blog post: Lisp's grandfather paradox
For me, sexprs are not fun for math, actually. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/CAJ7XQb6D2RfvD5TXHCVm3ZCtwMEfuwFccfS-BfYhj9ZiSO_yFA%40mail.gmail.com.
Re: Emacs-cider
Informative article-thanks! I’ve tried both ‘cider-connect’ & ‘cider-jack-in. Both throw the error message. I’m having to use ‘nightcode’ to get going with my clojure test-drive. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Matching Socks wrote: > > > How cider-nrepl gets loaded, all depends. The manual has something to say > about it, at https://docs.cider.mx/cider/basics/up_and_running.html > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/AGK8CeTqN2A/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/e7696f83-f6d8-43b7-8993-1466e8d87eb4%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/14CFB732-79EC-42FC-846C-C5998BE61ECC%40gmail.com.
Re: Emacs-cider
WARNING: CIDER requires cider-nrepl to be fully functional. Some features will not be available without it! More information. user> GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 ;; Connected to nREPL server - nrepl://localhost:51889 ;; CIDER 0.24.0 (India), nREPL 0.6.0 ;; Clojure 1.10.0, Java 1.8.0_241 On Friday, 13 March 2020 12:58:52 UTC-6, Alex Miller wrote: > > It would probably help to include any error information for someone to > learn more about the problem. > > On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:54:40 PM UTC-5, Duke wrote: >> >> The emacs-cider combo chokes with an error to the effect that cider-nrepl >> could not be loaded. >> I'm on a Win10 box. Would someone point m to a possible solution please. >> Thx. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/7b5c6858-2f5b-4890-91c1-e055f46ea9f1%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.2-alpha1
Okay- Got it! Thx. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 13, 2020, at 12:58 PM, 'Alex Miller' via Clojure > wrote: > > > Generally, you don't explicitly download it at all - you should just change > your dependency in your project.clj to use > > [org.clojure/clojure "1.10.2-alpha1"] > > and then leiningen will download it for you into your local Maven repository > (usually in ~/.m2/repository). > > >> On Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:54:40 PM UTC-5, Duke wrote: >> Thanks for the heads up! Need some advice though - if I may. Being a >> clojure/lein newbie, I'm not sure how to tell Lein that I've just DLed the >> latest, bleeding-edge version of clojure. And while I'm at it, to what >> directory on my Win10 box should I have DLed 1.10.2-alpha1 to? Thanks in >> advance! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/y7zBN3VjNwo/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/3fbebb98-b6c0-4ba7-84dd-56509e6f9a32%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/47E24A27-BD89-4752-AFD0-C6A64766C987%40gmail.com.
Emacs-cider
The emacs-cider combo chokes with an error to the effect that cider-nrepl could not be loaded. I'm on a Win10 box. Would someone point m to a possible solution please. Thx. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/19d984f2-6447-4a9a-afdf-3fab856fd2c3%40googlegroups.com.
Re: [ANN] Clojure 1.10.2-alpha1
Thanks for the heads up! Need some advice though - if I may. Being a clojure/lein newbie, I'm not sure how to tell Lein that I've just DLed the latest, bleeding-edge version of clojure. And while I'm at it, to what directory on my Win10 box should I have DLed 1.10.2-alpha1 to? Thanks in advance! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/clojure/6ac9f08b-f860-481d-8334-d48539997b21%40googlegroups.com.
Re: Two Senior Clojure developers based in Moscow looking for the interesting challenges and possibility for remote work
what happened after they, "walked into a bar"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Port graphs: What would Rich Hickey do?
€0.02 i like option #3, i think it would be possibly nice for edges to be named based on the ports they connect. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: State & GUIs
random tangential food for thought: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/elm-discuss/Discussion$20on$20saying$20farewell$20to$20FRP$20|sort:relevance/elm-discuss/6U74_aNXC04/UY8dIIh-CQAJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
was Re: ANN: Orchestra, complete instrumentation for clojure.spec
I am writing to ignorantly sincerely ask how spec + Orchestra compares to other statically typed out of the box JVM languages. What are the succint wins over not Scala shudder but eg Kotlin Ceylon, heck Frege, et. al.? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: complex made simple?
we need the TRIZ of software :-/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Multi-OS Engine | Intel(R) Software
Whatever happened to Defrac, anyway? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: Frustrations so far
Unfortunately, dynamically typed most often means what you are experiencing, as far as I know. Python, JavaScript, Scheme, Lua, etc. all have something like NPE that can happen at any random time, it feels like, no? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Having trouble doing what I want using macros, is there a better way?
My $0.02 is only resort to macros when all else has failed. Can just higher order functions and composition and injection get you closer to what you want? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Nicola Mometto wrote: > Fair enough, but in this case types wouldn't really have helped: the author > did use `Double` type hints, mistakenly assuming that would make its code use > primitive types, which it does not since `Double` is boxed and not primitive. > Clojure already has compile time warnings about boxed math that would've > helped in this case if turned on, without any need for types: try compiling > OP's code after running `(set! *unchecked-math* :warn-on-boxed)` Thanks for the details re: double. Apologies for being annoyed/ing. Next up: something like `(set! *unchecked-laziness* :warn-on-lazy)? We can relive the ignominious history of "$!" in Haskell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous
On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Nicola Mometto wrote: > Static types wouln't have helped at all in this case. Types are about > correctness, not performances. This comment was needless Here I thought maybe knowing when something was or was not something could have been useful in, you know, making the code (benchmarks in this case) actually do what the author wanted it to be doing. Silly me. I will always have my fingers crossed for core.typed. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I knew that primitives were better, but this is ridiculous
y'know, if only there were something, i dunno, something static that could you know have some, i dunno, 'types' that would help annotate things such that at maybe compile time, we'd know if the things we're handling are lazy or boxed or whatever-else or not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Addressing Matthias Felleisen's concerns?
(Did he mention Wadler? Probably. http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2538) I have it from friends who have used TR "in anger" that it is not really a win. My own experience with other things, e.g. the typed stuff in the lands of JavaScript and TypedLua, is in line with that, unfortunately. http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/5320 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms
> Sorry, never heard of horses for courses. Does it mean sth like different > strokes for different folks? yessir. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms
Horses for courses. Ask all the game people who use Lua big time. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms
RC & GC might complement. Don't throw out RC. Also, there are different kinds of 'performance'. Horses for courses, you know. https://www.google.com/search?q=bacon+gc+reference+counting+equation -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms
> The main motivation would be performance gains. blah? so many impedance mismatches and layers of indirection that i don't think it will gain much? i mean, it would probably be better to spend time tuning gc parameters or something. just a rant / guess. e.g. robovm is for some use cases perfectly fine performance wise believe it or not. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Porting Clojure to Native Platforms
things like robovm are another possible approach. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Memory Locality - Maps vs. Vectors vs. Transient Maps & Vectors
You can only tell by benchmarking. And even then it can change when you move to different hardware. You can debate about big O and constant factors and numa and all that jazz till you are blue in the face. There are 3 kinds of people in the world: 1) those who think we should stick with arrays because, after all, they *are* contiguous, and even if we have ssd's we still have cpu cache limits. 3) those who think programmer productivity is most important and just want to get it done and ship it and not have to bend over backwards to use some api that is not really as easy to use for their use case as, say, just using a blankeyblank hashmap. 2) everybody else. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
my new favorite s-expr video (seriously)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZipJOan54 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure as first language
one word: redstone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: New Matrix Multiplication benchmarks - Neanderthal up to 60 times faster than core.matrix with Vectorz
Awesome would be a way for Cojure to generate C (perhaps with e.g. Boehm–Demers–Weiser GC to get it kicked off) and JNI bindings all automagically. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: ANN replikativ 0.1.0 - strong eventual consistent P2P replication for clj and cljs
http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/search/node/crdt nice to see powerful theory being made more practically available to us masses. ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Ultralight Components
re: mixins, traits, etc. those terms have all been used in both research & shipped languages. Please see e.g. how Scala evolved with those terms. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Data visualization workshops post-mortem
Wow, thank you for sharing the info! Cool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
mbrace style integration?
hi,
ignorant question from me:
F#/dotnet has 'mbrace' which lets you, apparently, *super* easily
spawn things off to a cluster (cloud based). Instead of doing async {
/*worker code*/ }; you do cloud { /*worker code*/ }; and all the
management of getting it sent to the cloud, run, and back is
automagically handled.
What kinds of things might be similar in the clojure/java/scala world?
thanks.
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Re: If a Java function seems to never return, how do I test?
flush twice, oracle is far far away? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Ted Dziuba: The S in REST
The thought that came to my mind when reading it was something like, "Hasn't anybody heard of MVCC?" -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to do functional programming
> https://www.coursera.org/course/proglang cool. thanks for the pointer, i will have to find the time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to do functional programming
heck if you pay me U$D120 an hour, you can send me your code (as long as it isn't more than a single page at 10 pt font, with regular formatting ;-) and i'll tell ya how to do it more FPish (kidding.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to do functional programming
> https://tbaldridge.pivotshare.com/media/oop-lesson-1/28290 > I do not remember if the other tutorials (2,3 and 4) on OOP are free as > well… i did this one a while back as a refresher on my university stuff :-) https://www.coursera.org/course/progfun -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to do functional programming
> The way I like to think about FP vs OO is that OO usually couples state with > identity and the code that operates on both, while FP defines a clear > boundary between data, state, and the functions that operate on the data. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expression_problem > Designing a FP program often involves looking at the data first, then > thinking about what transformations that the data needs in order to become > what you want it to be. I like to think of functions as instructions about > how to transform that data. http://lists.racket-lang.org/users/archive/2010-April/038935.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: How to do functional programming
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=amit+clojure+book http://www.htdp.org/ http://realmofracket.com/about.html http://landoflisp.com http://book.realworldhaskell.org/ http://www.powells.com/biblio/9781617290657 etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Writing Friendlier Clojure
blah. "Whenever you notice this pattern, you can probably turn to one of the threading macros instead." that would fly in the face of being more declarative; when we start to put in explicit ordering, instead of leaving it as just relationships, that can be bad. of course it can also be good. even both at the same time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Puzzlement over closing core.async channels asynchronously
> Thanks for the rapid response! You could say that you put this in there as > an exercise for the viewer; I know that in discussing it amongst ourselves, > we definitely sharpened our understanding of some of the concepts. I guess I'd see it as an argument for static checking around concurrency, but that's just me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] sniper, emacs assistant for deleting dead code
> Inspired by YAGNI, I made this code analyzer and emacs assistant for > deleting dead code (and then used it to delete 10% of our codebase): oh, i thought the punch line was it was either going to delete you, or delete itself ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Advice on introducing a Java dev to Clojure
> and I need to be 10 times more productive. =) you mean, after your 2 week ramp-up time, right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: let vs. let*
My apologies (sincerely). Won't use that again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Writing REST api the right way
> That would apply to common actions like typing and entering. Login being > slower than that isn't likely to be as much of a bother as you likely only > do it infrequently, maybe as much as once a day if you're paranoid and clear > cookies nightly. Yeah, to me that is the sort of reasoning that leads in the long run to the kind of experiences we regularly have with the web: slow. Death of a thousand overheads of 250 msec cuts. $0.02. I know, I know, there are more important things for the engineers to fix right now, and for the forseeable future, I know! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Writing REST api the right way
> 350ms sounds fast enough for a low-frequency user interaction. In fact, once > login is fast enough not to annoy your users, you don't *want* any more > speed from it, as further speedup then only benefits blackhats trying to > brute-force one of your users' accounts. So, it might be a feature, not a > bug. Those seem like really weird statements to me. :-) a) I thought it was 250 msec as the upper abound for things feeling snappy. Tho others apparently say 100 msec or less. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/536300/what-is-the-shortest-perceivable-application-response-delay b) If anybody is relying on 350 msec vs. e.g. 100 msec as some grand solution to black hats brute forcing logins, I strongly suspect they are doing it very wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: let vs. let*
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re: functional == slow
at least, it often feels like that is the practical reality cf. clojure vs. java; f# vs. c#; haskell vs. c -- oh, wait a minute: http://www.cs.ru.nl/P.Achten/IFL2013/symposium_proceedings_IFL2013/ifl2013_submission_20.pdf -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why does the following Clojure code take 10x the time the C# version does? How to improve the Clojure version?
> I.e. your time is better spent optimizing a fn that's called 1k times per > second and it's a little slow (for example, missing a type hint and has to > do reflection or using boxed math) vs. a fn that's very slow but is only > called once a minute. not all apps, and not all developers, end up with code that has hot spots (ha ha). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: separation of concerns w/o encapsulation
> Once an engineer comes to grok FP, they tend to organize code around how > data 'flows' between these pure functions to produce output data. The > structure of how functions connect to form the structure of a functional > computation has typically been informal. Until now see Flow Based Programming, Dataflow, LabView, etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Why does the following Clojure code take 10x the time the C# version does? How to improve the Clojure version?
Ditto F# vs. C#. One has to wonder when / where / if functional-pure-immutable approaches will ever under the covers get "fast enough"? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What does ^:internal mean?
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Re: What does ^:internal mean?
even github gets it totally wrong, apparently? https://github.com/laurentpetit/ccw/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=%22^%3Ainternal%22&type=Code because, you know, it isn't as if github is mostly all about hosting *code*. such that, you know, you'd think they'd have realized by now this kind of feature is desirable / the current functionality is a huge lameness. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What is a real example of the Observer pattern?
Observer is often used in Java & iOS-Objective-C & Android-Java. As with any "eventing" kind of thing it is a very double-edged tool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: how goeth the STM experiment?
Thanks for the thoughts! If anybody also has any other STM experience (e.g. Haskell?) to compare/contrast, that would be nifty to hear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
how goeth the STM experiment?
hi, What do people think of STM after all these years? What pros vs. cons are there - has the community evolved the list of them? thanks for any thoughts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum
> Yes, Play has overtaken Lift, not because it is necessarily better, but > because TypeSafe are pouring marketing dollars into it, as part of their > drive to encourage Enterprise uptake of Scala. They have a vested interest in > Play being very successful as it will drive more business for them. of course, there are folks who say Typesafe wears no clothes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum
> Can you elaborate? Lift got it right or was a disaster? oh! good question, sorry :-) i believe it got it far more right than wrong. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure needs a web framework with more momentum
>> vulnerabilities that would not exist using an integrated framework. fwiw, web + security always makes me think of http://liftweb.net/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: I wrote a functional Lisp in Clojure. Come have a look
re: lux -- keen! also, check out http://shenlanguage.org/, it has a clojure target in the works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim
My goodness, there are other things than Clojure in the universe. People have been making "native" software with "real" languages for ages. There's probably even some that are fpish or heck go get an actual lisp that's been used for ever (franz, allegro, ecl, gambit, chicken, clozure, tinyscheme, etc.). Or an async or sync dataflow langauge. Or just lua. etc. etc. etc. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim
> Both Nim and Pixie ultimately compile to C, and would have just as many > layers of indirection. aand they are all insane for anything other than learning themselves at this point, i'd hazard to guess. but i'm a realist, who knows. i'd rather go for a real jvm e.g. azul's embedded stuff, or something like that first if at all possible. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim
all i'm trying to say is that the more layers of indirection you add, the more i won't give you any money on kickstarter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim
I just would guess that anything other than an embedded JVM would be... poor r.o.i., to be polite. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Embedded systems and transpiling Clojure to Nim
> Another possibility is https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme. It > compiles Clojure to Gambit Scheme to C to metal. another possibility is to stab oneself in the eye with a sharp stick. just sayin'. :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Zelkova: Elm-style FRP for Clojure and ClojureScript
i guess "big projects" at the bottom of http://elm-lang.org/Examples.elm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Zelkova: Elm-style FRP for Clojure and ClojureScript
> From what I understand it's conceptually not ready for anything other > than toy problems yet. Like Elm's restriction on static flow graphs. It's > like programming without 1st class functions, you don't get very far. I am not an Elm user, but I am on the mailing list :-) and I see real things happening, I guess. So I'm interested to hear more, learn more, eavesdrop more on any conversation that high-lights what you mean, how you see the limits. Like, would the Elm folks just disagree from the get-go since they've apparently made real things with it? sincerely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [ANN] silc - a tiny entity database for clojure (games)
> Actually, I would just use Long's. (MAX_VALUE = 9223372036854775807) https://www.google.com/search?q=youtube+gangnam+overflow -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: If code is data why do we use text editors?
> Code is data, and sometimes the best way to format that data for human > readability is sufficiently ad-hoc that no autoindent/pprinter could do a > fully general good job. +1 there should therefore be a region annotation that tells IDEs to leave it the hell alone when the user invokes "reindent the whole file" type commands :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: If code is data why do we use text editors?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intentional_programming -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: CCW bug [SEVERE]
> I remain wholly unconvinced that it's worth the hassle for a project this > small. personally i find your points persuasive; i hate going through that stuff when i just wanted to finish a feature or whatever. still, losing your code would suck a lot, and not having history can be a frustrating thing sometimes, i've experienced. i would hope that all developers already know and use some kind of familiar vcs, even if it is just rcs on the same hard disk; at least you get history then. the question to me is less "git or nothing" but "vcs or nothing" to which i hope all devs vote for vcs. if it is svn or a popular dvcs then you can probably get it hosted / backed up with a cloud repro easily for free somewhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: multimethod, record, type, and protocol pitfalls?
> Sure. But since Alan Kay is the guy who invented the term "object oriented", > I guess his definition should be, at least, considered. > It seems that nowadays that only Java is properly "object oriented". This is > far from true. i suspect you read my note as trying to pick a side. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: multimethod, record, type, and protocol pitfalls?
> Notice that he intentionally left "inheritance" out from that definition. there are more connotations of "object oriented" than there are quills on a porcupine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Critiques of "my-flatten" which uses CPS
> http://clojure.org/reducers i dare say the "When to use" part should not be at the bottom but come right after the otherwise laughably specious "yielding code that will get faster automatically as machines get more cores". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: An Averaging function
here are some related resources (books, videos). imbibe all of these and it might help. http://realmofracket.com/ http://landoflisp.com/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1023970 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure
> I've been on Java 8 on my development Mac for ages. The only thing holding > us back from going to Java 8 in production is New Relic don't yet support > it... > > We upgraded our entire stack to Java 7 back in October and I thought we were > late since Java 6 had been EOL'd for so long :) i'm on to 7 now at least. so now i can show my face at parties. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure
ugh, thanks. nice how i can just update it with app store. oh, wait?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [Request for Feedback] Clojure Lab: IDE for Clojure in Clojure
why does it require java 1.7? this newish mavericks macbook only has 1.6 so i would guess you've just made it hard for a lot of people to try this out? :-( -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Clojure: Clojure.contrib.sql: How do I update ALL the rows of a database table?
er, should the various pages be updated to say that they are all super deprecated now? e.g. things that turn up in google: http://dev.clojure.org/display/doc/Clojure+Contrib+Libraries On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > Clojure Contrib libraries are all deprecated and very out of date. > > For clojure.contrib.sql, you'll want to use clojure.java.jdbc instead. > Complete (community-maintained) documentation can be found here: > > http://clojure-doc.org/articles/ecosystem/java_jdbc/home.html > > Reference documentation can be found here: > > http://clojure.github.io/java.jdbc/ > > Sean > > On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:40 AM, June wrote: > > clojuredocs.org/clojure_contrib/clojure.contrib.sql/… How do I set the where > clause to 1=1? > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: deep thinking
> This is code Clojure programmers depend on to work. Are you suggesting > that it is easier to read this code than a few paragraphs of natural > language? > > I must say I really find it puzzling that there is so much > resistance to writing words. It's not that hard. if the code is so bad that it needs comments, then fix the freaking source code in the first place. ;-) ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Concurrently updating two structures
> I am just using this as a learning exercise, I do not need to be lectured > about how to write a game loop... I said obviously since that was my > original request, I am only asking to learn clojure a little better. I > could just drop into java and write a serial loop that does this really fast > but I don't care about that; also, telling me how something was done on an > 8-bit computer is about as relevant as explaining to me the intricate > biological reactions involved in elephant defecation. you're hired! :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Concurrently updating two structures
> update them one at a time. Obviously, I do not want to write something that > updates the enemies and, after the enemies are fully updated, the bullets > get updated. I need something that updates enemies while updating the > bullets, at the same time. Maybe a code example would help? er... i suspect you need to explain better... it doesn't make any sense to me what you are saying. you have to break out what you mean by updating, and why they "obviously" cannot be done sequentially. since, i suspect, that's how most all games have done it since the dawn of 8 bit cpus :-) no? i suspect you are saying you don't want enemies to step beyond a bullet or some such issue. but waving some magic concurrency pixie dust is not a solution, at least if you aren't able to explain how it *would* be a solution. generally in simple simulations you accept a certain finite time step that things jump. and you have to deal with that explicitly e.g. in your collision detection or whatever. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
> I like FSMs, but they do not compose well. some have argued for generative grammars that generate the fsm, because it is generally easier to compose grammars, and then generate the final fsm. iiuc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
> The thing is that our industry is based on layers upon layers of > abstractions, whether at the physical level (integrated circuits, > interfaces, etc.) or at the software level: binary (1GL) abstracted into > assembly (2GL), then C language (3GL), etc. Virtual machines is now another you maybe forgot microcode, too? ;-) ;-) yes, there are a lot of abstractions! i day-dream that it would be super keen if there were a way for us to have explicit models of them, including their leaks! and if those models where composable. and then if our tools could use those models to show us warnings and errors; to generate stress tests in a guided-randomized quickcheck style; etc. etc. etc. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
> some sort of FSM. Perhaps concurrency could be modeled using FSMs, but I do > not believe it is always a simple transition. http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~stevez/papers/LZ06b.pdf :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: shenandoah
> unreachable. The "normal" GC would then have a lot less to do, helping > achieve shorter pauses. i have long wondered a similar wonder. :-) (i also naively day-dream one could get the C# "IDisposing" style for free with something like that.) the BitC folks have talked about all sorts of things along these lines, including region inference stuff. there are even real research results to back it up! http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LyLsP0uBaywJ:researcher.ibm.com/files/us-bacon/Bacon03Pure.pdf+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk but i dunno that you should hold your breath waiting for this kind of stuff to become mainstream. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
> that closely match or can be massaged to match or 'have sympathy' for the > hardware realities. I think this can get lost when we stray too far. i wish this were somehow more modeled, composed, and controllable up in our ides and source code, rather than being esoteric tweaky options in the various inscrutable layers. i want a futuristic JIT that does this kind of stuff for me :-) :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
i am probably out of my depth here, i do not have extensive real-world experience with the various ways to approach parallelism and concurrency (to be distinguished of course), more run of the mill stuff. so if i sound like i'm missing your point or am clueless i ask for your patience :-) > What's the sequential fraction of an arbitrary erlang program, can you even > know (I don't know erlang, so I'm honestly asking)? who cares? or rather, each person has to only care about their own program & situation. maybe their stuff fits erlang. maybe it fits better with something else e.g. LMAX. it. all. depends. :-) everything depends on context. Martin's talk even included the part where he bemoaned that people don't just stay single-threaded and fix their crappy code first. running to concurrency and parallelism is often a cop-out the way i hear him. that could be seen as arguing 'against' erlang. so there are places where your program is mostly sequential and things like "does the GC act like a GIL" do not matter as much as the situation where you are trying to be more concurrent + parallel but not distributed. in those sequential situations, maybe erlang becomes a square peg for the round hole. (although i personally, through suffering as a maintenance programmer, am a *huge* lover of the recursive single assignment "turn" based approach to things, and i love clojure's idea of having a consistent view of the world; most OO people shoot me in the foot a year after they've left the company, with their crappy macaroni code.) > Shared memory pretty darn convenient, and we don't have hundred-core+ boxes > yet. i'm confused in that i thought you wrote shared memory ~= message passing. so why talk about shared memory when that is a lie? just like Martin said, RAM is a lie. why not realize everything is really message passing in the long run, model it as such, understand the issues as such? i do not have a chip on my shoulder about this, i'm just sounding it out / exploring the thought. sincerely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
>> cough cough erlang cough ahem > Care to elaborate? :-) "Now his point is that GC acts a super GIL which effectively kills all the hard work done on the language and application design level." erlang's approach to gc / sharing data / multi process / smp is i think an interesting sweet spot. there sure as heck is not a GIL effect by the GC. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: STM and persistent data structures performance on mutli-core archs
cough cough erlang cough ahem -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: shenandoah
(related: asteroids in cal, by way of haskell. http://s3.amazonaws.com/ns999/cal.html) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: shenandoah
> pure way or the mutate objects in place way? I can get great performance > with clojure, no doubt about it, by violating the shat out of functional > programming. I can not get great performance with the beautiful, pure, > composable, clojure that I desire! (personally i think this is a great topic, of great interest to me personally, and if one squints at it and forgets about the "game" aspect, is a very relevant thing in general in terms of defending, improving, being able to use "pure" approaches more often. i'm sure a lot of folks who have heard of fp and pure fp equate it with utterly bad performance, true or not.) depending on the structure of your system, clojure's transients might help. maybe. quite often in real games, there are explicit memory pools per game tick. sorta like the autorelease pools in objective-c, say. that's perhaps akin to region based memory management. (the BitC folks pondered and pontificated upon regions for a while, but i don't believe there's any "production quality" language that supports them yet.) in general, have there been closer-to-pure-than-mutating high performance apps written ever, in any programming language? and if so, how? could they have been done on a mobile device, or do they only work when you have 4GB of main RAM etc.? i've seen examples of "pure" asteroids in Haskell and CAL. J. Hague is one of the standard urls to paste into a discussion like this. http://prog21.dadgum.com/23.html. Would things like linear/affine/uniqueness types be a better approach? Personally I think/hope in the long run they would be, because they get us the ability to *safely mutate*. So far I think the only language which is remotely near to something one could use for production, along those lines, is ATS which compiles down to C/++. It might well be possible in Shen, that would be pretty exciting I think. sincerely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: shenandoah
> bazillion pure functions. I was wondering, would a GC like this one(or > Azul's) make a significant impact so that I, or others, could make games in > a more pure fashion? I WANT MY EFFIN PURITY! i'd rather have linear types or something like that, than some gc solution. :-) i mean, if i'm dreaming. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: is PG's "imperative outside-in" advice any good?
if a programming language doesn't have something like 'where', then i am sad. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4362328/haskell-where-vs-let -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [ANN] 美味しいClojure
an olide: http://www.starling-software.com/en/tsac.html. i went once when in town years back. it was fun. wish it were still going on. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: In what OS do you code?
> Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in > the Clojure community. er, wow. that's a bit of a leap, isn't it? -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: possible side-effect/problem in http://clojure.org/concurrent_programming
> But only one task was active at a time, although Executors was configured > with 4 threads. It occurred to me that map itself is lazy and it is realized > in doseq one at a time. A possible fix is to use for instead of map to > generate tasks almost makes me wish there were types (er, sorry, metadata) associated with functions that told us if they were single-threaded or not, so one could more quickly find such blocks. :-) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why the CLR languages fail?
> Be that as it may: if you work in a MS-centric company, shifting to JVM > clojure is iffy at best. OTOH, convincing people who've never used anything > except C# that there are alternatives worth considering is quite an uphill > battle. At least one friend over the years has gotten fed up at my > suggestions and sarcastically suggested doing everything in Prolog. so sad. F# is one of the best languages out there. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why aim for repeatability of specification / generative testing?
yes, a constant is weird. whenever i've implemented my own variant of this, i always use a seed from the clock or whatever, and then spit out the seed in test/assertion failure messages so people can paste it back in to reproduce. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Why aim for repeatability of specification / generative testing?
i always thought it was basically solely for letting you re-run the test that just/previously failed, nothing more weird or silly than that. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: "I don't feel the absence of a debugger, because I've learnt enough that I don't ever need a debugger."
for a long time haskell did not have a debugger. that sucked, imho. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
