Re: Stus-List Starter

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Glad to hear it Francois. I ordered a switch and will hopefully have it by next 
week. In the meantime, this weekend I will take the advice of the others and 
will clean all connectors, check engine ground, and solenoid this weekend.

Cheers,
Mike 
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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

That's okay, I was going to make the same joke.   I save these in case I 
bring the boat back to the US and need to argue with the local 
government about property taxes.


Wal

James wrote:

You mean someone like Wally? Just kidding!!

From: PME via CnC-List

Yea, there’s likely some FOOL thinking what a great deal and what a fun project 
that would be to fix her up.   And before we know it,  he/she will be posting 
on the list….



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Stus-List Landfall Upgrades

[Daniel Sheer via CnC-List]

I have an old, old, AutoHelm 3000 mounted to Pegathy's wheel. I thought it 
would barely work when I bought the boat, and that I'd replace it very quickly. 
WRONG! It works amazingly well with one exception, large, confused following 
seas. Once I balance the boat the 3000 keeps a heading amazingly well. Long 
trips from Charleston to Beaufort NC and from Cape May to Block Island have 
proved its worth. I've gone through 4 belts in four years, though. And 
sometimes getting the right sensitivity setting is crucial.
Dan SheerPegathy - LF38Rock Creek off the Patapsco

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Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[David via CnC-List]

My new refrigeration is doing quite well.  However I would like to better 
circulate air within the box to equalize temps.   Trying to avoid hard wiring 
and want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan that I can 
turn on when needed without a lot installation hoopla...

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
1981 40-
(401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

In my new SeaFrost 12-volt refrigeration system, I'm using SeaFrost's widget 
fan and it is hard wired to the refrigeration system--when the refrigeration is 
turned on, it runs.  It draws such low amperage that it is insignificant and it 
really helps eliminate temperature zones within the box.  I think having it 
have its own battery would be much more hassle, if that's what you have in 
mind.  The fan I have is very similar to a computer cooling fan.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com

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messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

> On Jul 30, 2015, at 2:46 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> My new refrigeration is doing quite well.  However I would like to better 
> circulate air within the box to equalize temps.   Trying to avoid hard wiring 
> and want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan that I can 
> turn on when needed without a lot installation hoopla...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Most of computer fans are 12 V (some are 5 V). Many have adjustable rpm, so 
they can be extremely quiet and effective. And they can be very cheap (I mean 
low cost), as well. You should not pay more that around $15 (more like $7). 
They use a couple of W (depending on the rpm). On the low setting (600 rpm) 
that should not exceed 0.1 A.

Marek

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:53 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

In my new SeaFrost 12-volt refrigeration system, I'm using SeaFrost's widget 
fan and it is hard wired to the refrigeration system--when the refrigeration is 
turned on, it runs.  It draws such low amperage that it is insignificant and it 
really helps eliminate temperature zones within the box.  I think having it 
have its own battery would be much more hassle, if that's what you have in 
mind.  The fan I have is very similar to a computer cooling fan.

Bob

Bob Boyer 
S/V Rainy Days / Annapolis MD
1983 C&C Landfall 38 - Hull #230
email: dainyr...@icloud.com 
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com


"There is nothing--absolutely nothing--half so much worth doing as simply 
messing about in boats."  --Kenneth Grahame

On Jul 30, 2015, at 2:46 PM, David via CnC-List  wrote:


  My new refrigeration is doing quite well.  However I would like to better 
circulate air within the box to equalize temps.   Trying to avoid hard wiring 
and want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan that I can 
turn on when needed without a lot installation hoopla...

  Thanks in advance.

  David F. Risch
  1981 40-
  (401) 419-4650 (cell)

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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi David,

We are using an early version without switch, something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Valterra-A10-2606-FridgeCool-11-28-Switch/dp/B002N5W8Q4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438283113&sr=8-1&keywords=rv+fridge+fan

Hope that helps, Lee
s/v Simplicity C&C 35-II
Seattle



On Jul 30, 2015, at 11:46 AM, David via CnC-List  wrote:

> My new refrigeration is doing quite well.  However I would like to better 
> circulate air within the box to equalize temps.   Trying to avoid hard wiring 
> and want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan that I can 
> turn on when needed without a lot installation hoopla...
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> David F. Risch
> 1981 40-
> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

David,

If you don’t want to wire anything up, try the Caframo fan 
(http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--battery-powered-crew-fans--P012_361_002_504
 
)
 

Comes in white or black, takes 4 D batteries and can provide up to 300 hours of 
use. I have a few on the Enterprise - run them all night when cruising to 
circulate some air in the aft cabin. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 









> On Jul 30, 2015, at 11:46 AM, David via CnC-List  > wrote:
> 
>> My new refrigeration is doing quite well.  However I would like to better 
>> circulate air within the box to equalize temps.   Trying to avoid hard 
>> wiring and want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan 
>> that I can turn on when needed without a lot installation hoopla...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> David F. Risch
>> 1981 40-
>> (401) 419-4650 (cell)
>> ___
>> 

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Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Judith Sherman via CnC-List]

 Has anyone with a C&C 35 MkIII CB ever had a problem with rusting keel bolts?
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Re: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan...

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

David, 
O2 Cool makes a 5" battery powered fan I use in my boat. We use it in many 
places on board. I bought a few of them over the years and have one at home. 
The batteries last a long time. Many times I have left the thing on and it ran 
for days before I noticed it was on. I'm sure there are many other brands just 
as capable and I would suggest buying something cheap and try it out. Mine have 
an AC/DC adapter so you could tie it into your shore power or inverter power. 

I carry spare batteries aboard because I have battery flashlights, headlamps, 
LED puck reading lights in the berths, and a light inside my ice box. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "David via CnC-List"  
To: "CNC CNC"  
Cc: "David"  
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:46:34 PM 
Subject: Stus-List Refrigerator Fan... 

My new refrigeration is doing quite well. However I would like to better 
circulate air within the box to equalize temps. Trying to avoid hard wiring and 
want to know if anyone has found a low amp battery powered fan that I can turn 
on when needed without a lot installation hoopla... 

Thanks in advance. 

David F. Risch 
1981 40- 
(401) 419-4650 (cell) 

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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

We have runners w checkstays on our 34R. They help shape the mainsail and can 
add speed in light winds, but as others have reported, they aren't absolutely 
required unless the backstay is tensioned heavily. There are several ways to 
add bunji retractors to pull these out of the way when not used. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 7:05:57 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays 

Racing C&C 40s back when they were new, in the late 70s/early 80s, we used 
running backstays. They were used to do two things; stop the mast overbending 
when you had a lot of permanent backstay on and to stop the mast pumping when 
beating into a lumpy sea. 
These days, another use for running backstays on many cruiser/racers (like 
Swans) is to tension an inner forestay on which a staysail is set. 
As an aside, what we always refer to as check stays is a second set of runners 
attached lower on the mast, usually on race boats with less...robust...rigs 
than ours. These again are mostly used to adjust the bend in the mast as the 
permanent backstay is tightened. The runners and checks control the shape of 
the main; it's not uncommon to "invert" the main if you don't have enough 
tension on the runners and checks when you max out the permanent. 

Andy 
C&C 40 
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton 
61 W Narragansett 
Newport, RI 
USA 02840 

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ 
+401 965-5260 

> On Jul 29, 2015, at 05:55, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List  
> wrote: 
> 
> Dwight 
> 
> Yes it does. It seems when c&c started trying to make even more performance 
> oriented designs later 80s the check stays came out. The 90sboats more so. 
> Then the tim jacket boats had swept back spreaders and checks went away 
> again. 
> 
> I miss my swept back spreaders. I also really miss fractional rig (when I buy 
> headsails especially) 
> 
> Mike 
>  
> From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot via 
> CnC-List [cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
> Sent: July 28, 2015 5:10 PM 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: dwight veinot 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays 
> 
> Mike...most older C&C's and especially those designed by Cuthbertson don't 
> have swepth back spreaders or running backstays and some with over 50 feet of 
> stick are single spreader...makes life with the rig very easy 
> 
> Dwight Veinot 
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 
> d.ve...@bellaliant.net 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: 
> I think these may be check stays rather than running backs. Running back 
> stays mostly on fractional rigs and are for downwind sailing as well as trim 
> upwind. 
> 
> Persistence has check stays. We were concerned as you are when we were 
> looking at boat. Other posters are correct. These are for lumpy seas over 15 
> knots to stop mast from pumping. When light we disconnect and attach to 
> turnbuckles at shrouds. I have a snap shackle to reconnect to blocks on 
> transom when wind comes up. We also changed the lines in the blocks to 
> smaller diameter 60 Ft a side so that when using checks we let the line out 
> downwind rather than disconnecting. These are not the pita we thought they 
> would be but do add one extra thing to do when in use. 
> 
> If all boats were swept back spreaders like cc99 and 115 we would not have 
> this discussion. 
> 
> Mike 
> Persistence 
> 1987 Frees 33 
>  
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> Subject: Stus-List Running Back Stays 
> 
> Hi All, 
> 
> Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has 
> them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am 
> not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on 
> other types of boats just removing them all together. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> Scott 
> C&C 35/3 
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Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Mike,

The traveler on most of the 35-3 is found on the cabin top.  Some are on the
bridge deck, but I think those are fairly rare.  The cabin top location is
nice, as it keeps the main out of the cockpit, but it is not ideal for
managing the loads on the main sail.  My pit guy manages the main and all
the other halyards and strings.  He stays well away from the genoa guys with
their flying elbows.  I would certainly not want the main in front of the
wheel.  Too little room for that.

Jake

Jake Brodersen
"Midnight Mistress"
C&C 35 Mk-III
Hampton VA




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Mike via CnC-List
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please

Jake

Where is the traveller in 35-3? Our family 36 (1981) had it on coachroof
(horrible) our frersc33 and cc33-2 have on bridgedeck (marginally better).
Koobalibra cc115 and prospector cc99 have immediately in front of pedestal
where it should be.

Mike 



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Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Judy,

 

Mine is the deep keel version, but the keel bolts always look like new.  No 
rust or hints of it.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Judith 
Sherman via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:59 PM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Cc: Judith Sherman
Subject: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

 

Has anyone with a C&C 35 MkIII CB ever had a problem with rusting keel bolts?

 

Judy Sherman

Snowflake

Rockport, ME

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Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

What Jake said. I dropped my keel after worrying about it with 15+ years of 
“keel smile”. Although our boat is like Jake’s model and having the full keel, 
there was virtually no problem with the keel bolts. The forward one had a small 
amount of pitting and the rest of them were like new.

I suspect that there will be no “surprises” with yours. 

Scroll down through my blog entry and you will see some photos of my keel bolts 
when I dropped it last year which should reassure you.

Best,
Dave Godwin
1982 C&C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

P.S.Along those lines, the latest issue of Professional Boatbuilder has a 
nice article on Mars Keels written by Rob Mazza, formerly of C&C.


> On Jul 30, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Judy,
>  
> Mine is the deep keel version, but the keel bolts always look like new.  No 
> rust or hints of it.
>  
> Jake
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> “Midnight Mistress”
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Judith 
> Sherman via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:59 PM
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> Cc: Judith Sherman
> Subject: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts
>  
> Has anyone with a C&C 35 MkIII CB ever had a problem with rusting keel bolts?
>  
> Judy Sherman
> Snowflake
> Rockport, ME
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Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Have  33-2 with k/cb - no issue with the bolts, but the washers do need to be 
replaced with stainless ...

Paul. :)


On Jul 30, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Judith Sherman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Has anyone with a C&C 35 MkIII CB ever had a problem with rusting keel bolts?

Judy Sherman
Snowflake
Rockport, ME
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Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Paul,

 

I agree with you on the washers.  Some of the spacer that C&C used were
aluminum wedges to keep the nuts square to the bolts.  Mine were all
replaced with stainless.  An easy upgrade and well worth it.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

"Midnight Mistress"

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

 

Have  33-2 with k/cb - no issue with the bolts, but the washers do need to
be replaced with stainless ... 

Paul. :) 

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Re: Stus-List C&C 35-III Headroom?

[Dave via CnC-List]

Ditto that. 


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Cc: "Jake Brodersen"  
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:00:55 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-III Headroom? 



Yeah, that darn doorway keeps banging into my head! You’d think after 15 years 
of ownership I’d remember how low it is. Whacked it again this weekend. Ouch! 



Jake 



Jake Brodersen 

“Midnight Mistress” 

C&C 35 Mk-III 

Hampton VA 









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It's over 6 feet, except for the doorway into the vee berth. 





Joel 


35/3 




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Re: Stus-List C&C 35-III Headroom?

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I finally gave up and put a piece of rubber pipe insulation on mine because I 
hit my head so many times on that door frame.  Dave

On Jul 30, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Dave via CnC-List  wrote:

> Ditto that.
> 
> 
> From: "Jake Brodersen via CnC-List" 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: "Jake Brodersen" 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:00:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-III Headroom?
> 
> Yeah, that darn doorway keeps banging into my head!  You’d think after 15 
> years of ownership I’d remember how low it is.  Whacked it again this 
> weekend.  Ouch!
>  
> Jake
>  
> Jake Brodersen
> “Midnight Mistress”
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> Hampton VA
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> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel 
> Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:34 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joel Aronson
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 35-III Headroom?
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> It's over 6 feet, except for the doorway into the vee berth.
>  
> Joel
> 35/3
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Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

[Don Wagner via CnC-List]

I’ve also noted some rusty areas in the bilges of my previous C&C 30 and my 
current C&C 41 CB. The problem was that C&C used steel backing plates and some 
steel washers. I removed the original stuff and replaced it with the proper 
alloy stainless washers, and in some cases I had custom SS plates made and 
insured the they were properly passivated.
Note: 
My Metallurgist friends @ Johns Hopkins U, tell me that many alloys of 
stainless will develop some surface rust while developing a surface protective 
oxide.


I have never noted any  rusting of the keel bolts and never have seen Aluminum 
anything used in the bolts on a C&C. 

Don Wagner 
Der Baron
C&C 41 CB

From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Jake Brodersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

Paul,

 

I agree with you on the washers.  Some of the spacer that C&C used were 
aluminum wedges to keep the nuts square to the bolts.  Mine were all replaced 
with stainless.  An easy upgrade and well worth it.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
Fountain via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:54 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Fountain
Subject: Re: Stus-List C & C 35 Mk III CB Keel Bolts

 

Have  33-2 with k/cb - no issue with the bolts, but the washers do need to be 
replaced with stainless ... 

Paul. :) 




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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Darn  "may not ship to Canada". It's always the case!


Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

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