Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Had a similar hum while coming back from Newport.  The engineer on board
put a clothes pin on the shroud to change the harmonics. Worked for several
hours.

Joel

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>
> Don't listen to him, Jim.  I can tell he's just making things up. The name
> was Peat and we don't have pints of rum... maybe a litre or two.
>
> And to settle the ghost, try hoisting a fender alongside the mast about
> half way up. You will be amazed how it can settle the rig if you have
> oscillation. I had to do just that at the Boho Bash, 4 weeks ago.
>
> Go ogle vortex breaker.
>
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
>
> At 09:56 PM 31/07/2015, you wrote:
>
> Dennis, where the hell did you come up with that?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
>
> On 31 July 2015 at 21:04, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > wrote:
> It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete.  He drowned in Clam Bay when he fell
> overboard after consuming a few pints of rum.  Legend says he only comes
> out on breezy nights.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > wrote:
> On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
> problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
> making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
> small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
> and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
> didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
> can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
> wind dropped.
> For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
> when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
> Any explanation except witchcraft?
> Â
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Don't listen to him, Jim.  I can tell he's just 
making things up. The name was Peat and we don't 
have pints of rum... maybe a litre or two.


And to settle the ghost, try hoisting a fender 
alongside the mast about half way up. You will be 
amazed how it can settle the rig if you have 
oscillation. I had to do just that at the Boho Bash, 4 weeks ago.


Go ogle vortex breaker.

Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1

At 09:56 PM 31/07/2015, you wrote:

Dennis, where the hell did you come up with that?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 31 July 2015 at 21:04, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete.  He drowned 
in Clam Bay when he fell overboard after 
consuming a few pints of rum.  Legend says he only comes out on breezy nights.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via 
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On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam 
Bay and had a strange problem. At a certain wind 
speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes 
making the boat shake with vibration. The major 
vibration was felt in the small rod running to 
the underside of the upper spreaders and in the 
mast and backstay.  I backed each shroud one 
off half a turn and it really didn't do much 
except make those shrouds look loose to me, but 
I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th 
of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped.
For the next ten days, in all sorts of 
conditions, we didn't hear it, but when we 
anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.

Any explanation except witchcraft?
Â
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Knowles Rich via CnC-List]

It’s just like a blown muffler on your car. You need a bigger stereo.

Rich Knowles
Nanaimo, BC
INDIGO LF38
Boatless!





On Jul 31, 2015, at 19:26, Jim Watts via CnC-List  wrote:

On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At 
a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat 
shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to 
the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay.  I backed 
each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those 
shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th 
of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. 
For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when 
we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. 
Any explanation except witchcraft?
 
Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

In your part of the world I would be wondering if Cascadia was getting warmed 
up when things start to shake and vibrate. Of course a sailboat might not be 
the worst place to be during the next mega-thrust tsunami. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
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  Subject: Stus-List Howling rigging


  On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. 
At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the 
boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod 
running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay.  
I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except 
make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference 
of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped. 

  For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but 
when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again. 

  Any explanation except witchcraft?
   

  Jim Watts
  Paradigm Shift
  C&C 35 Mk III
  Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Dennis, where the hell did you come up with that?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 31 July 2015 at 21:04, Dennis C. via CnC-List 
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> It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete.  He drowned in Clam Bay when he fell
> overboard after consuming a few pints of rum.  Legend says he only comes
> out on breezy nights.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
>> problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
>> making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
>> small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
>> and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
>> didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
>> can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
>> wind dropped.
>> For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
>> when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
>> Any explanation except witchcraft?
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I have experienced the same hum, rattle, and shake on 3 different C&C's over 
many years of PNW sailing both t anchor and tied to pier.  It is my best guess 
that a cross wind of just the right angle and strength will create the 
harmonics needed to rattle and shake the rig.



I have tried many different combos of more/less baby stay, back stay, side 
loads etc to alleviate the shaking.  On the 1980 C&C 36 I found a line run aft 
from the bow, tied around the mast 6' up from the deck reduced the shaking 
considerably.



On Calypso (much larger mast section) the shaking was easier to reduce with 
more baby stay and back stay tension plus securing the burgee and courtesy flag 
(when in BC).  The burgee and courtesy flags seemed to initiate some of the rig 
shaking.



If your rig has both fore and aft lower shrouds (Calypso and the 36 do/did not) 
changing the tension a bit on those rig elements may be worth a try.



Martin

Calypso

1971 C&C43

Seattle


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Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:26 PM
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Subject: Stus-List Howling rigging

On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange problem. At 
a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes making the boat 
shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the small rod running to 
the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast and backstay.  I backed 
each shroud one off half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those 
shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th 
of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped.
For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but when 
we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
Any explanation except witchcraft?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

It's the ghost of Penelakut Pete.  He drowned in Clam Bay when he fell
overboard after consuming a few pints of rum.  Legend says he only comes
out on breezy nights.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List <
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> On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
> problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
> making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
> small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
> and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
> didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
> can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
> wind dropped.
> For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
> when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
> Any explanation except witchcraft?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I think there are supposed to be spacers or "insulators"  where the rod
passes through the spreader.  If you've lost one the rob can rattle.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 31, 2015 10:26 PM, "Jim Watts via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
> problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
> making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
> small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
> and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
> didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
> can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
> wind dropped.
> For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
> when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
> Any explanation except witchcraft?
>
> Jim Watts
> Paradigm Shift
> C&C 35 Mk III
> Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

*Rod can rattle
On Jul 31, 2015 10:59 PM, "Josh Muckley"  wrote:

> I think there are supposed to be spacers or "insulators"  where the rod
> passes through the spreader.  If you've lost one the rob can rattle.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jul 31, 2015 10:26 PM, "Jim Watts via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
>> problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
>> making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
>> small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
>> and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
>> didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
>> can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
>> wind dropped.
>> For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
>> when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
>> Any explanation except witchcraft?
>>
>> Jim Watts
>> Paradigm Shift
>> C&C 35 Mk III
>> Victoria, BC
>>
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Re: Stus-List Howling rigging

[schiller via CnC-List]

Look up Tacoma Narrows bridge.  It's not the wind speed but a frequency 
oscillation of the wind that might excite the natural frequency of the rig.


Neil Schiller
1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
(C&C 35, Mark I)
"Corsair"
Retired Mechanical Engineer

On 7/31/2015 10:26 PM, Jim Watts via CnC-List wrote:
On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange 
problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, 
sometimes making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration 
was felt in the small rod running to the underside of the upper 
spreaders and in the mast and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off 
half a turn and it really didn't do much except make those shrouds 
look loose to me, but I'm sure I can't tell the difference of 1/128th 
of an inch. It eventually faded as the wind dropped.
For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, 
but when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.

Any explanation except witchcraft?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


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Stus-List Howling rigging

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

On our latest trip north, we anchored in Clam Bay and had a strange
problem. At a certain wind speed, the shrouds would start to hum, sometimes
making the boat shake with vibration. The major vibration was felt in the
small rod running to the underside of the upper spreaders and in the mast
and backstay.  I backed each shroud one off half a turn and it really
didn't do much except make those shrouds look loose to me, but I'm sure I
can't tell the difference of 1/128th of an inch. It eventually faded as the
wind dropped.
For the next ten days, in all sorts of conditions, we didn't hear it, but
when we anchored in the same bay 10 days later, we got it again.
Any explanation except witchcraft?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC
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Re: Stus-List Landfall Upgrades

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Of the Raymarine wheel pilots with which I’ve had experience, I think the 
Autohelm/Raymarine 3000 was the most reliable and easiest to operate. 

 

Wish I could still get one for my 38….. or maybe a Navico WP30…. Or a backup 
for my current Navico 5000. The belt from the wheel to the drive unit is 
inconvenient, and needs replacing every second or third year, but the unit is 
simple, reliable, and more than strong enough for my 15000 pound boat. And just 
keeps going and going.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Cc: Daniel Sheer 
Subject: Stus-List Landfall Upgrades

 

I have an old, old, AutoHelm 3000 mounted to Pegathy's wheel. I thought it 
would barely work when I bought the boat, and that I'd replace it very quickly. 
WRONG! It works amazingly well with one exception, large, confused following 
seas. Once I balance the boat the 3000 keeps a heading amazingly well. Long 
trips from Charleston to Beaufort NC and from Cape May to Block Island have 
proved its worth. I've gone through 4 belts in four years, though. And 
sometimes getting the right sensitivity setting is crucial.

 

Dan Sheer

Pegathy - LF38

Rock Creek off the Patapsco

 

 

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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Some Ebay ads are deliberate fraud. 
The perpetrators are after the electronic transfer of an immediate down 
payment, among other things. 
I have in the past spotted ads on Ebay with pictures taken from Yachtworld, but 
with different particulars and a much lower price. 
I reported them and they soon disappeared. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII 
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  Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?


   now this guy appears to have managed to list his C&C 30 twice!

  
http://www.ebay.com/sch/dmidkiff16cll/m.html?item=271942365606&forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f510731a6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562



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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

 now this guy appears to have managed to list his C&C 30 twice!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/dmidkiff16cll/m.html?item=271942365606&forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f510731a6&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

No, I just looked at the eBay ad. I live quite far from there.

You are right about the possibility of next-of-kin being left with a mess to 
clean up. It wouldn’t surprise me to someday see a Gutenberg bible offered on 
eBay in ‘Pet Supplies’ with the bid starting at $1. I am just now wrapping up 
my mother’s and brother’s estates.  It had real moments of drudgery. My 
ex-sister-in-law thoughtfully looted my brother’s storage unit and tossed his 
valuable LP record collection in the dumpster.

Perhaps this boat wouldn’t fit in a dumpster…

Steve Staten
Langley, OK
C’Est La Vie
C&C 27

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Steve, you looked at the boat in person, or you looked at the ad? I would hope 
you'd give us more info if you looked at the boat!

And you know, people die and family is left to deal with their things .. this 
could be that type of situation. Who knows.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer is not 
serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding advertising 
it on eBay.  The boat is not advertised in the proper category, Motors -> Boats 
-> Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles -> Advertising 
Memorabilia -> etc. That's not where I go to look at boats.

Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you to 
question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that 
particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks like 
it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious about 
selling it.

Steve Staten
Langley, OK
C'est La Vie
C&C 27


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Cc: Peter Fell
Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
Darn  "may not ship to Canada". It's always the case!


Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

Steve, you looked at the boat in person, or you looked at the ad? I would
hope you'd give us more info if you looked at the boat!

And you know, people die and family is left to deal with their things ..
this could be that type of situation. Who knows.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto


On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Steve Staten via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer
> is not serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding
> advertising it on eBay.  The boat is not advertised in the proper category,
> Motors -> Boats -> Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles ->
> Advertising Memorabilia -> etc. That's not where I go to look at boats.
>
> Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you
> to question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that
> particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks
> like it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious
> about selling it.
>
> Steve Staten
> Langley, OK
> C'est La Vie
> C&C 27
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Fell via CnC-List
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 10:18 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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> Subject: Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?
>
> Darn  "may not ship to Canada". It's always the case!
>
>
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> Cygnet
> C&C 27 MkIII
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Re: Stus-List landfall 38 for $4k?

[Steve Staten via CnC-List]

I looked at the boat on eBay yesterday. I have suspicions that the offer is not 
serious or that the owner did not do their due diligence regarding advertising 
it on eBay.  The boat is not advertised in the proper category, Motors -> Boats 
-> Sailboats. Instead, it is advertised in Collectibles -> Advertising 
Memorabilia -> etc. That's not where I go to look at boats.

Also, most boats offered are accompanied by pictures designed to cause you to 
question your manhood and any past happiness because you do not own that 
particular boat. This boat in question has one old faded photo that looks like 
it came off part of a brochure. I don't think the owner is serious about 
selling it. 

Steve Staten
Langley, OK
C'est La Vie
C&C 27
 

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Darn  "may not ship to Canada". It's always the case!


Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C&C 27 MkIII

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Re: Stus-List mast tuning

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David,

I'm not sure you can change the rake without shortening the headstay or
moving the foot.  I think it is usually shortening the headstay.  Why do
you want to change the the rake?  Too much weather helm?

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 31, 2015 11:59 AM, "David Knecht via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I took a good look at my furler, mast, shrouds and stays yesterday
> preparatory to trying to do some mast tuning.  I am unsure as to the best
> way of going about this process and could use some advice.
>  I found that I was raked somewhere between 18 and 24 inches aft, which is
> much too far by all accounts, so I want to bring the mast back to 6-12
> inches.  I have read the guides, but it is the specifics of different
> mast/shroud/stay combinations is what I am unsure about.  It was more
> straightforward on my previous 34.   My mast has no adjustment possible at
> the base or through deck unlike my old one.  As near as I can tell, it is
> all done with shrouds and stays.  The backstay is a split wire with a
> pinching car that runs up and down to control backstay tension.  The
> backstay wires runs to two turnbuckles on the transom.  The spreaders are
> only slightly swept back but the rod shrouds run to a position just behind
> the mast.  One runs to the top of the mast and the other part way up, both
> passing through the same point on the lower spreader.  The top ones are
> extremely tight, with no flex/sag on the leeward side when sailing upwind.
> The lowers are a bit less tight but still no sag.  There is a third rod,
> which I am forgetting where it terminates on the mast, but presumably lower
> down.  Forestay is on a Harken furler.
> So how to proceed (or wait for the Rendezvous and get all the great minds
> together for a tuning session!)
> 1.  Should I disconnect the backstay before doing anything with the
> shrouds? The car on the split stay can only go so high without running out
> of wire, so even at its topmost position, it is putting some tension on the
> backstay.  I can tie another line to it and let it run up further but it
> makes more sense to me to remove them altogether or loosen the turnbuckles
> as much as possible.
> 2.  Presumably, I would then loosen all the shrouds and then tighten the
> bolt on the furler to bring the mast forward, then recheck rake after
> tightening the shrouds somewhat?
> 3. After adjusting rake, how would the tension of the backstay be
> adjusted?  Presumably minimal tension with the car at its topmost position?
>The tightness of those turnbuckles is going to affect the amount of
> tension the adjuster is able to generate, so that would seem an important
> adjustment, but I have not seen any guide to how to set that.
> 4.  When to check the rake?  With the backstay loose/disconnected or in
> its nominal highest position?
> 5. One thought I have had is that before doing any of the above actions, I
> should recheck the rake with the backstay removed just to see if it makes
> any significant difference.  I know they were removed to take the boat out
> of the water last fall and again in the spring, so how the yard guys
> re-tensioned them I have no idea and I have not further adjusted them.
> Thanks- Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Josh

We run a much longer and smaller diameter line than that which came in our 4:1 
purchase on our check stays.  We ease it out and the boom can extend as far as 
we wish downwind without running the check stays forward.  When we harden up or 
gybe we just haul the line back in.  Seems to work well.

Our setup sounds very similar to yours

Mike

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Chuck,

You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup.  The wire from 
the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block system 
with cam-cleat.  The snap shackle on the lower  fiddle block allows attachment 
to the toe rail in various locations.

If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then they 
interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a close 
reach.  So i have to loosen them.  Down wind enough and I have to move them 
forward on the rail.  There is a sweet spot where they don't interfere too 
badly with either the 135% headsail or the main.  I still have to loosen them 
on deep downwind runs.

The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase.  You also mentioned a winch?  Is 
this the same setup you have?

Thanks,
Josh
On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Josh,
You may have fun with this?  When you tighten the backstay to tighten the 
headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move 
forward flattening the main.  In light and moderate winds, we use the runners 
to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge 
ahead.  On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can 
be felt by the crew.  I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can 
repeat the setting easily.  Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main 
flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main.

Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied 
to the chainplates.

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
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To: "C&C List" mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Cc: "Josh Muckley" mailto:muckl...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just 
seem to just get in the way.  I still set them but they don't really seem to do 
much.  I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem.  Weird 
thing is I kinda like having them.  Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what 
they do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List 
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Hi All,

Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has 
them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time.  I am 
not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising.  I've heard of people on 
other types of boats just removing them all together.

Thanks,
Scott
C&C 35/3

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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Chuck,

You mentioned a winch, which made me start questioning my setup.  The wire
from the mast terminates about 2-3 ft above the deck at a 4:1 fiddle block
system with cam-cleat.  The snap shackle on the lower  fiddle block allows
attachment to the toe rail in various locations.

If I attach the check stays as far aft as possible on the toe rail then
they interfere with the boom and main when sailing anything broader than a
close reach.  So i have to loosen them.  Down wind enough and I have to
move them forward on the rail.  There is a sweet spot where they don't
interfere too badly with either the 135% headsail or the main.  I still
have to loosen them on deep downwind runs.

The 4:1 doesn't seem to be enough purchase.  You also mentioned a winch?
Is this the same setup you have?

Thanks,
Josh
On Jul 31, 2015 8:03 AM, "Chuck S via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
> You may have fun with this?  When you tighten the backstay to tighten the
> headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move
> forward flattening the main.  In light and moderate winds, we use the
> runners to pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and
> we surge ahead.  On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to
> 1 knot can be felt by the crew.  I mark the runner tail where it meets the
> winch so I can repeat the setting easily.  Sailing upwind I have them on
> but need the main flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and
> backwinding the main.
>
> Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners
> bungied to the chainplates.
>
> Chuck
> Resolute
> 1990 C&C 34R
> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Muckley via CnC-List" 
> *To: *"C&C List" 
> *Cc: *"Josh Muckley" 
> *Sent: *Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM
> *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays
>
> I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays
> just seem to just get in the way.  I still set them but they don't really
> seem to do much.  I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a
> problem.  Weird thing is I kinda like having them.  Sorta like my pinky
> toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them
> and chose not to remove them.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who
>> has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all
>> the time.  I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising.  I've
>> heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>> C&C 35/3
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Stus-List mast tuning

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I took a good look at my furler, mast, shrouds and stays yesterday preparatory 
to trying to do some mast tuning.  I am unsure as to the best way of going 
about this process and could use some advice.
 I found that I was raked somewhere between 18 and 24 inches aft, which is much 
too far by all accounts, so I want to bring the mast back to 6-12 inches.  I 
have read the guides, but it is the specifics of different mast/shroud/stay 
combinations is what I am unsure about.  It was more straightforward on my 
previous 34.   My mast has no adjustment possible at the base or through deck 
unlike my old one.  As near as I can tell, it is all done with shrouds and 
stays.  The backstay is a split wire with a pinching car that runs up and down 
to control backstay tension.  The backstay wires runs to two turnbuckles on the 
transom.  The spreaders are only slightly swept back but the rod shrouds run to 
a position just behind the mast.  One runs to the top of the mast and the other 
part way up, both passing through the same point on the lower spreader.  The 
top ones are extremely tight, with no flex/sag on the leeward side when sailing 
upwind.  The lowers are a bit less tight but still no sag.  There is a third 
rod, which I am forgetting where it terminates on the mast, but presumably 
lower down.  Forestay is on a Harken furler.  
So how to proceed (or wait for the Rendezvous and get all the great minds 
together for a tuning session!)
1.  Should I disconnect the backstay before doing anything with the shrouds? 
The car on the split stay can only go so high without running out of wire, so 
even at its topmost position, it is putting some tension on the backstay.  I 
can tie another line to it and let it run up further but it makes more sense to 
me to remove them altogether or loosen the turnbuckles as much as possible.
2.  Presumably, I would then loosen all the shrouds and then tighten the bolt 
on the furler to bring the mast forward, then recheck rake after tightening the 
shrouds somewhat?
3. After adjusting rake, how would the tension of the backstay be adjusted?  
Presumably minimal tension with the car at its topmost position?The 
tightness of those turnbuckles is going to affect the amount of tension the 
adjuster is able to generate, so that would seem an important adjustment, but I 
have not seen any guide to how to set that.  
4.  When to check the rake?  With the backstay loose/disconnected or in its 
nominal highest position?  
5. One thought I have had is that before doing any of the above actions, I 
should recheck the rake with the backstay removed just to see if it makes any 
significant difference.  I know they were removed to take the boat out of the 
water last fall and again in the spring, so how the yard guys re-tensioned them 
I have no idea and I have not further adjusted them.
Thanks- Dave
  
Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Stus-List WindCheck (Long Isand Sound) Article Online re C&C Rendezvous

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

http://www.windcheckmagazine.com/fourth_annual_c_c_yachts_northeast_rendezvous_to_be_in_clinton_ct_september_11_13_2015
 




All the best,

Edd


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Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

[Chuck S via CnC-List]

Josh, 
You may have fun with this? When you tighten the backstay to tighten the 
headstay, you should see the mast bend and the middle of the mast will move 
forward flattening the main. In light and moderate winds, we use the runners to 
pull the middle of the mast straight and the main bellys out and we surge 
ahead. On a reach or sailing downwind the speed increase of .5 to 1 knot can be 
felt by the crew. I mark the runner tail where it meets the winch so I can 
repeat the setting easily. Sailing upwind I have them on but need the main 
flatter cause the genoa is sheeted inboard and backwinding the main. 

Truth be told, I've also raced many times in light winds w the runners bungied 
to the chainplates. 

Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

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From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List"  
To: "C&C List"  
Cc: "Josh Muckley"  
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 4:13:00 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays 

I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays just 
seem to just get in the way. I still set them but they don't really seem to do 
much. I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a problem. Weird thing 
is I kinda like having them. Sorta like my pinky toes, I don't know what they 
do, if anything, but I still like having them and chose not to remove them. 

Josh Muckley 
S/V Sea Hawk 
1989 C&C 37+ 
Solomons, MD 

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List < 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: 



Hi All, 

Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who has 
them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all the time. I am 
not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising. I've heard of people on 
other types of boats just removing them all together. 

Thanks, 
Scott 
C&C 35/3 

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Re: Stus-List Running Back Stays

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I don't race my 37+ so take this with a grain of salt but my check stays
just seem to just get in the way.  I still set them but they don't really
seem to do much.  I've watched for pumping but it never seems to be a
problem.  Weird thing is I kinda like having them.  Sorta like my pinky
toes, I don't know what they do, if anything, but I still like having them
and chose not to remove them.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:21 PM, scott gary via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Looking at a 37/40XL and I know they have running back stays, anyone who
> has them, are they a pain in the neck, or do you not use them all
> the time.  I am not planning on doing much racing, mostly cruising.  I've
> heard of people on other types of boats just removing them all together.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
> C&C 35/3
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