Re: Stus-List Stove
Which stove won From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 12:51 PM To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove 25 years ago, my family had a big party with lobster for twenty people. To cook all that lobster at one time, my father-in-law got all of his boat and camping stoves together in the kitchen and had an impromptu race to boil water to cook the twenty 1.5# lobster. We had a kerosene stove and an alcohol stove and white gas camping stove, and also used the house's natural gas stove. It was fun to learn how to safely light all of these different kinds and with various sized pots we had a totally uncontrolled experiment, but a lot of fun. We waited for all of the pots to be boiling, and then steamed the lobster and had an amazing dinner laughing about our crazy test. I think all cook w fire equipment can be used safely, if used properly. Chuck _ From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 8:01:33 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. _ From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
25 years ago, my family had a big party with lobster for twenty people. To cook all that lobster at one time, my father-in-law got all of his boat and camping stoves together in the kitchen and had an impromptu race to boil water to cook the twenty 1.5# lobster. We had a kerosene stove and an alcohol stove and white gas camping stove, and also used the house's natural gas stove. It was fun to learn how to safely light all of these different kinds and with various sized pots we had a totally uncontrolled experiment, but a lot of fun. We waited for all of the pots to be boiling, and then steamed the lobster and had an amazing dinner laughing about our crazy test. I think all cook w fire equipment can be used safely, if used properly. Chuck - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 8:01:33 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List registration in Canada
The process in Canada has been centralized to Ottawa, and now done mostly by website and email. We registered rather than licenced, and our broker (Swans) aware of the process but was not knowledgeable. Transport Canada was pretty good with walking us through the process and answered most of our questions via email and phone to help us collect all the required documents. To know if your boat has been registered, check out the TC link: http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/saf-sec-sur/4/vrqs-srib/ Jay Message: 1 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:09:47 -0800 From: Russ Melody russ...@telus.netmailto:russ...@telus.net To: Bradley Lumgair lumg...@hotmail.commailto:lumg...@hotmail.com,cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List registration in Canada Message-ID: mailman.8.1425747604.19919.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.commailto:mailman.8.1425747604.19919.cnc-list_cnc-list@cnc-list.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; Format=flowed Hi Brad, Do you have a Ship's Registrar nearby? We are a Port of Registry and in the old days (when I did these) each POR had a Ship's Registrar. Ours was very helpful, I still remember her name, Barb. I probably have done five boats with her before she retired. I can imagine with the centralization that service has gone way downhill. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (licensed only) ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I am surprised by the complaints about alcohol stove performance. My little one burner non pressurized Electrolux works great! The flame stabilizes very quickly when it warms up. Not much of a problem with handling a reasonable draft and gets my 12-cup percolator perking very quickly. IMO it is safer than propane for a variety of reasons and since my stove is directly under my companionway hatch it is easy to vent the moist air created by the stove. Also very efficient. From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck S via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 12:51 PM To: Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove 25 years ago, my family had a big party with lobster for twenty people. To cook all that lobster at one time, my father-in-law got all of his boat and camping stoves together in the kitchen and had an impromptu race to boil water to cook the twenty 1.5# lobster. We had a kerosene stove and an alcohol stove and white gas camping stove, and also used the house's natural gas stove. It was fun to learn how to safely light all of these different kinds and with various sized pots we had a totally uncontrolled experiment, but a lot of fun. We waited for all of the pots to be boiling, and then steamed the lobster and had an amazing dinner laughing about our crazy test. I think all cook w fire equipment can be used safely, if used properly. Chuck _ From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 8:01:33 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. _ From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
I would imagine that a fire being fed by a pressured fuel leak of any kind would be difficult to extinguish. Propane is certainly not intrinsically better in that regard, and if it is safer in practice then it must be due to either better engineering, better operator competence, or both. Practically everyone who would purchase a sailboat has at least some experience with propane, and hopefully then at least some respect for its hazards. Not so much for alcohol. I lived for a month on a boat with an Origo non pressurized stove, and found the low heat and very poor resistance to drafts to be major flaws. I had flame shooting out from under a pot for several inches due to drafts with that stove. That was dangerous. The pressurized stoves, no matter what the fuel, are better at keeping the flame at the burner. I am only talking about stove top burners, my only experience with ovens on a sailboat is with propane, and that was limited. I just purchased a propane stove for my 27, but I do not regard it as a safer device than the Kenyon alcohol stove I have been using. It was the simplicity of operation that drove my decision. I still consider propane to be more hazardous a fuel to carry on a sailboat than alcohol, but I am willing to accept the added risk and necessarily more complicated fuel system engineering in order to have a better stove. Steve Thomas CC27 MKIII - Original Message - From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2015 08:01 Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. -- From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise -- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List registration in Canada
Hi Brad, Do you have a Ship's Registrar nearby? We are a Port of Registry and in the old days (when I did these) each POR had a Ship's Registrar. Ours was very helpful, I still remember her name, Barb. I probably have done five boats with her before she retired. I can imagine with the centralization that service has gone way downhill. Cheers, Russ Sweet 35 mk-1 (licensed only) At 07:47 PM 06/03/2015, you wrote: Now we're getting to the root of the problem, I don't have any info from the original purchaser, and the builder has gone bankrupt, what do I present to the govt. to prove whatever it is they are looking for? And what do these poor folks do in Florida when they land in a licensed boat (not registered) and don't have the paperwork to provide to register the boat in their home port in Canada? Thus far I haven't got the answer I need from transport Canada either, will be in contact again Monday Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, from my iPad! ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of John Irvin via CnC-List Sent: Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM To: Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. _ From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Electronics update
Pierre, Thanks for the LED info. Great web site and I will be ordering some stuff from the in a few weeks. John On Friday, March 6, 2015, Pierre Tremblay via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: Hi John, 1- My transducer is in front of the keel. I think this is most manufacturer recommendation. If yours is working fine, leave it there. 2- I am using marinebeam.com product for the LEDs. I have a BA9S for AquaSignal deck streaming LED light (sku BA-9S-5W), a BA9S 15 LEDs (sku BA-9S-15-CW) for Anchor light and a 44mm festoon (sku FS-44-30B-CW) for the mid mast AquaSignal navigation light. 3- I leave that to others. Pierre Tremblay Avalanche #54988 CC38-3 WK, hull #76 -- *De :* John Bousfield via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *À :* cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); cnc-list@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cnc-list@cnc-list.com'); *Envoyé le :* vendredi 6 mars 2015 8h12 *Objet :* Stus-List Electronics update Hi All, Great info being passed around. We are upgrading our instruments and have a few questions. 1. Our depth transducer is located +/_ 2 feet on center line behind the keel. Is this the normal location? 2. Has any on change the spreader and mast head lights to LEDs, and what brand would you suggest using. 3. Is anyone using a backstay radar mount. I think this is the best option. Currently it is on a pole with two ugly braces that interfere with the swim ladder. For those using the backstay mount any issues? Thanks John Marjolein 1979 CC 36 Dutch Girl Oh forgot anyone know the PHRF rating to the 36? ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','CnC-List@cnc-list.com'); To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List spinnaker pole, trending to whisker pole
You already have the straight skinny from others. I loaned my whisker pole to another CC owner for a race he was doing, and it came back bent. If you decide to part with your whisker pole, let us know where yo are and how long the pole. Some of us would probably be interested in buying it. Rick Brass Sent from my iPad On Mar 6, 2015, at 21:07, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote: I have a spinnaker pole onboard as well as a Forespar adjustable whisker pole, both stored on deck. Could I not just use the whisker pole at the allowable (14') length for a spinnaker pole and get rid of the spin pole altogether? For PhRf racing. Barbara Hickson Fellers ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List registration in Canada
Oh yeah. One more thing. I suggest you check around with a couple of boat brokers. Some of these guys must know someone who knows their way around this landscape. Cheers, Russ At 07:47 PM 06/03/2015, you wrote: Now we're getting to the root of the problem, I don't have any info from the original purchaser, and the builder has gone bankrupt, what do I present to the govt. to prove whatever it is they are looking for? And what do these poor folks do in Florida when they land in a licensed boat (not registered) and don't have the paperwork to provide to register the boat in their home port in Canada? Thus far I haven't got the answer I need from transport Canada either, will be in contact again Monday ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
There is a reason that although there are plenty of non-pressurized stoves still made, nobody makes pressurized models any longer. They have a bad track record. Companies do not want to be sued for making and selling a product known to be problematic. That is the bottom line. BoatUS has written about the problems. Pressurized alcohol stoves are responsible for more than their fair share of boat fires when compared to all other stoves, and fire safety in general. This is not a secret that I am revealing for the first time from a mysterious cave in the mountains. :-) Bill Bina On 3/6/2015 10:16 PM, John Irvin wrote: Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. From: Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List Sent: 2015-03-06 11:55 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the "hot" items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8" high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List documentation of yacht....
in this part of worldvancouver islandthe register of shipping is located in victoria b cis a federal agency..in canada...the registar is most helpful in victoria .have been helped by her replys etc. have been prompt accurate.hard to believe how well this agency operates compared to many cdn gov agencies... she can look after other ports as well..halifax etc cc REDLINE 41 m 1968vancouvrer island bc ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Stove
The key word that keeps getting overlooked in many response to this thread is P R E S S U R I Z E D. Pressurized alcohol stoves are notorious for causing boat and RV fires, which is why insurance companies do not like them, and new boats or RV's do not have them, even as an option. Non-pressurized alcohol stoves such as the Origo are a very different animal as far as safety, and insurance companies policies. Bill Bina On 3/7/2015 3:50 PM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Interesting discussion on 'stoves'.. which were designed for cooking. However, I will confess that after 8 years, I have used my 2 burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove to heat the cabin and make me comfortable while swinging on the mooring than I have used to make coffee. And it is so simple. Did a Marblehead - Halifax race on a 1985 CC 33 MKII and the only heat we had was when the propane stove and/or oven was going to cook. When I am in the dark, in the middle of the Bay of Fundy at 3:00 am shift change, it's wet and cold, I am wet and cold..I really could care less what type of heat I am getting as long as I am getting heat and I can get dry. Then I can look forward to a hot coffee and hot meal and what the stove was designed for. BTW, the 33 stove/oven was propanewe had 2 full 10 lb. tanks, and we needed all of the 2 tanks..especially when we were making excuses to make coffee just to get some heat. We installed a new 'propane detection monitor' very low in the boat before the race and had all connections and hoses checked. The 'stove thread' caused me to read my recent 'boat survey' .the surveyor noted that the stove was "Origo" but did not state how it was fueled. Probably doesn't matter to the insurance company whether I am using the stove to heat my cabin or make coffee. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-03-07 2:10 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List wrote: I am surprised by the complaints about alcohol stove performance. My little one burner non pressurized Electrolux works great! The flame stabilizes very quickly when it warms up. Not much of a problem with handling a reasonable draft and gets my 12-cup percolator perking very quickly. IMO it is safer than propane for a variety of reasons and since my stove is directly under my companionway hatch it is easy to vent the moist air created by the stove. Also very efficient. From: "Joe Della Barba via CnC-List" cnc-list@cnc-list.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2015 8:01:33 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Stus-List Stove
Interesting discussion on 'stoves'.. which were designed for cooking. However, I will confess that after 8 years, I have used my 2 burner Origo non-pressurized alcohol stove to heat the cabin and make me comfortable while swinging on the mooring than I have used to make coffee. And it is so simple. Did a Marblehead - Halifax race on a 1985 CC 33 MKII and the only heat we had was when the propane stove and/or oven was going to cook. When I am in the dark, in the middle of the Bay of Fundy at 3:00 am shift change, it's wet and cold, I am wet and cold..I really could care less what type of heat I am getting as long as I am getting heat and I can get dry. Then I can look forward to a hot coffee and hot meal and what the stove was designed for. BTW, the 33 stove/oven was propanewe had 2 full 10 lb. tanks, and we needed all of the 2 tanks..especially when we were making excuses to make coffee just to get some heat. We installed a new 'propane detection monitor' very low in the boat before the race and had all connections and hoses checked. The 'stove thread' caused me to read my recent 'boat survey' .the surveyor noted that the stove was Origo but did not state how it was fueled. Probably doesn't matter to the insurance company whether I am using the stove to heat my cabin or make coffee. Rob Abbott AZURA CC 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. On 2015-03-07 2:10 PM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List wrote: I am surprised by the complaints about alcohol stove performance. My little one burner non pressurized Electrolux works great! The flame stabilizes very quickly when it warms up. Not much of a problem with handling a reasonable draft and gets my 12-cup percolator perking very quickly. IMO it is safer than propane for a variety of reasons and since my stove is directly under my companionway hatch it is easy to vent the moist air created by the stove. Also very efficient. *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck S via CnC-List *Sent:* Saturday, March 07, 2015 12:51 PM *To:* Joe Della Barba; CNC boat owners, cnc-list *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove 25 years ago, my family had a big party with lobster for twenty people. To cook all that lobster at one time, my father-in-law got all of his boat and camping stoves together in the kitchen and had an impromptu race to boil water to cook the twenty 1.5# lobster. We had a kerosene stove and an alcohol stove and white gas camping stove, and also used the house's natural gas stove. It was fun to learn how to safely light all of these different kinds and with various sized pots we had a totally uncontrolled experiment, but a lot of fun. We waited for all of the pots to be boiling, and then steamed the lobster and had an amazing dinner laughing about our crazy test. I think all cook w fire equipment can be used safely, if used properly. Chuck *From: *Joe Della Barba via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *Saturday, March 7, 2015 8:01:33 AM *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Stove Have you ever actually tried that? Any significant pressure leak and you won’t be able to get anyplace near the stove. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com mailto:j...@dellabarba.com Coquina *From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *John Irvin via CnC-List *Sent:* Friday, March 06, 2015 10:17 PM *To:* Bill Bina - gmail; cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Stove Alcohol stove fires can easily be extinguished with water Surely a plus. *From: *Bill Bina - gmail via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Sent: *2015-03-06 11:55 AM *To: *cnc-list@cnc-list.com mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Stove You would have also discovered that many insurance companies will not insure a boat with a pressurized alcohol stove. They go strictly by the numbers, and those stoves have a very bad track record for claims. It is one of the hot items they look for in the insurance survey. The other issue with alcohol is that the flames it makes are virtually invisible, which can also lead to unintended consequences. Bill Bina On 3/5/2015 10:14 PM, John McKay via CnC-List wrote: An question from another new CC 33 MK II owner. I have been trying to get the original Hillerange two burner pressure alcohol stove working, and it scares me. One burner lights, flame is blue but not adjustable. The other sounds like a jet engine and burns about 8 high. Made an easy decision to scrap this. Any suggestions about a new stove top would be appreciated John from Enterprise ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
