Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Russ & Melody]

Hi Steve,

In the quest for speed it means constantly trying to improve power to 
weight ratio as well as lowering drag, maintaining sail shape, etc.


AG, a vintage 1981 45 from the custom yard has aluminium chainplates 
and chainplate bolts, but here's the best part... the chainplate 
bolts are drilled hollow to save weight! This is below-decks weight savings.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 12:40 PM 04/12/2013, you wrote:

 Never knew that they had used aluminum bolts. Certainly something 
to watch out for. I can't imagine wanting aluminum bolts on

anything that doesn't fly. Bound to cause trouble eventually.

The shroud tang through bolt at the spreaders on my boat is stainless.

Steve Thomas
1978 C&C27 MKIII


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Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
(through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
bolts were almost completely cut through.



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Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

[John Russo]

Interesting – My 10 P measures 4” Dia and 3-1/2 in high. Weird! 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent 
Driedger
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

Hi John. That's exactly the dimensions. It's a 10P. I'll try to send a picture. 
The cracked one is in my workshop but the good one is tucked away on my boat 
for the winter. It feels like aluminium

 

Brent. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:43 PM, John Russo  wrote:

Brent the 22’s are two speed and now I will probably not get them off the boat 
until spring and am sort of contemplating their use for the spinnaker. Won’t 
know for a bit . Does your good #10 measure 4-3/8” Diameter  at the Drum base 
and 3-3/4 ‘ high? A quick peek under the base should tell you the material or I 
could look up the weight to try to determine it.

John  

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent 
Driedger
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

John, the Barient 22s have got my attention. My mkV came with 18s and I find 
them slightly under powered when I'm in the "should be putting up the 100" 
zone. I happen to have a couple of Barient 10s sitting around that I was going 
to add to the cabin top arrangement. One unfortunately has a crack in the 
uppermost portion but the other is perfect. They are 1984 black ones of 
whatever Dwarfian material they are made of. Let me know what you want for the 
22s. 

Are they 2 speed?

 

Brent Driedger

C&C 27-V

Frozen Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo  wrote:

Paul,

 

Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space 
available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will soon 
have a couple of Barient 22’s on my hands that I am replacing with Lewmar ST 40 
EVO winches.

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always better :)


On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote:

I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the 
mainsheet winch on my 1984 C&C 32 located on my cabin top port side. I intend 
to use the 2nd winch  on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler. I had a 
2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is for 
multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my main 
halyard , outhaul, and Vang.

 

The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 4&3/8 at the base and is 
3&3/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984 -32 
spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10’s listed 
but none with the above dimensions or AL.

 

Any suggestions as to where I can find one?

 

Thanks 

 

John

Arpeggio

Norwalk CT 








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Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

[Brent Driedger]

Hi John. That's exactly the dimensions. It's a 10P. I'll try to send a picture. 
The cracked one is in my workshop but the good one is tucked away on my boat 
for the winter. It feels like aluminium

Brent. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:43 PM, John Russo  wrote:
> 
> Brent the 22’s are two speed and now I will probably not get them off the 
> boat until spring and am sort of contemplating their use for the spinnaker. 
> Won’t know for a bit . Does your good #10 measure 4-3/8” Diameter  at the 
> Drum base and 3-3/4 ‘ high? A quick peek under the base should tell you the 
> material or I could look up the weight to try to determine it.
> John  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent 
> Driedger
> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch
>  
> John, the Barient 22s have got my attention. My mkV came with 18s and I find 
> them slightly under powered when I'm in the "should be putting up the 100" 
> zone. I happen to have a couple of Barient 10s sitting around that I was 
> going to add to the cabin top arrangement. One unfortunately has a crack in 
> the uppermost portion but the other is perfect. They are 1984 black ones of 
> whatever Dwarfian material they are made of. Let me know what you want for 
> the 22s. 
> Are they 2 speed?
>  
> Brent Driedger
> C&C 27-V
> Frozen Lake Winnipeg. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo  wrote:
> 
> Paul,
>  
> Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space 
> available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will soon 
> have a couple of Barient 22’s on my hands that I am replacing with Lewmar ST 
> 40 EVO winches.
>  
> John
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch
>  
> I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always better 
> :)
> 
> 
> On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote:
> I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the 
> mainsheet winch on my 1984 C&C 32 located on my cabin top port side. I intend 
> to use the 2nd winch  on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler. I had a 
> 2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is for 
> multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my main 
> halyard , outhaul, and Vang.
>  
> The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 4&3/8 at the base and is 
> 3&3/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984 
> -32 spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10’s 
> listed but none with the above dimensions or AL.
>  
> Any suggestions as to where I can find one?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> John
> Arpeggio
> Norwalk CT
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

[John Russo]

Brent the 22’s are two speed and now I will probably not get them off the boat 
until spring and am sort of contemplating their use for the spinnaker. Won’t 
know for a bit . Does your good #10 measure 4-3/8” Diameter  at the Drum base 
and 3-3/4 ‘ high? A quick peek under the base should tell you the material or I 
could look up the weight to try to determine it.

John  

 

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Driedger
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

John, the Barient 22s have got my attention. My mkV came with 18s and I find 
them slightly under powered when I'm in the "should be putting up the 100" 
zone. I happen to have a couple of Barient 10s sitting around that I was going 
to add to the cabin top arrangement. One unfortunately has a crack in the 
uppermost portion but the other is perfect. They are 1984 black ones of 
whatever Dwarfian material they are made of. Let me know what you want for the 
22s. 

Are they 2 speed?

 

Brent Driedger

C&C 27-V

Frozen Lake Winnipeg. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo  wrote:

Paul,

 

Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space 
available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will soon 
have a couple of Barient 22’s on my hands that I am replacing with Lewmar ST 40 
EVO winches.

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul Baker
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always better :)


On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote:

I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the 
mainsheet winch on my 1984 C&C 32 located on my cabin top port side. I intend 
to use the 2nd winch  on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler. I had a 
2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is for 
multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my main 
halyard , outhaul, and Vang.

 

The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 4&3/8 at the base and is 
3&3/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984 -32 
spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10’s listed 
but none with the above dimensions or AL.

 

Any suggestions as to where I can find one?

 

Thanks 

 

John

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Re: Stus-List [SPAM]Re: Barient# 10 winch

[John Russo]

Paul,

 

Thanks for the heads up. If they are in Good condition as they appear in the
photo I would be interested if the Drum diameter at the bottom measures
4-5/8" and the overall height is 3-3/4" . I only need one and am trying to
match what I presently have on the port cabin top. I find that the Barient
#10 came in many different sizes not counting the 10P which is the smallest
of the bunch.

 

Thanks in advance for your efforts in my behalf.

 

John 

 

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Baker
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [SPAM]Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

Hi John,
I saw these on our local listings,
http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/barient-10-winch-pair_21171681 ,
I'm going to see the guy on Friday for some other parts, want me to take a
look at these for you?  For $80 it might be worth a punt although I have no
idea how much it would cost to ship them to you.
Cheers,
Paul.




On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo  wrote:

Paul,

 

Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space
available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will
soon have a couple of Barient 22's on my hands that I am replacing with
Lewmar ST 40 EVO winches.

 

John

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Baker
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

 

I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always
better :)


On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote:

I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the
mainsheet winch on my 1984 C&C 32 located on my cabin top port side. I
intend to use the 2nd winch  on the starboard cabin top aft of the traveler.
I had a 2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the job. It is
for multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple clutch for my
main halyard , outhaul, and Vang.

 

The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 4&3/8 at the base and is
3&3/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the 1984
-32 spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some #10's
listed but none with the above dimensions or AL.

 

Any suggestions as to where I can find one?

 

Thanks 

 

John

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Re: Stus-List Running south

[Curtis]

I too live in Beaufort. Look me up next time thru I buy you a drink.



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> with little trauma.
> I highly recommend finding other C&C-ers in the area you're transiting. I
> got to have a very pleasant few drinks and a highly illuminating
> conversation with Rick Brass in Beaufort while we stopped overnight.
>  I'm looking forward to sailing with you in my neck of the woods one day,
> Rick.
>
> Andy
> C&C 40
> Peregrine
>
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Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm

[Curtis]

I do Ron, When sailing alone and the wind is picking up.A bit trying to
reef with stronger winds.
But then this is only my second season on the water.


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Don Wagner  wrote:

>   I owned a C&C 30 mk 1 for about 13 years, and raced her from about 1973
> to 1986. I  also found that it was a very stiff boat and rarely had to reef
> and only occasionally had to fly a # 2 headsail.
> In those days, we all raced with a 170% genoa, since the boats were
> designed for the CCA rule, and PHRF had not yet dictated 155 % for the
> norm. Later I downsized to the 155%, and got the appropriate rating
> improvement.
>
> Two things that have not been mentioned, that will affect the weather helm
> are:
> If your 30 MK 1 has a wheel instead of a tiller, it will have more
> weather helm, due to the extra weight in the stern.
> The rig was very stiff, but I managed to put some pre-bend in the rig,
> by: moving the mast step aft (inside the cabin) , and shiming the mast
> forward at the deck  partners,and cranking on the backstay. The net effect
> was to bend the mast a little bit, and move the center of effort forward.
>
> Typically the helm was well balanced over a wide range of wind speeds.
>
> Just some thoughts from and old 30 MK 1 owner.
>
> Don Wagner
> Red Baron
> C&C 30 MK1
> 1973 hull # 100
>
> Now owner of:
> Der Baron
> C&C 41 CB
> 1986 hull # 93
>
>
>
>
>  *From:* Ronald B. Frerker 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:19 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
>  I seem to be in the slot Curtis describes.  I've never reefed under 20kt.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
>
>
>
>  On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:09 AM, Curtis 
> wrote:
> yea i'm with Ddwight on this one,
> My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots.
> I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop
> down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in
> around 18-22 knots.
> I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when
> tacking. that was my fault. not the boat.
>
> 1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675
>
> Beaufort, Sc.
>
>
>
> On 11/26/13, dwight  wrote:
> > I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on your
> > mast
> >
> >
> >
> >  _
> >
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
> > Rouhi
> > Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
> >
> >
> >
> > MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I
> generally
> > reef in anything above 10 knots...
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Aaron R.
> >
> > Admiral Maggie,
> >
> > 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
> >
> > Annapolis, MD
> >
> >
> >
> >  _
> >
> > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400
> > From: dwight...@gmail.com
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
> >
> > The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here:
> > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
> >
> > I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different C&C
> 30
> > designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an effect
> > on
> > heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to
> > outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect the
> > MKI
> > to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a
> higher
> > rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative
> stiffnesses
> > of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher
> > afternoon breezes the MKI rules
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dwight Veinot
> >
> > Alianna
> > C&C 35 MKII
> >
> > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman 
> wrote:
> >
> > Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all
> getting
> > new, deeper rudders.  The swept back keels didn't / don't help.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Coleman
> >
> > C&C 39 animated_favicon1
> >
> >
> >
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> dwight
> > veinot
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other
> > advantages
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dwight Veinot
> >
> > Alianna
> > C&C 35 MKII
> >
> > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher 
> > wrote:
> >
> > My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side.
> Weather
> > helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never.  I could bury the rail
> deep
> > and just keep plowing along.
> > My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much
> > sail
> > up and not enough tension on the backstay.  Too much heel and it gets
> > scary.
> >
> > All that being said im still learning on my MKII
> >
> >
> > 

Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm

[Don Wagner]

I owned a C&C 30 mk 1 for about 13 years, and raced her from about 1973 to 
1986. I  also found that it was a very stiff boat and rarely had to reef and 
only occasionally had to fly a # 2 headsail.
In those days, we all raced with a 170% genoa, since the boats were designed 
for the CCA rule, and PHRF had not yet dictated 155 % for the norm. Later I 
downsized to the 155%, and got the appropriate rating improvement.

Two things that have not been mentioned, that will affect the weather helm are:
If your 30 MK 1 has a wheel instead of a tiller, it will have more weather 
helm, due to the extra weight in the stern.
The rig was very stiff, but I managed to put some pre-bend in the rig, by: 
moving the mast step aft (inside the cabin) , and shiming the mast forward at 
the deck  partners,and cranking on the backstay. The net effect was to bend the 
mast a little bit, and move the center of effort forward.

Typically the helm was well balanced over a wide range of wind speeds.

Just some thoughts from and old 30 MK 1 owner.

Don Wagner
Red Baron 
C&C 30 MK1
1973 hull # 100

Now owner of: 
Der Baron
C&C 41 CB
1986 hull # 93




From: Ronald B. Frerker 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm

I seem to be in the slot Curtis describes.  I've never reefed under 20kt.
Ron
Wild Cheri





On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:09 AM, Curtis  wrote:

yea i'm with Ddwight on this one,
My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots.
I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop
down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in
around 18-22 knots.
I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when
tacking. that was my fault. not the boat.

1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675

Beaufort, Sc.



On 11/26/13, dwight  wrote:
> I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on your
> mast
>
>
>
>  _
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
> Rouhi
> Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
>
>
> MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I generally
> reef in anything above 10 knots...
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron R.
>
> Admiral Maggie,
>
> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
>
> Annapolis, MD
>
>
>
>  _
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400
> From: dwight...@gmail.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
> The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
>
> I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different C&C 30
> designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an effect
> on
> heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to
> outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect the
> MKI
> to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a higher
> rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative stiffnesses
> of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher
> afternoon breezes the MKI rules
>
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> Alianna
> C&C 35 MKII
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
>
> Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all getting
> new, deeper rudders.  The swept back keels didn't / don't help.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 animated_favicon1
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
> veinot
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
>
>
> I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other
> advantages
>
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> Alianna
> C&C 35 MKII
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher 
> wrote:
>
> My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. Weather
> helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never.  I could bury the rail deep
> and just keep plowing along.
> My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much
> sail
> up and not enough tension on the backstay.  Too much heel and it gets
> scary.
>
> All that being said im still learning on my MKII
>
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Stus-List Running south

[Andrew Burton]

For anyone who,s interested, I made it to Ft Lauderdale safe and sound with 
little trauma. 
I highly recommend finding other C&C-ers in the area you're transiting. I got 
to have a very pleasant few drinks and a highly illuminating conversation with 
Rick Brass in Beaufort while we stopped overnight.
 I'm looking forward to sailing with you in my neck of the woods one day, Rick.

Andy
C&C 40
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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Marek Dziedzic]

This may depend on the broker, but when I bought my previous boat (some 8
years ago), the broker did not collect any taxes (only his fee, but this was
from the owner), but he informed me to pay the sales tax.

The government will certainly get you the moment you license the boat (and
you have to do that if you have anything with 10HP or more).

Btw. I find that lately CRA is reasonable if you talk to them. The letter
is, probably, a "letter #5", so it has to sound very formal and heartless.

And if you want to look at it positively, consider it a two-years loan from
the government.

Good luck

Marek (in Ottawa)
PS. As a full disclosure, I work for the government (federal, not
provincial, so this tax would not benefit me directly) (:-)
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Stus-List halyards again( 10 aloft = 1 on the rail )

[Robert Abbott]

Rick:

I am confident I can speak for other listers here to thank you for 
taking the time to provide such pertinent and informative posts. It 
takes time to do what you do and I for one appreciate it. Again, thank you.


Now regarding the cooler full of ice and beer on deck, I'd go sailing 
with you any day.  One wrong tack can negate any less weight aloft or on 
the rail!


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/12/03 5:58 PM, Rick Brass wrote:


Mark;

You are probably close in your surmise that the rail meat is very 
close to being directly over the center of mass of the boat when it 
reaches 63 degrees of heel. However, there is still a righting moment, 
though the moment arm is getting short.


As it heels, the boat rotates around the center of buoyancy, not the 
center of mass. The center of buoyancy is above the center of mass 
(the closer they are when the mast is vertical, the more tender the 
boat. If the center of mass were above the center of buoyancy, the 
boat would turn turtle at the slightest provocation.) and the center 
of buoyancy moves to leeward as the boat heels because of the form 
stability of the hull. In more modern hulls than ours, with relatively 
flat bottoms and wide turn of the bilge carried from max beam to well 
aft, generate a lot of form stability. Hence the center of buoyancy 
moves quite a bit to leeward as the boat heels, while the center of 
mass moves some amount to windward. It is the lateral offset between 
centers of mass and buoyancy that provide resistance to heeling.


Paul;

I agree with your calculations, except that the length of the moment 
arms for the rail meat and the weight aloft need to be adjusted 
slightly to account for the leeward movement of the center of 
buoyancy. Add a few inches to the righting arm of the rail meat, and 
subtract the same number of inches from righting arm of the weight 
aloft. So at 20 degrees of heel, the 10 pounds aloft might have the 
same effect as 38 or 39 pounds on the rail.


Now I've not looked into purchasing any high tech halyards for my 38. 
What I have (7/16 Cajun XLE) is large enough in diameter to have a 
good hand and to not creep in the rope clutch. I have a Barient 27 
halyard winch to preload luff of the main to 500 pounds or so and take 
up the stretch in the line when the wind is strong, and I really don't 
want to put much more load than that on the 3/16ths or ¼ inch Dacron 
cord that reinforces the luff of the main. If I trim the vang and the 
traveler right the load on the main from a gust of wind isn't going to 
change by all that much to generate more than an inch or two of 
additional, transitory stretch in the halyard.


But I have recently purchased floating, high tech spin sheets. They 
needed to be about the same diameter as the old sheets in order to 
have acceptable hand and work on the winch drums. My floating lines 
are way stronger than they need to be, and consequently have no 
stretch (which, unfortunately, you kind of want in spin sheets). What 
I found is that the high tech, floating line was more than twice as 
strong as the old sheets, but only about 4 pounds lighter for 100 feet 
of line.


So the saving for my main halyard would be around 2 pounds. If I went 
from 7/16ths XLE double braid to 3/8ths Spectra core the strength 
doubles, the stretch goes from 12 " (@ 1300 pounds of load) to about 
3", the halyard costs about $60 more, and the weight savings is about 
3 pounds. The way I sail, I don't see that much value.


In my experience the racers who salivate over decreasing weight aloft 
tend to be the same guys who have toothbrushes with the handle cut 
short, and who leave the seat cushions, locker covers, power cord, and 
all the beer and ice at the dock in order to save weight. Not that I 
think they are wrong, it's just that we have a different perspective 
than I do.


Maybe I should think about keeping a cooler full of ice and beer on 
deck, so it can be moved to the high side of the boat to offset the 
extra weight of halyards aloft. Now there's an idea that should make 
the crew happy.


Rick Brass




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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Tim Goodyear]

How much does Kevin want for the new rigging?

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3
Branford, CT


> On Dec 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, "David Jacobs"  wrote:
> 
> Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
> just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
> me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
> (through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
> SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
> aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
> bolts were almost completely cut through.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
> Bryant
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards
> 
> Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders because
> a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them quiet.  The
> wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and I'm pretty sure
> that weld has structural value.  
> 
> 
> Jimmy Kelly wrote:
>> however wire  still appears to do the job.best
> 
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Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm

[Ronald B. Frerker]

I seem to be in the slot Curtis describes.  I've never reefed under 20kt.
Ron
Wild Cheri




On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:09 AM, Curtis  wrote:
 
yea i'm with Ddwight on this one,
My C&C30 mk1 # 675 loves 11 thru17 knots.
I dont start thinking of a reef till i'm over 17 knots. I usley drop
down to the working 115% first. If needed I will put the 1st Reef in
around 18-22 knots.
I have hade some uncontroled steering falling off the wind when
tacking. that was my fault. not the boat.

1981 C&C 30 MK1 #675

Beaufort, Sc.



On 11/26/13, dwight  wrote:
> I don't think you should have to reef that soon.what is the rake on your
> mast
>
>
>
>   _
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
> Rouhi
> Sent: November 26, 2013 7:31 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
>
>
> MK1 is stiff for sure but I just wish I had less weather helm. I generally
> reef in anything above 10 knots...
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aaron R.
>
> Admiral Maggie,
>
> 1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540
>
> Annapolis, MD
>
>
>
>   _
>
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:46:07 -0400
> From: dwight...@gmail.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
> The 30 MKI is just a much stiffer boat than the 30 MKII; see here:
> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
>
> I believe that makes a huge difference in how these 2 very different C&C 30
> designs perform going to weather, I believe this definitely has an effect
> on
> heel angle and propensity to round up...I would expect the 30 MKII to
> outperform the 30 MKI in light air but in heavier air I would expect the
> MKI
> to outperform the MKII, even given that in most areas the MKII has a higher
> rated speed potential and I believ that is due to the relative stiffnesses
> of the boats...here on St. Margaret's Bay where we have mostly fresher
> afternoon breezes the MKI rules
>
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> Alianna
> C&C 35 MKII
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Bill Coleman  wrote:
>
> Around the late 70's and early eighties the 20's and 39's were all getting
> new, deeper rudders.  The swept back keels didn't / don't help.
>
>
>
> Bill Coleman
>
> C&C 39 animated_favicon1
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
> veinot
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:48 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List 30 MKI weather helm
>
>
>
> I don't think it will ever sail as good as the MKI but there are other
> advantages
>
>
>
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> Alianna
> C&C 35 MKII
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Robert Gallagher 
> wrote:
>
> My 30MKI had the mast raked back and the rigging on the tight side. Weather
> helm yes, it could be a bear. Round ups never.  I could bury the rail deep
> and just keep plowing along.
> My 30MKII's rudder will stall then round up out of control with to much
> sail
> up and not enough tension on the backstay.  Too much heel and it gets
> scary.
>
> All that being said im still learning on my MKII
>
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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Marek Dziedzic]

You can feel bad, but the law is that you have to pay the sales tax (as you
do on cars) every time the item (boat, car) changes hands. The only
difference is that it is up to you to pay it (the onus is on you). If you
did not pay at the time of the transaction, you can feel lucky that you did
not have to come up with the cash at that time.

You were not singled out; we all paid the tax. You might be better off in
Alberta (I don't think they charge the sales tax on boats), but the season
is shorter.

Marek
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Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo

[Wally Bryant]

I'm not going to touch that.

you wrote:

Change the hose.  It's beginning to bulge.



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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Wally Bryant]

Don't get me started...



you wrote:

Can I remind everyone that taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. 
Oh wait, we're talking about Canada.  Never mind.



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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Andrew Burton]

Yikes! One more thing to check when I pull the rig next year. I'll be keeping 
an eye on hat this coming summer!
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Dec 4, 2013, at 15:06, "David Jacobs"  wrote:

> Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
> just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
> me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
> (through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
> SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
> aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
> bolts were almost completely cut through.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
> Bryant
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards
> 
> Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders because
> a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them quiet.  The
> wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and I'm pretty sure
> that weld has structural value.  
> 
> 
> Jimmy Kelly wrote:
>> however wire  still appears to do the job.best
> 
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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[coltrek]

Especially when you consider you have to park your boat 100 miles up the creek 
when you're done playing!

 Bill Coleman

 Original message 
From: Fred Hazzard  
Date: 12/04/2013  6:14 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats 
 
The state of Washington charges out of state boaters 9% if you leave your boat 
there too long.   As an Oregonian I got one of their demands for 9% of the 
value of my boat.  Fortunately my boat was back in Oregon when I received the 
bill.  I denied being there to long and they went away.  I heard they pay 
bounty hunters to document how long your boat is in Washington.
 
In Oregon you pay only for your license every two years.  No personal property 
tax or sales tax.
 
It is amazing when cruising in Canada and other places how many boats there are 
with a Portland home port on their transom. 
 
Fred Hazzard
S/V Fury
Portland, Or/La Paz Mexico
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim Goodyear
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats
 
Massachusetts charges sales tax, annual registration fees and the cities (e.g. 
Boston) charge excise tax (personal property) and even a "mooring fee" for 
using the harbor, even if you're in a marina slip.  As a non-citizen, you have 
to go the state registration route because you cannot document the boat with 
the Coast Guard.  That meant paying the additional 1.25% sales tax when moving 
to Connecticut from MA where I'd already paid 5%.  What fun!  On the other 
hand, the Value Added Tax in UK is currently running at 20%...
 
Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe  
wrote:
Maryland charges around $25/2 years for the state tag on documented boats. They 
do go looking for boats with Delaware tags too, so that trick mainly works on 
trailer boats now. Speaking of which, a huge % of trailers in Maryland have 
Maine tags. Maine charges something like 20% of what Maryland charges for 
trailer tags.
 
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Taxes on boats
 
All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about the 
lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments' efforts to 
discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board albeit delayed.


I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax state to 
avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and where he kept it.

All the vessels documented in Delaware..

I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation Center 
to search for boats home ported in their state.  

Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the 
annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state can 
issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through that 
here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number displayed 
on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or not.  They've 
backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and move on.

Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.

One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is the 
requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag be 
carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a popular boat 
launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Fred Hazzard]

The state of Washington charges out of state boaters 9% if you leave your
boat there too long.   As an Oregonian I got one of their demands for 9% of
the value of my boat.  Fortunately my boat was back in Oregon when I
received the bill.  I denied being there to long and they went away.  I
heard they pay bounty hunters to document how long your boat is in
Washington.

 

In Oregon you pay only for your license every two years.  No personal
property tax or sales tax. 

 

It is amazing when cruising in Canada and other places how many boats there
are with a Portland home port on their transom.  

 

Fred Hazzard

S/V Fury

Portland, Or/La Paz Mexico

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Tim
Goodyear
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:34 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

 

Massachusetts charges sales tax, annual registration fees and the cities
(e.g. Boston) charge excise tax (personal property) and even a "mooring fee"
for using the harbor, even if you're in a marina slip.  As a non-citizen,
you have to go the state registration route because you cannot document the
boat with the Coast Guard.  That meant paying the additional 1.25% sales tax
when moving to Connecticut from MA where I'd already paid 5%.  What fun!  On
the other hand, the Value Added Tax in UK is currently running at 20%...

 

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
wrote:

Maryland charges around $25/2 years for the state tag on documented boats.
They do go looking for boats with Delaware tags too, so that trick mainly
works on trailer boats now. Speaking of which, a huge % of trailers in
Maryland have Maine tags. Maine charges something like 20% of what Maryland
charges for trailer tags.

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Taxes on boats

 

All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about
the lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments' efforts
to discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board albeit
delayed. 



I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax state
to avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and where he
kept it.

All the vessels documented in Delaware..

I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation
Center to search for boats home ported in their state.  

Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the
annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state can
issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through that
here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number
displayed on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or
not.  They've backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and
move on.

Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.

One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is
the requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag
be carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a popular
boat launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Stus-List wire halyards

[Robert Abbott]

When our boat arrived from Wisconsin, the standing rig was completely 
disassembled.  That's when we discovered the wire halyards had cut 
through the top 'aluminum tie bolt'.probably about 50%.


Had a machine shop make two new ones from SS..won't ever have to 
worry about that happening again.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2013/12/04 4:06 PM, David Jacobs wrote:

Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
(through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
bolts were almost completely cut through.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards

Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders because
a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them quiet.  The
wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and I'm pretty sure
that weld has structural value.  


Jimmy Kelly wrote:

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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Steve Thomas]

 Never knew that they had used aluminum bolts. Certainly something to watch out 
for. I can't imagine wanting aluminum bolts on
anything that doesn't fly. Bound to cause trouble eventually.

The shroud tang through bolt at the spreaders on my boat is stainless.

Steve Thomas
1978 C&C27 MKIII


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of David
Jacobs
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 3:07 PM
To: w...@wbryant.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards


Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
(through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
bolts were almost completely cut through.



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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design

[Ed Levert]

And then single handed back to the states.

Ed
Briar Patch C&C 34
New Orleans, La

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:31 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design

A local Antrim 27 did the Pensacola to Isla Mujeres race last year.  That's 555 
nm.  Elasped time was 98:39.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



From: Ronald B. Frerker mailto:rbfrer...@yahoo.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design

I'd love to race it, but only day races.  An overnight like the Chi-Mac would 
be a little too primitive at my age.
Ron
Wild Cheri


On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:43 AM, dwight veinot 
mailto:dwight...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I has its uses...could meet some tough competition in that matket segment

Dwight Veinot
Alianna
C&C 35 MKII
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Edd Schillay 
mailto:e...@schillay.com>> wrote:
I’m sure most of you have seen this by now: 
http://dlo9dp2r69urx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/CC30Interactive.jpg

So what’s the word? Love it? Hate it?

Me thinks I hate it . . . .



All the best,

Edd


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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Josh Muckley]

My wire cut some nasty grooves in the fare leads.  I'll have to make sure
to get the spreaders checked.  All rope for me.
On Dec 4, 2013 3:07 PM, "David Jacobs"  wrote:

> Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
> just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they
> told
> me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
> (through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
> SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
> aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the
> aluminum
> bolts were almost completely cut through.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
> Bryant
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:07 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards
>
> Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders because
> a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them quiet.
>  The
> wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and I'm pretty
> sure
> that weld has structural value.  
>
>
> Jimmy Kelly wrote:
> > however wire  still appears to do the job.best
>
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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[David Jacobs]

Interestingly, I was talking to people at NE Rigging Systems in Concord, MA
just yesterday about replacing the rod on my 1983 C&C35 MK III and they told
me about this issue. Apparently C&C changed from aluminum through bolts
(through the mast holding the rod connection fittings) in the late 80's to
SST through bolts because the internal wire halyards would cut through the
aluminum bolts over time. They just did a C&C 40 and found that the aluminum
bolts were almost completely cut through.

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Wally
Bryant
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:07 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List wire halyards

Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders because
a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them quiet.  The
wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and I'm pretty sure
that weld has structural value.  


Jimmy Kelly wrote:
> however wire  still appears to do the job.best


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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Frederick G Street]

I was lucky enough on both of my C&C purchases to be able to use a loophole 
(which I believe has since been closed…) that allowed sales-tax exempt purchase 
of a boat by a Minnesota purchaser where the transaction occurred in Minnesota, 
but the boat was being moved to Wisconsin.  Due to geography, Duluth, MN (at 
the very western end of Lake Superior) is within a mile or so of Superior, WI, 
and they share a common harbor.  So it was easy to drive the boat over to the 
Minnesota side, close the deal, then take the boat back over to the Wisconsin 
side.  Voila, no sales tax.

I guess I can’t buy any more sailboats; I won’t be able to afford the 
additional $$$…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Dec 4, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Tim Goodyear  wrote:

> Massachusetts charges sales tax, annual registration fees and the cities 
> (e.g. Boston) charge excise tax (personal property) and even a "mooring fee" 
> for using the harbor, even if you're in a marina slip.  As a non-citizen, you 
> have to go the state registration route because you cannot document the boat 
> with the Coast Guard.  That meant paying the additional 1.25% sales tax when 
> moving to Connecticut from MA where I'd already paid 5%.  What fun!  On the 
> other hand, the Value Added Tax in UK is currently running at 20%...
>  
> Tim
> Mojito
> C&C 35-3

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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Tim Goodyear]

Massachusetts charges sales tax, annual registration fees and the cities
(e.g. Boston) charge excise tax (personal property) and even a "mooring
fee" for using the harbor, even if you're in a marina slip.  As a
non-citizen, you have to go the state registration route because you cannot
document the boat with the Coast Guard.  That meant paying the additional
1.25% sales tax when moving to Connecticut from MA where I'd already paid
5%.  What fun!  On the other hand, the Value Added Tax in UK is currently
running at 20%...

Tim
Mojito
C&C 35-3

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Della Barba, Joe wrote:

>  Maryland charges around $25/2 years for the state tag on documented
> boats. They do go looking for boats with Delaware tags too, so that trick
> mainly works on trailer boats now. Speaking of which, a huge % of trailers
> in Maryland have Maine tags. Maine charges something like 20% of what
> Maryland charges for trailer tags.
>
>
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina*
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C.
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:19 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Stus-List Taxes on boats
>
>
>
> All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about
> the lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments'
> efforts to discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board
> albeit delayed.
>
>
> I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax
> state to avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and
> where he kept it.
>
> All the vessels documented in Delaware..
>
> I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation
> Center to search for boats home ported in their state.
>
> Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the
> annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state
> can issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through
> that here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number
> displayed on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or
> not.  They've backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and
> move on.
>
> Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.
>
> One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is
> the requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag
> be carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a
> popular boat launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design

[Dennis C.]

A local Antrim 27 did the Pensacola to Isla Mujeres race last year.  That's 555 
nm.  Elasped time was 98:39.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




>
> From: Ronald B. Frerker 
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 1:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design
> 
>
>
>I'd love to race it, but only day races.  An overnight like the Chi-Mac would 
>be a little too primitive at my age.
>Ron
>Wild Cheri
>
>
>
>
>
>On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:43 AM, dwight veinot  
>wrote:
> 
>I has its uses...could meet some tough competition in that matket segment
>
>
>
>Dwight Veinot
>Alianna 
>C&C 35 MKII
>Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:
>
>I’m sure most of you have seen this by now: 
>http://dlo9dp2r69urx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/CC30Interactive.jpg
>>
>>
>>So what’s the word? Love it? Hate it?
>>
>>
>>Me thinks I hate it . . . . 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>
>>Edd
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Edd M. Schillay
>>Starship Enterprise
>>C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List C&C 30 One Design

[Ronald B. Frerker]

I'd love to race it, but only day races.  An overnight like the Chi-Mac would 
be a little too primitive at my age.
Ron
Wild Cheri




On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:43 AM, dwight veinot  
wrote:
 
I has its uses...could meet some tough competition in that matket segment



Dwight Veinot
Alianna 
C&C 35 MKII
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS



On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:22 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:

I’m sure most of you have seen this by now: 
http://dlo9dp2r69urx.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/CC30Interactive.jpg
>
>
>So what’s the word? Love it? Hate it?
>
>
>Me thinks I hate it . . . . 
>
>
>
>
>All the best,
>
>
>Edd
>
>
>
>
>Edd M. Schillay
>Starship Enterprise
>C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List wire halyards

[Joel Aronson]

I had to replace a mast tang because of a wire spreader.  The mast had to
be pulled in order to do the repair!  (Next time I'll get a rigging survey!)

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Wally Bryant  wrote:

> Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders
> because a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them
> quiet.  The wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and
> I'm pretty sure that weld has structural value.  
>
>
> Jimmy Kelly wrote:
>
>> however wire  still appears to do the job.best
>>
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[Wally Bryant]

Be careful stowing them.  When I re-rigged I replaced the spreaders 
because a PO wrapped the wire halyards behind the spreaders to keep them 
quiet.  The wire wore completely through the aluminum trailing edge, and 
I'm pretty sure that weld has structural value.  



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Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch

[Stevan Plavsa]

Probably not helpful but my god .. they look like they're in pristine
condition:

http://ontario.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-water-sports-Miscellaneous-Sailing-Equipment-W0QQAdIdZ499197372

I'de like to add another #10 same as you on my 32.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Paul Baker  wrote:

>  Hi John,
> I saw these on our local listings,
> http://www.usedvictoria.com/classified-ad/barient-10-winch-pair_21171681, I'm 
> going to see the guy on Friday for some other parts, want me to take
> a look at these for you?  For $80 it might be worth a punt although I have
> no idea how much it would cost to ship them to you.
> Cheers,
> Paul.
>
>
>  On Dec 2, 2013, at 7:19 PM, John Russo 
> wrote:
>
>   Paul,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the response. The16 is a bit too big for the job and the space
> available but I will keep it in mind for any future applications. I will
> soon have a couple of Barient 22’s on my hands that I am replacing with
> Lewmar ST 40 EVO winches.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Paul Baker
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Barient# 10 winch
>
>
>
> I have a pair of stainless Barient 16 I want to sell, bigger is always
> better :)
>
>
> On 13-11-30 05:31 PM, John Russo wrote:
>
> I am looking for a vintage 1984 or later Barient #10 winch to match the
> mainsheet winch on my 1984 C&C 32 located on my cabin top port side. I
> intend to use the 2nd winch  on the starboard cabin top aft of the
> traveler. I had a 2nd or 3rd hand Barient #10P there which did not do the
> job. It is for multipurpose use to be positioned aft of a Lewmar triple
> clutch for my main halyard , outhaul, and Vang.
>
>
>
> The #10 that I have on the Port cabin top measures 4&3/8 at the base and
> is 3&3/4 tall. It is greyish-Maroon in color and I assume Aluminum as the
> 1984 -32 spec calls that out. I have checked out Ebay and there are some
> #10’s listed but none with the above dimensions or AL.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions as to where I can find one?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> John
>
> Arpeggio
>
> Norwalk CT
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Winterizing

[David Knecht]

On the topic of impellers and winterizing, I came across a statement in my boat manual that the impeller (they actually recommended removing the entire water pump as well) should be removed every winter and stored in a bag rather than soaked in antifreeze and fixed in one position with bent blades for months.  I then asked this question of Globe regarding the silicone impellers they sell and they recommended the same.  I guess I will do this in the future.  Dave
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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Della Barba, Joe]

Maryland charges around $25/2 years for the state tag on documented boats. They 
do go looking for boats with Delaware tags too, so that trick mainly works on 
trailer boats now. Speaking of which, a huge % of trailers in Maryland have 
Maine tags. Maine charges something like 20% of what Maryland charges for 
trailer tags.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 1:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Taxes on boats

All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about the 
lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments' efforts to 
discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board albeit delayed.

I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax state to 
avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and where he kept it.

All the vessels documented in Delaware..

I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation Center 
to search for boats home ported in their state.

Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the 
annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state can 
issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through that 
here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number displayed 
on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or not.  They've 
backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and move on.

Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.

One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is the 
requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag be 
carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a popular boat 
launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Joel Aronson]

It's even worse in Virginia where there is an annual personal property tax
that varies by County!  People look for marinas in the low-rate counties.
 The counties do send inspectors to the marinas, and used to and probably
still send inspectors to apartment parking lots looking for cars without
stickers.  I knew an attorney who kept his Benz garaged to avoid the
personal property tax, until he pissed off a former business partner who
narc-ed him. He got hit for several years of back taxes.

Joel
Annapolis


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about
> the lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments'
> efforts to discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board
> albeit delayed.
>
> I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax
> state to avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and
> where he kept it.
>
> All the vessels documented in Delaware..
>
> I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation
> Center to search for boats home ported in their state.
>
> Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the
> annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state
> can issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through
> that here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number
> displayed on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or
> not.  They've backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and
> move on.
>
> Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.
>
> One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is
> the requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag
> be carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a
> popular boat launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
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Re: Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Hoyt, Mike]

Dennis
 
In Nova Scotia all vehicles must be inspected every two years and
trailers the same.  Used to be annually which was a royal pain
 
Boats have a registration number starting with 11A and displayed on the
bow.  If boat is registered under a name then the registration number is
not required.  Registration numbers only for boats over a cretain size
or with motors 10hp and over.
 
Mike



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Dennis C.
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 2:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Taxes on boats


All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What
about the lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the
governments' efforts to discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was
above board albeit delayed.

I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax
state to avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and
where he kept it.

All the vessels documented in Delaware..

I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation
Center to search for boats home ported in their state.  

Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect
the annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a
state can issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went
through that here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their
registration number displayed on the bow regardless of whether the boat
was USCG documented or not.  They've backed off and compromised on that
now.  Just pay the fee and move on.

Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.

One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of
is the requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the
inspection tag be carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops
show up at a popular boat launch here they could write tickets for 50%
of the trailers.

Dennis C.
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Stus-List Taxes on boats

[Dennis C.]

All this talk about states/provinces/countries imposing taxes.  What about the 
lengths some boatowners go to to avoid them and the governments' efforts to 
discover and collect?  At least Steve's case was above board albeit delayed.

I knew a boatowner that used his mother-in-law's address in a non-tax state to 
avoid the property/annual fees in the state where he lived and where he kept it.

All the vessels documented in Delaware..

I've heard of states sending auditors to the USCG Vessel Documentation Center 
to search for boats home ported in their state.  

Then there are the states that want to "number" your boat and collect the 
annual fee.  Only the USCG VDC can "number" your boat.  However, a state can 
issue its own registration and collect an annual fee.  We went through that 
here in Louisiana a while back.  LA wanted their registration number displayed 
on the bow regardless of whether the boat was USCG documented or not.  They've 
backed off and compromised on that now.  Just pay the fee and move on.

Some states do similar but only require the annual tag be displayed.

One regulation here in Louisiana that many boat owners are ignorant of is the 
requirement that ALL trailers be inspected and that the inspection tag be 
carried on (or with) the trailer.  I bet if the cops show up at a popular boat 
launch here they could write tickets for 50% of the trailers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Della Barba, Joe]

No one likes sales tax. Here in the USA it is standard to pay tax on boats and 
cars even if they get sold 300 times. What we do have and you might not is *50 
STATES* that can make up 50 rules and will sometimes tax the same boat you 
already paid tax on. My boat was bought in 1977 and presumably the tax was paid 
then. I was 13 years old in 1977 and not overly concerned with sales tax laws, 
so I hope no one asks for the paperwork! If I move to another state or *stay 
there long enough while sailing*, they just might decide I need to pay tax to 
them as well. Sometimes you can get out of it by proving you already paid in 
your home state, which I would have one hell of a time proving. Some states are 
reasonable as to the length of stay and some are not. Maine famously decided to 
charge sales tax on airplanes that were there more than 1 week! That rule went 
away pretty quick when they realized how many tourists that would chase away 
besides for making any paint or repair shop in Maine lose every single 
out-of-state customer.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List C&C 27-II on YouTube

[Aaron Rouhi]

This is great! I love the idea of being able to scull my boat!!! 
Cheers,Aaron R.Admiral Maggie,1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540Annapolis, MD

> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 22:57:35 -0800
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> From: leeyoungbl...@earthlink.net
> Subject: Stus-List C&C 27-II on YouTube
> 
> Kathleen & I sailed whisper a 1972 C&C 27 for about 5 years, and even 
> took her out to Barkely Sound.  In 2008 we sold to a friend, Dave 
> Reid.  Dave did the test work, for produce delivery with Sail 
> Transport Company. Watch:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEKCmFna4g 
> He took the working engine out of the boat, for more storage, and 
> more important, access to public docks.  He had to keep it simple, 
> but kept detailed records, to prove it was possible, but hard to make 
> a viable living.  Dave has moved on, and we are on a 35-II, but it's 
> sweet to see Whisper again.  Good boat.
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Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo

[Richard N. Bush]

Gary, your story reminds me of a problem I had, same drill, overheating with no 
ascertainable cause..(after much searching), then one day it got so bad I 
thought that maybe there was something blocking the intake opening in the 
bottom of the hull; there was; I found that there were microballoons from when 
some previous owner (not me) had faired the hull and had closed up the hole by 
about 80 percent! I cleaned it out and became a very happy camper, er, 
...boater after that!


Richard
1987 33-II and ...

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite 9
Louisville, Kentucky 40220 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
From: Gary Nylander 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 9:44 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo



I have a raw water cooled 2QM15. Off and on over the 19 years I have owned her, 
I have had weird cooling problems, usually after I have run for a while, then 
sail, and then turn on the motor to go home - it squeals from what appeared to 
be overheating.
 
It got worse. I chased down the entire cooling system more than once. Replaced 
the input hose, made sure everything was clear from the input to the 
exhaust.not much help.
 
The old exhaust riser (iron pipe) finally failed and I had a new one built. 
Still a problem even with the new hose. I was looking at everything it got 
very bad...checked the water pump and found the impeller was toast. Took all 
the pieces home and glued them together to make sure I had all the parts - 
still had an overheating problem with a brand new impeller - remember, I had 
checked everything in the system and it was OK
 
Changed the sensor..no help...changed the zincs... no help... was just about to 
take the head off. Looked (again) at the hoses from the water pump into the 
engine. The hose leading to the zinc on the front (bow end) of the engine was 
mostly clogged with a very rusty piece of an impeller.
 
I have been replacing my impellers rather regularly for the 19 years I have 
owned the boat. I have never had a bad impeller until this latest one (which I 
had all the parts of). I wonder if there has been this hard, rusty piece of an 
impeller in there all this time
 
Pulled the damn thing out and the water flow is better than it has ever been!
 
As was stated - find the pieces
 
Gary
 
- Original Message - 

From: Josh Muckley 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo


Some one already mentioned it but, make sure you find all of the little pieces 
of rubber from the impeller.   Hopefully none of them made it past the heat 
exchanger.  You might find a shop-vac helpful.
Josh
On Dec 3, 2013 8:40 PM, "Kevin Driscoll"  wrote:

Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and 
Osprey's stern here at dropbox:
https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs
Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for sure!
Kevin 30-2
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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Rich Knowles]

Well said, Mike!

Rich

> On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:29, "Hoyt, Mike"  wrote:
> 
> Steve
>  
> Call them.  There likely is a process where you can take some time to pay.  I 
> once received a letter from CRA giving me 30 days to pay $18000.  I called 
> and they were able to extend it up to one year.  Letters from CRA demanding 
> payment do not make you feel very nice.  Would not want to wish that on 
> anyone.
>  
> ... and yes.  Pretty much everyone on this list knows that sales tax is due 
> on purchase of a boat in their own province if that rule applies.  I know 
> that many on private sale get away with not doing it but when you licenese 
> the boat you start a paper trail where it should be paid.  So basically only 
> unlicensed boats or boats with less than 10 horsepower get away with it.
>  
> The good news is that our boats are really cheap to buy.   Most of us are in 
> fact sailing boats that would be well in excess of $100,000 to replace with a 
> like boat that is new.  We are enjoying other people's formerly new boats at 
> a fraction of the cost.  We are very lucky that these boats have been built 
> so well that they can last long enough to depreciate to affordability.  
> Imagine paying the tax on  a new 32 ft boat.  That would really hurt! 
>  
> Mike
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
> Plavsa
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
> 
> Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little surprised at the tone  of some 
> of them. To clarify, I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid paying. I had 
> just received the letter and more than anything I was looking for some 
> healthy support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's an appeal process that 
> could buy me some time or something. Fine, maybe I was whining, I don't think 
> it's the first time this list has seen a despairing email, boat ownership is 
> full of unhappy surprises. I do think that I live in the best country in the 
> world and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. Unlike so many of my fellow 
> Torontonians, I don't prioritize "lower taxes" over having a capable mayor 
> that _doesn't_ smoke crack. Around here the message lately is that 
> Torontonians will vote in a gerbil as long as it saves them a buck on taxes. 
> But I digress...
> 
> Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some of you the 
> opportunity to exercise your wagging finger. Getting hit with a "send us a 
> bunch of money or else" letter right before christmas just sucks. I was going 
> to go through that long rum thread and send you all a mickey of your 
> favourite for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of virtual coal :P
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM,  wrote:
>> The no tax is because we’re stinking rich with oil revenue!
>> 
>> sam :-)
>> 
>> From: Rich Knowles
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
>> To: David Donnelly, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> 
>> Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no tax. :)
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly  wrote:
>> 
>> I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as boats 
>> are taxed each time they change hands. BC  I know has this same arrangement.
>> 
>> Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats.  
>> Only GST if bought new.
>> 
>> If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible 
>> to collect and remit this tax.
>> 
>> Dave
>> C&C 26 Mistress
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: dwight  
>> Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat 
>> 
>> 
>> You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if
>> you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was
>> asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat
>> that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
>> Plavsa
>> Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
>> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter
>> from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they
>> expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of "right
>> to a speedy trial" clause except instead of trial something like "right to a
>> speedy robbery". ?
>> I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but
>> the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago!
>> So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or
>

Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[David Donnelly]

Steve hopefully I didn't offend and if I did my apologies. 

You said you bought at a broker. Don't they charge this tax at time of sale? Or 
is the broker merely a middle man and the sale is actually between you and the 
previous owner? Then the seller pays them a commision.

I own a business and we have to collect and remit PST for Saskatchewan even 
though our customer is an Alberta address but goods were delivered to SK. My 
point is we the vendor have to collect not the customer. Just trying to 
understand how they operate as a business and don't collect the taxes.

Dave
C&C 26 Mistress


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 Original message 
From: Stevan Plavsa  
Date: 12-04-2013  7:10 AM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat 
 
Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little surprised at the tone of some of 
them. To clarify, I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid paying. I had just 
received the letter and more than anything I was looking for some healthy 
support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's an appeal process that could buy 
me some time or something. Fine, maybe I was whining, I don't think it's the 
first time this list has seen a despairing email, boat ownership is full of 
unhappy surprises. I do think that I live in the best country in the world and 
I'm happy to pay for the privilege. Unlike so many of my fellow Torontonians, I 
don't prioritize "lower taxes" over having a capable mayor that _doesn't_ smoke 
crack. Around here the message lately is that Torontonians will vote in a 
gerbil as long as it saves them a buck on taxes. But I digress...

Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some of you the 
opportunity to exercise your wagging finger. Getting hit with a "send us a 
bunch of money or else" letter right before christmas just sucks. I was going 
to go through that long rum thread and send you all a mickey of your favourite 
for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of virtual coal :P

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM,  wrote:
The no tax is because we’re stinking rich with oil revenue!

sam :-)

From: Rich Knowles
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
To: David Donnelly, cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no tax. :)

Rich

On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly  wrote:

I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as boats 
are taxed each time they change hands. BC  I know has this same arrangement.

Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats. Only GST 
if bought new.

If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible to 
collect and remit this tax.

Dave
C&C 26 Mistress


Sent from Samsung Mobile



 Original message 
From: dwight  
Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM  (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat 


You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if
you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was
asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat
that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

Hi All.

I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter
from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they
expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of "right
to a speedy trial" clause except instead of trial something like "right to a
speedy robbery". ?
I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but
the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago!
So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or
..

"If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an
estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate from
the date of purchase, may be issued"

yeah, that sounds reasonable

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


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Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo

[Gary Nylander]

I have a raw water cooled 2QM15. Off and on over the 19 years I have owned her, 
I have had weird cooling problems, usually after I have run for a while, then 
sail, and then turn on the motor to go home - it squeals from what appeared to 
be overheating.

It got worse. I chased down the entire cooling system more than once. Replaced 
the input hose, made sure everything was clear from the input to the 
exhaust.not much help.

The old exhaust riser (iron pipe) finally failed and I had a new one built. 
Still a problem even with the new hose. I was looking at everything it got 
very bad...checked the water pump and found the impeller was toast. Took all 
the pieces home and glued them together to make sure I had all the parts - 
still had an overheating problem with a brand new impeller - remember, I had 
checked everything in the system and it was OK

Changed the sensor..no help...changed the zincs... no help... was just about to 
take the head off. Looked (again) at the hoses from the water pump into the 
engine. The hose leading to the zinc on the front (bow end) of the engine was 
mostly clogged with a very rusty piece of an impeller.

I have been replacing my impellers rather regularly for the 19 years I have 
owned the boat. I have never had a bad impeller until this latest one (which I 
had all the parts of). I wonder if there has been this hard, rusty piece of an 
impeller in there all this time

Pulled the damn thing out and the water flow is better than it has ever been!

As was stated - find the pieces

Gary

- Original Message - 
  From: Josh Muckley 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:47 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo


  Some one already mentioned it but, make sure you find all of the little 
pieces of rubber from the impeller.   Hopefully none of them made it past the 
heat exchanger.  You might find a shop-vac helpful.

  Josh

  On Dec 3, 2013 8:40 PM, "Kevin Driscoll"  wrote:

Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller and 
Osprey's stern here at dropbox:
https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs
Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for 
sure!

Kevin 30-2

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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Andrew Burton]

One of the reasons the marine industry is so healthy in Rhode Island is that 
here is no sales tax on boats. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

On Dec 4, 2013, at 9:29, "Hoyt, Mike"  wrote:

> Steve
>  
> Call them.  There likely is a process where you can take some time to pay.  I 
> once received a letter from CRA giving me 30 days to pay $18000.  I called 
> and they were able to extend it up to one year.  Letters from CRA demanding 
> payment do not make you feel very nice.  Would not want to wish that on 
> anyone.
>  
> ... and yes.  Pretty much everyone on this list knows that sales tax is due 
> on purchase of a boat in their own province if that rule applies.  I know 
> that many on private sale get away with not doing it but when you licenese 
> the boat you start a paper trail where it should be paid.  So basically only 
> unlicensed boats or boats with less than 10 horsepower get away with it.
>  
> The good news is that our boats are really cheap to buy.  Most of us are in 
> fact sailing boats that would be well in excess of $100,000 to replace with a 
> like boat that is new.  We are enjoying other people's formerly new boats at 
> a fraction of the cost.  We are very lucky that these boats have been built 
> so well that they can last long enough to depreciate to affordability.  
> Imagine paying the tax on  a new 32 ft boat.  That would really hurt! 
>  
> Mike
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan 
> Plavsa
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:10 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
> 
> Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little surprised at the tone of some of 
> them. To clarify, I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid paying. I had 
> just received the letter and more than anything I was looking for some 
> healthy support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's an appeal process that 
> could buy me some time or something. Fine, maybe I was whining, I don't think 
> it's the first time this list has seen a despairing email, boat ownership is 
> full of unhappy surprises. I do think that I live in the best country in the 
> world and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. Unlike so many of my fellow 
> Torontonians, I don't prioritize "lower taxes" over having a capable mayor 
> that _doesn't_ smoke crack. Around here the message lately is that 
> Torontonians will vote in a gerbil as long as it saves them a buck on taxes. 
> But I digress...
> 
> Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some of you the 
> opportunity to exercise your wagging finger. Getting hit with a "send us a 
> bunch of money or else" letter right before christmas just sucks. I was going 
> to go through that long rum thread and send you all a mickey of your 
> favourite for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of virtual coal :P
> 
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM,  wrote:
>> The no tax is because we’re stinking rich with oil revenue!
>> 
>> sam :-)
>> 
>> From: Rich Knowles
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
>> To: David Donnelly, cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> 
>> Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no tax. :)
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly  wrote:
>> 
>> I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as boats 
>> are taxed each time they change hands. BC  I know has this same arrangement.
>> 
>> Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats. Only 
>> GST if bought new.
>> 
>> If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible 
>> to collect and remit this tax.
>> 
>> Dave
>> C&C 26 Mistress
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message 
>> From: dwight  
>> Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00) 
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat 
>> 
>> 
>> You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if
>> you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was
>> asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat
>> that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Stevan
>> Plavsa
>> Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
>> 
>> Hi All.
>> 
>> I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter
>> from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they
>> expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of "right
>> to a speedy trial" clause except instead of trial something like "right t

Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Dennis C.]

Reminds me of when the US decided to impose a tax on luxury items in the 90's.  
Cars over $30K and new boats over $100K if I remember correctly.  New boat 
market went into the toilet.  17,000 boatbuilders got pink slips.  Well, THAT 
worked.  Lawmakers consistently ignore the law of unintended consequences.

Steve, speaking of bureaucratic shocks, when I bought Touche' and went to 
change the documentation to my name from the previous owner, the USCG 
documentation center informed me there was a $62,400 lien registered against 
the boat!  Turned out to be just a paperwork drill but that piece of news had 
my head spinning for a couple weeks.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



>
> From: "Hoyt, Mike" 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
> 
>
>
>
>
> 
>The good news is that our boats are really cheap to buy.  
Most of us are in fact sailing boats that would be well in excess of $100,000 
to 
replace with a like boat that is new.  We are enjoying other people's 
formerly new boats at a fraction of the cost.  We are very lucky that these 
boats have been built so well that they can last long enough to depreciate to 
affordability.  Imagine paying the tax on  a new 32 ft boat.  
That would really hurt! 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Dr. Mark Bodnar]

  
  

  Stevan,
  You have my sympathy for sure!
  I know that I'll have to pay the HST on my new boat - despite the
  fact that appropriate taxes were paid when it was bought 27 yrs
  ago.
  The concept of sales tax is "supposed" to be on new items - as a
  matter of fact the HST is specifically set up so that the seller
  gets a rebate on the HST they paid already so the tax is only
  collected once.
  
  BUT we're talking about gov't here!  And about money!  It's like
  flies to s**t!
  This is my first experience with paying the HST on a boat - but
  they do the same thing with cars here -- we pay the HST on a new,
  or used, vehicle  except (and this I don't understand) if you
  buy a new car from a dealer and sell them your old car, then you
  only pay the HST on the difference!
  But if you buy yourself a new car and sell your old car privately
  then you can't get the HST rebate on the old vehicle value!
  
  Bastards!
  
  Personally I may note my frustration with the unfair rules by
  waiting until they ask for the tax in a couple years!
  
  Mark
  -
  Dr. Mark Bodnar
B.Sc., D.C., FCCOPR(C)
Bedford Chiropractic
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  - George Santayana
  On 04/12/2013 10:10 AM, Stevan Plavsa wrote:


  Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little
surprised at the tone of some of them. To clarify, I wasn't
asking for advice on how to avoid paying. I had just received
the letter and more than anything I was looking for some healthy
support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's an appeal process
that could buy me some time or something. Fine, maybe I was
whining, I don't think it's the first time this list has seen a
despairing email, boat ownership is full of unhappy surprises. I
do think that I live in the best country in the world and I'm
happy to pay for the privilege. Unlike so many of my fellow
Torontonians, I don't prioritize "lower taxes" over having a
capable mayor that _doesn't_ smoke crack. Around here the
message lately is that Torontonians will vote in a gerbil as
long as it saves them a buck on taxes. But I digress...

  

Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some
  of you the opportunity to exercise your wagging finger.
  Getting hit with a "send us a bunch of money or else" letter
  right before christmas just sucks. I was going to go through
  that long rum thread and send you all a mickey of your
  favourite for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of
  virtual coal :P

  
  
  Steve
  Suhana, C&C 32
  Toronto


  

  
  

On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM, 
  wrote:
  

  

  The no tax is because we’re stinking rich with oil
  revenue!


  
  
  sam :-)
  
  

  


  From: Rich
Knowles
  Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
  To: David Donnelly, cnc-list@cnc-list.com


  



  Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might
account for no tax. :)

Rich
  
On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly 
wrote:

  
  

  I think this varies by province and some
require certain items such as boats are
taxed each time they change hands. BC  I
know has this same arrangement.
  
  
  Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject
to this kind of tax on boats. Only GST if
bought new.
  
  
  If you bought from a broker I don't
understand why they aren't responsible to
collect and remit this tax.
  
  
  

Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Hoyt, Mike]

Steve
 
Call them.  There likely is a process where you can take some time to
pay.  I once received a letter from CRA giving me 30 days to pay $18000.
I called and they were able to extend it up to one year.  Letters from
CRA demanding payment do not make you feel very nice.  Would not want to
wish that on anyone.
 
... and yes.  Pretty much everyone on this list knows that sales tax is
due on purchase of a boat in their own province if that rule applies.  I
know that many on private sale get away with not doing it but when you
licenese the boat you start a paper trail where it should be paid.  So
basically only unlicensed boats or boats with less than 10 horsepower
get away with it.
 
The good news is that our boats are really cheap to buy.  Most of us are
in fact sailing boats that would be well in excess of $100,000 to
replace with a like boat that is new.  We are enjoying other people's
formerly new boats at a fraction of the cost.  We are very lucky that
these boats have been built so well that they can last long enough to
depreciate to affordability.  Imagine paying the tax on  a new 32 ft
boat.  That would really hurt! 
 
Mike



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Stevan Plavsa
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:10 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat


Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little surprised at the tone of
some of them. To clarify, I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid
paying. I had just received the letter and more than anything I was
looking for some healthy support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's
an appeal process that could buy me some time or something. Fine, maybe
I was whining, I don't think it's the first time this list has seen a
despairing email, boat ownership is full of unhappy surprises. I do
think that I live in the best country in the world and I'm happy to pay
for the privilege. Unlike so many of my fellow Torontonians, I don't
prioritize "lower taxes" over having a capable mayor that _doesn't_
smoke crack. Around here the message lately is that Torontonians will
vote in a gerbil as long as it saves them a buck on taxes. But I
digress... 

Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some of you the
opportunity to exercise your wagging finger. Getting hit with a "send us
a bunch of money or else" letter right before christmas just sucks. I
was going to go through that long rum thread and send you all a mickey
of your favourite for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of
virtual coal :P

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto




On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM,  wrote:


The no tax is because we're stinking rich with oil revenue!


sam :-)


From: Rich Knowles  
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
To: David Donnelly  ,
cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no
tax. :)

Rich

On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly 
wrote:



I think this varies by province and some require certain
items such as boats are taxed each time they change hands. BC  I know
has this same arrangement.

Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of
tax on boats. Only GST if bought new.

If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they
aren't responsible to collect and remit this tax.

Dave
C&C 26 Mistress


Sent from Samsung Mobile



 Original message 
From: dwight  
Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used
boat 


You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you
bought the boat, if
you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a
friend who was
asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid
the tax on his boat
that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On
Behalf Of Stevan
Plavsa
Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used
boat

Hi All.

I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago.
I just got a letter
from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the
purchase price. Do they
expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is
there no kind of "right
to a speedy trial" clau

Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat

[Stevan Plavsa]

Thanks for the the replies all. I'm a little surprised at the tone of some
of them. To clarify, I wasn't asking for advice on how to avoid paying. I
had just received the letter and more than anything I was looking for some
healthy support from my fellow listers. Maybe there's an appeal process
that could buy me some time or something. Fine, maybe I was whining, I
don't think it's the first time this list has seen a despairing email, boat
ownership is full of unhappy surprises. I do think that I live in the best
country in the world and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. Unlike so many
of my fellow Torontonians, I don't prioritize "lower taxes" over having a
capable mayor that _doesn't_ smoke crack. Around here the message lately is
that Torontonians will vote in a gerbil as long as it saves them a buck on
taxes. But I digress...

Thanks for the supportive replies and I'm glad I gave some of you the
opportunity to exercise your wagging finger. Getting hit with a "send us a
bunch of money or else" letter right before christmas just sucks. I was
going to go through that long rum thread and send you all a mickey of your
favourite for Christmas but now you're all getting a lump of virtual coal :P

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 2:20 AM,  wrote:

>  The no tax is because we’re stinking rich with oil revenue!
>
> sam :-)
>
> *From:* Rich Knowles 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:24 PM
> *To:* David Donnelly , cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> Is there sailing water in Alberta? That might account for no tax. :)
>
> Rich
>
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:05, David Donnelly  wrote:
>
> I think this varies by province and some require certain items such as
> boats are taxed each time they change hands. BC  I know has this same
> arrangement.
>
> Glad I live in Alberta we aren't subject to this kind of tax on boats.
> Only GST if bought new.
>
> If you bought from a broker I don't understand why they aren't responsible
> to collect and remit this tax.
>
> Dave
> C&C 26 Mistress
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
>
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: dwight 
> Date: 12-03-2013 5:45 PM (GMT-07:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
>
>
> You owe the tax, even if they got you 4 years after you bought the boat, if
> you can't prove that you paid tax they got you, I have a friend who was
> asked last year by the NS gov't to prove that he paid the tax on his boat
> that he bought 14 years ago...save your receipts
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Stevan
> Plavsa
> Sent: December 3, 2013 5:57 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Canadians - retail sales tax used boat
>
> Hi All.
>
> I bought the 32 two years ago, literally two years ago. I just got a letter
> from the ministry of finance asking for 13% of the purchase price. Do they
> expect me to hold onto that money for two years? is there no kind of "right
> to a speedy trial" clause except instead of trial something like "right to
> a
> speedy robbery". ?
> I don't duck out of paying my fair share, I don't circumvent the rules but
> the government already collected sales tax on this boat! 33 years ago!
> So they make me wait two years and now they want payment within 60 days or
> ..
>
> "If this information is not received within 60 days of the mailing date, an
> estimated assessment with interest compounded DAILY at the current rate
> from
> the date of purchase, may be issued"
>
> yeah, that sounds reasonable
>
> Steve
> Suhana, C&C 32
> Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck

[dwight]

While what Ron said has some effect, I find that entry angle is more
affected by forestay tension, so given that you have your hi-tech genoa
halyard tension set to get the draft where you want it, try cranking the
backstay tension up a bit and notice how the entry angle changes as the
forestay tension also increases

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam
Salter
Sent: December 4, 2013 3:12 AM
To: Ronald B. Frerker; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck

 

OK - now we're cooking!

Sam :-)



On 2013-12-03, at 10:34 PM, "Ronald B. Frerker"  wrote:

Sam,

While the draft change is minimal, the entry of the luff changes with
halyard tension in the newer materials.  You can check this by experiment.
Set the jib halyard hand tight and note the angle of the luff entry; then
tighten the halyard a lot and note how the entry of the jib moved.

This entry change makes it overall flatter or less flat.

As you state, draft is mostly built in.

Ron

Wild Cheri

 

 

 

On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 8:06 PM, "sam.c.sal...@gmail.com"
 wrote:

I've got the book, one of many, and I understand and am an obsessive sail
trimer. What I don't understand, yet, is what pulling the halyard on a sail
that doesn't stretch do?

sam :-)

 

 


From: niall buckley

Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 5:59 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck

 

Sam,

If you are really interested in this,(and you should be, if you want to get
the most pleasure from sailing your vessel),

find a copy of "sail power".

Halyard tension, backstay,lead position,boom downhaul etc are the gears that
accelerate your boat.

I'm writing on Wellness and Anti Aging now, so find the Book.

 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 8:05 PM,  wrote:

If the shape is factory engineered, and they don't stretch, what is
adjusting halyard tension going to do?

Tensioning the halyards on the old sails stretched the Dacron on the bias
and moved the draft forward. It can't do that on the kryptonite one!

A bit more explaining please! 

 

sam :-)

 


From: niall buckley

Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2013 4:31 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com

Subject: Re: Stus-List Old Sails Suck

 

The main difference is that the new sails dont stretch and their shape is
factory engineered.

You will still adjust mail and genoa halyard tension according to
conditions. You will likely

not ever require a Cunningham ever again.

Have Fun.

 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Hoyt, Mike  wrote:

Meant to put this as an aside on Sam's thread.  New main and #1 on
Koobalibra C&C115 this past summer.  The difference between these and the 6
year old sails is like high tech winter tires to bald tires in a snow storm


 


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:58 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Halyard Tension

Reading the tread about halyards, and an earlier post about furlers reminded
me to ask a question of you racers out there: -

 

I don't race - only because there's no-one racing on our lake. Although I
have done a couple of Swiftsures.

But I like passing boats and hate it when boats pass me!

My boat has been pretty well upgraded with all rope halyards; new adjustable
genoa cars; self tailers; new traveller; barbour haulers; and new Dacron
sails 5 seasons ago.

I sail with a 135% genoa on a furler. While sailing I adjust the genoa
halyard regularly to move draft in the sail as the wind changes. (I do the
same with the main too!)

Now the question:

Late this season I bought a new high tech, Kevlar, carbon, kryptonite, 135%
genoa.

I'm assuming I don't adjust halyard tension with this new sail as I don't
think the sail will distort like a Dacron sail.

Similarly, when I buy a matching main, main halyard and Cunningham
adjustment will become redundant. Am I correct with this assumption?

If this is correct, are there any trimming adjustments with these new high
tech sails that I should become familiar with? Do you trim these newer sails
any different than the old Dacron sails?

What new techniques do I need to absorb?

Thanks,

sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta.

 


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Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo

[Joel Aronson]

I'd replace the hose clamp and cut off the end of the hose while I'm at it.
It does look like the major pieces are all there!

Joel


On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 8:12 AM,  wrote:

>  *This probably sounds strange, but I would try to lay out and "assemble"
> the pieces to see if you've found them all. You may indeed be lucky, and
> find them all in the impeller housing. *
>
> *Bill*
>
> *MYSTY*
> *1986 Landfall 39*
> *Virginia *
>
>  In a message dated 12/4/2013 12:27:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> r...@sailpower.ca writes:
>
> It almost looks as though the missing vanes are stuck right in the pump
> body?? A good thing if they are. Nice looking boat.
>
> Rich
>
> On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:39, Kevin Driscoll  wrote:
>
>  Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see impeller
> and Osprey's stern here at dropbox:
> https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs
> Thanks for helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for
> sure!
>
> Kevin 30-2
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Re: Stus-List Impeller link to photo

[Briard6]

This probably sounds strange, but I would try  to lay out and "assemble" 
the pieces to see if you've found them all. You may  indeed be lucky, and find 
them all in the impeller housing. 
 
Bill
 
MYSTY
1986 Landfall 39
Virginia 
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2013 12:27:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
r...@sailpower.ca writes:

It almost looks as though the missing vanes are stuck right in the pump  
body?? A good thing if they are. Nice looking boat. 

Rich

On Dec 3, 2013, at 21:39, Kevin Driscoll <_kevindriscoll@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:kevindrisc...@gmail.com) >  wrote:




Apologies for my links not working. You should be able to see  impeller and 
Osprey's stern here at dropbox:
https://db.tt/PcqiFwLs
Thanks for  helpful info. Going to buy one of those belt tension jacks for 
sure! 
Kevin 30-2 
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