Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Dave Sann]

How are you able to make the tooltips extend beyond the browser window. I 
have not seen this before.

Dave

On Saturday, 24 March 2012 21:15:20 UTC+11, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
> ready yet.
>
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html
>
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
>
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [1] http://code.drewwilson.com/entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
>
>

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

> I think a tool like you describe sounds like a fun hack to write but I don't 
> see how it has anything to do with the cheat sheet.

A tool that writes the code instead of you cannot be called a sheet
anymore. It's cheating in its *purest* form :) But I repeat: Don't get
excited too much. To make such a tool means to make your computer
think. So all we can do is to make a tool which help you to get over
the initial stages o learning clojure.

Maybe the very first implementation of this tool could just throw a
bunch of examples from http://clojuredocs.org/ at you...

Bost

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Alex Miller]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think the cheat sheet needs to be a 
queryable oracle for all Clojure information.  It's just a tool to jar your 
memory or browse for a function by category.  When I first started using 
Clojure I found it helpful to browse through sequence functions in 
particular.  I was inexperienced enough then to not even know how to ask 
the right questions to "query" a cheat sheet.  

I think a tool like you describe sounds like a fun hack to write but I 
don't see how it has anything to do with the cheat sheet.

Andy also mentions elsewhere on this thread that we should have multiple 
versions of the sheet on the web site and I disagree with that too.  imho 
we need a single link where people go - it's perfectly fine to have a 
library of other versions available at the underlying repo.


On Monday, March 26, 2012 4:07:20 PM UTC-5, Bost wrote:
>
> > if there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more 
> of a modular, queryable structure than it currently is.
>
> The key question is "Why do we need a cheatsheet"? Well, the learning
> curve is steep. I.e. there are things like [1] quite many functions
> and [2] they are hard to remember and [3] the REPL is by no means
> beginner friendly etc.
>
> What can be done about it ?
> We can reduce the amount of functions. I doubt this would work. Or we
> develop tools like this queryable cheatsheets with tooltips etc. Or...
> well, basically most of the time I personally have a problem like:
>
> I have [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9] and (a b c d). How do I make (:a [1 2] :b
> [4 5] } {:c [6 7] [:d {8 9}]) from it?
>
> I was thinking about a clojure function which applies some frequently
> used patterns (combinations of map, apply, into, assoc, vector, list
> etc.) on my input parameter and compares the result with the last
> parameter. And it prints the combination if they are equal or gives me
> the best nearest guess. I realized it's a job for a macro... something
> like discussed on
>
> http://www.learningclojure.com/2010/09/clojure-macro-tutorial-part-i-getting.html
>
> What do you think about that?
>
> Bost
>
>

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Chip Collier]

Hi,

> The key question is "Why do we need a cheatsheet"? Well, the learning
>

Speaking from personal experience as someone who writes Python for a
living. There are a lot of cases where I know that Clojure *could*
already have a function to do something but I don't know what it's
called. So I have to spend a lot of time looking at things and more or
less feeling around in the dark until I get a lead.
To give a concrete example: in Python there is a function `enumerate`
and in Clojure there is a function `map-indexed`. The cheatsheet was a
handy way to make this mental connection.


Cheers,
Chip



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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

> I have a repo called sente that is largely a blank slate. Would you be 
> interested in collaborating on this?

Yes I'm *definitely* interested but I doubt I'd gonna be much useful for you.

> If so let me know your github username and ill add you to the project.

Thank you but I think it brings more if we exchange our ideas and
patches here on the mailing list.

Bost

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Devin Walters]

I have a repo called sente that is largely a blank slate. Would you be 
interested in collaborating on this? If so let me know your github username and 
ill add you to the project.

Cheers,
'(Devin Walters)

On Mar 26, 2012, at 4:31 PM, Rostislav Svoboda  
wrote:

>> It's certainly a non-trivial problem
> 
> To solve this problem would mean 'to make computer think'. That's why
> I only mentioned 'frequently used patterns'. But it would be a great
> tool to help learn clojure.
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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

> It's certainly a non-trivial problem

To solve this problem would mean 'to make computer think'. That's why
I only mentioned 'frequently used patterns'. But it would be a great
tool to help learn clojure.

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Devin Walters]

This is basically exactly what I've been thinking about. 

I was going to get the cheatsheet into a place where I could use it easily so I 
could ask:

(sente [1 2 3])

Since [1 2 3] is a clojure.lang.PersistentVector, we could return functions 
that operate specifically on that type.

But the ideal case is exactly what you're saying, and what I've wanted to 
figure out for a long time. Kibit seems like a template for doing this sort of 
thing, but it will take a lot of training to get it to be useful. It's 
certainly a non-trivial problem. 

'(Devin Walters)


On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 4:07 PM, Rostislav Svoboda wrote:

> > if there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
> > modular, queryable structure than it currently is.
> 
> 
> The key question is "Why do we need a cheatsheet"? Well, the learning
> curve is steep. I.e. there are things like [1] quite many functions
> and [2] they are hard to remember and [3] the REPL is by no means
> beginner friendly etc.
> 
> What can be done about it ?
> We can reduce the amount of functions. I doubt this would work. Or we
> develop tools like this queryable cheatsheets with tooltips etc. Or...
> well, basically most of the time I personally have a problem like:
> 
> I have [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9] and (a b c d). How do I make (:a [1 2] :b
> [4 5] } {:c [6 7] [:d {8 9}]) from it?
> 
> I was thinking about a clojure function which applies some frequently
> used patterns (combinations of map, apply, into, assoc, vector, list
> etc.) on my input parameter and compares the result with the last
> parameter. And it prints the combination if they are equal or gives me
> the best nearest guess. I realized it's a job for a macro... something
> like discussed on
> http://www.learningclojure.com/2010/09/clojure-macro-tutorial-part-i-getting.html
> 
> What do you think about that?
> 
> Bost
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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

> if there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
> modular, queryable structure than it currently is.

The key question is "Why do we need a cheatsheet"? Well, the learning
curve is steep. I.e. there are things like [1] quite many functions
and [2] they are hard to remember and [3] the REPL is by no means
beginner friendly etc.

What can be done about it ?
We can reduce the amount of functions. I doubt this would work. Or we
develop tools like this queryable cheatsheets with tooltips etc. Or...
well, basically most of the time I personally have a problem like:

I have [1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9] and (a b c d). How do I make (:a [1 2] :b
[4 5] } {:c [6 7] [:d {8 9}]) from it?

I was thinking about a clojure function which applies some frequently
used patterns (combinations of map, apply, into, assoc, vector, list
etc.) on my input parameter and compares the result with the last
parameter. And it prints the combination if they are equal or gives me
the best nearest guess. I realized it's a job for a macro... something
like discussed on
http://www.learningclojure.com/2010/09/clojure-macro-tutorial-part-i-getting.html

What do you think about that?

Bost

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Devin Walters]

Ah, I was thinking the reverse: (clojure.string/split (name :foo->bar) #"->")  

But yes, you might be right. I guess the only thing I'd say is that the 
structure as it currently exists is sort of a bear. It just "feels" too big, 
like there's a more modular solution, but maybe it's not necessary?  

'(Devin Walters)


On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

> It might be straightforward to write a bit of Clojure code that takes the 
> first structure and transforms it into the second.  Discarding information 
> you don't want is usually easier than adding information that isn't there.
>  
> Strings could be manipulated to remove characters that are illegal in 
> keywords, and change spaces to dashes, and then call keyword on it, e.g.
>  
> user=> (keyword (str "primitives" "->" "numbers"))
> :primitives->numbers
>  
> Andy
>  
> On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Devin Walters wrote:
> > This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to discuss the structure of the 
> > cheatsheet.  
> >  
> > I would like to turn the cheatsheet into a more queryable document than it 
> > currently is and allow for it to be a dependency via clojars. 
> > cheatsheet-structure has a lot of the display logic for various output 
> > formats which doesn't seem relevant to simply getting information out of a 
> > specific section or subsection. It seems like the raw data should be 
> > separate from the display logic: for instance, instead of…
> >  
> > [:column
> >   [:box "green"
> >:section "Primitives"
> >:subsection "Numbers"
> >:table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
> >   ]
> > ]
> >  
> > It should be possible to have a simple map somewhere:
> >  
> > (def primitives
> >   {:primitives {:children [:numbers, :strings, …], :column? true},
> >:primitives->numbers {:title "Numbers", :children [:arithmetic, …], 
> > :box-color "blue"},
> >:numbers->arithmetic {:title "Arithmetic", :commands '[+ - …]}})
> >  
> > With a function that does something like:
> >  
> > (into-output-structure primitives) => [:column [:box "blue" :section 
> > "Primitives" :subsection "Numbers" :table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
> >  
> > Long story short, I've been staring at this for a bit, and I'm wondering if 
> > there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
> > modular, queryable structure than it currently is.  
> >  
> > Cheers,
> > '(Devin Walters)
> >  
> >  
> > On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 4:35 AM, mnicky wrote:
> >  
> > > Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
> > > http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)
> > >  
> > > On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> > > > I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on 
> > > > March 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use 
> > > > JavaScript, but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as 
> > > > it was yesterday.
> > > > [1] 
> > > > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> > > >  
> > > > (http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html)
> > > > [2] 
> > > > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
> > > >  
> > > > (http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-title-attribute.html)
> > > > The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, 
> > > > simplified so that the tips always appear above or below the link being 
> > > > tipped.  This made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within 
> > > > the bounds of the window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the 
> > > > tip can go out of the window boundaries is if your window is so narrow 
> > > > (< 600 pixels or so) that the tip doesn't fit in the width of the 
> > > > window at all, or too short vertically.
> > > > It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, 
> > > > and I have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
> > > > It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with 
> > > > touchscreens.  I don't know what could be done about that.  I did try 
> > > > it on Safari on my iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it 
> > > > showed the tooltip, and it required a second tap on the same link for 
> > > > the browser to follow the link.  I like that behavior.
> > > > Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
> > > > All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified 
> > > > jQuery TipTip plugin, are here:
> > > > https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets 
> > > > (https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets)
> > > > Andy
> > > >  
> > > > On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> > > > > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for 
> > 

Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Andy Fingerhut]

It might be straightforward to write a bit of Clojure code that takes the first 
structure and transforms it into the second.  Discarding information you don't 
want is usually easier than adding information that isn't there.

Strings could be manipulated to remove characters that are illegal in keywords, 
and change spaces to dashes, and then call keyword on it, e.g.

user=> (keyword (str "primitives" "->" "numbers"))
:primitives->numbers

Andy

On Mar 26, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Devin Walters wrote:

> This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to discuss the structure of the 
> cheatsheet.
> 
> I would like to turn the cheatsheet into a more queryable document than it 
> currently is and allow for it to be a dependency via clojars. 
> cheatsheet-structure has a lot of the display logic for various output 
> formats which doesn't seem relevant to simply getting information out of a 
> specific section or subsection. It seems like the raw data should be separate 
> from the display logic: for instance, instead of…
> 
> [:column
>   [:box "green"
>:section "Primitives"
>:subsection "Numbers"
>:table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
>   ]
> ]
> 
> It should be possible to have a simple map somewhere:
> 
> (def primitives
>   {:primitives {:children [:numbers, :strings, …], :column? true},
>:primitives->numbers {:title "Numbers", :children [:arithmetic, …], 
> :box-color "blue"},
>:numbers->arithmetic {:title "Arithmetic", :commands '[+ - …]}})
> 
> With a function that does something like:
> 
> (into-output-structure primitives) => [:column [:box "blue" :section 
> "Primitives" :subsection "Numbers" :table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
> 
> Long story short, I've been staring at this for a bit, and I'm wondering if 
> there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
> modular, queryable structure than it currently is.
> 
> Cheers,
> '(Devin Walters)
> 
> On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 4:35 AM, mnicky wrote:
> 
>> Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
>> http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)
>> 
>> On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on 
>>> March 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use 
>>> JavaScript, but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it 
>>> was yesterday.
>>> [1] 
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>>> 
>>> [2] 
>>> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
>>> 
>>> The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, 
>>> simplified so that the tips always appear above or below the link being 
>>> tipped.  This made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the 
>>> bounds of the window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can 
>>> go out of the window boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 
>>> pixels or so) that the tip doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, 
>>> or too short vertically.
>>> 
>>> It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and I 
>>> have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
>>> 
>>> It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens.  
>>> I don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my 
>>> iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, 
>>> and it required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the 
>>> link.  I like that behavior.
>>> 
>>> Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
>>> 
>>> All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
>>> TipTip plugin, are here:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>>> 
>>> > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
>>> > use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
>>> > ready yet.
>>> > 
>>> > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>>> > 
>>> > I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
>>> > ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where 
>>> > the cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings 
>>> > that may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are 
>>> > many cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it 
>>> > "flashes" on and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor 
>>> > away from the tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If 
>>> > anyone knows how to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript 
>>> > code or CSS settings, please let me know.
>>> > 

Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[mnicky]

just the first idea that came into my mind: maybe with something like RDF 
schema?

On Monday, March 26, 2012 8:47:54 PM UTC+2, Devin Walters (devn) wrote:
>
>  This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to discuss the structure of the 
> cheatsheet. 
>
> I would like to turn the cheatsheet into a more queryable document than it 
> currently is and allow for it to be a dependency via clojars. 
> cheatsheet-structure has a lot of the display logic for various output 
> formats which doesn't seem relevant to simply getting information out of a 
> specific section or subsection. It seems like the raw data should be 
> separate from the display logic: for instance, instead of…
>
> [:column
>   [:box "green"
>:section "Primitives"
>:subsection "Numbers"
>:table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
>   ]
> ]
>
> It should be possible to have a simple map somewhere:
>
> (def primitives
>   {:primitives {:children [:numbers, :strings, …], :column? true},
>:primitives->numbers {:title "Numbers", :children [:arithmetic, …], 
> :box-color "blue"},
>:numbers->arithmetic {:title "Arithmetic", :commands '[+ - …]}})
>
> With a function that does something like:
>
> (into-output-structure primitives) => [:column [:box "blue" :section 
> "Primitives" :subsection "Numbers" :table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
>
> Long story short, I've been staring at this for a bit, and I'm wondering 
> if there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
> modular, queryable structure than it currently is.
>
> Cheers,
> '(Devin Walters)
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 4:35 AM, mnicky wrote:
>
> Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
> http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)
>
> On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on 
> March 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use 
> JavaScript, but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it 
> was yesterday.
>
> [1] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>
> [2] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
>
> The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, 
> simplified so that the tips always appear above or below the link being 
> tipped.  This made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the 
> bounds of the window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can 
> go out of the window boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 
> pixels or so) that the tip doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, 
> or too short vertically.
>
> It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and 
> I have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
>
> It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens. 
>  I don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my 
> iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, 
> and it required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the 
> link.  I like that behavior.
>
> Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
>
> All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
> TipTip plugin, are here:
>
> https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for 
> experimental use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org-- it 
> ain't ready yet.
> > 
> > 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> > 
> > I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
> > 
> > The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is

Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Devin Walters]

This is slightly off-topic, but I wanted to discuss the structure of the 
cheatsheet.  

I would like to turn the cheatsheet into a more queryable document than it 
currently is and allow for it to be a dependency via clojars. 
cheatsheet-structure has a lot of the display logic for various output formats 
which doesn't seem relevant to simply getting information out of a specific 
section or subsection. It seems like the raw data should be separate from the 
display logic: for instance, instead of…

[:column
  [:box "green"
   :section "Primitives"
   :subsection "Numbers"
   :table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]
  ]
]

It should be possible to have a simple map somewhere:

(def primitives
  {:primitives {:children [:numbers, :strings, …], :column? true},
   :primitives->numbers {:title "Numbers", :children [:arithmetic, …], 
:box-color "blue"},
   :numbers->arithmetic {:title "Arithmetic", :commands '[+ - …]}})

With a function that does something like:

(into-output-structure primitives) => [:column [:box "blue" :section 
"Primitives" :subsection "Numbers" :table [["Arithmetic" :cmds '[+ - …]]]

Long story short, I've been staring at this for a bit, and I'm wondering if 
there are any strong feelings about how to make the cheatsheet more of a 
modular, queryable structure than it currently is.  

Cheers,
'(Devin Walters)


On Monday, March 26, 2012 at 4:35 AM, mnicky wrote:

> Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
> http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)
>  
> On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> > I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on 
> > March 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use 
> > JavaScript, but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it 
> > was yesterday.
> > [1] 
> > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> >  
> > (http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html)
> > [2] 
> > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
> >  
> > (http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-title-attribute.html)
> > The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, 
> > simplified so that the tips always appear above or below the link being 
> > tipped.  This made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the 
> > bounds of the window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can 
> > go out of the window boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 
> > pixels or so) that the tip doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, 
> > or too short vertically.
> > It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and I 
> > have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
> > It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens.  
> > I don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my 
> > iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, 
> > and it required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the 
> > link.  I like that behavior.
> > Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
> > All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
> > TipTip plugin, are here:
> > https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets 
> > (https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets)
> > Andy
> >  
> > On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> > > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> > > use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org 
> > > (http://clojure.org) -- it ain't ready yet.
> > >  
> > > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> > >  
> > > (http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html)
> > >  
> > > I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> > > ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where 
> > > the cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings 
> > > that may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are 
> > > many cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it 
> > > "flashes" on and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor 
> > > away from the tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If 
> > > anyone knows how to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript 
> > > code or CSS settings, please let me know.
> > >  
> > > The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> > > dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> > > that (very few are).  Most links go to cloju

Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Andy Fingerhut]

Yeah, it was cl-format and many others that were doing that.

I've fixed it via a quick method.  Every doc string line that was over 80 
characters is now wrapped, by itself, without attempting to detect or reflow 
entire paragraphs.

Andy

On Mar 26, 2012, at 2:35 AM, mnicky wrote:

> Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
> http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)
> 
> On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on March 
> 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use JavaScript, 
> but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it was yesterday.
> [1] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> 
> [2] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
> 
> The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, simplified 
> so that the tips always appear above or below the link being tipped.  This 
> made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the bounds of the 
> window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can go out of the 
> window boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 pixels or so) that 
> the tip doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, or too short 
> vertically.
> 
> It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and I 
> have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
> 
> It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens.  I 
> don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my 
> iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, and 
> it required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the link. 
>  I like that behavior.
> 
> Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
> 
> All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
> TipTip plugin, are here:
> 
> https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
> 
> > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> > use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
> > ready yet.
> > 
> > http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> > 
> > I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the ability 
> > to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the cursor 
> > is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that may 
> > cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many cases 
> > where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on and 
> > off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the tooltip, 
> > but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how to 
> > correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> > please let me know.
> > 
> > The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> > dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> > that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
> > 
> > Give it a test drive and see what you think.
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > [1] http://code.drewwilson.com/​entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[mnicky]

Seems that the text of cl-format overflows the right edge of the tooltip: 
http://i.imgur.com/B0ljt.png (tested in FF, Opera, Chrome)

On Monday, March 26, 2012 11:12:50 AM UTC+2, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on 
> March 24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use 
> JavaScript, but only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it 
> was yesterday.
>
> [1] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>
> [2] 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html
>
> The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, 
> simplified so that the tips always appear above or below the link being 
> tipped.  This made it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the 
> bounds of the window.  The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can 
> go out of the window boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 
> pixels or so) that the tip doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, 
> or too short vertically.
>
> It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and 
> I have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.
>
> It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens. 
>  I don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my 
> iPhone, and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, 
> and it required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the 
> link.  I like that behavior.
>
> Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.
>
> All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
> TipTip plugin, are here:
>
> https://github.com/​jafingerhut/clojure-​cheatsheets
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> > There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for 
> experimental use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org-- it 
> ain't ready yet.
> > 
> > 
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
> > 
> > I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
> > 
> > The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
> > 
> > Give it a test drive and see what you think.
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > [1] 
> > http://code.drewwilson.com/​entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
> > 
>

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Andy Fingerhut]

I've replaced this test page [1] with another one.  The one I posted on March 
24 has been overwritten.  The version at [2] that does not use JavaScript, but 
only the title attribute on anchors, is still there as it was yesterday.

[1] 
http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html

[2] 
http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-title-attribute.html

The new version of [1] uses different JavaScript for the tooltips, simplified 
so that the tips always appear above or below the link being tipped.  This made 
it easier to ensure the tip always appears within the bounds of the window.  
The only exceptions I am aware of where the tip can go out of the window 
boundaries is if your window is so narrow (< 600 pixels or so) that the tip 
doesn't fit in the width of the window at all, or too short vertically.

It should also eliminate the "bouncing" problem that the old one had, and I 
have made the tips completely opaque, not partially transparent.

It still probably won't work well with Android browsers with touchscreens.  I 
don't know what could be done about that.  I did try it on Safari on my iPhone, 
and found that on a single tap on a link, it showed the tooltip, and it 
required a second tap on the same link for the browser to follow the link.  I 
like that behavior.

Take it for another spin if you had issues with it before.

All necessary files to generate these pages, including my modified jQuery 
TipTip plugin, are here:

https://github.com/jafingerhut/clojure-cheatsheets

Andy


On Mar 24, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Andy Fingerhut wrote:

> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't ready 
> yet.
> 
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html
> 
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the ability 
> to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the cursor is 
> relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that may cause it 
> to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many cases where the 
> tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on and off quickly.  
> As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the tooltip, but still 
> hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how to correct those 
> problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, please let me know.
> 
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of dashes 
> removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than that (very 
> few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
> 
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> [1] http://code.drewwilson.com/entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
> 

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[mnicky]

On Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:41:29 PM UTC+2, Bost wrote:
>
> I personally find this one better:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-title-attribute.​html


Me too. It follows the KISS principle :)

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

I personally find this one better:
http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-title-attribute.html

The tooltips appear right at the place where I'm looking and pointing
my mouse, and they tend to appear always at the same place - below the
mouse and line I'm reading.

> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't ready 
> yet.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Philip Potter]

This looks great! Big usability win!

Phil

On 24 March 2012 10:15, Andy Fingerhut  wrote:
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't ready 
> yet.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html
>
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the ability 
> to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the cursor is 
> relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that may cause it 
> to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many cases where the 
> tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on and off quickly.  
> As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the tooltip, but still 
> hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how to correct those 
> problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, please let me know.
>
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of dashes 
> removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than that (very 
> few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [1] http://code.drewwilson.com/entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
>
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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Peter Buckley]

The tooltips work well on my BlackBerry, thanks!

-Original Message-
From: Rostislav Svoboda 
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Subject: Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

Hi Andy

On 24 March 2012 11:15, Andy Fingerhut  wrote:
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't ready 
> yet.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.

Slick! :)

I tested the tooltips on chrome, firefox and even on my android. On
chrome I find the tooltip boxes too transparent. On firefox the
transparency is fine but the tooltip font size is bigger than the
font-size used on the page (which IMO could be larger anyway) On the
android, well yea no tooltips appear :) so you need to do this back &
forth clicking as before. Interestingly when you go back then a
tooltip is placed behind the screen edges and it's kind of difficult
to get rid of it. The same appearance like reported here:

> The tooltips themselves seem pretty nice, but on smaller windows, they are
> sometimes placed behind the edges and thus not visible:
> http://i.imgur.com/YA4gF.png

Bost

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[Rostislav Svoboda]

Hi Andy

On 24 March 2012 11:15, Andy Fingerhut  wrote:
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't ready 
> yet.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/cheatsheet-full.html
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.

Slick! :)

I tested the tooltips on chrome, firefox and even on my android. On
chrome I find the tooltip boxes too transparent. On firefox the
transparency is fine but the tooltip font size is bigger than the
font-size used on the page (which IMO could be larger anyway) On the
android, well yea no tooltips appear :) so you need to do this back &
forth clicking as before. Interestingly when you go back then a
tooltip is placed behind the screen edges and it's kind of difficult
to get rid of it. The same appearance like reported here:

> The tooltips themselves seem pretty nice, but on smaller windows, they are
> sometimes placed behind the edges and thus not visible:
> http://i.imgur.com/YA4gF.png

Bost

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Re: Clojure cheatsheet with tooltips (alpha)

[mnicky]

The tooltips themselves seem pretty nice, but on smaller windows, they are 
sometimes placed behind the edges and thus not visible: 
http://i.imgur.com/YA4gF.png

On Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:15:20 AM UTC+1, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
> ready yet.
>
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
>
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [1] 
> http://code.drewwilson.com/​entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
>

On Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:15:20 AM UTC+1, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
> ready yet.
>
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
>
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [1] 
> http://code.drewwilson.com/​entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
>

On Saturday, March 24, 2012 11:15:20 AM UTC+1, Andy Fingerhut wrote:
>
> There are still some problems with this, but it is ready for experimental 
> use, at least.  Alex, please don't put this on clojure.org -- it ain't 
> ready yet.
>
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/​jafingerhut/files/cheatsheet-​clj-1.3.0-v1.4-tooltips/​cheatsheet-full.html
>
> I found and used TipTip for tooltips [1], because it advertises the 
> ability to keep the tooltips within the browser window no matter where the 
> cursor is relative to the window border.  I've tweaked a few settings that 
> may cause it to fail to do this properly sometimes, and there are many 
> cases where the tooltip appears so close to the cursor that it "flashes" on 
> and off quickly.  As a workaround, try moving the cursor away from the 
> tooltip, but still hovering over the link if you can.  If anyone knows how 
> to correct those problems by tweaking the JavaScript code or CSS settings, 
> please let me know.
>
> The tooltips consist of the normal doc strings, with the first line of 
> dashes removed, and truncated to the first 15 lines if it is longer than 
> that (very few are).  Most links go to clojuredocs.org, as usual.
>
> Give it a test drive and see what you think.
>
> Andy
>
>
> [1] 
> http://code.drewwilson.com/​entry/tiptip-jquery-plugin
>

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