Re: Stus-List Test
I could just ignore your emails for a bit if that would make you feel any better? Ken H. On 1 May 2014 00:18, Jim Watts via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I didn't get bounced. Now I feel left out. Jim Watts Paradigm Shift CC 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On 30 April 2014 13:35, Joseph Bognar via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.comwrote: Got the same message , I think it was spam Sent from Joe Bognar On Apr 30, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi I got bounced this morning just trying again... Danny ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 32
Here is the CC Photo Album site for all CC designs..might help with your quest for sail dimensions. Will I agree there is no CC 32 MKII, there are four (4) 32'2 and are deemed 'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D'I have yet to understand the difference(s) between all of them..the hull designs all appear to be similarI think one difference is that the first three came with a tiller and the 'D' model has a wheel.FYI Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/05/01 6:44 AM, Michael Clow via CnC-List wrote: My symmetrical chute was made specifically for racing by Al Declercq in Metro Detroit so it would be the maximum legal size. My sail certificate is online below with the dimensions. Perhaps someone else knows the formula to calculate square footage? http://desiresailing.org/Misc/SailCertificateSymChute1998CnC32.pdf There is no CC 32-II. The CC 32 (made 1979 to 1984) is actually 31.5 LOA. The CC99 is 32.5 feet and came out around 2000. The only similarity is that they are within .5 feet of 32 feet. Michael Clow /Desire http://desiresailing.org//, CC 32, Lake St. Clair *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:46 PM *To:* teq...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C$C 32 FX Sails thinks the 32 is 754 sq ft / 32 mk ll is 821 sq ft. (That's for symmetrical) sam :-) *From:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* ?Wednesday?, ?April? ?30?, ?2014 ?7?:?09? ?PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Can Any one tell me the sail area of a Spinnaker for a CC 32, or the fomula to get the area? Thanks Bob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C$C 32
Bob - Check with your local phrf organization or sail maker. This is the formula I was given for spin sail area in sqft. See if it makes sense for you. PHRF Rule ((SLU+SLE) x (4*SMG + SF))/12 Slu = spin luff Sle = spin leach Smg = spin mid-girth Sf = spin foot From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Michael Clow via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 4:44 AM To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C$C 32 My symmetrical chute was made specifically for racing by Al Declercq in Metro Detroit so it would be the maximum legal size. My sail certificate is online below with the dimensions. Perhaps someone else knows the formula to calculate square footage? http://desiresailing.org/Misc/SailCertificateSymChute1998CnC32.pdf There is no CC 32-II. The CC 32 (made 1979 to 1984) is actually 31.5 LOA. The CC99 is 32.5 feet and came out around 2000. The only similarity is that they are within .5 feet of 32 feet. Michael Clow Desire http://desiresailing.org/ , CC 32, Lake St. Clair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:46 PM To: teq...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C$C 32 FX Sails thinks the 32 is 754 sq ft / 32 mk ll is 821 sq ft. (That’s for symmetrical) sam :-) From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Can Any one tell me the sail area of a Spinnaker for a CC 32, or the fomula to get the area? Thanks Bob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List sails for sale
I have head sails for a CC 35 MKII for sale. The wife is tired of seeing them. They have been graded as 'A' by t he local sail maker. Here is the sail info #3 Bainbridge Dacron with battons luff 45.38, lp16.72,Sobstadt #2 mylar, luff 43.79, lp 19.8 #1 medium mylarluff 46.25, lp 23.16, sobstad #1 all purpose Kevlar, luff 46.6, lp 23.6, Doyle #1 All purpose mylar, luff 45.69, lp23.25 Please contact me at agood...@inwave.com Al Goodman Skylark 35ft CC MKII ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List CC 32
Sorry, forgot to attach the CC Photo Album site addresson far left side, look for CC Brochures: http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/05/01 9:37 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List wrote: Here is the CC Photo Album site for all CC designs..might help with your quest for sail dimensions. Will I agree there is no CC 32 MKII, there are four (4) 32'2 and are deemed 'A', 'B', 'C' and 'D'I have yet to understand the difference(s) between all of them..the hull designs all appear to be similarI think one difference is that the first three came with a tiller and the 'D' model has a wheel.FYI Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2014/05/01 6:44 AM, Michael Clow via CnC-List wrote: My symmetrical chute was made specifically for racing by Al Declercq in Metro Detroit so it would be the maximum legal size. My sail certificate is online below with the dimensions. Perhaps someone else knows the formula to calculate square footage? http://desiresailing.org/Misc/SailCertificateSymChute1998CnC32.pdf There is no CC 32-II. The CC 32 (made 1979 to 1984) is actually 31.5 LOA. The CC99 is 32.5 feet and came out around 2000. The only similarity is that they are within .5 feet of 32 feet. Michael Clow /Desire http://desiresailing.org//, CC 32, Lake St. Clair *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *via CnC-List *Sent:* Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:46 PM *To:* teq...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C$C 32 FX Sails thinks the 32 is 754 sq ft / 32 mk ll is 821 sq ft. (That's for symmetrical) sam :-) *From:*cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent:* ?Wednesday?, ?April? ?30?, ?2014 ?7?:?09? ?PM *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Can Any one tell me the sail area of a Spinnaker for a CC 32, or the fomula to get the area? Thanks Bob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C$C 32
Bob, it looks like you're getting some good answers from others on the list. Out of interest, why do you need the area? Is it to size handling gear / lines? Mauri pro has the formulae below, but if you have a running spinnaker with broad shoulders it will be bigger than a reaching spinnaker with a tighter luff / smaller shoulders. It calculates 861 / 939 sqft for cruising / racing spinnakers respectively for the CC 32. In comparison, it calculates a racing spinnaker at 1130 sqft for the 35-3, but my reaching sail measures at 965 sqft, so you need to take the area with a pinch of salt. Tim Mojito CC 35-3 Branford, CT The following formulas will give you approximate sail areas: Mainsail = (P x E) / 1.8 (1.6 for racing profile mainsails) 155% Genoa = (( J x I ) / 2) x 1.65 135% Genoa = (( J x I ) / 2) x 1.44 100% Jib = ( I x J ) / 2 Racing Symmetrical Spinnaker = 1.8 x J x I Racing Asymmetrical Spinnaker = 1.8 x J x I Cruising Asymmetrical Spinnaker = 1.65 x J x I On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 9:09 PM, via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can Any one tell me the sail area of a Spinnaker for a CC 32, or the fomula to get the area? Thanks Bob ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Insurance on a LF38
Geico is also a Berkshire Hathaway company, and US Boat writes through another BH subsidiary. I wonder if Seaworthy is cheaper than Boat US? On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have no other insurance with Geico. I believe I initiated the deal on the net through the Geico site. And it's actually Seaworthy insurance (a Berkshire Hathaway Company) through the Geico brokerage. I've had no claims, but they've been very responsive to requests. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco Message: 5 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:48:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Sheer via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Insurance on a LF38 Message-ID: 1398908914.78204.yahoomail...@web126201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Got my 1980 LF38 insured through Geico. Seaworthy is the actual insurance company. I thought it was a very reasonable rate for the policy after shopping around. Dan Sheer Pegathy LF38 Rock Creek off the Patapsco -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20140430/98f0d27e/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 21:59:50 -0400 (EDT) From: via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: dansh...@yahoo.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Insurance on a LF38 Message-ID: 8d132f82c027897-1bf4-5...@webmail-va029.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geico will not insure your boat unless you have other insurance with them. John McLaughlin CC29-2 Falcon ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List E mail
Folks, I am a member of your owners list and enjoy the resource. However I am now receiving copies of all e mail the site generates.Don't want that. Can you remove me from the e mail list ?Thanks. Dave Teitzel. C C 35 Mark III. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List E mail
Me too. Just started getting them. Remove me also. Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dave Teitzel via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks, I am a member of your owners list and enjoy the resource. However I am now receiving copies of all e mail the site generates.Don't want that. Can you remove me from the e mail list ?Thanks. Dave Teitzel. C C 35 Mark III. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Zebra muscles
Good day everyone. Well they're here now and our government is already planning aggressive treatments as zebra muscles have been found in our harbour. The treatment will shut down 4 of our commercial harbours on Lake Winnipeg, knock out our fishing fleets for most of May and June and offset our recreational schedule. This prescription calls for liquid potash to be pumped into the harbours. This seems like a scary alternative as potash is the 3rd major crop nutrient after nitrogen and phosphorus and Lake Winnipeg already has a giant blue green algae problem thanks to field runoff etc. It sounds like they are only going to be postponing the inevitable and causing additional problems along the way. For the sailors living on the Great Lakes and have been dealing with zebra muscles for years, what sort of personal impact have you had with your sailboats cooling systems, sanitary systems etc. Also what local treatments have you seen? Thanks Brent Driedger 27-5 s/v Wild Rover Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled
I got this today, is it real? I don't recognize the password. Frank S/V Cool Change -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:17 AM To: n...@comcast.net Subject: confirm 591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 30-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/confirm/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 You can also visit your membership page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/options/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/n7fn%40comcast.net On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is (Password not included in forwarded message) If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List E mail
Same here, need to be removed David Bannister 519 238 6597 d...@hay.net On May 1, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Alan Cyr via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: And me as well I expect something went south in the settings Alan Cyr CC 27 MkV Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Rod And Lisa via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Me too. Just started getting them. Remove me also. Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Dave Teitzel via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Folks, I am a member of your owners list and enjoy the resource. However I am now receiving copies of all e mail the site generates.Don't want that. Can you remove me from the e mail list ?Thanks. Dave Teitzel. C C 35 Mark III. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled
I got a similar one yesterday. Re-signed and changed my password. From: Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: List Stus cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:57:36 AM Subject: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled I got this today, is it real? I don't recognize the password. Frank S/V Cool Change -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:17 AM To: n...@comcast.net Subject: confirm 591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 30-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/confirm/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 You can also visit your membership page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/options/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/n7fn%40comcast.net On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is (Password not included in forwarded message) If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List C$C 32
The square footage is a function of how the sail is built. My spinnaker has high 'shoulders' and is 24 feet across at the foot and about 35 feet tall. But I could get another with the same external measurements but cut in a more triangle configuration (no high and wide shoulders) and have a lot less cloth. That is probably why you don't see spinnaker square footage on sailboat specs. Gary - Original Message - From: Michael Clow via CnC-List To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 5:44 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C$C 32 My symmetrical chute was made specifically for racing by Al Declercq in Metro Detroit so it would be the maximum legal size. My sail certificate is online below with the dimensions. Perhaps someone else knows the formula to calculate square footage? http://desiresailing.org/Misc/SailCertificateSymChute1998CnC32.pdf There is no CC 32-II. The CC 32 (made 1979 to 1984) is actually 31.5 LOA. The CC99 is 32.5 feet and came out around 2000. The only similarity is that they are within .5 feet of 32 feet. Michael Clow Desire, CC 32, Lake St. Clair From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:46 PM To: teq...@comcast.net; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C$C 32 FX Sails thinks the 32 is 754 sq ft / 32 mk ll is 821 sq ft. (That’s for symmetrical) sam :-) From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 7:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Can Any one tell me the sail area of a Spinnaker for a CC 32, or the fomula to get the area? Thanks Bob -- ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Zebra muscles
When they first came to Lake Erie, they multiplied exponentially, and at their peak the water cleared up dramatically. Then they leveled off, and declined somewhat, I think the Gobies may control them now, but not sure. Gobies are disgusting little creatures as well, and not something to look forward to. Unfortunately our water has gotten cloudy again, mostly algae. There is a state marina here with a large basin which gets so much seaweed by June that you can get trapped in there. The state does something, (which only the state can do, go figure) that completely wipes these weed out. I was told that they OVER fertilize the basin, which kills the plants. Maybe Potash? Regarding the mussels, the only problem I have with them boat-systems related is the cooling line for the fridge. They like to lodge in the lines, where they can just sit and let the water flow over them. As I have mentioned before, my solution for this is to put a few mothballs in the strainer, which keeps them out of there, but the fry pass through, and end up in the pump. For this I add a half cup of bleach in the strainer every few weeks to kill them downstream. Our City water intake has chlorine added at the entrance in the lake to control them, then supposedly it is removed in filtering. Now we are all bracing for Asian Carp. Bill Coleman CC 39 -Original Message- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Brent Driedger via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:37 AM To: CC List Canada Subject: Stus-List Zebra muscles Good day everyone. Well they're here now and our government is already planning aggressive treatments as zebra muscles have been found in our harbour. The treatment will shut down 4 of our commercial harbours on Lake Winnipeg, knock out our fishing fleets for most of May and June and offset our recreational schedule. This prescription calls for liquid potash to be pumped into the harbours. This seems like a scary alternative as potash is the 3rd major crop nutrient after nitrogen and phosphorus and Lake Winnipeg already has a giant blue green algae problem thanks to field runoff etc. It sounds like they are only going to be postponing the inevitable and causing additional problems along the way. For the sailors living on the Great Lakes and have been dealing with zebra muscles for years, what sort of personal impact have you had with your sailboats cooling systems, sanitary systems etc. Also what local treatments have you seen? Thanks Brent Driedger 27-5 s/v Wild Rover Lake Winnipeg Sent from my iPhone ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled
Me too I think somebody got in the back door \ | / (@ @) --o00--(_)--00o-- 416-805-3020 cell 416-231-7890 fax ..._/)..._/)..._/)..._/) I'd rather be sailing Sent from Richard's iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 10:04 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I got a similar one yesterday. Re-signed and changed my password. From: Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: List Stus cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:57:36 AM Subject: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled I got this today, is it real? I don't recognize the password. Frank S/V Cool Change -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:17 AM To: n...@comcast.net Subject: confirm 591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 30-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/confirm/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 You can also visit your membership page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/options/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/n7fn%40comcast.net On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is (Password not included in forwarded message) If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Keel Fairing
Please forgive my ignorance on the subject. While scraping and sanding the hull of our 30mk1 I knocked out a couple of (fairly?) large chunks of fairing on the keel. I can see metal. Can anyone advise me on the proper repair procedure please? Should I grind it all off or patch? What should I use? Thanks in advance Derek Kennedy Tortuga CC 30Mk1 Ballantyne's Cove, NS ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Keel Fairing
I'm assuming it's a lead keel. I did spot repairs on my lead keel in 2003, and it was a good idea but didn't take. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0307/haul.htm Perhaps I messed up. A few years later I stripped the whole thing down and reworked it from bare lead, and that has been perfect ever since. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0604/index.htm Now, I can honestly say that the best way to deal with exposed lead is to sand it down clean and immediately sand resin into the lead. Then prime and paint. Wal you wrote: While scraping and sanding the hull of our 30mk1 I knocked out a couple of (fairly?) large chunks of fairing on the keel. I can see metal. Can anyone advise me on the proper repair procedure please? Should I grind it all off or patch? What should I use? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-Listhas been disabled
I got one, too. I wonder what Stu could say about it? Marek From: Richard gonesailing via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 1:22 PM To: JOHN D IRVIN ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-Listhas been disabled Me too I think somebody got in the back door \ | / (@ @) --o00--(_)--00o-- 416-805-3020 cell 416-231-7890 fax ..._/)..._/)..._/)..._/) I'd rather be sailing Sent from Richard's iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 10:04 AM, JOHN D IRVIN via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I got a similar one yesterday. Re-signed and changed my password. From: Frank via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: List Stus cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 9:57:36 AM Subject: Stus-List Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled I got this today, is it real? I don't recognize the password. Frank S/V Cool Change -Original Message- From: cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 11:17 AM To: n...@comcast.net Subject: confirm 591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 Your membership in the mailing list CnC-List has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 30-Apr-2014. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 2 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/confirm/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/591c5f55764b22dbe12cbb2ddc374b295a239586 You can also visit your membership page at http://cnc-list.com/mailman/options/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/n7fn%40comcast.net On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is (Password not included in forwarded message) If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Stus-List Testing the List
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Yesterday, approximately 125 members received notices saying their subscriptions had been cancelled due to excessive or fatal bounces. Unfortunately, I was in the hospital having cataract surgery and trying to read the messages and reply to them was very difficult – I was blind in one eye and could not see out the other one. At least today, one eye is working. Yesterday’s problems were not with the list but with the ISP’s involved. It is mainly a Yahoo problem (right now) but includes: comcast, hotmail, AOL, Ameritech, Sympatico, Rogers, Bell, Reinardy, Live, Wbryant, Outlook, MSN, SBCGlobal, Acesdirect, Netscape, SNet, ATT and probably a bunch of others. I am in the process of resetting everyone’s subscriptions so that they receive mail and am working with our List Hosting Company to overcome these problems. In order to get around Yahoo’s problem, you will notice the “From” box on your emails, says “via CnC-List” instead of the sender’s name. SO PLEASE, SIGN YOUR EMAILS If you find you get bumped again, it is suggested that you get a freebie email address from a company that is not listed above and use it strictly for emails from the list. I will try to keep on top of this problem and advise you accordingly. Stu___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I don't think there's an adequate way to tell you how grateful we are for your continued efforts on behalf of this - the CC community you built - especially given such personal hardships, IT hassles, and the fact that you recently retired from being an owner yourself. I for one could not keep her sailing safely and well without you and the combined expertise of the many people you have brought together here. Nate Flesness Sarah Jean 1980 30-1 on the cold hard at Siskiwit Bay Marina (where the snow is finally ending) Lake Superior On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.comwrote: Yesterday, approximately 125 members received notices saying their subscriptions had been cancelled due to excessive or fatal bounces. Unfortunately, I was in the hospital having cataract surgery and trying to read the messages and reply to them was very difficult – I was blind in one eye and could not see out the other one. At least today, one eye is working. Yesterday’s problems were not with the list but with the ISP’s involved. It is mainly a Yahoo problem (right now) but includes: comcast, hotmail, AOL, Ameritech, Sympatico, Rogers, Bell, Reinardy, Live, Wbryant, Outlook, MSN, SBCGlobal, Acesdirect, Netscape, SNet, ATT and probably a bunch of others. I am in the process of resetting everyone’s subscriptions so that they receive mail and am working with our List Hosting Company to overcome these problems. In order to get around Yahoo’s problem, you will notice the “From” box on your emails, says “via CnC-List” instead of the sender’s name. SO PLEASE, SIGN YOUR EMAILS If you find you get bumped again, it is suggested that you get a freebie email address from a company that is not listed above and use it strictly for emails from the list. I will try to keep on top of this problem and advise you accordingly. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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What if we were I subscribed and started getting w-mails again? Can you please unsubscribe us? Sent from my iPhone On May 1, 2014, at 3:53 PM, Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Yesterday, approximately 125 members received notices saying their subscriptions had been cancelled due to excessive or fatal bounces. Unfortunately, I was in the hospital having cataract surgery and trying to read the messages and reply to them was very difficult – I was blind in one eye and could not see out the other one. At least today, one eye is working. Yesterday’s problems were not with the list but with the ISP’s involved. It is mainly a Yahoo problem (right now) but includes: comcast, hotmail, AOL, Ameritech, Sympatico, Rogers, Bell, Reinardy, Live, Wbryant, Outlook, MSN, SBCGlobal, Acesdirect, Netscape, SNet, ATT and probably a bunch of others. I am in the process of resetting everyone’s subscriptions so that they receive mail and am working with our List Hosting Company to overcome these problems. In order to get around Yahoo’s problem, you will notice the “From” box on your emails, says “via CnC-List” instead of the sender’s name. SO PLEASE, SIGN YOUR EMAILS If you find you get bumped again, it is suggested that you get a freebie email address from a company that is not listed above and use it strictly for emails from the list. I will try to keep on top of this problem and advise you accordingly. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Can someone with knowledge explain difference between group 27 and 31 batteries. Will 31s fit in same box as 27s? Thanks. Need to replace house this year. Bill Walker C n C 36 Sent from my HTC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Maybe depending on the box but they are not the same size (very close). 31’s are a hair bigger in all directions. I tried 31’s on the molded platform on my 121 - they missed by about 1/8” John On May 1, 2014, at 5:28 PM, wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can someone with knowledge explain difference between group 27 and 31 batteries. Will 31s fit in same box as 27s? Thanks. Need to replace house this year. Bill Walker C n C 36 Sent from my HTC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Batterys and boxes. 31's fit into the old boxes when I removed the 27s. The boxes were circa 1989. White with red covers. The first West Marine AGM 27 went bad after 9 years. The second lasted 12, but we don't strain 'em much. (shorthand for don't overnight on the boat very often.) Replaced each with AGM 31s from Sears, more amp hours and they fit and they had em on sale. The batteries live year round on the boat and get charged via the engine alternator and occasionally conditioned by a little charger installed for that purpose. I plug in the charger once a month thru the winter, while at the boat and maybe for a few hours the night before a cruise. Really seems to help. I setup the boat to be on a mooring, so added a half dozen battery powered LED puck style lights that get used quite a lot. I put something similar in the ice box and the batteries seem to last a whole season. Chuck Resolute 1990 CC 34R Atlantic City, NJ - Original Message - From: John Pennie via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: wwadjo...@aol.com, cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 5:36:59 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Batteries Maybe depending on the box but they are not the same size (very close). 31’s are a hair bigger in all directions. I tried 31’s on the molded platform on my 121 - they missed by about 1/8” John On May 1, 2014, at 5:28 PM, wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can someone with knowledge explain difference between group 27 and 31 batteries. Will 31s fit in same box as 27s? Thanks. Need to replace house this year. Bill Walker C n C 36 Sent from my HTC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Stu, I'm good now. Thanks for all you do for us. From: Stu via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: CC Email List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 3:53:03 PM Subject: Stus-List List Problems Yesterday, approximately 125 members received notices saying their subscriptions had been cancelled due to excessive or fatal bounces. Unfortunately, I was in the hospital having cataract surgery and trying to read the messages and reply to them was very difficult – I was blind in one eye and could not see out the other one. At least today, one eye is working. Yesterday’s problems were not with the list but with the ISP’s involved. It is mainly a Yahoo problem (right now) but includes: comcast, hotmail, AOL, Ameritech, Sympatico, Rogers, Bell, Reinardy, Live, Wbryant, Outlook, MSN, SBCGlobal, Acesdirect, Netscape, SNet, ATT and probably a bunch of others. I am in the process of resetting everyone’s subscriptions so that they receive mail and am working with our List Hosting Company to overcome these problems. In order to get around Yahoo’s problem, you will notice the “From” box on your emails, says “via CnC-List” instead of the sender’s name. SO PLEASE, SIGN YOUR EMAILS If you find you get bumped again, it is suggested that you get a freebie email address from a company that is not listed above and use it strictly for emails from the list. I will try to keep on top of this problem and advise you accordingly. Stu ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/ CnC-List@cnc-list.com___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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The Battery Council International (BCI) group number is a specification for the physical dimensions, terminal type, voltage, and terminal placement of a battery. All BCI 31 batteries will be close to the same size, will have the same terminals, and the same voltage. Capacity construction and chemistry are up to the manufacturer. A 31 and a 27 are slightly different size. IIRC the footprint of a 31 is only slightly longer than the footprint of a 27, but the 31 is substantially taller. Any retailer who sells batteries will have a BCI manual, since it contains the list of what battery size goes into each car, truck, motorcycle, RV, tractor, etc. model. A31 is generally a diesel starting battery, higher in capacity than a 27 starting battery, intended for installation in over the road trucks. Think of it as a smaller alternative to a 4D or 8D. Big truck diesels need starting current in the range of 900-1100 amps. You would commonly find 2 or more in the battery box of a truck. My 36hp Westerbeake diesel needs 175 amps starting current. Total amp hour capacity means more time on the hook so capacity is more important to me than starting current, so all my batteries are deep cycle. Because of certain factors in battery construction, more cranking amps generally means less amp hour capacity, and vice versa. Since my battery compartment is not tall enough for a bank of 6 volt golf cart batteries (which have a lot more capacity than any 12 volt automotive type) or a deep cycle version of a 31 (which I think is actually a group 29, but I may not remember correctly) I use group 27 deep cycle batteries with 120 Ah capacity for the boat - 4 for the house bank and 1 for starting. The 27 deep cycles I use give about 400 cold cranking amps, which is way more than needed to start the engine. I also have a smaller group 24 deep cycle ( 84AH ) under the v berth dedicated to the anchor windlass and Lectra-San. Think about what your requirements are, and your priorities for the batteries. Measure the space you have available. Then go to Auto Zone, Walmart, or Canadian Tire to see what will fit in the BCI manual they should have posted near the battery rack. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On May 1, 2014, at 17:28, wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Can someone with knowledge explain difference between group 27 and 31 batteries. Will 31s fit in same box as 27s? Thanks. Need to replace house this year. Bill Walker C n C 36 Sent from my HTC ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I am a member of the cc list and I am receiving copies of all e-mails. Please don't sent them to me as I don't want them. It is clogging up my e-mail etc Glenn Gambel Wind N Spirits cc 36___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Thanks to all on battery info. Helps Bill Walker. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: wwadjo...@aol.com via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-ListBatteries Date: Thu, May 1, 2014 5:28 PM Can someone with knowledge explain difference between group 27 and 31 batteries. Will 31s fit in same box as 27s? Thanks. Need to replace house this year. Bill Walker C n C 36 Sent from my HTC___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Zinc chromate applied to sanded metal helps the next layer to adhere. -Original Message- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-05-01 2:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Fairing I'm assuming it's a lead keel. I did spot repairs on my lead keel in 2003, and it was a good idea but didn't take. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0307/haul.htm Perhaps I messed up. A few years later I stripped the whole thing down and reworked it from bare lead, and that has been perfect ever since. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0604/index.htm Now, I can honestly say that the best way to deal with exposed lead is to sand it down clean and immediately sand resin into the lead. Then prime and paint. Wal you wrote: While scraping and sanding the hull of our 30mk1 I knocked out a couple of (fairly?) large chunks of fairing on the keel. I can see metal. Can anyone advise me on the proper repair procedure please? Should I grind it all off or patch? What should I use? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Oxidation is the enemy here. Once you sand down to bare (bright) metal, oxidation begins immediately. Another trick similar to Wally's suggestion is to sand to bright metal then immediately apply epoxy or resin with a ScotchBrite pad saturated with resin or epoxy. The idea is to rub the oxidation off with the rough pad while SIMULTANEOUSLY applying the resin so the metal is not exposed to the air. Once you have protected the metal from contact with air, you're good to go with your fairing. For minor fairing you can use AwlFair or 3M Premium Filler. For deeper spots start with 3M High Strength Filler then smooth with the lighter fillers. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:05 PM, John Irvin via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Zinc chromate applied to sanded metal helps the next layer to adhere. -- From: Wally Bryant via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2014-05-01 2:39 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel Fairing I'm assuming it's a lead keel. I did spot repairs on my lead keel in 2003, and it was a good idea but didn't take. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0307/haul.htm Perhaps I messed up. A few years later I stripped the whole thing down and reworked it from bare lead, and that has been perfect ever since. http://www.wbryant.com/StellaBoat/hauls/0604/index.htm Now, I can honestly say that the best way to deal with exposed lead is to sand it down clean and immediately sand resin into the lead. Then prime and paint. Wal you wrote: While scraping and sanding the hull of our 30mk1 I knocked out a couple of (fairly?) large chunks of fairing on the keel. I can see metal. Can anyone advise me on the proper repair procedure please? Should I grind it all off or patch? What should I use? ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Wal Yes, lead it is. You wrote Now, I can honestly say that the best way to deal with exposed lead is to sand it down clean and immediately sand resin into the lead. Then prime and paint. By resin, do you mean epoxy resin as in West 105? I'm pretty ignorant. Thanks Derek Tortuga, 30/1 Ballantyne's Cove, NS ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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Derek, West 105 or the System Three equivalent should work fine. To be picky, epoxy is epoxy and polyester or vinylester resin is resin. However, for most applications epoxy works fine. Resin is cheaper and is typically used if you're going to apply gelcoat on top. Most believe epoxy provides stronger bonding to the underlying strata. In your case, you want the bonding so epoxy will work. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Tortuga via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.comwrote: Wal Yes, lead it is. You wrote Now, I can honestly say that the best way to deal with exposed lead is to sand it down clean and immediately sand resin into the lead. Then prime and paint. By resin, do you mean epoxy resin as in West 105? I'm pretty ignorant. Thanks Derek Tortuga, 30/1 Ballantyne's Cove, NS ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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I'm a total fan of zinc chromate, but lead is different. Every bit of aluminum on Stella Blue has a coat of zinc chromate primer. But under the waterline, on bronze and lead, zinc chromate does not work. Wal you wrote: Zinc chromate applied to sanded metal helps the next layer to adhere. ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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you wrote: By resin, do you mean epoxy resin as in West 105? I'm pretty ignorant. I used Epoxy, but believe that a polyester/vinylester resin would work fine as well. I just used what I was comfortable with, because I didn't want to make a learning experience out of it. Some of my learning experiences have been spectacular. VBG Here in Mexico, quality epoxy resins are even more expensive than up north, but polyester resin is cheap as water. So I've learned a thing or two. Note that down here you get what you pay for (batteries cost half as much but have half the capacity and last half as long, etc.) So I haven't used cheap resin for anything structural. I once was a big fan of west system epoxy, because that was the best available at the time. New resins have been developed that work as well and don't have amine blush. I also became really annoyed at West System when they changed the pumps from metal to plastic, because it seemed like I was breaking a pump every two months and began to think they were making more money selling pump kits than they made selling epoxy. Wal ___ This List is provided by the CC Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
