Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-03-01 Thread Devin Walters
Have you checked out Http://hoplon.io?

'(Devin Walters)

> On Feb 28, 2014, at 12:55, Daniel  wrote:
> 
> Long story short.  You should be learning Pedestal, but the app component is 
> "on pause" at the moment.  My advice is to learn pedestal-service and Om. 
> When Pedestal-app gets going again, learning Om will have given you a good 
> context for transitioning to Pedestal 100%.
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-28 Thread Islon Scherer
If you are learning go with a simple approach (compojure + http-kit + 
hiccup for example). If you already know clojure I recommend going with 
some library that provide everything as data, specially the routes, as the 
function composition approach of compojure only gets you so far (been 
there).

On Friday, February 28, 2014 12:05:08 PM UTC+1, xavi wrote:
>
> I would recommend this combination of libraries:
>
> - Compojure
> - lib-noir
> - Enlive and Enfocus, for server-side and client-side templating 
> respectively (I've also used Hiccup, but I prefer Enlive/Enfocus because 
> with these, templates are pure HTML; I prefer them even for solo projects, 
> but I would especially recommend them if the HTML/CSS is going to be 
> written by people that don't necessarily know anything about 
> Clojure/ClojureScript).
> - CongoMongo, if you're using MongoDB as a database (there's also Monger, 
> but I don't have any experience with it)
>
> Some time ago I open-sourced a base web, with a complete authentication 
> system, that used these libraries. Maybe you'll find it useful
> https://github.com/xavi/noir-auth-app
>
> Cheers,
> Xavi
>
> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:57:07 AM UTC+1, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
>>
>> Om is well-suited to handle the UI-part for you. It doesn't do any 
>> server communication or forces you into any particular programming 
>> style or project layout. 
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Mark Engelberg 
>>  wrote: 
>> > As far as I can tell, neither luminus nor caribou are well-suited to 
>> > building, for example, interactive "web apps" like this web-based chat 
>> room 
>> > which serves as the "Hello World" for the Opa web framework: 
>> > https://github.com/MLstate/opalang/wiki/Hello%2C-chat 
>> > 
>> > Is this the kind of thing that Pedestal and Hoplon are meant for?  Or 
>> Om? 
>> > 
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-28 Thread xavi
I would recommend this combination of libraries:

- Compojure
- lib-noir
- Enlive and Enfocus, for server-side and client-side templating 
respectively (I've also used Hiccup, but I prefer Enlive/Enfocus because 
with these, templates are pure HTML; I prefer them even for solo projects, 
but I would especially recommend them if the HTML/CSS is going to be 
written by people that don't necessarily know anything about 
Clojure/ClojureScript).
- CongoMongo, if you're using MongoDB as a database (there's also Monger, 
but I don't have any experience with it)

Some time ago I open-sourced a base web, with a complete authentication 
system, that used these libraries. Maybe you'll find it useful
https://github.com/xavi/noir-auth-app

Cheers,
Xavi

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:57:07 AM UTC+1, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
>
> Om is well-suited to handle the UI-part for you. It doesn't do any 
> server communication or forces you into any particular programming 
> style or project layout. 
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Mark Engelberg 
> > wrote: 
> > As far as I can tell, neither luminus nor caribou are well-suited to 
> > building, for example, interactive "web apps" like this web-based chat 
> room 
> > which serves as the "Hello World" for the Opa web framework: 
> > https://github.com/MLstate/opalang/wiki/Hello%2C-chat 
> > 
> > Is this the kind of thing that Pedestal and Hoplon are meant for?  Or 
> Om? 
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Moritz Ulrich
Om is well-suited to handle the UI-part for you. It doesn't do any
server communication or forces you into any particular programming
style or project layout.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 2:35 AM, Mark Engelberg
 wrote:
> As far as I can tell, neither luminus nor caribou are well-suited to
> building, for example, interactive "web apps" like this web-based chat room
> which serves as the "Hello World" for the Opa web framework:
> https://github.com/MLstate/opalang/wiki/Hello%2C-chat
>
> Is this the kind of thing that Pedestal and Hoplon are meant for?  Or Om?
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Mark Engelberg
As far as I can tell, neither luminus nor caribou are well-suited to
building, for example, interactive "web apps" like this web-based chat room
which serves as the "Hello World" for the Opa web framework:
https://github.com/MLstate/opalang/wiki/Hello%2C-chat

Is this the kind of thing that Pedestal and Hoplon are meant for?  Or Om?

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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Chris Kuttruff
+1 to this... I've set up a basic site with these basic tools (jetty 
instead of http-kit for development simplicity with lein ring).  Couldn't 
be any simpler to get going, and it's really nice to have everything 
explicitly namespaced... you can just organize things how want.

Also, I would recommend checking out clj-sql-up if you'd like a nice, small 
library for doing database migrations.  There are certainly some other 
options out there in this dept, but I think clj-sql-up is the simplest 
possible implementation and still allows you the flexibility of dynamically 
generating sql strings with clojure (if you're using some other library to 
dynamically generate sql; would be easy to include and use with the 
migration files)
https://github.com/ckuttruff/clj-sql-up

Please let me know if you have any issues, but I think it should be pretty 
easy to use, and hopefully useful for your project.  


On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 12:29:44 PM UTC-8, Moritz Ulrich wrote:
>
> In addition to all the other message here please note, that it's very 
> helpful to build a site with just http-kit, hiccup and compojure, 
> which are all three independent components. This gives you the freedom 
> to structure your application however you like without getting in your 
> way like many frameworks. 
>
> It's also a good learning exercise as you learn how most Clojure 
> web-application stacks work. 
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Aravindh S 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > Hi All, 
> >I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I 
> > want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure 
> > where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which 
> framework 
> > does the community recommend? 
> > 
> > Thanks 
> > Aravindh.S 
> > 
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Moritz Ulrich
In addition to all the other message here please note, that it's very
helpful to build a site with just http-kit, hiccup and compojure,
which are all three independent components. This gives you the freedom
to structure your application however you like without getting in your
way like many frameworks.

It's also a good learning exercise as you learn how most Clojure
web-application stacks work.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Aravindh S  wrote:
> Hi All,
>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I
> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure
> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework
> does the community recommend?
>
> Thanks
> Aravindh.S
>
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Josh Kamau
If you are writting  blog-like application , check out caribou
http://caribou.github.io/caribou/docs/outline.html


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Curtis Gagliardi <
gagliardi.cur...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're interested in the url-generation and data-based routing, there
> are some Compojure competitors like Bidi which have those features without
> bringing on something as large as Pedestal: https://github.com/juxt/bidi(the 
> readme has a nice comparison chart).
>
> On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:57:18 PM UTC-8, Jan Herich wrote:
>>
>> It depends also on your requirements. For example if you want your app to
>> work in many
>> deployment scenarios (standalone Jetty  or Tomcat, J2EE web
>> containers...) and you may
>> have to use servlet 3.0 API asynchronous features, nothing beats pedestal
>> currently.
>>
>> The concept of interceptors is little harder to grok then simple ring
>> handlers (which are reused
>> to the greatest possible extent anyway), but they really make sense and
>> truly decomplect
>> execution order, unlike traditional ring wrapping handlers.
>>
>> The routing systems is also more transparent (data based) then Compojure
>> macro routing
>> and the url generation facility is nice.
>>
>> Sometimes i hear people say that pedestal is "unclojurish" and complex,
>> but i think they
>> just don't get the difference between complex and easy. Overall, i think
>> that pedestal
>> represents core clojure philosophy better then any other clojure server
>> side framework.
>>
>> Dňa streda, 26. februára 2014 2:13:30 UTC+1 Aravindh S napísal(-a):
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I
>>> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure
>>> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework
>>> does the community recommend?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Aravindh.S
>>>
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-26 Thread Curtis Gagliardi
If you're interested in the url-generation and data-based routing, there 
are some Compojure competitors like Bidi which have those features without 
bringing on something as large as Pedestal: https://github.com/juxt/bidi 
(the readme has a nice comparison chart). 

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:57:18 PM UTC-8, Jan Herich wrote:
>
> It depends also on your requirements. For example if you want your app to 
> work in many 
> deployment scenarios (standalone Jetty  or Tomcat, J2EE web containers...) 
> and you may 
> have to use servlet 3.0 API asynchronous features, nothing beats pedestal 
> currently.
>
> The concept of interceptors is little harder to grok then simple ring 
> handlers (which are reused
> to the greatest possible extent anyway), but they really make sense and 
> truly decomplect
> execution order, unlike traditional ring wrapping handlers.
>
> The routing systems is also more transparent (data based) then Compojure 
> macro routing
> and the url generation facility is nice.
>
> Sometimes i hear people say that pedestal is "unclojurish" and complex, 
> but i think they
> just don't get the difference between complex and easy. Overall, i think 
> that pedestal 
> represents core clojure philosophy better then any other clojure server 
> side framework.
>
> Dňa streda, 26. februára 2014 2:13:30 UTC+1 Aravindh S napísal(-a):
>>
>> Hi All,
>>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I 
>> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure 
>> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework 
>> does the community recommend? 
>>
>> Thanks
>> Aravindh.S
>>
>

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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-25 Thread Jan Herich
It depends also on your requirements. For example if you want your app to 
work in many 
deployment scenarios (standalone Jetty  or Tomcat, J2EE web containers...) 
and you may 
have to use servlet 3.0 API asynchronous features, nothing beats pedestal 
currently.

The concept of interceptors is little harder to grok then simple ring 
handlers (which are reused
to the greatest possible extent anyway), but they really make sense and 
truly decomplect
execution order, unlike traditional ring wrapping handlers.

The routing systems is also more transparent (data based) then Compojure 
macro routing
and the url generation facility is nice.

Sometimes i hear people say that pedestal is "unclojurish" and complex, but 
i think they
just don't get the difference between complex and easy. Overall, i think 
that pedestal 
represents core clojure philosophy better then any other clojure server 
side framework.

Dňa streda, 26. februára 2014 2:13:30 UTC+1 Aravindh S napísal(-a):
>
> Hi All,
>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I 
> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure 
> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework 
> does the community recommend? 
>
> Thanks
> Aravindh.S
>

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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-25 Thread The Dude (Abides)
I would also recommend Luminus as a user friendly start you can generate a 
new project with Selmer for views (Django style), authentication, 
migrations and db persistence out the gate with either mysql, postgres, 
mongo (or H2 as default if you select neither) and Korma as db dsl.

It will give you good understanding of how the moving parts work together 
and the docs are really good.

http://www.luminusweb.net/docs/profiles.md  - to see how to create a 
project with the tools you want

To generate a site with postgres for example:

lein new luminus myapp +site +postgres
Then to fire up the app server:

lein ring server

And you'll see the project in your browser to start experimenting with the 
plumbing. 

The home page will instruct you how to run the migrations as your first step. 

I found it to be an excellent entry to Clojure web dev, mixing in and trying 
different libraries.


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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-25 Thread JPH
On 02/26/2014 09:13 AM, Aravindh S wrote:
> Hi All,
>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I 
> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure 
> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework 
> does the community recommend? 
>
> Thanks
> Aravindh.S
>
I recommend Luminus (www.luminusweb.net), which is an opinionated mix of
popular clojure libraries.

I also wrote a post as a kind of overview of the various Clojure web
components
(https://hackworth.be/2013/12/10/navigating-clojure-web-stack/). That
was written back when I'd first started with Clojure and trying to
understand how all the pieces fit together, compared to my experiences
with Ruby.

Hope that helps,
JPH

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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-25 Thread Gary Trakhman
Luminus is a batteries-included leiningen project template that includes
compojure and other things to get started.

http://www.luminusweb.net/




On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:18 PM, haosdent  wrote:

> Maybe you could try compojure.
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>> Hi All,
>>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I
>> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure
>> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework
>> does the community recommend?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Aravindh.S
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Re: Latest web framework for clojure

2014-02-25 Thread haosdent
Maybe you could try compojure.


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>I have been reading clojure for sometime now. I am at a point where I
> want to learn a web framework. I see many options available for clojure
> where few are built upon others. So if I am to learn one, which framework
> does the community recommend?
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