Re: Stus-List Searching Stus List C&C archives,

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

On 15 March 2015 at 19:56, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Someone may happily answer it.


Or we may heap abuse on the questioner. Some days it's a crap shoot.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Stus-List New LF38 owner and blog

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

Hi,

I just wanted to introduce myself to the group since I'll probably be
posting a few questions here soon - this group is super helpful!

My fiancee and I are new LF38 owners in Seattle, and are keeping a blog
here:

www.svviolethour.com

Feel free to subscribe and follow along!

-Patrick
C&C 38 Landfall
Seattle, WA
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Re: Stus-List Searching Stus List C&C archives,

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Don said it nicely below.  Go to the bottom link (bookmark it).  The
archives have a search field.  Try it.

For instance, searching on "throttle cable" brings up a bunch of threads.

If you don't find the info you need, simply post your question to the
list.  Someone may happily answer it.

Dennis C.

On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Don Harben 
wrote:

> I just put the small pebbles in my brain together trying to find some gems
> in the list from days gone by. Of course the conversations are searchable
> archived at The Mail Archive.
> https://www.mail-archive.com
> specifically at:
> https://www.mail-archive.com/cnc-list@cnc-list.com/
>
> Excess content trimmed.
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Stus-List stus-list etiquette

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

an etiquette list and "how to" would be appreciated for those of us who are 
"internet challenged" I've made my share of blank and multi message posts. How 
to search for info would also help some of us
Thanks
Brad
1985 C&C 33 Mk II

Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, 
from my iPad!
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Re: Stus-List IMAP vs. POP (was: Email List or Forum)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Warning: not C&C or even sailing related.

 

If you switch to IMAP (from POP3) you lose the ability to read off-line -
for some this might be useful.

 

If you use the "recent" tag on your Gmail, it synchronises quite nicely.

 

Marek

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street via CnC-List
Sent: March-15-15 10:29
To: Indigo; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

Jonathan - you're right.  Setting your mail client up as IMAP rather than as
a POP client means that all messages will stay on the email server, and then
be copied to all IMAP clients of that account when they connect.  I've got
my Gmail account set up that way on my MacBook Pro, iPhone and iPad, and
everything stays synchronized; so it appears to work for Google Mail.  I've
also got several personal and work email accounts set up that way.

 

With POP, as soon as a client connects, the message is downloaded from the
server to that client only; there's no good way to keep things synchronized.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Indigo via CnC-List 
wrote:





I am no expert - but believe you have to set up your email account as an
IMAP account rather than POP3. With IMAP, the various mail clients are
synchronized so that if you delete an email on one device, it is deleted
from all. (I have 4 devices from which I can read / send emails - so it was
critical for me to have this feature). I don't use gmail - I have my own
domain with godaddy and it was not difficult to set the account as IMAP -
not sure if gmail can be so easily configured

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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

 

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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Indigo via CnC-List]

Close. Does not have to be all Apple products to sync with IMAP. I have Outlook 
on my home PC, and on my work Laptop. I have an iPhone and an IPad mini.  All 
retrieve emails from the server, but if I delete an email on one device, it 
will be deleted on all the others. Likewise I can see "sent" messages that were 
sent from one device, on all others. 

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> On Mar 15, 2015, at 21:44, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> What I understand you to be saying, though, is that with all Apple devices, 
> and with all set up on an IMAP account, you can look at the messages you have 
> on any of the devices. And when you delete a message after looking at it on 
> the IPad, you will not see it again on the phone, MacBook, etc.?
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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

The idea is that, when the boat is heeled, a portion of the hose from the 
leeward scupper to the windward through hull will be above the water level and 
will keep water from siphoning back into the cockpit.

 

The PO of my 25 had rigged the scuppers to drain straight down. When heeled, 
the low side of the cockpit filled with water. After I commented to a friend 
about this, he explained about the crossed hoses.

 

On my 38, the scuppers are high enough above water level that even with 
excessive heel in the 30 degree range, the scuppers stay above water level. The 
hoses are not crossed, but that isn’t a problem.

 

So whether it is advisable to cross the hoses or not will depend on the height 
of your cockpit sole above the waterline, and on how you sail the boat.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C&C 38 mk 2

la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Sam Salter 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

 

Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go 
straight down, and work fine.

I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain 
will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well.

 

So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains?

 

sam :-)

C&C 26  Liquorice

Ghost Lake  Alberta

 


On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that 
way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. 

 

Brent

27-5

Lake Winnipeg. 



Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
during a thaw earlier this winter.

 

Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.

 

john from Enterprise.

 

 

On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was 
a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any 
event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced with 
steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type 
hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the 
water to drain off, no ice.

 

Mike Amirault

C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"

St Margarets Bay, N.S.


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Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Actually that is not strictly true. My laptop, using Outlook, is set to
remove messages from the POP server. It is a setting you chose when setting
up the email account.

 

I also use whatever email client comes standard on my IPad. When I set up
the mail account on it, I chose the setting to not delete messages when
downloaded.

 

That way I see all the messages on my laptop and can chose which to archive,
delete, etc. The SPAM blocker for either Windows or MacAfee seems to work a
lot better than twhatever is on the IPad, so I get a lot fewer letters from
Nigerian royalty and folks in Russia with a miracle cure for my diabetes.

 

I do need to keep my IPad turned off (as opposed to sleep mode) so it does
not periodically download messages on the server. But when I am on the boat
or carrying only the IPad, I turn it on and it downloads whatever messages
are on the server - and leaves them there to be downloaded on the laptop at
some later time. 

 

What I understand you to be saying, though, is that with all Apple devices,
and with all set up on an IMAP account, you can look at the messages you
have on any of the devices. And when you delete a message after looking at
it on the IPad, you will not see it again on the phone, MacBook, etc.?

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Frederick
G Street via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:29 AM
To: Indigo; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

 

 

With POP, as soon as a client connects, the message is downloaded from the
server to that client only; there's no good way to keep things synchronized.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

 

On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Indigo via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:





I am no expert - but believe you have to set up your email account as an
IMAP account rather than POP3. With IMAP, the various mail clients are
synchronized so that if you delete an email on one device, it is deleted
from all. (I have 4 devices from which I can read / send emails - so it was
critical for me to have this feature). I don't use gmail - I have my own
domain with godaddy and it was not difficult to set the account as IMAP -
not sure if gmail can be so easily configured

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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

 

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Stus-List Email List

[Stu via CnC-List]

Thanks for everyone's responses to the list vs a Forum.  As the old saying 
goes: "You can satisfy some of the people some of the time  etc, etc.  I 
think is was proven here.

The majority appear to prefer this list for whatever reason --  and your 
reasons were all good.  The same can be said about a forum.  Each has good 
and bad.  But for now, since it ain't broke -- there is no fixing.

A lot of indicated that there were improvements that we could make to the 
list.  But none of these are something that can be handled by the 
program(s).  It is the members that need the improvement.

Here is my next suggestion:  send an email to the list with improvements 
that our subscribers can make to improve their "List Etiquette".  It doesn't 
matter how trivial it appears to you, it may be a major concern to others.

Now, I will ask 1 or 2 members to assist me to compile these emails into a 
document 
(Word, PDF, or email) that can be sent out in whole or part to new members 
and existing members who appear to cross the line.  We don't want to lose 
members, just try to educate them.

If we have some members who have a particular email address and/or program
that they simply adore, let us know which one it is and how you tweaked it.

I think we can close the original thread now.  It certainly has been an eye 
opener for a lot of people.

Stu
Thanx again
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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Sam,

If your cockpit sole is at an elevation where the leeward drain is 
below the waterline when heeled then crossed drain hoses prevent 
water coming into the low corner and getting the binoculars and empty 
beer cans wet.


I have vertical drain hoses and no problems.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 11:01 AM 15/03/2015, you wrote:
Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, 
they go straight down, and work fine.
I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a 
crossed drain will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels 
and work less well.


So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains?

sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta

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Re: Stus-List Email client details

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Fred,

I have my email client as POP and there is a 
setting to leave messages the on server x number 
of days. I have it set to 15 days, after which 
Eudora will delete the expired messages. I guess 
that's why I still use Eudora, a good old girl 
and less virus risk than iStuff or Mac and WAY 
less risk than Outlook. No one writes code for Eudora anymore. :)


Cheers, Russ
HP Pavillion, XP sp3 (in lieu of boat reference)


At 07:29 AM 15/03/2015, you wrote:
Jonathan — you’re right.  Setting your mail 
client up as IMAP rather than as a POP client 
means that all messages will stay on the email 
server, and then be copied to all IMAP clients 
of that account when they connect.  I’ve got my 
Gmail account set up that way on my MacBook Pro, 
iPhone and iPad, and everything stays 
synchronized; so it appears to work for Google 
Mail.  I’ve also got several personal and work email accounts set up that way.


With POP, as soon as a client connects, the 
message is downloaded from the server to that 
client only; there’s no good way to keep things synchronized.


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Indigo via 
CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


I am no expert - but believe you have to set up 
your email account as an IMAP account rather 
than POP3. With IMAP, the various mail clients 
are synchronized so that if you delete an email 
on one device, it is deleted from all. (I have 
4 devices from which I can read / send emails - 
so it was critical for me to have this 
feature). I don't use gmail - I have my own 
domain with godaddy and it was not difficult to 
set the account as IMAP - not sure if gmail can be so easily configured


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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT
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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

Changing the subject slightly, my cockpit drains are not crossed, they go 
straight down, and work fine.
I don't get the theory of crossing drains. Seems to me that a crossed drain 
will start to approach horizontal as the boat heels and work less well.

So what's the logic behind crossed cockpit drains?

sam :-)
C&C 26  Liquorice
Ghost Lake  Alberta


On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List  
wrote:

> C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that 
> way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. 
> 
> Brent
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
>> during a thaw earlier this winter.
>> 
>> Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.
>> 
>> john from Enterprise.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
>> frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there 
>> was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
>> originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In 
>> any event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced 
>> with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed 
>> sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, 
>> they always allow the water to drain off, no ice.
>>  
>> Mike Amirault
>> C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"
>> St Margarets Bay, N.S.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I like the idea of wire reinforced hose on through hulls, especiall cockpit 
drains that I never close. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Lake Erie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brent Driedger via CnC-List 
  To: John McKay ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: mike amirault 
  Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 13:38
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved


  C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that 
way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. 


  Brent
  27-5
  Lake Winnipeg. 


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List  
wrote:


I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
during a thaw earlier this winter.


Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.


john from Enterprise.





On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
 wrote:




A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was 
a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any 
event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced with 
steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type 
hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the 
water to drain off, no ice.

Mike Amirault
C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"
St Margarets Bay, N.S.

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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

Most things crack after 35 years or so!

sam :-)

On 2015-03-15, at 11:38 AM, Brent Driedger via CnC-List  
wrote:

> C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that 
> way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. 
> 
> Brent
> 27-5
> Lake Winnipeg. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
>> I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
>> during a thaw earlier this winter.
>> 
>> Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.
>> 
>> john from Enterprise.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
>> frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there 
>> was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
>> originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In 
>> any event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced 
>> with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed 
>> sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, 
>> they always allow the water to drain off, no ice.
>>  
>> Mike Amirault
>> C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"
>> St Margarets Bay, N.S.
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[Brent Driedger via CnC-List]

C&C must have bought miles of that stuff. Every line in my boat was done that 
way. Sanitary, drains, vents exhaust pipe. And it all cracked. 

Brent
27-5
Lake Winnipeg. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2015, at 9:25 AM, John McKay via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
> during a thaw earlier this winter.
> 
> Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.
> 
> john from Enterprise.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
> frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there 
> was a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
> originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In 
> any event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced 
> with steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed 
> sanitation type hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they 
> always allow the water to drain off, no ice.
>  
> Mike Amirault
> C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"
> St Margarets Bay, N.S.
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Re: Stus-List Chart Help

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — any chance you could make some passes ahead of time in a dinghy with a 
hand-held depth sounder like one of these:

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|344|2028688|2028746&id=2571459

Or better yet, a portable fishfinder.  This would help you get an idea of 
what’s really there.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 15, 2015, at 11:19 AM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
wrote:

> So in a few weeks I’ll be bringing a fairly deep draft boat (6-1/2’) into an 
> area not really designed for fairly deep boats (canal in my condo complex).  
> The approach is the issue, not the canal.  Local knowledge is none as it is 
> primarily shallow powerboats in the canal.  Water depth on the approach looks 
> fine on the chart at 10-14’ but this is New York harbor so who really knows 
> what it is today (g).  Two obstructions are listed - submerged pilings and a 
> distributed wreck.  What is the norm for charting depths around these 
> obstructions?  How would one know what the water depth is over the wreck?  
> You’d think I’d know this by now but in the past I always had the luxury of 
> just steering around them!
> 
> 
> John

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Stus-List Chart Help

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

So in a few weeks I’ll be bringing a fairly deep draft boat (6-1/2’) into an 
area not really designed for fairly deep boats (canal in my condo complex).  
The approach is the issue, not the canal.  Local knowledge is none as it is 
primarily shallow powerboats in the canal.  Water depth on the approach looks 
fine on the chart at 10-14’ but this is New York harbor so who really knows 
what it is today (g).  Two obstructions are listed - submerged pilings and a 
distributed wreck.  What is the norm for charting depths around these 
obstructions?  How would one know what the water depth is over the wreck?  
You’d think I’d know this by now but in the past I always had the luxury of 
just steering around them!


John


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Stus-List Lifelines

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

All,

Both ISAF and USSailing are banning dyneema lifelines for offshore
races because they have failed due to chafe on a few boats.  USSailing is
allowing them this year.

I've seen no sign of chafe after 2 seasons.
If I'm doing the Bermuda race again I'll be making a lot of soft shackles
from my lifelines next winter!

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


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Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

They could disagree, but I was on the boat and the chain was taught.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

CRYC

From: Eric Baumes [mailto:eric.bau...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 11:22 PM
To: Joe Della Barba; cnc-list
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

 

A lot of harbour masters on the East Coast would disagree with you. I am in 
12-15' of water with 30' of 1" bottom chain and 15' of 5/8" top chain and 18' 
of pendants. It takes a lot to lift the bottom chain.

 

Mooring rigs are designed to operate with much shorter scope than an anchor. 
With a rode of 150' the shock loading is distributed over much more line. If 
all your elasticity is in 20' of stretchy line, it may over heat and fail. We 
saw this during the hurricane, and thus advised against nylon pendants in favor 
of low stretch pendants and increased the weight of the chain, thus increasing 
the catenary.

 

Eric

 

On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I wouldn’t be so sure about the catenary providing much shock absorption. In 
about 30 knots of wind my mooring chain is pretty much stretched out taught. I 
have 30 feet of chain in 12 feet of water. Speaking of stretch, in Hurricane 
Charlie we had 150 feet of ½” nylon in 10 feet of water. It was like being on a 
giant rubber band :) In the morning the anchor was dug in so deep we needed a 
CG patrol boat to help get it loose :( From the looks of the line the anchor 
was at least *6 feet* under!

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina

WWW.CRYC.ORG  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Rick Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:59 PM
To: 'Paul Baker'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

 

Like some of the others, I suspected your plan to use at least ¾” pendants to 
be overkill for a 27 foot boat. 

 

Someone else pointed out that you want some stretch to cushion the shock and ¾” 
line will have no stretch to speak of at the loads your boat will generate. But 
the desirability of stretch is more appropriate for an anchor rode and not a 
mooring pendant. At a mooring, the cushioning is a result of the extra chain 
and catenary between the mooring ball and anchor; your pendant would probably 
only have a few inches of stretch over its relatively short length.

 

To see if ¾” line is really overkill, I spent a few minutes doing research on 
the Boat US site, Fortress and Mantus anchors sites, and a site having 
engineering standards for different types of rope.

 

There is an ABYC table on the Boat/US site showing the following for the 
estimated load on an anchor and rode based on boat size and wind speed. The 
data is:

 

Wind Speed 30kt  42kt  60kt

  Working   storm   
violent storm

Boat size

25’490lb980lb
1440lb

30’700lb1400lb  
2800lb

35’900lb1800lb  
3600lb

These numbers are pretty consistent with what I found on the sites for the 
anchor companies for anchor load numbers.

 

The rope specs show the following for minimum break strength for medium lay 
3-strand nylon:

7/16” ½”  9/16” 5/8”   ¾”

4320lb   5670lb   7200lb   8910lb   12780lb

 

Recommendations vary on the working load to max break strength ratio. As low as 
3:1, 4:1 seems common, but Mantus says 8:1.

At 4:1 the working loads are: 7/16”= 1080  ½”=1420  
9/16”=18005/8”=2230   ¾”=3195

At 8:1 540  
710   900  1115 
1600

 

For boats anchoring in 30 knots of wind, Mantus and others recommend:

20-30’ & 11000pounds9/16

30-35’ & 15000 ½

35-40’ & 2 5/8

 

West marine suggests 1/8” of diameter for each 8’ of length for heavy boats 
with high windage. So for a 32’ boat that would be that would be ½” diameter. 
Add another 1/8” for storm conditions. 

Boat/US recommends the following in 30kts.: 25’ boat=3/8”, 30’=7/16”, 35’=1/2”. 
But, hey, they’re mostly talking to power boaters.

 

On one of the sites there was a note that deck cleats are generally installed 
in such a way as to resist a minimum 3400 pound load. I don’t know if that is 
some sort of standard or just an observation.

 

You plan to run a single pendant, with a  somewhat longer backup in case the 
first breaks. For a 30’ boat, at 4:1 safety factor, at 42kt winds, it looks 

Re: Stus-List Email List or Forum

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

Jonathan — you’re right.  Setting your mail client up as IMAP rather than as a 
POP client means that all messages will stay on the email server, and then be 
copied to all IMAP clients of that account when they connect.  I’ve got my 
Gmail account set up that way on my MacBook Pro, iPhone and iPad, and 
everything stays synchronized; so it appears to work for Google Mail.  I’ve 
also got several personal and work email accounts set up that way.

With POP, as soon as a client connects, the message is downloaded from the 
server to that client only; there’s no good way to keep things synchronized.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

On Mar 14, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Indigo via CnC-List  wrote:

> I am no expert - but believe you have to set up your email account as an IMAP 
> account rather than POP3. With IMAP, the various mail clients are 
> synchronized so that if you delete an email on one device, it is deleted from 
> all. (I have 4 devices from which I can read / send emails - so it was 
> critical for me to have this feature). I don't use gmail - I have my own 
> domain with godaddy and it was not difficult to set the account as IMAP - not 
> sure if gmail can be so easily configured
> 
> --
> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT

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Re: Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[John McKay via CnC-List]

I experience the same thing, the cockpit had about 5 inches of water in it 
during a thaw earlier this winter.
Another project to put on the list for the new Mark II.
john from Enterprise. 


 On Sunday, March 15, 2015 10:19 AM, mike amirault via CnC-List 
 wrote:
   

  A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was 
a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any 
event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced with 
steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type 
hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the 
water to drain off, no ice. Mike AmiraultC&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"St Margarets 
Bay, N.S.
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Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

It is best that a mooring be set up to give 3:1 to 5:1 of scope, just like
an all chain anchor rode. Recommended practice is that the bottom ½ to 2/3
of the chain be heavier than the top section.

 

The mooring rules (Nayak Yacht Club?) recently posted in this discussion
called for something like 30 feet of 5/8 chain topped by 20 feet of 3/8. I
presumed that was for moorings in 10 to 15 feet of water. Trust me, you’ll
get catenary if the mooring is set up right.

 

When my 25 lived on a mooring in Delaware Bay, I had a 300 pound mushroom
anchor, 40 feet of ½”, and 20 feet of ¼” HT chain in about 15 feet of water
with 3-4 feet of tide. During the course of the summer, the mushroom would
work bury itself into the bottom, and it had a 5 foot shank on it.

 

I helped a friend anchor his Benneteau 35 for Hurricane Isabelle, using a 66
lb. Bruce. We set it out about 4 days before the storm to let the anchor dig
in. When we came back after the storm (the eye passed over us with about
60knots of wind) the boat had not moved. 

 

Used the windlass to raise the anchor, and the breaker tripped with the
chain vertical and the bow going down. Tried raising the anchor by leading
the trip line to a cockpit winch. Nothing. Finally ended up by cranking the
windlass until the breaker tripped to pull the bow down on the chain. Went
back to cockpit, had a beer, walked around a bit until the boat’s buoyancy
lifted the anchor a foot or two. Repeat. Took over 4 hours to get that damn
anchor to break free. We figured it was at least 10 feet into the mud.

 

That’s one of the reasons that I have a 44 pound Bruce as the main anchor on
my 38.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della
Barba via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 10:59 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

 

I wouldn’t be so sure about the catenary providing much shock absorption. In
about 30 knots of wind my mooring chain is pretty much stretched out taught.
I have 30 feet of chain in 12 feet of water. Speaking of stretch, in
Hurricane Charlie we had 150 feet of ½” nylon in 10 feet of water. It was
like being on a giant rubber band :) In the morning the anchor was dug in so
deep we needed a CG patrol boat to help get it loose :( From the looks of
the line the anchor was at least *6 feet* under!

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

Coquina

WWW.CRYC.ORG  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:59 PM
To: 'Paul Baker'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deck hardware for mooring

 

Like some of the others, I suspected your plan to use at least ¾” pendants
to be overkill for a 27 foot boat. 

 

Someone else pointed out that you want some stretch to cushion the shock and
¾” line will have no stretch to speak of at the loads your boat will
generate. But the desirability of stretch is more appropriate for an anchor
rode and not a mooring pendant. At a mooring, the cushioning is a result of
the extra chain and catenary between the mooring ball and anchor; your
pendant would probably only have a few inches of stretch over its relatively
short length.

 

To see if ¾” line is really overkill, I spent a few minutes doing research
on the Boat US site, Fortress and Mantus anchors sites, and a site having
engineering standards for different types of rope.

 

There is an ABYC table on the Boat/US site showing the following for the
estimated load on an anchor and rode based on boat size and wind speed. The
data is:

 

Wind Speed 30kt  42kt  60kt

  Working   storm
violent storm

Boat size

25’490lb980lb
1440lb

30’700lb1400lb
2800lb

35’900lb1800lb
3600lb

These numbers are pretty consistent with what I found on the sites for the
anchor companies for anchor load numbers.

 

The rope specs show the following for minimum break strength for medium lay
3-strand nylon:

7/16” ½”  9/16” 5/8”   ¾”

4320lb   5670lb   7200lb   8910lb   12780lb

 

Recommendations vary on the working load to max break strength ratio. As low
as 3:1, 4:1 seems common, but Mantus says 8:1.

At 4:1 the working loads are: 7/16”= 1080  ½”=1420
9/16”=18005/8”=2230   ¾”=3195

At 8:1 540
710   900  1115
1600

 

For boats anchoring in 30 knots of wind, Mantus and others recommend:

20-30’ & 11000pounds9/16

30-35’ & 15000 ½

35-40’ & 2 5/8

 

West marine suggests 1/8” of diameter for each 8’ of length for heavy bo

Stus-List Freezing cockpit drains solved

[mike amirault via CnC-List]

A couple of weeks ago I posted that the cockpit drains on my 33 mkii were 
frozen and the hoses had popped off. Upon investigation, I found that there was 
a low spot in the criss-crossed drains. I am not sure whether they were 
originally installed with a low spot or they just sagged over the years. In any 
event, I removed the old hoses which were "type B fuel lines" reinforced with 
steel wire. (had to cut them off with recip saw) and installed sanitation type 
hoses double clamped with no low spots. So far, so good, they always allow the 
water to drain off, no ice.

Mike Amirault
C&C33 mkii "lovely Cruise"
St Margarets Bay, N.S.___

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