Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I checked the owners manual and it repeatedly states that only 1 battery
per channel shall be connected.  I am just guessing but it might be part of
the over current/battery safety algorithm.  More than one battery in a bank
and now the max current draw goes up, the time till full charge goes down
and the bank resistance should also drop considerably.  The unit will
probably detect the "abnormal" conditions and then shutdown and display a
battery fault.

Josh
On Feb 28, 2016 6:18 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Thanks. What is the problem with the pro sport charging 2 batteries on a
> single bank? I always try to keep identical batteries of the same age on
> the house bank. I know there is a phenomenon where 2 batteries on the same
> bank will only charge until the first battery is fully charged, but usually
> keeping the batteries of the same age and model will minimize this.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:36 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> As you are looking at batteries keep in mind the ProSport chargers will
> only work with Group 24, 27, 30 and 31 batteries. And if you start looking
> at AGM batteries,while the standard AGM and flooded battery charging
> profiles are the same, ‘premium’ AGMs can’t be mixed with ‘standard’ AGMs
> or flooded. Charging profiles can’t vary between banks with the Pro-Sport.
>
> Another oddity  if you have a 2-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 2
> batteries total (1 house, 1 start). If you have a 3-bank Pro-Sport then
> max. of 3 batteries (2 house, 1 start). In other words, each battery must
> be connected by a leg of the charger.
>
> Finally if you have a battery combiner, disable it when you are on
> shorepower (many, such as the Blue Sea, can be turned off via a switch or
> relay mounted in the ground wire ... but many can’t be disabled!).
> Disabling the combiner is a best practice due to the distributed charging
> scheme programmed into the Pro-Sport.
>
> Peter Fell
> Sidney, BC
> Cygnet
> C 27 MkIII
>
>
> *From:* Doug Welch via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:18 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* doug.we...@rogers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement
>
> ok thanks all. another question. is it possible to start the 20GMF with a
> handle?  I think i will get the surettes load tested and decide whether or
> not to replace after that and replace the starter battery with a group 24
> (if it fits). We are also hoping to do more cruising and spending time on
> the hook, so we are looking at get set up with solar as well.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:41 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>
> We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 )
> Rolls house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was
> thinking they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last
> year seems to have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls
> starting battery after 11 years.
> Ed
> 1982 LF38
> On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
> Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries
> of indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian
> Tire 22NF starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery
> box).
>
> My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and
> upgrade the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery
> boxes (I have seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on
> exposed 12v battery terminals can go very bad).
>
> The charger is a relatively new looking Professional Mariner ProSport 20
> Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks are monitored by a cruising
> equipment company e-meter.
>
> My questions are
> 1. Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room?
> 2. Someone told me the Surette are very good batteries with longer than
> average life and I shouldn't be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ?
> Thoughts?
> 3. Anything else from your experience I should be thinking about?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
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Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

I got a 50 watt solar panel and a charge controller for under $200 total that 
do a fine job of keeping my batteries up while on a mooring.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 4:19 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight

 

Buy 2 extra batteries, take them home, charge them, swap them out.  Repeat.  
Half the price of the generator.

Dennis C.

On Feb 27, 2016 10:08 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Well,  I'm mostly interested in a way of keeping batteries typed up.   I'll be 
keeping the boat on a mooring.   Ideally I'd install a properly designed solar 
charging system but I'm trying to kick that can down the road. 

 

Danny

 

 

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 

From: Ken Heaton via CnC-List  > 

Date: 2/27/2016 11:22 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: cnc-list  > 

Cc: Ken Heaton  > 

Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight 

 

As Josh stated, it is not the same as a marinized, built in diesel genset.  But 
it is only $400.00

 

It really depends on what you want to do with it.

 

Run your AC?  I don't think so.  Charge your batteries through your onboard 
battery charger as you are away from shore power?  Yes, it will do that.  Run a 
few power tools while you are doing some work on the boat at a mooring or at 
anchor?  Yes, it will do that too.

 

Honda was the first to make these small inverter generators and theirs are 
reasonably quiet, though you probably won't make any friends running this in a 
silent anchorage at night.  If you have to sit i on deck you will find it 
noisier below that above as the deck is like a soundboard.  If you can leave it 
on the dock while it is running you will likely find it to be quiet.

 

This one does seem to output 12 DC, 8 amps, directly.  Look at the photos on 
the website.

 

What did you want to do with it / use it for?

 

Ken H.

 

On 27 February 2016 at 12:07, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  > wrote:

I have a similar one.  They work.  They are also loud and use gasoline instead 
of diesel.  It's a pull start only.  They don't offer a 12v output.  They are 
not marinized, flame arrested or corrosion proof/resistant to the level needed 
for long term marine use.  They are also air cooled and exhaust to the air 
which means absolutely no inside use unlike a properly installed marine 
generator.  2200 running watts is likely to be 10amps @ 220v or 20 amps at 
110v.  Not likely to be on par with your shore power.  You may struggle if 
running HVAC. 

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Feb 27, 2016 10:34 AM, "Danny Haughey via CnC-List"  > wrote:

Hi guys, 

Just saw an ad in my email this generator

 

 


2500 Peak/2200 Running Watts, 4.7 HP (125cc) Portable Inverter Generator EPA III


 

Is on sale for $399 with coupon code. 

 

Anyone have any thoughts on it? 

 

Danny

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 

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Stus-List Bearing found? Seaware in UK Thank you Michael!

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

I think you found it!

Message: 7
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 17:18:24 -0500
From: Michael Brown 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Oddball bearing again.
Message-ID: <702986474-9...@mail.tkg.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

The corresponding sizes from Morse are called "Chogset" and "Chub",
neither having a 1 5/8 OD. Sames a Johnson they jump from 1 1/2 to 1 3/4.

http://www.morserubber.com/StandardBrassSleeve.pdf

Maybe here:

https://www.seaware.co.uk/shaft-cutlass-bearing-brass-metric-9275.html

P/N CR005/1

It may be worthwhile phoning Morse and Johnson, They may have a competitive
price turning down the larger size.

Michael Brown
Windburn
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Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I’m not exactly sure what the specific issue is ... just that is the connection 
requirements specified in the manual.

From: doug.we...@rogers.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:17 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Peter Fell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

Thanks. What is the problem with the pro sport charging 2 batteries on a single 
bank? I always try to keep identical batteries of the same age on the house 
bank. I know there is a phenomenon where 2 batteries on the same bank will only 
charge until the first battery is fully charged, but usually keeping the 
batteries of the same age and model will minimize this. 



On Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:36 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
 wrote:




As you are looking at batteries keep in mind the ProSport chargers will only 
work with Group 24, 27, 30 and 31 batteries. And if you start looking at AGM 
batteries,while the standard AGM and flooded battery charging profiles are the 
same, ‘premium’ AGMs can’t be mixed with ‘standard’ AGMs or flooded. Charging 
profiles can’t vary between banks with the Pro-Sport.

Another oddity  if you have a 2-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 2 batteries 
total (1 house, 1 start). If you have a 3-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 3 
batteries (2 house, 1 start). In other words, each battery must be connected by 
a leg of the charger.

Finally if you have a battery combiner, disable it when you are on shorepower 
(many, such as the Blue Sea, can be turned off via a switch or relay mounted in 
the ground wire ... but many can’t be disabled!). Disabling the combiner is a 
best practice due to the distributed charging scheme programmed into the 
Pro-Sport.

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C 27 MkIII


From: Doug Welch via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

ok thanks all. another question. is it possible to start the 20GMF with a 
handle?  I think i will get the surettes load tested and decide whether or not 
to replace after that and replace the starter battery with a group 24 (if it 
fits). We are also hoping to do more cruising and spending time on the hook, so 
we are looking at get set up with solar as well. 



On Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:41 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
 wrote:




We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 ) Rolls 
house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was thinking 
they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last year seems to 
have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls starting battery after 
11 years. 
Ed
1982 LF38
On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries of 
indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian Tire 22NF 
starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery box). 

  My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and upgrade 
the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery boxes (I have 
seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on exposed 12v battery 
terminals can go very bad).

  The charger is a relatively new looking Professional Mariner ProSport 20 
Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks are monitored by a cruising 
equipment company e-meter.

  My questions are 
  1. Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room?
  2. Someone told me the Surette are very good batteries with longer than 
average life and I shouldn't be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ? 
Thoughts?
  3. Anything else from your experience I should be thinking about?

  Cheers,
  Doug 

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Stus-List Bearings

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

Came across this today:
http://www.lignum-vitae-bearings.com/industries/marine/

I don't recall if the submarine I was on had this. I will have to check.

Speaking of bearings, mine is out.
Wound up cutting it out. I was able to extract it about 3/4 inch with my
jury rigs. But the going was slow. Once I got a measurement, I sawed it out.

Here is a link to my blog on FB with some pics.
https://m.facebook.com/The-Next-14-Years-1011224262273851/

La Neige
C 37/40 XL
Havre de Grace MD
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Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

Thanks. What is the problem with the pro sport charging 2 batteries on a single 
bank? I always try to keep identical batteries of the same age on the house 
bank. I know there is a phenomenon where 2 batteries on the same bank will only 
charge until the first battery is fully charged, but usually keeping the 
batteries of the same age and model will minimize this.  

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 3:36 PM, Peter Fell via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 As you are looking at batteries keep in mind the ProSport chargers will only 
work with Group 24, 27, 30 and 31 batteries. And if you start looking at AGM 
batteries,while the standard AGM and flooded battery charging profiles are the 
same, ‘premium’ AGMs can’t be mixed with ‘standard’ AGMs or flooded. Charging 
profiles can’t vary between banks with the Pro-Sport. Another oddity  if 
you have a 2-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 2 batteries total (1 house, 1 start). 
If you have a 3-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 3 batteries (2 house, 1 start). In 
other words, each battery must be connected by a leg of the charger. Finally if 
you have a battery combiner, disable it when you are on shorepower (many, such 
as the Blue Sea, can be turned off via a switch or relay mounted in the ground 
wire ... but many can’t be disabled!). Disabling the combiner is a best 
practice due to the distributed charging scheme programmed into the Pro-Sport. 
Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C 27 MkIII  From: Doug Welch via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 
10:18 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement ok thanks all. another 
question. is it possible to start the 20GMF with a handle?  I think i will get 
the surettes load tested and decide whether or not to replace after that and 
replace the starter battery with a group 24 (if it fits). We are also hoping to 
do more cruising and spending time on the hook, so we are looking at get set up 
with solar as well. 

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:41 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
 wrote:


We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 ) Rolls 
house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was thinking 
they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last year seems to 
have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls starting battery after 
11 years. Ed
1982 LF38On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries 
of indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian Tire 
22NF starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery box).    
My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and upgrade 
the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery boxes (I have 
seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on exposed 12v battery 
terminals can go very bad).   The charger is a relatively new looking 
Professional Mariner ProSport 20 Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks 
are monitored by a cruising equipment company e-meter.   My questions are  1. 
Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room? 2. Someone told me the 
Surette are very good batteries with longer than average life and I shouldn't 
be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ? Thoughts? 3. Anything else from 
your experience I should be thinking about?   Cheers, Doug 
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Re: Stus-List portable generator on sale at harbor freight

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I missed the weight, big difference between this one and the comparable
Honda.

Honda EU2000i = DRY WEIGHT 20.7 KG (45.6 LB)

Harbor Freight Predator = Product Weight 29 kg / 63.93 lbs

Almost 20 lbs. (40%) heavier for roughly the same generator.

Ouch. (that's my back saying that)

Ken H.

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> I looked at it yesterday at my local Harbor Freight and decided not to
> purchase. One of the big factors for me was the weight, just under 70 lbs.
> That is too much for me to put in a locker and get out. The price is right
> considering the comparable Honda is $999.00.
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Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

As you are looking at batteries keep in mind the ProSport chargers will only 
work with Group 24, 27, 30 and 31 batteries. And if you start looking at AGM 
batteries,while the standard AGM and flooded battery charging profiles are the 
same, ‘premium’ AGMs can’t be mixed with ‘standard’ AGMs or flooded. Charging 
profiles can’t vary between banks with the Pro-Sport.

Another oddity  if you have a 2-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 2 batteries 
total (1 house, 1 start). If you have a 3-bank Pro-Sport then max. of 3 
batteries (2 house, 1 start). In other words, each battery must be connected by 
a leg of the charger.

Finally if you have a battery combiner, disable it when you are on shorepower 
(many, such as the Blue Sea, can be turned off via a switch or relay mounted in 
the ground wire ... but many can’t be disabled!). Disabling the combiner is a 
best practice due to the distributed charging scheme programmed into the 
Pro-Sport.

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
Cygnet
C 27 MkIII


From: Doug Welch via CnC-List 
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 10:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: doug.we...@rogers.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

ok thanks all. another question. is it possible to start the 20GMF with a 
handle?  I think i will get the surettes load tested and decide whether or not 
to replace after that and replace the starter battery with a group 24 (if it 
fits). We are also hoping to do more cruising and spending time on the hook, so 
we are looking at get set up with solar as well. 



On Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:41 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
 wrote:




We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 ) Rolls 
house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was thinking 
they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last year seems to 
have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls starting battery after 
11 years. 
Ed
1982 LF38
On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List"  
wrote:

  Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries of 
indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian Tire 22NF 
starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery box). 

  My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and upgrade 
the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery boxes (I have 
seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on exposed 12v battery 
terminals can go very bad).

  The charger is a relatively new looking Professional Mariner ProSport 20 
Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks are monitored by a cruising 
equipment company e-meter.

  My questions are 
  1. Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room?
  2. Someone told me the Surette are very good batteries with longer than 
average life and I shouldn't be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ? 
Thoughts?
  3. Anything else from your experience I should be thinking about?

  Cheers,
  Doug 

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Stus-List portable generator on sale at harbor freight

[TOM VINCENT via CnC-List]

I looked at it yesterday at my local Harbor Freight and decided not to 
purchase. One of the big factors for me was the weight, just under 70 lbs. That 
is too much for me to put in a locker and get out. The price is right 
considering the comparable Honda is $999.00.

Tom



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Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[Doug Welch via CnC-List]

ok thanks all. another question. is it possible to start the 20GMF with a 
handle?  I think i will get the surettes load tested and decide whether or not 
to replace after that and replace the starter battery with a group 24 (if it 
fits). We are also hoping to do more cruising and spending time on the hook, so 
we are looking at get set up with solar as well.  

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 9:41 AM, ed vanderkruk via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 

 We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 ) Rolls 
house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was thinking 
they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last year seems to 
have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls starting battery after 
11 years. Ed
1982 LF38On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
 wrote:

Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries of 
indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian Tire 22NF 
starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery box). 
My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and upgrade 
the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery boxes (I have 
seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on exposed 12v battery 
terminals can go very bad).
The charger is a relatively new looking Professional Mariner ProSport 20 
Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks are monitored by a cruising 
equipment company e-meter.
My questions are 1. Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room?2. Someone 
told me the Surette are very good batteries with longer than average life and I 
shouldn't be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ? Thoughts?3. Anything else 
from your experience I should be thinking about?
Cheers,Doug 
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Stus-List Oddball bearing again.

[Brian Fry via CnC-List]

>From a previous post:
"I see these two Johnson bearings:

870322100  * BIND  ID: 1  1/4   OD: 1  1/2 Wall
thickness: 1/16
870322101   BIRD   ID: 1  1/4   OD: 1  3/4 Wall thickness: 1/8"

These are the same sizes in the Defender catalog, but made by Morse.

I guess my next step is to order a 1 1/4 × 1 3/4 and get it turned down to
1 5/8
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Re: Stus-List Soliciting Advice on 33-2 Battery Complement

[ed vanderkruk via CnC-List]

We have two T12 136ah  ( slightly larger and heavier than a group 27 )
Rolls house batteries which are now in their 12th year of service.  I was
thinking they were near their end of life but a battery equalization last
year seems to have given them a new lease on life. We replaced a Rolls
starting battery after 11 years.

Ed
1982 LF38
On Feb 27, 2016 1:20 PM, "Doug Welch via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Our new (to us) 33-2 has a couple of Surette Group 27 Deep Cycle Batteries
> of indeterminate age in plastic battery boxes with no lid and a Canadian
> Tire 22NF starting Battery (In what looks like a home made wooden battery
> box).
>
> My first instinct is to replace the deep cycles with Interstates and
> upgrade the 22NF to a Group 25 Marine Starter Battery in proper battery
> boxes (I have seen first hand how quickly a dropped wrench landing on
> exposed 12v battery terminals can go very bad).
>
> The charger is a relatively new looking Professional Mariner ProSport 20
> Heavy-Duty Marine Battery Charger. Both banks are monitored by a cruising
> equipment company e-meter.
>
> My questions are
> 1. Does anyone have 2 G27s and a G25? Is there room?
> 2. Someone told me the Surette are very good batteries with longer than
> average life and I shouldn't be in a hurry to replace them. Experience ?
> Thoughts?
> 3. Anything else from your experience I should be thinking about?
>
> Cheers,
> Doug
>
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Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

A good quality lead/acid battery  will self-discharge at the rate of 3 to 5 
percent a month. So if you start with a fully charged start battery and have no 
load on it – like your bilge pump – you should be able to leave the boat for 5 
or 6 months and still be confident about being able to start the engine.

 

Batteries do last longer if stored fully charged. Sulfation is a large part of 
the problem when batteries are at a low state of charge for an extended period. 
But it really doesn’t look like you are talking about an extended period. And 
as long as you can start the engine, you can always recharge a depleted house 
bank as needed.

 

My electrical consumption, when on the boat, is pretty similar to yours; 
fridge, lights, radio, instruments when sailing, and recharge phones and 
tablet. All powered exclusively from the house bank. I figure my average 
consumption is about 75-80 AH per day. My 4 group 27 deep cycle batteries will 
give me at least 2 and usually 3 days of service without starting the engine to 
recharge. I would imagine your house bank would be adequate for a couple of 
days at anchor. And a couple of weeks – at least - of powering the bilge pump 
unless you have an unusually wet boat.

 

Before I leave to go full time cruising, I do plan to install the wind 
generator I already have but have never installed, and to add a charge 
controller and maybe 300 watts of solar panels. But that will be to allow 
extended living on the hook while I travel – which is a whole other situation 
that week long coastal cruising.

 

I actually have a third bank on Imzadi: a group 24 deep cycle under the v berth 
that supplies power to the windlass and the Lectra-san. Current draw in high, 
but only for very short periods.  The house and start banks are charged from 
either the engine or shore power, but the group 24 is not wired in. I have a 
little 35 watt solar panel bought at WalMart that I use sporadically as a 
trickle charger for the group 24 battery. I just replaced the group 24 after 6 
years. 

 

Maybe all you really need – and mostly for your own comfort and confidence – is 
a small solar panel you can use to trickle charge the start battery.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 10:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight

 

Rick, 

 

She has a house bank of 3 group 27s and a starting battery. 

 

Maybe I should just get a solar panel now.  I had a small one I would hook up 
when leaving the boat on lolita.  

 

I also understand keeping your batteries topped up prolongs their life. 

 

We usually use the boat every weekend and do weekends on her here and there and 
then, we plan on doing maybe 2 one week cruises around the islands here.  We do 
have a refer and use lights,  charging tablets and phones.  Just your regular 
convenience type usage. 

 

Danny

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List solar power (was: portable generator on sale at harbor freight)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Danny,

 

If I were you I would certainly install solar. With your use you don’t need 
huge solar panel to top up your batteries.

 

You should be ok with as little as 25-30 W of power (which would give you 
around 1 -1.5 A charging in normal circumstances).

 

The rollable solar panels don’t require any special installation; you can put 
them over your bimini the doger or even over the coachhouse. The cost would be 
around $300 plus another $150 for a decent charge controller. Btw. if you go 
this route, don’t skimp on the charge controller - it will make substantial 
difference.

 

We don’t have shore power in our Club and when I got this boat over 3 years a 
go I installed the solar system. I have only 2 batteries there, but my 21 W 
panel and a Morningstar controller keep the batteries in perfect shape. The 
total cost of the system was under $500.

 

Or you can buy a rigid panel (they are more efficient and usually cheaper) and 
mount it permanently. But this requires some extra project work.

 

The problem with our use (yours as much as mine) is that in the half hour or so 
we use the motor the batteries could never be topped up properly. It would take 
hours of running the motor to charge them to a real 100% SoC. The best what we 
could count on is about 80% (bulk charge); in order to bring them up higher you 
need a long period of low charge. The solar is perfect for that.

 

If your batteries are standard flooded cells, not keeping them up to 100% is 
less harmful than with any gel cells or AGMs. But still batteries last longer 
if you keep them well charged most of the time.

 

Btw. a generator would not help you that much. You would need to run it for 
hours in order to keep the batteries fully charged.

 

Marek

1994 C270, “Legato”

Ottawa, ON

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Danny 
Haughey via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2016 22:23
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Danny Haughey 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-list: portable generator on sale at harbor freight

 

Rick, 

 

She has a house bank of 3 group 27s and a starting battery. 

 

Maybe I should just get a solar panel now.  I had a small one I would hook up 
when leaving the boat on lolita.  

 

I also understand keeping your batteries topped up prolongs their life. 

 

We usually use the boat every weekend and do weekends on her here and there and 
then, we plan on doing maybe 2 one week cruises around the islands here.  We do 
have a refer and use lights,  charging tablets and phones.  Just your regular 
convenience type usage. 

 

Danny

 

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Re: Stus-List Macgyver2

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

The list of available sizes is on this site: http://www.morserubber.com/
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On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 6:07 PM -0800, "Brian Fry via CnC-List" 
> wrote:


If you have a link it would be greatly appreciated, for I cannot find the right 
size.

From: Joel Aronson >
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>
Subject: Re: Stus-List Macgyver 2
Message-ID:


Brian
Defender has the size you need.
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