Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Ditto; I actually had my the "happy" part of thanksgiving today...sunny with 
winds 7-10, gusts to 17; and 
I had the afternoon off! I went sailing by myself and just had a ball!We 
winterize everything on Sunday, so a fitting end to the season...
 

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Cc: Danny Haughey 
Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving



Here here!


Nice job edd!


Happy thanks giving everyone!   And thanks for all the great advice!


Danny







Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
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Date: 11/25/2015  4:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C&C List  
Cc: Edd Schillay  
Subject: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving 


Listers,


Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy Thanksgiving 
(belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you reconsider that 
extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those times you wished 
you had some extra weight on the rail. 


Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for your 
guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect of owning 
a C&C. 




All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log



















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Stus-List substitution of depth transducers

[Eric Frank via CnC-List]

I am replacing depth, speed and wind instruments on Cat’s Paw with i50 and i60 
Raymarine instruments.  As noted in an ongoing thread, it is difficult to 
remove the old depth transducer, so is it possible to use the old one with the 
new Raymarine display?  The old transducer is for a Signet Scientific MK172 
instrument, which is probably more than 12 years old but still works fine.  In 
the manual, it states that “The transmitter produces six pulses per second at 
an amplitude of 450 volts peak·to·peak with 63 watts of power output per pulse. 
The high power output is obtained by charging a large capacitor to build a 
large current flow without heavy drain from the external power source. The 
frequency is adjustable from 160 to 200 kHz but is set at the factory for 200 
kHz nominal.”  The transducer that came with the Raymarine instruments is an 
Airmar P319, listed on the tag on its cable as 50/200 KHz. That transducer also 
measures temperature, but I would be happy to forgo that if I didn’t have to 
change the transducer.  Is there a way of testing if the old transducer works 
with the new display while the boat is on the hard (for the winter)?  What 
happens if you test a transducer when it is completely out of water?  Would it 
harm the Raymarine instrument to be connected to the old transducer? 

Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Rick,
 Having driven a couple of 12 meters including Courageous and Heritage,
I can tell you it's definitely a hoot.  While grinding the genoa trimmer
said "it wasn't easy being a grinder.  You had to be as strong as a gorilla
and as smart as one too".  :-)

Gary
S/V High Maintenance
'90 C&C 37 Plus
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> While on vacation in Key West a few years ago, I had the chance for a
> conversation over a couple of beers with the skipper of the former Stars
> and Stripes that sailed/sails out of Key West. He told me the Coast Guard
> made them take a significant amount off the mast – something like 17 feet!
> – before they could carry passengers.  But I still think sailing on a 12
> meter would be a hoot.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Edd
> Schillay via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:21 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Edd Schillay 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin
>
>
>
> The Americas Cup Challenge Excursion is still there. Did it a few years
> ago. If you know anything about racing and are paying attention, it’s more
> than a little disappointing. The skippers will purposely mis-steer,
> mis-trim and go to the song gate marks in order to ensure it’s a close
> finish. They’ve also modified the boats tremendously.
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Edd
>
>
>
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
>
> Starship Enterprise
>
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>
> City Island, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, William Walker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and
> doing daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a
> little race around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you
> work.  I was main sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.
> Best 60 bucks I spent entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
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Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving

[Ahmet via CnC-List]

Happy thanksgiving to everyone.
Living on the boat, we usually have a Marina Thanksgiving, but this year we
will be with friends in New Hampshire.
I personally really appreciate the know-how and participation of this list.
Happy gobble gobble
-- 
---
Ahmet
*"S/V Waterdancer"* 1990 Irwin 43 CC
"Tabasco" 1973 C&C 25
Winthrop Yacht Club, Winthrop, MA / USA
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List <
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> Here here!
>
> Nice job edd!
>
> Happy thanks giving everyone!   And thanks for all the great advice!
>
> Danny
>
>
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/25/2015 4:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving
>
> Listers,
>
> Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy
> Thanksgiving (belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you
> reconsider that extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those
> times you wished you had some extra weight on the rail.
>
> Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for
> your guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect
> of owning a C&C.
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
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Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving

[Chuck Borge via CnC-List]

Well stated, Edd. 
Best to all,
Chuck B
C&C 34 Elusive
Somerset, MA

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> On Nov 25, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Danny Haughey via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here here!
> 
> Nice job edd!
> 
> Happy thanks giving everyone!   And thanks for all the great advice!
> 
> Danny
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>  Original message 
> From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> Date: 11/25/2015 4:20 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Edd Schillay 
> Subject: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving
> 
> Listers,
> 
> Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy 
> Thanksgiving (belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you 
> reconsider that extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those 
> times you wished you had some extra weight on the rail. 
> 
> Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for 
> your guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect of 
> owning a C&C. 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log
> 
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Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Here here!
Nice job edd!
Happy thanks giving everyone!   And thanks for all the great advice!
Danny


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Edd 
Schillay via CnC-List  Date: 11/25/2015  4:20 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: C&C List  Cc: Edd Schillay 
 Subject: Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy 
Thanksgiving 
Listers,
Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy Thanksgiving 
(belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you reconsider that 
extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those times you wished 
you had some extra weight on the rail. 
Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for your 
guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect of owning 
a C&C. 


All the best,
Edd

Edd M. SchillayStarship EnterpriseC&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-BCity Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log












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Re: Stus-List Fw: new message

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Delete it.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

While on vacation in Key West a few years ago, I had the chance for a 
conversation over a couple of beers with the skipper of the former Stars and 
Stripes that sailed/sails out of Key West. He told me the Coast Guard made them 
take a significant amount off the mast – something like 17 feet! – before they 
could carry passengers.  But I still think sailing on a 12 meter would be a 
hoot.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd Schillay 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 9:21 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

 

The Americas Cup Challenge Excursion is still there. Did it a few years ago. If 
you know anything about racing and are paying attention, it’s more than a 
little disappointing. The skippers will purposely mis-steer, mis-trim and go to 
the song gate marks in order to ensure it’s a close finish. They’ve also 
modified the boats tremendously.


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 








 






 

On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, William Walker via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and doing 
daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a little race 
around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you work.  I was main 
sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.  Best 60 bucks I spent 
entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
Bill Walker
CnC 36

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

 

 

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Stus-List Sailing World Write Up Pensacola - Havana Race

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

C&C Listers here is a link for article on Havana Race.

http://www.sail-world.com/2015-Pensacola-a-la-Habana-Race---Retirements-on-Day-2/139727
 
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Stus-List Wishing Every C&C-er a Happy Thanksgiving

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy Thanksgiving 
(belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you reconsider that 
extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those times you wished 
you had some extra weight on the rail. 

Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for your 
guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect of owning 
a C&C. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 












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Re: Stus-List Update: Re: Keel attachment issues on a C&C 25

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Ahmet,

If you are diving deep into your C&C 25’s build history I recommend contacting 
the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes and purchasing the original build drawings.

Here is the contact info I used in March 2015:

Sandrena Raymond
Curator
Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston
(613) 542-2261 | cura...@marmuseum.ca

The curator searches the archives by boat type.  In March the digital copies 
were $10.00 each, printed also $10.00 with a longer lead time.

I was very happy with the service and continue to be happy I purchased the 
drawings.  Calypso being hull #1 of the “Limited Edition” 43 series did not 
have some of the re-enforcements added to later hulls and decks.  Going through 
the drawings I picked up a few places to add extra re-enforcement during our 
ongoing deck refirb project.  If the museum has the full set of build drawing 
for your boat’s production run ask for copies of the materials and parts used 
list.  I expect there is detail on the keel bolt attachment both internal and 
how the bolts are terminated in the lead.

I also found hand drawn notes from the C&C design team specifying the stern 
modifications done in 1974 to lower the IOR rating.  It is a comfort to know 
the C&C team was involved.  Along with hull, deck, and interior construction 
details I purchased all the rig, rudder, and keel drawings available.  Hand 
written in on the keel drawing was the actual casting weight of the keels for 
the first 3 43’s built.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ahmet via 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 8:34 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Ahmet
Subject: Re: Stus-List Update: Re: Keel attachment issues on a C&C 25

I suspect, you are right. 40+ years of corrosion.
 Was it lack of material knowlege ?, cutting costs on hardware ?, I was trying 
to figure out what the material is. It is very magnetic, So I presume it was 
just simple steel.  The nuts and bolts are in good shape after all.

Nonetheless, I love Tabasco, and once these simple kinks are fixed, she will 
probably outlast me :)
Rick said:
>The steel backing plates probably were original.

Ahmet


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Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I concur with Dave’s approach.

Faced with building up a large area around Calypso’s mast collar (we replaced 
the original plywood with solid glass/epoxy board) I used both epoxy board and 
many layers of 25 oz. bi-ax.  We worked from below as the deck’s inner skin is 
only 1/8” and the outer skin is ¼” to 7/16” thick.  I fabricated shapes of 
epoxy board that were used as an insert.  I built up the insert’s thickness 
with laminations of bi-ax and thickened epoxy.

To completely replace the plywood I needed ½” of build thickness. The insert 
ran between ¼” and 3/8”.  It took 7 to 8 additional layers of 25 oz. bi-ax 
(includes a layer of mat).  To reduce sanding I planned to complete the 
lamination in one session.  Even using vacuum bagging the weight of all that 
resin, cloth, and inserts was difficult to manage.  I ended up using the 
inserts as the last layer and physically applying pressure to aid the vacuum in 
removing voids.

Given my easy access to epoxy board, for the C&C 25’s keel bolt area build up I 
would use two thinner pieces of epoxy board (easier to shape) then build it up 
with cloth and resin.  I would follow Dave’s recommendations of prep steps to 
insure a good bond.  To protect the keel bolt threads I would use a piece of 
sheet Mylar or similar slipper film stuffed along the bolt with some 5 minute 
epoxy used to seal the edges.

If access to the repair area is difficult, consider the time trade off of 
opening up the floor above the bolt vs. working in very confined spaces.  
Rebuilding a flat floor area may be faster than time spent fighting an awkward 
location.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave via 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...

Ahmet - I think I get what you are trying to do.  A pre laminated and fitted 
angle would work.  Make a form, wider than you need and build up layers.  Make 
it way to big, then Trim and bevel to fit. (Angle grinder).  Epoxy in place, 
fill the void(pre drill) then laminate in place.

Btw, mat is NOT structural. it fills the spaces between the warp and weft of 
cloth or roving, making a denser laminate.

Others may disagree - would be interested in alternative approaches.

Dave

Ahmet - my approach to making flat pieces is to first laminate on a sheet of 
glass. With polyester, I build-up glass/mat alternating and laminated to a high 
glass content with a consolidator.  (A kind of roller)
With epoxy you can use biaxial stitch-mat with fine cloth or peel ply on top, 
then squeegee out  resin.  Use a layer of waxed paper between the glass (or 
Mdf) as a release layer.
If cured on the glass you can make amazing sheet parts, and assemble them with 
with fillets of epoxy.
You can also do the work above on a sheet of waxed paper and apply the 
resulting laminate before it kicks.  You basically make a band-aid and plop it 
in place.  (Essentially)Much easier and better than laminating in situ.  You 
can take these laminates and lay on a form, pre cure.
By progressively sizing the pieces, you can make band aids thicker in the 
middle, often useful.

In your case, if I understand correctly, I would combine both pre made pieces 
and pre laminated 'band aids).
I would fill the void with glass-rich epoxy.  If you need it to flow and level, 
use only a little cabosil.
You can get a veterinary syringe or make a piping bag out of a ziplock if you 
need to inject into a space.
Consider laying cloth on its bias for corners bridging seams.   Remember to 
feather edges to maximize gluing.

Dave.

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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Well for sure it isn't the Americas Cup, Eds, and I agree with all you said, 
but it still was a fun two hours or so.  I would do it again. 
Bill Walker

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On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
 wrote:

The Americas Cup Challenge Excursion is still there. Did it a few years ago. If 
you know anything about racing and are paying attention, it’s more than a 
little disappointing. The skippers will purposely mis-steer, mis-trim and go to 
the song gate marks in order to ensure it’s a close finish. They’ve also 
modified the boats tremendously.


All the best,


Edd



Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 












On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, William Walker via CnC-List 
 wrote:


Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and doing 
daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a little race 
around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you work.  I was main 
sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.  Best 60 bucks I spent 
entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
Bill Walker
CnC 36

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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

The more I think about it, the less certain I am which was which now. 
It was a long time ago, but I know that I had to use a hole saw for at least 
one of them in replacing Datamarine with Raytheon. 

Steve. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: S Thomas via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: S Thomas 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:12
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder


  Patrick, 
  Come to think of it, you are correct. I had to cut a bigger hole 
for the Airmar speed transducer, and not the depth transducer, as I previously 
and erroneously stated. 
  My bad. 

  Steve Thomas
  C&C27 MKIII
  C&C36 MKI
- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Patrick Davin 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:19
Subject: Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder





@ Steve Thomas: The Datamarine speed transducer in my experience was 
exactly the same diameter as the Airmar transducers. Are you saying the depth 
trans is smaller than the speed? That would be surprising, but I suppose it's 
possible.


-Patrick
C&C LF38









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Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...

[Dave via CnC-List]

Ahmet - I think I get what you are trying to do.  A pre laminated and fitted 
angle would work.  Make a form, wider than you need and build up layers.  Make 
it way to big, then Trim and bevel to fit. (Angle grinder).  Epoxy in place, 
fill the void(pre drill) then laminate in place.

Btw, mat is NOT structural. it fills the spaces between the warp and weft of 
cloth or roving, making a denser laminate.  

Others may disagree - would be interested in alternative approaches.

Dave

Ahmet - my approach to making flat pieces is to first laminate on a sheet of 
glass. With polyester, I build-up glass/mat alternating and laminated to a high 
glass content with a consolidator.  (A kind of roller)
With epoxy you can use biaxial stitch-mat with fine cloth or peel ply on top, 
then squeegee out  resin.  Use a layer of waxed paper between the glass (or 
Mdf) as a release layer. 
If cured on the glass you can make amazing sheet parts, and assemble them with 
with fillets of epoxy.  
You can also do the work above on a sheet of waxed paper and apply the 
resulting laminate before it kicks.  You basically make a band-aid and plop it 
in place.  (Essentially)Much easier and better than laminating in situ.  You 
can take these laminates and lay on a form, pre cure.
By progressively sizing the pieces, you can make band aids thicker in the 
middle, often useful.

In your case, if I understand correctly, I would combine both pre made pieces 
and pre laminated 'band aids). 
I would fill the void with glass-rich epoxy.  If you need it to flow and level, 
use only a little cabosil.  
You can get a veterinary syringe or make a piping bag out of a ziplock if you 
need to inject into a space.  
Consider laying cloth on its bias for corners bridging seams.   Remember to 
feather edges to maximize gluing.  

Dave.

 


Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 23:50:57 -0500
From: Ahmet 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...
Message-ID:
   
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank You, that is a lot of information condensed.
I have a challenge. Whoever built my hull # 5, missed the sump location by
an inch. So I need to extend the sump wall horizontally.
I would thing that I would start wetting structural mat and go horizontally
out from where the exposed nut is. It is basically a 4 inch vertical wall
than needs to be filled in.
The situation is in PIC 3 
Here is sort of a drawing I
have.
What might  be the best way to build up the vertical wall that will
eventually withstand the pressure of the nut besides just keep on adding
cloth until I have the desired width ?
Ahmet
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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

Patrick, 
Come to think of it, you are correct. I had to cut a bigger hole 
for the Airmar speed transducer, and not the depth transducer, as I previously 
and erroneously stated. 
My bad. 

Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36 MKI
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Davin via CnC-List 
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Patrick Davin 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:19
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder


  


  @ Steve Thomas: The Datamarine speed transducer in my experience was exactly 
the same diameter as the Airmar transducers. Are you saying the depth trans is 
smaller than the speed? That would be surprising, but I suppose it's possible.


  -Patrick
  C&C LF38






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Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...

[Dave via CnC-List]

Ahmet - my approach to making flat pieces is to first laminate on a sheet of 
glass. With polyester, I build-up glass/mat alternating and laminated to a high 
glass content with a consolidator.  (A kind of roller)
With epoxy you can use biaxial stitch-mat with fine cloth or peel ply on top, 
then squeegee out  resin.  Use a layer of waxed paper between the glass (or 
Mdf) as a release layer. 
If cured on the glass you can make amazing sheet parts, and assemble them with 
with fillets of epoxy.  
You can also do the work above on a sheet of waxed paper and apply the 
resulting laminate before it kicks.  You basically make a band-aid and plop it 
in place.  (Essentially)Much easier and better than laminating in situ.  You 
can take these laminates and lay on a form, pre cure.
By progressively sizing the pieces, you can make band aids thicker in the 
middle, often useful.

In your case, if I understand correctly, I would combine both pre made pieces 
and pre laminated 'band aids). 
I would fill the void with glass-rich epoxy.  If you need it to flow and level, 
use only a little cabosil.  
You can get a veterinary syringe or make a piping bag out of a ziplock if you 
need to inject into a space.  
Consider laying cloth on its bias for corners bridging seams.   Remember to 
feather edges to maximize gluing.  

Dave.

 


Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 23:50:57 -0500
From: Ahmet 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...
Message-ID:
   
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thank You, that is a lot of information condensed.
I have a challenge. Whoever built my hull # 5, missed the sump location by
an inch. So I need to extend the sump wall horizontally.
I would thing that I would start wetting structural mat and go horizontally
out from where the exposed nut is. It is basically a 4 inch vertical wall
than needs to be filled in.
The situation is in PIC 3 
Here is sort of a drawing I
have.
What might  be the best way to build up the vertical wall that will
eventually withstand the pressure of the nut besides just keep on adding
cloth until I have the desired width ?
Ahmet
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Re: Stus-List Vacation Options -- Not C&C Related, But Sailing Related

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Look for a place that rents Hobies or similar.

My Girls / Husbands and I rented some at the Bitter End, had a few races, it 
was a blast.  Little squall came through, flipped them over, they had fun 
flipping them back– 

One of the many highlights . . ..

 

Bill Coleman

C&C 39 Erie, PA

 

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via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:52 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Sailnomad
Subject: Re: Stus-List Vacation Options -- Not C&C Related, But Sailing Related

 

I don't want to be a party pooped but I really don't think you have time to do 
real bareboat sailing. Most cruise ships get there in the morning. By the time 
you get out, go to the charter company, get the boat , it is noon.
You  have to return by 5 to make the ship. So it really is not worth to pay the 
$500+ for a few hours of sailing.
Just let the little excursion companies take you out and enjoy not to have to 
watch out for the rerfs.
My 02c
Ahmet

On Nov 24, 2015 6:52 PM, "Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Edd,

Not sailing related but you should definitely stop by Maho Beach at the end of 
Princess Juliana Airport runway in St Marteen. There are bars on each side of a 
tiny road with flight schedules posted on a board. Just about the best place to 
watch planes land insanely close by! Here is some pictures I took few weeks ago 
(MD80, 757 and a the new  787):

 

http://imgur.com/a/tgvT1

 

The beach is a 20 minutes bus ride (route buses, costs about $2.5 per person) 
from the cruise terminal. 

 

Cheers,

Aaron R.

Admiral Maggie,

1979 C&C 30 MK1 #540

Annapolis, MD

 

  _  

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Edd Schillay via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 4:02 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Vacation Options -- Not C&C Related, But Sailing Related 

 

Listers, 

 

I’m heading to the caribbean next month for a much-needed vacation on a cruise 
ship. The ship is going to St. Maarten, St. Thomas, Old San Juan and, for a 
short time, Tortola. 

 

I’m looking for recommendations on a trustworthy sailboat (or, if I have to, 
powerboat) rental options for a day at one of the destinations. The sailing 
excursions offered through the cruise line tend to be more motor-with-the 
sail-up, don’t-touch-the-lines, booze cruises — which I’m looking to avoid. 
Instead, I’d like to just go out, sail around, snorkel, beach, etc. on my own 
schedule. 

 

Any suggestions? 

 


All the best,

 

Edd

 

 

Edd M. Schillay

Starship Enterprise

C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B

City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's   Captain's Log


  

STARSHIP ENTERPRISE (NCC-1701-B) -- C&C 37+

CAPTAIN'S LOG STARSHIP ENTERPRISE NCC-1701-B (C&C 37+) A running Captain's Log 
of the sailing and racing yacht "Starship Enterprise"

  Read more...

 

 

 







 





 


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Re: Stus-List Vacation Options -- Not C&C Related, But Sailing Related

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Marek,

I don’t think they are operating out of St. Thomas any longer. 

All the best,

Edd


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> On Nov 25, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Marek Fluder via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a positive experience from some time back with OnDeck Ocean Racing in 
> Charlotte Amalie.
> Couple of Farr yachts in decent shape pretending to race, guests are assigned 
> crew functions.
> Fun few hours on the water - I got the helm for some time as no other guests 
> wanted to.
> It felt pretty good behind the wheel pulling into the harbour right beside 
> our cuise ship...
>  
> Marek
>  
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Listers,
> 
> I’m heading to the caribbean next month for a much-needed vacation on a 
> cruise ship. The ship is going to St. Maarten, St. Thomas, Old San Juan and, 
> for a short time, Tortola. 
> 
> I’m looking for recommendations on a trustworthy sailboat (or, if I have to, 
> powerboat) rental options for a day at one of the destinations. The sailing 
> excursions offered through the cruise line tend to be more motor-with-the 
> sail-up, don’t-touch-the-lines, booze cruises — which I’m looking to avoid. 
> Instead, I’d like to just go out, sail around, snorkel, beach, etc. on my own 
> schedule. 
> 
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Edd
> 
> 
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY 
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[Indigo via CnC-List]

I have not been able to remove the transducer itself.  I am hoping to remove it 
and send it to DMI for repair / replacement. I was beginning to think that the 
transducer might have an integral flange instead of a thru hull but your post 
tells me otherwise - assuming we are talking about the same unit. 

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 10:19, Patrick Davin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> I removed my Datamarine speed transducer last spring. I spent probably 3 
> hours trying every non-destructive method I could think of before I had to 
> move to destructive methods.  Should have done so earlier since I didn't need 
> to save it anyway (was replacing with an Airmar / Raymarine triducer). 
> 
> Note - I'm assuming you actually have removed the transponder, and the 
> *thru-hull sleeve* is what you're trying to remove. The transponder 
> (transducer) should be relatively easy to remove from the thru-hull sleeve 
> with some wiggling or heating. 
> 
> My thruhull looked like it was bedded with something more pliable/spongy than 
> 5200, but mallets, heat, levers, and pulling were not enough to budge it. I 
> also had the plywood backing plate glued to the hull. It was not threaded / 
> tapped.
> 
> I discovered the easy way is to cut the thruhull in half, lengthwise along 
> the inner circumference, with a hacksaw blade. I just used the blade alone 
> clamped in some vice grips. By cutting the plastic thruhull in half you 
> weaken the outward pressure of the circle and enable basically peeling each 
> half away from the hull. Be careful not to cut too deep or you'll nick the 
> hull fiberglass. 
> 
> I have pictures if you need them. 
> 
> @ Steve Thomas: The Datamarine speed transducer in my experience was exactly 
> the same diameter as the Airmar transducers. Are you saying the depth trans 
> is smaller than the speed? That would be surprising, but I suppose it's 
> possible.
> 
> -Patrick
> C&C LF38
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Vacation Options -- Not C&C Related, But Sailing Related

[Marek Fluder via CnC-List]

I have a positive experience from some time back with OnDeck Ocean Racing
in Charlotte Amalie.
Couple of Farr yachts in decent shape pretending to race, guests are
assigned crew functions.
Fun few hours on the water - I got the helm for some time as no other
guests wanted to.
It felt pretty good behind the wheel pulling into the harbour right beside
our cuise ship...

Marek


On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Listers,
>
> I’m heading to the caribbean next month for a much-needed vacation on a
> cruise ship. The ship is going to St. Maarten, St. Thomas, Old San Juan
> and, for a short time, Tortola.
>
> I’m looking for recommendations on a trustworthy sailboat (or, if I have
> to, powerboat) rental options for a day at one of the destinations. The
> sailing excursions offered through the cruise line tend to be more
> motor-with-the sail-up, don’t-touch-the-lines, booze cruises — which I’m
> looking to avoid. Instead, I’d like to just go out, sail around, snorkel,
> beach, etc. on my own schedule.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[Patrick Davin via CnC-List]

I removed my Datamarine speed transducer last spring. I spent probably 3
hours trying every non-destructive method I could think of before I had to
move to destructive methods.  Should have done so earlier since I didn't
need to save it anyway (was replacing with an Airmar / Raymarine triducer).

Note - I'm assuming you actually have removed the transponder, and the
*thru-hull sleeve* is what you're trying to remove. The transponder
(transducer) should be relatively easy to remove from the thru-hull sleeve
with some wiggling or heating.

My thruhull looked like it was bedded with something more pliable/spongy
than 5200, but mallets, heat, levers, and pulling were not enough to budge
it. I also had the plywood backing plate glued to the hull. It was not
threaded / tapped.

I discovered the easy way is to cut the thruhull in half, lengthwise along
the inner circumference, with a hacksaw blade. I just used the blade alone
clamped in some vice grips. By cutting the plastic thruhull in half you
weaken the outward pressure of the circle and enable basically peeling each
half away from the hull. Be careful not to cut too deep or you'll nick the
hull fiberglass.

I have pictures if you need them.

@ Steve Thomas: The Datamarine speed transducer in my experience was
exactly the same diameter as the Airmar transducers. Are you saying the
depth trans is smaller than the speed? That would be surprising, but I
suppose it's possible.

-Patrick
C&C LF38
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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Still there and at least 2 more 12 meters ….. http://www.12metre.com/

Paul Fountain
Managing Director
SeaSource Inc.
Bookkeeping & IT Services.

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin


Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and doing 
daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a little race 
around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you work.  I was main 
sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.  Best 60 bucks I spent 
entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
Bill Walker
CnC 36

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 Syerdave--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

On the off chance - going to St Martin for a week over Xmas, staying near 
oyster pond. Anyone aware of daysailer rentals in the area? Tx! 
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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

The Americas Cup Challenge Excursion is still there. Did it a few years ago. If 
you know anything about racing and are paying attention, it’s more than a 
little disappointing. The skippers will purposely mis-steer, mis-trim and go to 
the song gate marks in order to ensure it’s a close finish. They’ve also 
modified the boats tremendously.

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 










> On Nov 25, 2015, at 8:57 AM, William Walker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and doing 
> daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a little 
> race around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you work.  I was 
> main sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.  Best 60 bucks I 
> spent entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
> Bill Walker
> CnC 36
> 
> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[William Walker via CnC-List]

Its been many years ago but Stars and Stripes and Canada were there and doing 
daysails.  At time, had two crew plus the tourists on board.  Did a little race 
around bouys.  If you had sailing experience they let you work.  I was main 
sail trimmer.  Others grinders, etc.  One beer wench.  Best 60 bucks I spent 
entire trip.  Don't know if still there.
Bill Walker
CnC 36

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On the off chance - going to St Martin for a week over Xmas, staying near 
oyster pond. Anyone aware of daysailer rentals in the area? Tx! 
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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[S Thomas via CnC-List]

The good thing about removing a stuck Datamarine depth transducer is that it 
is a smaller diameter than the transducers used with Raymarine and other 
manufacturers. If you are careful and lucky, no repair to the hull will be 
necessary.


Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON
C&C36 MKI
Merritt Island, FL

- Original Message - 
From: "Bill Bina via CnC-List" 

To: 
Cc: "Bill Bina" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 08:18
Subject: Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder


Just removed mine a few weeks ago. Actually I removed both my speed and my 
depth transducers. The speed transducer was bedded with some normal type 
of bedded and I had little trouble popping it out with some vigorous 
pounding with a 3 pound plastic deadblow hammer.


The depth transducer was apparently bedded with 3M 5200 and nothing would 
budge it even slightly. It was essentially welded in placed.


I finally gave up and used a 2 inch hole saw from outside and cut it out. 
The hole saw bottomed out before it was free, so I had to stop and hack 
out some of the transducer with a hammer and wood chisel before finishing 
up with the holesaw, which also left me with the 2 inch hole needed for 
the new transducer.


Needless to say, I bedded the new transducers with Lifeseal.

If your transducer is bedded with 5200, you will not be removing anything 
suitable for repair. Defender can sell you a replacement for around $100 
or so. I went with a retractable model so I can pull it mid season for 
cleaning.


Bill Bina

On 11/25/2015 7:56 AM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:

More on removal.
So I looked more closely at the transponder and found that it appeared to 
be held in place with a threaded "collar" - this came off easily. However 
the transponder itself won't budge.  I tried to tap the top of the 
transponder with a mallet, being careful not to damage the wire, but 
there was no noticible movement. There is a piece of plywood bonded to 
the inside of the hull which gives allows the collar to be screwed tight. 
The hole through the plywood is tight against the transponder, but I 
don't think tight enough to hold it in place against mallet taps.


Am I missing some other retainer - or it the through hull  itself 
threaded?



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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


On Nov 9, 2015, at 06:32, Indigo  wrote:

I need to remove my Datamarine transponder to send it to DMI for repair. 
Does anyone know how it is held in place in the through hull. I can't 
see any retaining pins etc - yet it has a "t" like handle which implies 
it should be removable with ease.


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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[Bill Bina via CnC-List]

Just removed mine a few weeks ago. Actually I removed both my speed and 
my depth transducers. The speed transducer was bedded with some normal 
type of bedded and I had little trouble popping it out with some 
vigorous pounding with a 3 pound plastic deadblow hammer.


The depth transducer was apparently bedded with 3M 5200 and nothing 
would budge it even slightly. It was essentially welded in placed.


I finally gave up and used a 2 inch hole saw from outside and cut it 
out. The hole saw bottomed out before it was free, so I had to stop and 
hack out some of the transducer with a hammer and wood chisel before 
finishing up with the holesaw, which also left me with the 2 inch hole 
needed for the new transducer.


Needless to say, I bedded the new transducers with Lifeseal.

If your transducer is bedded with 5200, you will not be removing 
anything suitable for repair. Defender can sell you a replacement for 
around $100 or so. I went with a retractable model so I can pull it mid 
season for cleaning.


Bill Bina

On 11/25/2015 7:56 AM, Indigo via CnC-List wrote:

More on removal.
So I looked more closely at the transponder and found that it appeared to be held in 
place with a threaded "collar" - this came off easily. However the transponder 
itself won't budge.  I tried to tap the top of the transponder with a mallet, being 
careful not to damage the wire, but there was no noticible movement. There is a piece of 
plywood bonded to the inside of the hull which gives allows the collar to be screwed 
tight. The hole through the plywood is tight against the transponder, but I don't think 
tight enough to hold it in place against mallet taps.

Am I missing some other retainer - or it the through hull  itself threaded?


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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


On Nov 9, 2015, at 06:32, Indigo  wrote:

I need to remove my Datamarine transponder to send it to DMI for repair.  Does anyone 
know how it is held in place in the through hull. I can't see any retaining pins etc - 
yet it has a "t" like handle which implies it should be removable with ease.

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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT


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Re: Stus-List Removal of Datamarine depth transponder

[Indigo via CnC-List]

More on removal. 
So I looked more closely at the transponder and found that it appeared to be 
held in place with a threaded "collar" - this came off easily. However the 
transponder itself won't budge.  I tried to tap the top of the transponder with 
a mallet, being careful not to damage the wire, but there was no noticible 
movement. There is a piece of plywood bonded to the inside of the hull which 
gives allows the collar to be screwed tight. The hole through the plywood is 
tight against the transponder, but I don't think tight enough to hold it in 
place against mallet taps. 

Am I missing some other retainer - or it the through hull  itself threaded?


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Indigo C&C 35III
SOUTHPORT CT

> On Nov 9, 2015, at 06:32, Indigo  wrote:
> 
> I need to remove my Datamarine transponder to send it to DMI for repair.  
> Does anyone know how it is held in place in the through hull. I can't see any 
> retaining pins etc - yet it has a "t" like handle which implies it should be 
> removable with ease. 
> 
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> Jonathan
> Indigo C&C 35III
> SOUTHPORT CT

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Stus-List Vacation II St Martin

[Syerdave--- via CnC-List]

On the off chance - going to St Martin for a week over Xmas, staying near 
oyster pond.  Anyone aware of daysailer rentals in the area?  Tx!




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Re: Stus-List Epoxy fillers and other stuff...

[Dave via CnC-List]

Yup, bog, same stuff, and I think it's the more common slang.  By dad and his 
buddies called it that at the Ontario boatbuilders coop back in the 80s, cow 
flap is how Bristol marine described it to me recently.   Blobs attaching the 
liner to the hull in my 33ii meet that description. 
  I recently removed all of this stuff from my 33ii keel stub and it was damp 
throughout and cracked.  Still intact/strong enough though.  No hyd back stay.  
When looking to purchase this boat I saw many with hydraulic back stays that 
had buckled/rippled  top sides near the chain plates. (Or equivalent). 
Sometimes subtle, sometimes not.  Never once have I seen this noted on a survey.

Dave



> ... Talc - cheap-ass filler used in bondo and 'cow flap' polyester used in 
> our c&cs.

Is "cow flap" polyester the same orange, hard filler used by Bruckmann's in the 
early 70's?  I have heard it called "bog".

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